I love to throw the "tommy gun". Just curious what the best disc out there is for the "hawk"

I use a Talon. Thinking a flick would be a bad ***** disc too. Seams like the thinner the profile the better.

I use a Flick and a Spirit.

Pick a disc that will result in a clean, repeatable release. I know folks who have used the same disc for years...one imparticular uses a DX Banshee and he's quite deadly with it...same disc for 5+ years! It looks like it's shot to KaKa, until he then parks the next hole with it!!

I don't have a real far range with the tomahawk, but it's usually pretty accurate when I throw my firebird

Epic

i can get 250' at best, whether its a beat up XS, a Z Flash or a Talon :confused: it seems like those discs should yield different results, because backhand they sure fly different! i'm weenie arm with a tomahawk, and dont know why. after a few weeks of 250' regularly, i'll go thru 2 months of lucky to get 175' ! i really dont know why, and most of the tommie throwers aroud here cannot tell me what to do technique-wise - but they can throw 300', even 350', on demand.

Beat CE Firebird F

I have a pretty wimpy tommie but I have almost made it respectable with a 150 Z Talon.

Illusions and Spirits

I use a beat Z -XS

A 170 CE Firebird FL or max weight Pro Line Monster will usually do the trick.

I like to use a candy plastic Firebird. To me it seems that overstable discs tend to get more distance during flipping over part of the flight than understable discs do.

A 170 CE Firebird FL or max weight Pro Line Monster will usually do the trick.



I agree with Pro Line Monster is the best trick tomahawk disc! :D

DX Banshee
S Speed Demon
Aerobie Epic

The banshee is great because it sits so well in my hand.
The Speed Demon is awesome but I broke mine on a high tommohawk into a road.
The Epic...well that's all it's good for.

How about a champion firebird lets try and keep those CE looking nice.

I was trying out my DX firebird this weekend for Tomahawks and it worked much better than other discs I've used in the past. Definitley my new TH disc.

The trouble with the DX and overheads is that the impact with the ground on every shot will change the flight characteristics too quickly and the disc will need to be replaced soon.

Eagles are great thumber discs if you are looking to throw Innova. Im thumbing Tsunamis right now but im going to try light weight Flicks and Z Xtras here in the near future. I like to have a seperate disc just for thumbers and tommys because it beats the crap out of the plastic.

Eagles are great thumber discs if you are looking to throw Innova. Im thumbing Tsunamis right now but im going to try light weight Flicks and Z Xtras here in the near future. I like to have a seperate disc just for thumbers and tommys because it beats the crap out of the plastic.



I too use a seperate disc. I use UDs to break discs in so I see first hand what UDs can do to a disc.

I swear by my CE Teebird at 167g, those who have seen me throw thumbers know why... :-)

soft magnets

Intersting, I hadn't thought about the wear and tear on the plastic from doing overhand shots. I'll definitely keep that in mind.

I have found that speed is only beneficial to a point in regards to a tommy/thumber. You want a fast enough disc so that it can get through its rotation without too much side to side action, but after a certain speed the disc rotates too fast severely limiting distance potential. For example the Z Flick, Speed Demon, and Spirit are all too fast to be max distance overhand discs. They are predictable, but do not go nearly as far as the discs one tier lower on the speed scale, such as the Firebird, Banshee, Xtra, etc. These discs seem to go through their action at just the right speed to get the maximum distance out of their flights. As for the best, I still have the fondest memories of my long lost CE Firebird...The Champion Banshees are next best, but I really want to test the newer generation Champion Firebirds. I did not like the Pro Line candy Firebirds or the early Champion runs, but if they have changed as much as the TeeBirds seem to have in the same time period, they might be worth another try.

Banshee.

I have found that the newer Champion Firebirds do not work as well as a CE one. They dont seem to be as fast or cut through the air the same. The CE Firebirds seem to be more dependable than a Champion one.

I have found that the newer Champion Firebirds do not work as well as a CE one. They dont seem to be as fast or cut through the air the same. The CE Firebirds seem to be more dependable than a Champion one.



So true...but I just got a fairly new run Champion Firebird (175g, blue, with sort of a "zipper" top) and it is much better than the previous ones I've thrown (Proline candy, older opaque and clear Champions). It actually is one of the more unique flying thumber discs I've toyed with. When I throw most fast, overstable discs I put them up high and to the left of the target. The disc travels to that point in a fairly straight path where it joints rather ubruptly to the right. My new Chapion Firebird has more of a sweeping line, never really jointing upon descention, but rather drifting gradually right throughout what is a relatively straight flight. I've gotten decent distance so far, but I need to work with it some more.

Champion Firebirds, most consistent flying thumber disc, bar none.

I will definately take your word for it.

ROCs, the disc that is turning the whole time. Doesn't go very far, but looks real pretty getting there. :cool:

you are all crazy...starfire,starfire,starfire!!!!!

you are all crazy...starfire,starfire,starfire!!!!!



Yeah, the Starfire is a cool thumber disc, probably the straightest flying one I've thrown....but still not as dependable and predictable as a more overstable disc. I love the grip of the Firbird and Banshee and I have a hard time really feeling consistent with anything with a larger rim.

Z flick

i do all of my overhand shots with an e spirit.

I have been tomahawking a 10 Time Banshee for about 10 years. I get it 280 to 320 ft consistently but shorter distances cause less accuracy. I still use it if needed for short distances. Problems include: Have tried other discs and the 172-175 KC 10 Time Banshees are the only disc I enjoy (just popped a fresh one in the bag last week) and 2...the KC 10 time plastic does not take that kind of abuse well and my stash is getting thin. It is a must have shot for getting over obstacles and buys me strokes in nearly every tournament I play.
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11x KC Banshee / Champion Banshee / CFR Glow Champion

I do like the 10x's as well, but the plastic wont take the damage an 11x will take.

Either way, its all about the Banshee. Best overhead shot maker on the market.

I am very surprised a banshee is considered the best tomahawk disc, as not one overhand thrower Ive seen here in St Louis uses one. I guess it could be accurate but for Distance there are several that I know will go farther.

There are a dozen or more young baseball players here in STL that can easily throw overhands over 350 and these kids dont play competitive disc golf, most use, Spirits, Rages, blurrs, , flicks, predators, firebirds or Max's.
I doubt these kids have even heard of a banshee, is the disc still available?

I just lost my beat to shnit Z wildcat that was so frickin accurate...not my longest thumber but deadly for dead on money shots. Oh well-time to re-read the thread...

i use spirits and blurrs. i really just throw thumbers though. the blurrs are shorter and really accurate, the spirits are really long and still pretty accurate. if you have a HUGE arm, try one of the really flat spirits. they will fly for a really long ways without flipping and then they flip slowly so you can get some pretty insane distance.

I am very surprised a banshee is considered the best tomahawk disc, as not one overhand thrower Ive seen here in St Louis uses one. I guess it could be accurate but for Distance there are several that I know will go farther.

There are a dozen or more young baseball players here in STL that can easily throw overhands over 350 and these kids dont play competitive disc golf, most use, Spirits, Rages, blurrs, , flicks, predators, firebirds or Max's.
I doubt these kids have even heard of a banshee, is the disc still available?




Ive thrown about everything. Banshees go just as far and with the smaller rim make an easier grip.

i use spirits and blurrs. i really just throw thumbers though. the blurrs are shorter and really accurate, the spirits are really long and still pretty accurate. if you have a HUGE arm, try one of the really flat spirits. they will fly for a really long ways without flipping and then they flip slowly so you can get some pretty insane distance.




Alot of people around here use Spirits. I didnt get the same feeling for them I did the Banshee. Some also use Speed Demons. Mike Robinson throws Blazes and I think Sabres for the shorter ones.

I have tried various disc (Spirit, Talon, Flick, TBird, Wildcat, etc...) but keep coming back to the 11x KC Banshee. I have stashed a few away and always keep one in the bag for tommies and certain forehand situations. It really is a great underated disc for different shots. It also makes a nice forehand roller. FireBirds would be my next option & a whippet has its place for overhand shots. Other discs may go further but I have found nothing close to the Banshees consistency.

Yeah, the Starfire is a cool thumber disc, probably the straightest flying one I've thrown....but still not as dependable and predictable as a more overstable disc. I love the grip of the Firbird and Banshee and I have a hard time really feeling consistent with anything with a larger rim.



I'll stand by my statement from 3 years ago. Flat discs with long wings are very hard to get a solid grip on, and grip is everything! The Z Predator is about as long of a wing as I can handle, and that is only because it is deep.

Other discs may go further but I have found nothing close to the Banshees consistency.



Last time I checked, that was the most important thing.

Are we talking thumber or tomahawk? For a long throw I use a surge or wrath (less stable then thumber). For a straight no flip up to 250 ft. drop on the spot a monster with snap.

I dont throw Tomahawks, but if I did, it would be with a Banshee.

My friend who has been playing for about 3 years now, has been recently using two banshees for thumbers/tommys. I told him that was a terrible disc to be used for that, guess I was wrong? My old-Proline Monster is a consistent with good D, and i know that Firebirds do the same with great consistency. Does a Banshee really have better consistency than either of these?

Z flick also have 2 thumber aces with the Z flick

Another vote for the Firechicken here. Has a lot more uses to me, and I only need to carry one disc.

My friend who has been playing for about 3 years now, has been recently using two banshees for thumbers/tommys. I told him that was a terrible disc to be used for that, guess I was wrong? My old-Proline Monster is a consistent with good D, and i know that Firebirds do the same with great consistency. Does a Banshee really have better consistency than either of these?




For me it does. Ive thrown the Firebird as well, and its like a quicker Banshee, with less movement. I like the Banshee as it can somewhat correct mistakes due to the long S, or at least it seems that way when Im off my line from the tee. Alot of the other discs mentioned get better D, I suppose, but thats also because they are faster. ( Truth be told, I can throw Banshees just as far, I just have to grunt a little harder. )

Im not sure about what the "flight chart" says, as I put little stock in those anyways, but the Banshee is ( IMO ) a slower version of a Firebird.

I suppose shifting weights around may make me change my mind, but if it aint broke- dont fix it.

Besides that, who can afford Pro Line Monsters in this day and age? Also, there is no difference between the 11x KCs, the CFR Glows, and the Champion Banshee. They are also top notch sidearm approach discs, skippers, and must hyser approaches. Way more consistent than alot of other favorites out there.

I dont know why Schweb hasnt chimed in on this, he has one of the best overheads in the world. Im pretty sure hes on the Firebird though, and possibly Leopards for the slow speeds.(?) That may have changed....

I dont know why Schweb hasnt chimed in on this, he has one of the best overheads in the world. Im pretty sure hes on the Firebird though, and possibly Leopards for the slow speeds.(?) That may have changed....


Chiming.......Champion Firebirds, Star Firebirds, and for soft approaches I use a CE Leopard and a Star Leopard.

hey schweb,
when do you choose champ firebird over a star and vice versa?

hey schweb,
when do you choose champ firebird over a star and vice versa?



ALSO:

Why the Leopard and what situations are you looking to use this or not use it?

Thanks!

Another vote for the Firechicken here. Has a lot more uses to me, and I only need to carry one disc.

amen brother

Discraft Venom!!!!! They go way further then my Firepoops and Preds.

I'm still a relative rookie but from my bag I have gravitated towards a Star Teebird as it has a slow turn and doesn't move off a line too much.

I haven't used my thumber much for max distance. I generally use my thumbers for accurate approach shots through trees or due to not being able to throw backhand. Love my star tbird as I can throw it with about a 20 degree from perpendicular and it will just rotate until its on its back, float a bit then hit the ground and slide along a while. I love the accuracy with the slide. I use that "20 degree slider" more and more often now. I'll have to try a beat to hell banshee I found recently for longer throws.

hey schweb,
when do you choose champ firebird over a star and vice versa?

Star is a little less stable I will use a Star one when I am throwing into a more rocky area so it can get beat up faster. I try to use the Champ out in more open shots where I am going for Max D.

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hey schweb,
when do you choose champ firebird over a star and vice versa?



ALSO:

Why the Leopard and what situations are you looking to use this or not use it?

Thanks! [/quote/] 250 ft and in.

What makes a good overhand disc... for me the flick goes the farthest, then a spirit, then a champion firebird, then a monster... But a firebird is slower than a monster, and supposidly a tad more understable but usually goes farther for thumbers and FH rollers? I saw were schweberger (sp?) said that a star whippet goes farthest for him which is alot slower than all of the above. what characteristics make a good overhand disc?

grip .......... whats most comfortable for you

overstable discs will also corkscrew slower

I M O, the more OVERSTABLE the beTTer. The Whippet flies way better overhand than it does backhand. It is hard to throw the whippet over 350 backhand and very easy overhand.

what do you guys think of overhands w/ the destroyer?

There are a few locals who switched to the 168g blast Dt for tomahawks and thumbers.
they say they are fast, turn slow and are very accurate.
I heard some say they like overhands to sweep as far left as they do right and Ive heard others say they would rather not have the disc sweep left or right at all.
Similar to the backhand, the preferences for overhand throws and the discs used for them vary just as much.

Ive also heard the Hybrid is similar to the Whippet for controlled overhands like layups!

Schweb ever tried a Hybrid?

in my humble opinion the best thumber disc is one with a lot of over stability but not to much speed. At least i assume its the speed that makes faster discs that i have tried such as the tee-rex and the max, and the wraith not that good at thumbers. i like a nice beat in star firebird. Also champion whippets are nice.

What makes a good overhand disc... for me the flick goes the farthest, then a spirit, then a champion firebird, then a monster... But a firebird is slower than a monster, and supposidly a tad more understable but usually goes farther for thumbers and FH rollers? I saw were schweberger (sp?) said that a star whippet goes farthest for him which is alot slower than all of the above. what characteristics make a good overhand disc?



1 monster
2 firebird
3 Star Max
4 Sidewinder for quick skipping close in oh hell I'm buried shots

The Whippet flies way better overhand than it does backhand. It is hard to throw the whippet over 350 backhand and very easy overhand.



Insane. I woulda never thunk.

So where might one get said whippet or are they only stuff of legend :D

Firebird or Flick depending on which way you fly

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There are a few locals who switched to the 168g blast Dt for tomahawks and thumbers.
they say they are fast, turn slow and are very accurate.
I heard some say they like overhands to sweep as far left as they do right and Ive heard others say they would rather not have the disc sweep left or right at all.
Similar to the backhand, the preferences for overhand throws and the discs used for them vary just as much.

to me the more they sweep the less distance.... I can throw all my discs for thumbers/tomahawks to get different sweeps or distance.... I guess i was asking what makes the best disc for max distance overhands.. After seeing schwe say he liked whippets i tried my champion whippet a couple months ago and it didnt go anywere :(

I use a 149g Champion Firebird for max D (with a good bit of "sweep") or a 146g Champion Banshee for pinpoint accuracy & a laser-straight tunnel flight.

Thumbers are cheating and I am petitioning the PDGA to write it up as so in the Rules book. What the heck I may ask for lefty throws to be illegal as well........ :p

Ive also heard the Hybrid is similar to the Whippet for controlled overhands like layups!

Schweb ever tried a Hybrid?

Never heard of the Hybrid?

So where might one get said whippet or are they only stuff of legend :D

Star Whippets are at Innova East, you can prolly get them thru www.zonedriven.com (http://www.zonedriven.com) also

Thumbers are cheating and I am petitioning the PDGA to write it up as so in the Rules book. What the heck I may ask for lefty throws to be illegal as well........ :p



BLASPHEMER!!!11!!!!!one!1

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There are a few locals who switched to the 168g blast Dt for tomahawks and thumbers.
they say they are fast, turn slow and are very accurate.
I heard some say they like overhands to sweep as far left as they do right and Ive heard others say they would rather not have the disc sweep left or right at all.
Similar to the backhand, the preferences for overhand throws and the discs used for them vary just as much.

to me the more they sweep the less distance.... I can throw all my discs for thumbers/tomahawks to get different sweeps or distance.... I guess i was asking what makes the best disc for max distance overhands.. After seeing schwe say he liked whippets i tried my champion whippet a couple months ago and it didnt go anywere :(

Hae not tried the Champ Whippet yet, only have one, so not real worth it yet.

Thumbers are cheating and I am petitioning the PDGA to write it up as so in the Rules book. What the heck I may ask for lefty throws to be illegal as well........ :p

I couldn't agree more, I will sign the petition when there are enuff peeps who agree.

Thumber with a champ whippet? very interesting. Champ Whipps are slower than the firebird but still go farther with the overhand (?). I plan on testing this theory after work. Will post my results in the morning.

I can thumb a Champ Firebird about 280 without hurting my shoulder or elbow. If the whippet goes farther I will find a place for it in the bag.

Thumber with a champ whippet? very interesting. Champ Whipps are slower than the firebird but still go farther with the overhand (?). I plan on testing this theory after work. Will post my results in the morning.

I can thumb a Champ Firebird about 280 without hurting my shoulder or elbow. If the whippet goes farther I will find a place for it in the bag.



No, no no!!! I said the champion whippet sux! I only tried it because schweberger (sp?) said his Star Whippet goes farther than anything he has thrown. According to my calculations, lol; if you can throw 280 with the firebird the champion whippet might make 240 on a good heave.

Thumber with a champ whippet? very interesting. Champ Whipps are slower than the firebird but still go farther with the overhand (?). I plan on testing this theory after work. Will post my results in the morning.

I can thumb a Champ Firebird about 280 without hurting my shoulder or elbow. If the whippet goes farther I will find a place for it in the bag.



No, no no!!! I said the champion whippet sux! I only tried it because schweberger (sp?) said his Star Whippet goes farther than anything he has thrown. According to my calculations, lol; if you can throw 280 with the firebird the champion whippet might make 240 on a good heave.




According to Schweb you could throw the Whippet 320'.

Thumber with a champ whippet? very interesting. Champ Whipps are slower than the firebird but still go farther with the overhand (?). I plan on testing this theory after work. Will post my results in the morning.

I can thumb a Champ Firebird about 280 without hurting my shoulder or elbow. If the whippet goes farther I will find a place for it in the bag.

I use Star Whippets, I NEVER said the Champ Whippet goes far, I have never tried them.

Thumber with a champ whippet? very interesting. Champ Whipps are slower than the firebird but still go farther with the overhand (?). I plan on testing this theory after work. Will post my results in the morning.

I can thumb a Champ Firebird about 280 without hurting my shoulder or elbow. If the whippet goes farther I will find a place for it in the bag.

I use Star Whippets, I NEVER said the Champ Whippet goes far, I have never tried them.




They make a star Whippet? Man where have I been :D

Thumber with a champ whippet? very interesting. Champ Whipps are slower than the firebird but still go farther with the overhand (?). I plan on testing this theory after work. Will post my results in the morning.

I can thumb a Champ Firebird about 280 without hurting my shoulder or elbow. If the whippet goes farther I will find a place for it in the bag.

I use Star Whippets, I NEVER said the Champ Whippet goes far, I have never tried them.



Ive seen him the TThe STTar WhippeTT for TThumbers and TThey go FAR!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

i was the one who said the champions are good.

go get a devilhawk and throw 900' thumbers.

whippet good. - somebody had to say it.

FWIW (not much) for max distance I throw a ce firebird for thumbers and elite z-150 flick for tommy (the flick is a tad less stable but very low profile, so it turns with a tommy about as much as a thumber(higher propensity to turn) turns with a firebird. Those get me the farthest, though it is a far sight from where the big guns like Schwebby get even though it is still the one shot I can usually throw farther than my son.

Champion Banshees are the longest thumber discs I've thrown (especially older, super overstable ones). I birdied hole 18 at Hudson Mills a couple years back at No Foolin' with one, which is about 400' to the right and over water. Right now I'm good to about 300' or so with my Z Pred. I like the slow sweep rather than the quick flipping Flicks and Spirits.

I sware i must have some freak z-flick because it barely turns for thumbers, it won't turn for tommy's, and won't even stand up for FH rollers. It is brand new and it is more over stable than my ice clear flat top spirit, my champion monster x, and my champion firebirds... It is straight flat on top and i cant even imagine a disc being more overstable than it? maybe i should take a picture of it, lol.

Thumber with a champ whippet? very interesting. Champ Whipps are slower than the firebird but still go farther with the overhand (?). I plan on testing this theory after work. Will post my results in the morning.

I can thumb a Champ Firebird about 280 without hurting my shoulder or elbow. If the whippet goes farther I will find a place for it in the bag.

I use Star Whippets, I NEVER said the Champ Whippet goes far, I have never tried them.



Oh my bad...in that case in order to test the *whip thumber distance I need to borrow one from somebody. I have my doubts about it but if schweb says it's a longer thumber I must try it out. I mean who wouldn't want an extra 40ft of thumber distance?

my word is Gold M toda C

Hey Schweb, are going make it down to J-ville for the Ice Bowl and/or CPWO?

Hey Schweb, are going make it down to J-ville for the Ice Bowl and/or CPWO?

not sjur, when is it?

Schweb is totally right about the whippet. I was using a 150 Champ Firebird (for me, lighter is easier for overhands) then I discovered the 150 Whippet. It goes at least 50 feet farther for me on equally good throws. The whippet is also great thrown backhand for 200ish foot HARD hyzer approaches. It just cuts and cuts and cuts some more with no hope of turning over.

Just my --> sense. :cool:

where can you get 150 star or champ whippets?

where can you get 150 star or champ whippets?



I believe those are only made in DX.. thats what mine is. The lightest Star I have found is being shipped to me as we speak from Marshall Street and it weighs in at a hefty 170 grams. I dont want to pay 40 dollars or more for a bee that I am going to throw so I wont even look at a champ Whippet.

I love my KC Pro Banshee and Champ Firebird for thumbers. The banshee has a more reliable flight, whereas the firebird goes about 30' further. Thumbers are great, if I'm stuck in the junk somewhere or on a hole with a really tight route the first place I always look is up.

Z crush, longer than the Z predator, and more consistent

can someone [schweb?] tell me how and why a whippet goes further than a firebird? a little science and theory if you will.

can someone [schweb?] tell me how and why a whippet goes further than a firebird? a little science and theory if you will.



A good mullet.

Dave would be a beTTer person to relate the Science/Aerodynamics side of it. But as far as I can tell you, when I throw the Whippet it gets all the way to its pinnacle of height and it is still verticle and when it starts coming back down it is still verticle and regains speed which in turn gets the disc to start turning over MUCH later in its flight which is where all the extra distance is coming from. It is by no means faster than a firebird, just longer.

thats what i was getting at when i started this post, what characteristics make a disc good for distance overhand shots. I am assuming that whatever turns the slowest while actuallly flipping all the way over is you're best bet. And since everyone throws at different speeds and angles there will be alot of different preferences. So basically you just have to test em all.

thats what i was getting at when i started this post, what characteristics make a disc good for distance overhand shots. I am assuming that whatever turns the slowest while actuallly flipping all the way over is you're best bet. And since everyone throws at different speeds and angles there will be alot of different preferences. So basically you just have to test em all.



BINGO!!! Find a bunch that feel comfy in your hand. I like 174 grams and go to a field and throw them all.

Best and only true way to find out what works best for you.

I throw Z Flicks and Z Trackers :D:D:D

what makes a good thumber or tomahawk disc?



TThe TTechnique and TThe power TThaTT Schwebby has helps TThe mosTT. Usually really overstable discs are preferred. (Flicks, Preds, Xtremes, Firebirds, Monsters, Maxxxs, Comfort and Practice)

what makes a good thumber or tomahawk disc?



TThe TTechnique and TThe power TThaTT Schwebby has helps TThe mosTT. Usually really overstable discs are preferred. (Flicks, Preds, Xtremes, Firebirds, Monsters, Maxxxs, Comfort and Practice)

greaTT use of the leTTer TT John boy

Star whippet or Star whippet X and is there realy much of a difference? Zone driven doesn't have any star whippets, and DGvalues has only star whippet x's.

Schweb,

What did you throw on hole 16 on Clash at Renny?

Star whippet or Star whippet X and is there realy much of a difference? Zone driven doesn't have any star whippets, and DGvalues has only star whippet x's.



whippet-x is even more overstable than the original whippet mold. I believe its the most overstable disc Innova makes.
I throw the whippet-x. I'm also pretty certain that all Star Whippets are indeed the x mold.

if you are just trying to throw these to try one out buy a $7 DX from MarshallStreet

Bring back the RAM.

Bring back the RAM.



I saw a few of those for sale somewhere, but cant remember exactly where. Take a look around the net. They may not have to bring them back for you to prosper

I have a nice stash of rams. Quite a few custom stamped ones also :)

if you are just trying to throw these to try one out buy a $7 DX from MarshallStreet

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I have a nice 10x Pro Whippet, but I don't really want to bust it up throwing thumbers, its mainly reserved for forehand knife spikes. I typically use firebirds for thumbers, and can consistently get them out about 250 to around 300'. I manly use them on wooded courses, or when I need to get over some wicked bushes or something like that. It's a really fun shot. I havent noticed any real difference between my star and champ f-birds. One of my buddies now swears by the flick for thumbers, he says he gets more d than the f-bird, I dunno, I haven't tried it.

"I have a nice 10x Pro Whippet, but I don't really want to bust it up throwing thumbers, its mainly reserved for forehand knife spikes. I typically use firebirds for thumbers, and can consistently get them out about 250 to around 300'".....

ALL THE MORE REASON TO BUY A $8 DX Whippet-X. Who cares if you bust that up. You'll get more D or they don't call me Stella!

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/oldmoldwhippet.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=oldmoldwhippet.jpg)

Old molds, baby.... :D

when you gonna HOOK A BROTHER UP Goocher?!? You opened my eyes to the Whippet, now open your heart with a sweet oldie but goodie!!! ;) :o:D:cool::confused: :)

DX discs are good for what, 5-10 thumbers? Its such a high impact shot that even the Whippet X will not be very overstable for long. The first throw is the best and its all downhill after that. At least go with the Star plastic.

My Star WX is still nasty as ever

DX discs are good for what, 5-10 thumbers? Its such a high impact shot that even the Whippet X will not be very overstable for long.



thats true, however, if you are just going to be trying the mold out to see if you like the disc as a utility type addition, grabbing a dx and practicing with it a few times is never a bad idea. If it works for you, eventhough we are all aware they fly slightly different, you could then spring the money and buy a Star.

x-clones fly great overhand.

I did some testing today since i got a star whippet. I threw thumbers with a star whippet, champion firebird and my z-flick all max weights. And i am an innova fan; of my 26 discs i only throw two discraft (buzz and flick) and 2 gateway (wizards)... I threw each one three times on a football field with about a 15mph tailwind and the results were- Z Flick (143 yrds, 133 yards, 134yrds) ..... Firebird (117yards, 120 yards, 125 yards) ...... Whippet (117yards, 119 yards, 122 yards)... My flick always has a big skip roll to the end of it..

I then threw a couple tommahawks with each and i threw my firebird and whippet about 129 yards and my flick only went about 90 because it wouldn't flip over.

p.s. I still think champion whippets suck for thumbers, star whippets are pretty good.

Must be your technique if your Firebirds are going farther than the Whippet.

I was wondering what a good disc is to start throwing tomahawks or thumbers. I was thinking a speed demon

Before I wore out my shoulder I would use a Whippet for tomahawks and a Starfire for a thumber.

Firechicken is a popular overhand disc... In fact, most, not all, people use overstable discs for overhand shots. I myself use a beat in Sidewinder but I'm not your "normal" overhander. I do through a Monster on occasion as well.

i use a teerex-x for thumbers. works great for me. used a firechicken 'till i lost it a few years ago.

tried every disc in my bag for a tomahawk and can't get anything to completely flip/corkscrew. everything from my teerex to a roadrunner. they all start to flip then fall down like a helicopter landing slow and flat and WWWAAAAYYYYY to the right. good news is i've had use for that shot, but when i need it to fall verticle, nope

i use a teerex-x for thumbers. works great for me. used a firechicken 'till i lost it a few years ago.

tried every disc in my bag for a tomahawk and can't get anything to completely flip/corkscrew. everything from my teerex to a roadrunner. they all start to flip then fall down like a helicopter landing slow and flat and WWWAAAAYYYYY to the right. good news is i've had use for that shot, but when i need it to fall verticle, nope

before my shoulder timed out i threw a tomahawk alot i suggest a stable disc like a whippet the trick is the whippet or other stable disc has to be beat up alot ,very broken in,the more stable the disc the slower it will flip and the farther it will go but stability brings the likelyhood of it never getting all the way over