i see a lot that there is a minimum of 3 players to make a division. where i'm at we hardly have pro grandmasters (or advanced women and above) for c-tiers.

aside from the minimum 3 per card, is there a rule on the actual minimum per division? i currently have 2 pro grandmasters signed up and DO NOT WANT to force them to move to another division beause there isn't 3. i know i still have time to find another player for that division, but want to know...

if i only have 2 players registered in a division, CAN they still compete in their own division?

TD call. The rule says that if at least three players want to enter a division, the TD has to host it unless prior notice that that division wouldn't be available had been announced. But TDs are allowed to host 1 or 2 player divisions if they wish.

i see a lot that there is a minimum of 3 players to make a division. where i'm at we hardly have pro grandmasters (or advanced women and above) for c-tiers.

aside from the minimum 3 per card, is there a rule on the actual minimum per division? i currently have 2 pro grandmasters signed up and DO NOT WANT to force them to move to another division beause there isn't 3. i know i still have time to find another player for that division, but want to know...

if i only have 2 players registered in a division, CAN they still compete in their own division?
One player divisions are allowed. It's the TD's call on whether to hold such divisions. I generally leave it up to the players, especially in the age-protected divisions. I ask if they'd prefer to be a two-man Grandmasters division or they'd rather move to Masters to have more competition, always with the assurance that it didn't matter to me which one they decided. I wouldn't never force any player out of a division they signed up for. The way I look at it is that by offering the division to start with, I've committed to running it regardless of how many sign up for it.

i see a lot that there is a minimum of 3 players to make a division. where i'm at we hardly have pro grandmasters (or advanced women and above) for c-tiers.

aside from the minimum 3 per card, is there a rule on the actual minimum per division? i currently have 2 pro grandmasters signed up and DO NOT WANT to force them to move to another division beause there isn't 3. i know i still have time to find another player for that division, but want to know...

if i only have 2 players registered in a division, CAN they still compete in their own division?

Jason,

What we have done in the past is have the division IF the players want to. If they want to move to another division, wherever their rating allows, then great.

If they want to stay in that division, then we have let them play with one of the cards of the division above them, in this case the Pro Masters. This way, an official does not have to walk with them to make the 3rd. We had a case last year in another tourney that I played in that the AM Grandmasters only had 2. They stayed in their division to compete against themselves, but elected to play the first and second round on the AM Masters cards. Their only request was that they play together on the same card for the final round. We granted this request and placed them on the last card for the last round with 2 AM Masters. The first 2 rounds they did not play on the same card, 1st round by chance of the draw for cards and 2nd round because of scores. There was 11 AM Masters adn the 2 AM Grandmasters. We had cards of 3,3,3,4. It worked well and was a TD choice.

Good Luck

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But TDs are allowed to host 1 or 2 player divisions if they wish.
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... yes , indeedy ... thanks Chuck ...

Paul Taylor - This way, an official does not have to walk with them to make the 3rd.
An official would practically not be required to go along with a 2-person division when they are the only ones in the group. It's only when you have maybe a 6-player division. You can't have 4 play in one group and the other 2 play by themselves with no other player from another division or an official in their group. Although that was allowed at the 1999 Worlds (and I'm sure since then) if it worked out where the bottom 2 players were so far from cashing that they let them play as a 2-some without an official coming with them.

Thanks Chuck, I didn't know that. I learn something new everyday.

Paul, you are correct about Competition Rule 1.6C saying an official is required if less than three in a group, and it's still a good idea. But the practical implementation of the rule has allowed the examples I posted above without repercussions from PDGA HQ. An extra official isn't always available to join a twosome division preferred/needed by the TD.

Why have a ompetition manual if it doesn't need to be followed?

Do you have a list of other items in the competitional manual that can be ignored?

Sorry, Pete but I just pass along what I've seen or heard were acceptable exceptions, some which got a waiver in advance, because the PDGA hasn't produced published Q&As for all of them. Note that following the Competition Manual is still recommended and totally acceptable.

I had suggested to Gentry and Chappy several years ago that a compilation be made of the interesting challenges and rulings that have been made by marshals at major events especially Worlds over the years. Several were seen to be the best/fair ruling even if it didn't follow the exact letter of the rules.

That was more of a rhetorical question.

There is no good answer.

In my experience, I've only seen the "two on a card" deal when it was senior grands or grandmaster women who were the only ones in their divisionand they were known mellow people who wouldn't be expected to have any kind of rules dispute on the course.

You wouldn't want to send out two hypercompetitve MPO/FPO/MPM/MA1s, or two MA2/MA3s where one might be trying to know the rules and one didn't care.

I've never seen a TD designate a group of 2---only seen it where someone doesn't show up on a card, and players decide to continue as a twosome. Around here, divisions of 1 or 2 are combined on a card with players from another division.

If the rest of the field are in threesomes or foursomes, who'd want to play in a twosome, anyway? The delays would be unbearable.

Dear disc golfers,

I know there are rules and guidelines in place but that certainly doesn't mean I have to follow them. Ignoring a few of them won't hurt anything, after all my intentions are good. What could possibly go wrong if I just do my own thing when I want too. The rules and guidelines are more of suggestions. What we did was take the rules and guidelines and apply them how we thought we best and more fair.

Sincerely,

Sean Payton

PS I have more time now to play more disc golf

(I'm just saying)

That was more of a rhetorical question.

There is no good answer.

Chuck doesn't do rhetorical.