I have decided to run for the position of State Coordinator for the upcoming election.

All PDGA current members will receive a ballot via email sometime this week. It appears my competition will be Todd Gillihan.

I am asking for everyone's vote in this election and to take the time to read the candidate statement included in the email. Our state needs to perk back up and I feel the things I will do will do just that.

If you have any questions, please feel free to post. If you would like to make them private, do not hesitate to contact me.

Thanks,

Robert Leonard
919-389-5780
robertleonard01@yahoo.com

I have decided to run for the position of State Coordinator for the upcoming election.

All PDGA current members will receive a ballot via email sometime this week. It appears my competition will be Todd Gillihan.

I am asking for everyone's vote in this election and to take the time to read the candidate statement included in the email. Our state needs to perk back up and I feel the things I will do will do just that.

If you have any questions, please feel free to post. If you would like to make them private, do not hesitate to contact me.

Thanks,

Robert Leonard
919-389-5780
robertleonard01@yahoo.com


What are these things you feel will perk up the state? Care to tell us now. I'm also proud of you for not just coming on here and slamming Todd Gillihan. The manner in which you have done that over the past few years is not a character trait I would want for the state coordinator. Can you assure us in NC that dark period you instigated is over? I have a lot of confidence that you can run a great tourney Robert, but when it comes to being fair, and equally attentive to all, I wonder. Please identify how you will accomplish good things for NC.

Craig,

First off, thanks for taking the time to express your views. I will respond to your positive things first as it obviously will be shorter.

I will not bash my competition. I refuse to win that way. When I compete, I refuse to win by gaining an advantage by cheating or getting in someones head and I will use the same philosophy in this election. If I win, it will be me winning and not Todd losing.

I appreciate your comments regarding my events. I'm honored to have secured a major sponsor for 4 straight years in my summer event and the large amount of cash my winter event has raised for the North Carolina Food Bank. When I first had the idea to sanction a charity event, people laughed. I knew that by sanctioning the event, more people would come and I would raise more money for the charity. Fortunately for those hungry in NC, my vision was correct.

As far as my goals, most of what I have in mind will be publicized in my candidate statement released later this week. Once you read that and have any questions, please feel free to address.

As far as your concerns regarding me, I certainly feel they are warranted. For me to sit here and say I've been a role model for professionalism would be a bold faced lie. For years, I was a perfectionist on the course. I refused to throw a bad shot and when I did, my temper got the best of me on occasion. I remember shooting a -17 one round and the only thing I could think about was the one bad shot that lead me to the par; that really was my mentality.

Unfortunately for those around me, my actions at the time would alter opinions about me, provide some negative experiences, and in some extreme cases, make players not even want to play in tournaments I was at.

Unlike most players who have fought the demons on the course that I have, I have admitted to these and moved on. Some of this I blame on youth; I was merely 21 - 24 years old at the time, in or just barely out of college and struggling mentally with my father's passing that led to his passing in 2009.

As a player, I lost the fun the game provided. I have more than apologized to those players and have not only rediscovered the fun of the game, have simply grown up.

I have come to peace with this by simply the amount of people who at once couldn't stand me, boycotted the events I played and did everything they could to turn their misery I caused back on me (I include you in this, by the way) have now once again became friends, most notably Jason "CuTT" Land and Scott Knapp. In fact, CuTT has asked me to come out to his home and give opinions on his private course; quite a statement considering just three years ago the two of us couldn't be anywhere near each other without incident. This shows the turn around I have made not only as a disc golfer, but more importantly a man.

As far as your concerns about fairness, I'm not sure I quite understand the fear here. If elected, I will simply follow PDGA rules and make the best decision in the best interest of the sport as a whole.

The best part of this election process is the freedom of choice. If you feel I am not the best person for the job, simply don't vote for me or vote for my competition or organize a write in campaign as Mike Norris did two years ago. It's very clear it can be done as it was just two years ago.

While in some people's minds I will never be forgiven for my juvenile ways 4 - 5 years ago, no one has ever doubted my passion for the game, my ability to run a great event, my overall knowledge of the game, my organization, my education and most importantly, the large amounts of work I have done to improve our sport. I still teach disc golf to kids 3 - 4 times a year not to mention the hours spent on the course working.

In summation, I feel that your concerns about me all have one thing in common; they are all in the past. If changes from me had not occurred years ago no one would play my events (and they both sell out) and people in the past who wanted nothing to do with, organized ways not to be around me and simply couldn't stand me would not be people I call friends now.

If you feel I have not addressed your question, I look forward to responding to follow up question.

Craig,

First off, thanks for taking the time to express your views. I will respond to your positive things first as it obviously will be shorter.

I will not bash my competition. I refuse to win that way. When I compete, I refuse to win by gaining an advantage by cheating or getting in someones head and I will use the same philosophy in this election. If I win, it will be me winning and not Todd losing.

I appreciate your comments regarding my events. I'm honored to have secured a major sponsor for 4 straight years in my summer event and the large amount of cash my winter event has raised for the North Carolina Food Bank. When I first had the idea to sanction a charity event, people laughed. I knew that by sanctioning the event, more people would come and I would raise more money for the charity. Fortunately for those hungry in NC, my vision was correct.

As far as my goals, most of what I have in mind will be publicized in my candidate statement released later this week. Once you read that and have any questions, please feel free to address.

As far as your concerns regarding me, I certainly feel they are warranted. For me to sit here and say I've been a role model for professionalism would be a bold faced lie. For years, I was a perfectionist on the course. I refused to throw a bad shot and when I did, my temper got the best of me on occasion. I remember shooting a -17 one round and the only thing I could think about was the one bad shot that lead me to the par; that really was my mentality.

Unfortunately for those around me, my actions at the time would alter opinions about me, provide some negative experiences, and in some extreme cases, make players not even want to play in tournaments I was at.

Unlike most players who have fought the demons on the course that I have, I have admitted to these and moved on. Some of this I blame on youth; I was merely 21 - 24 years old at the time, in or just barely out of college and struggling mentally with my father's passing that led to his passing in 2009.

As a player, I lost the fun the game provided. I have more than apologized to those players and have not only rediscovered the fun of the game, have simply grown up.

I have come to peace with this by simply the amount of people who at once couldn't stand me, boycotted the events I played and did everything they could to turn their misery I caused back on me (I include you in this, by the way) have now once again became friends, most notably Jason "CuTT" Land and Scott Knapp. In fact, CuTT has asked me to come out to his home and give opinions on his private course; quite a statement considering just three years ago the two of us couldn't be anywhere near each other without incident. This shows the turn around I have made not only as a disc golfer, but more importantly a man.

As far as your concerns about fairness, I'm not sure I quite understand the fear here. If elected, I will simply follow PDGA rules and make the best decision in the best interest of the sport as a whole.

The best part of this election process is the freedom of choice. If you feel I am not the best person for the job, simply don't vote for me or vote for my competition or organize a write in campaign as Mike Norris did two years ago. It's very clear it can be done as it was just two years ago.

While in some people's minds I will never be forgiven for my juvenile ways 4 - 5 years ago, no one has ever doubted my passion for the game, my ability to run a great event, my overall knowledge of the game, my organization, my education and most importantly, the large amounts of work I have done to improve our sport. I still teach disc golf to kids 3 - 4 times a year not to mention the hours spent on the course working.

In summation, I feel that your concerns about me all have one thing in common; they are all in the past. If changes from me had not occurred years ago no one would play my events (and they both sell out) and people in the past who wanted nothing to do with, organized ways not to be around me and simply couldn't stand me would not be people I call friends now.

If you feel I have not addressed your question, I look forward to responding to follow up question.

Well, since you are not going to tell us the perks you plan on bringing to the state, I guess I will have to read your candidate statement when I get it. I think that with the open door I just gave you to articulate your intentions, all I heard was that wasn't me because of this, this, and this (no disrespect towards the unfortunate situation you were in regarding your father) and I am not that same person. Let me remind you Bob, that your bashing of Todd was within the past two years and across four different message boards in NC that I have identified within 10 minutes this morning doing a less than thorough search. You sure went well out of your way to hurt him publicly and degrade his name. Did Todd pee in your soda at some tourney and I just never heard about it? Re-read your post and then respond again to the fairness aspect, as well as consistency. You are still blaming others. You are still attacking.

I disagree with your comment about bashing Todd in the last two year years on multiple sites. Please support this comment with evidence. I know this time two years ago I posted on here regarding why I would be supporting Mike instead of Todd in this election, but I do not remember posting what you have claimed. In the past - maybe 4 -5 years ago, yes I have bashed Todd. I will not go into why and what happened because it doesn't matter, but I do know that happened well more than 2 years ago. I could be wrong, but once again, please support this with evidence. It should take you less than 10 minutes, right?

And I don't think I could disagree more with your comment regarding blaming others and attacking. My exact words were "Some of this I blame on youth; I was merely 21 - 24 years old at the time, in or just barely out of college and struggling mentally with my father's passing that led to his passing in 2009." This is clearly saying I was the issue, taking full blame for it and only attacking myself.

As far as fairness and consistently, I once again do not understand what makes you think this will be an issue. The rules are in black in white. I will follow them. Please elaborate where your concerns are. It clearly is something that you feel will be an an issue as you would not bring it up if you didn't. I certainly haven't been asked about my experience in disc golf, my passion or my ability to run an event and raise funds because no one is worried about those.

Since you have asked about my ideas and another on facebook, I will go ahead and post it in summation.

- The main thing we have right currently is the schedule. In the past, my competition has wanted to make way for non sanctioned events which I do not feel is possible. With over 50 PDGA events this past year in NC, it's simply not possible to allow non sanctioned events to not overlap sanctioned events without not allowing the sanctioning on an event to take place. Also, only one event in a weekend forces players that want to play tournaments into an environment they may not want. Some people want a more relaxed non competitive private atmosphere and others want a more public and more competitive atmosphere. Allowing both events to occur at the same time means more people playing and more people playing the event they want. I believe the last line I wrote on the statement was "If there is anything that doesn't need fixing, it's the calender."

- To me none of my plans really were earth shattering. I want to revamp the NC Series as in the last 2 - 3 years, it has gone away basically. With a points race involved, people are more likely to attend an event than if it wasn't part of a points series. Giving that incentive improves events. More players make it easier for the TD to get more sponsorship the next year. It improves the economy in that area. The events would be equally balanced throughout the state. I did not put this, but I will consult multiple people when making the decision of what events are series events. I will be looking for events with good payouts, good player packs, and good overall experiences for the players. When we put the NC Series name on the event, we want people to know that they are getting a certain quality when they go.

- I also would like to add intermediate to the series, something that has not been done before.

- I would like to reinforce with TD's the $1 per player NC Series fee. This money would be used for the following.
- Maintaining a website to publish stories from events, photos from events,
current standings and give the TD a chance to publicize his flyers / events.
- Provide a year end payout for division winners.
- Sponsor NC Series events in the future
100% of the funds will be used for these things and balance sheets will be available.

- My final words, I believe, were something along the lines of "This isn't new ideas, but this is a starting place. We need to keep our players in NC and make it attractive for out of state players to travel."

Since you have asked about my ideas and another on facebook, I will go ahead and post it in summation.

- The main thing we have right currently is the schedule. In the past, my competition has wanted to make way for non sanctioned events which I do not feel is possible. With over 50 PDGA events this past year in NC, it's simply not possible to allow non sanctioned events to not overlap sanctioned events without not allowing the sanctioning on an event to take place. Also, only one event in a weekend forces players that want to play tournaments into an environment they may not want. Some people want a more relaxed non competitive private atmosphere and others want a more public and more competitive atmosphere. Allowing both events to occur at the same time means more people playing and more people playing the event they want. I believe the last line I wrote on the statement was "If there is anything that doesn't need fixing, it's the calender."

- To me none of my plans really were earth shattering. I want to revamp the NC Series as in the last 2 - 3 years, it has gone away basically. With a points race involved, people are more likely to attend an event than if it wasn't part of a points series. Giving that incentive improves events. More players make it easier for the TD to get more sponsorship the next year. It improves the economy in that area. The events would be equally balanced throughout the state. I did not put this, but I will consult multiple people when making the decision of what events are series events. I will be looking for events with good payouts, good player packs, and good overall experiences for the players. When we put the NC Series name on the event, we want people to know that they are getting a certain quality when they go.

- I also would like to add intermediate to the series, something that has not been done before.

- I would like to reinforce with TD's the $1 per player NC Series fee. This money would be used for the following.
- Maintaining a website to publish stories from events, photos from events,
current standings and give the TD a chance to publicize his flyers / events.
- Provide a year end payout for division winners.
- Sponsor NC Series events in the future
100% of the funds will be used for these things and balance sheets will be available.

- My final words, I believe, were something along the lines of "This isn't new ideas, but this is a starting place. We need to keep our players in NC and make it attractive for out of state players to travel."


I'm going to stick to the NC Coordinator stuff and let others search out their own historical needs. That's fair.

- When it comes to the schedule, there is far too many overlapping tournies, and despite not wanting non-sanctioned events to interfere, it is an element that no NC Coordinator is going to have any control over. The sanctioned ones do need to be more organized. With the quality and amount of tournies in NC, the point series could easily accommodate just A-B tiers, and hit a tourney in each geographic area of the state. The series does not have to be 20 events. For what it's worth, us here in Charlotte often go south of the border to events simply because it is not economical to drive 5-6 hours out to the coastal areas. If the points series was more consolidated into events that have significance, I am sure that the turnout will increase as far as representation by people from farther away geographic areas in the state.

- Payouts. Here in Charlotte we have low flat payouts. I would like to see a structured payout for the state series, much like it sounds you are working towards. People appreciate knowing up front what they are playing for. Let's be real though, as much as we play for the competition, the AM division has become spoiled and feel they are entitled to a good players pack at the minimum. If the top players are going to commit to extended travel and expenses to get to more remote tournies, this will need to be addressed. The CAC is a great example: Largest overall numbers in the state for a tourney, but a large majority of the top Advanced players in the state did not attend. Why? I would like to see a cap on players packs so therefore the money goes into the payout.

-Generating money for the state series. I am OK with a $1 to the series. This also scares me a bit because now we are also basically creating a treasurer to do the accounting and such, but also it would mandate a board to be created in order to make decisions. The state coordinator should not be the be all decision maker when it comes to financial endeavors. Could create some bigger issues, might not if done with consistency, fairness, and transparency. This also means that now we are paying pdga, the specific tourney, and the state series just to play. That is a lot of paying.

- Website. Please don't do this. The disc golf community is already spread out amongst so many discussion boards that it only clouds communication. Maybe just use DG course review or another already existing site, although when it comes to the pdga site, it is a fossil and of minimal value for communication and quality.

If I recall the "Bashing" of Todd was pretty well founded and more or less just facts. Either way you have my vote Robert :).

I'm going to stick to the NC Coordinator stuff and let others search out their own historical needs. That's fair.

Then please retract your statement from earlier. You brought it up. I simply defended myself and claimed it as untrue. Since you are unwilling to do something that "took less than 10 minutes to find 4 times" I am going to consider the statement nothing more than fabrication.

- When it comes to the schedule, there is far too many overlapping tournies, and despite not wanting non-sanctioned events to interfere, it is an element that no NC Coordinator is going to have any control over. The sanctioned ones do need to be more organized. With the quality and amount of tournies in NC, the point series could easily accommodate just A-B tiers, and hit a tourney in each geographic area of the state. The series does not have to be 20 events. For what it's worth, us here in Charlotte often go south of the border to events simply because it is not economical to drive 5-6 hours out to the coastal areas. If the points series was more consolidated into events that have significance, I am sure that the turnout will increase as far as representation by people from farther away geographic areas in the state.

You certainly have some good points here. In theory, the points series would be 10 - 15 larger events, but if a TD does not want his event apart of the series, then they may not be feasible.

I certainly understand the economics of driving an hour south out of state rather than 5 hours in state. This is where the points series incentive comes in. Let's keep these dollars in North Carolina - and this goes beyond disc golf. The gas stations you stop at on the way to the tournament, the McDonalds you get at breakfast, the Subway at lunch, the Outback for dinner, the Motel 8 for the night, let's increase the economy and keep your hard earned money in North Carolina. I believe the series gives a player a reason to make the 5 hour drive from Charlotte to Greenville. After all, a high finish at the end of the tour would result in a payout and in theory, could compensate some of the losses from travel.

- Payouts. Here in Charlotte we have low flat payouts. I would like to see a structured payout for the state series, much like it sounds you are working towards. People appreciate knowing up front what they are playing for. Let's be real though, as much as we play for the competition, the AM division has become spoiled and feel they are entitled to a good players pack at the minimum. If the top players are going to commit to extended travel and expenses to get to more remote tournies, this will need to be addressed. The CAC is a great example: Largest overall numbers in the state for a tourney, but a large majority of the top Advanced players in the state did not attend. Why? I would like to see a cap on players packs so therefore the money goes into the payout.

A lot of this I do not and would not have control over. Payouts are regulated by the PDGA. I would in no way have a structured payout in NC events and I'm not sure what made you think that.

A lot of the things you have commented about are way over any state coordinator's power.

As far as why the CAC was not attended by players in NC, could it be it wasn't part of the now vaporized NC Series? It's certainly a theory. I know I was going to attend, however my knee injury has put me on the IR for a while. I am looking forward to doubles in October, however.

-Generating money for the state series. I am OK with a $1 to the series. This also scares me a bit because now we are also basically creating a treasurer to do the accounting and such, but also it would mandate a board to be created in order to make decisions. The state coordinator should not be the be all decision maker when it comes to financial endeavors. Could create some bigger issues, might not if done with consistency, fairness, and transparency. This also means that now we are paying pdga, the specific tourney, and the state series just to play. That is a lot of paying.

$1 to the series per player is the way it has always been. This is nothing new. What scares me, however, is the number of TD's who advertised and took this dollar but never paid the money.

All financial matters with these funds will not only be public, but will be all used for the series.

As far as a treasurer, it's certainly something I would explore.

- Website. Please don't do this. The disc golf community is already spread out amongst so many discussion boards that it only clouds communication. Maybe just use DG course review or another already existing site, although when it comes to the pdga site, it is a fossil and of minimal value for communication and quality.

I'm not sure I understand this. How can I publish point series standings on DG course review when I have no access to edit it? This website will have no discussion board, no chat features, nothing like that. It will simply be a place to mainly publicize point standings, and if the TD feels the need, information about a NC Series Event. This might be as simple as "For more info about Blank Blank event, please visit this link" which directs them to the local club site.

The regulation payouts are a big issue. Despite the pdga structure, the player pack dillemma and it's "value" is always used as a source by TD's to explain low and flat payouts. If the pdga structure is so set in stone, why aren't payouts consistent? A c-tier in NC oftens pays out a significantly higher amount to a winner over even A-tiers at times that have fields five times as large. It just doesn't make sense and further encourages NC players to go play somewhere else. My experiences out of state make me feel this is more of a NC issue. Transparency is needed to account for the AM's investment into tournies, but that seams to aggitate many TD's around here. Not so sure about in your neck of the woods. I know you personally identify what you do for your tournaments. Perhaps a NC state policy for a financial statement of each event could be implemented. Now that you say the state website would not have all the other crap involved with it, I would support a basic website, and encourage each tourney to divulge the financials. It has gone on too long where the AM's are funding the big boys and girls and are sacrificing the overall value of the payout in which they are playing for, just to entice a pro-division consisting of five players.

The payout is always going to be the most influencial reason for people to attend that are not within a close proximity to the tourney. It is not going to be because we got a DX roc "valued" at $18, or other over "valued" schwag with a pretty TD identified "glorified value". Thats just crap manipulation.

A lot of this I agree with, but doesn't really deal with the position I'm running for. I do like the idea of the TD having to show his numbers, in theory, but I don't think I would have the power to require it and don't think it would be as bad as you might think.

I feel a lot of the reason some payouts are great and others are terrible is simply the profit issue involved with the events. Since my events are not affiliated with a club or ran by a club, all the profits are technically mine. After all, people are paying me to play in the event and I'm paying out discs I bought. Saying that, what I do with my profit is no secret. My winter event, all profits are donated to the NC Food Bank and my summer event, all profits are put back into the event. This leads to great player packs, great payouts and, from what people tell me and by the fact my events always fill, obviously a great tournament. But not one is questioning my finances and it's pretty clear why.

However, a club making money is also no a bad thing. Clubs using funds to buy gas for mowers or buy tools or concrete or whatever for course work is not a bad thing. Profits used for future events is not a bad thing. As long as the profits are not flat out pocketed by an individual, I have no issues with profits.

But yes, there is an issue regarding this as a whole and there is no consistency. I see this as a local issue rather than a NC issue, however If it were an NC issue, then certain areas in NC wouldn't have reputations for bad payouts and certain areas in NC wouldn't have reputations for good payouts, rather, it would be all NC events on either end of the spectrum.

If elected and a player has a question regarding the finances of an event, I have no issue with a player contacting me and having me request the numbers from the TD, and I would encourage this. Our sport has an issue with people being afraid to voice their opinion. As I've often joked, if our country didn't bring up things we didn't agree withe, we would all be British. But publicizing it every single time by every TD might cause a bit too much work for someone who is overworked enough. But if there was a question about a particular event, yes, I would love for someone to let me know and I would look into it.

I'm refreshed to see you agree that AM disc golf is a cash crop and admit that it is profitable to run AM tournies. I do believe though that if the NC coordinator could work with the sanctioning agreement and create 10-15 structurally consistent payouts with the relevant TD's of the chosen points series events, you could establish that the series have a consistent payout at each event. This same argument also opens the door up for all of the non-sanctioned series and events that occur and provide a venue for those that are not interested in paying these other governing bodies that just get a cut of the profits. Seriously, there have been times I went to a club event out of town and by-passed a tourney within an hour of my house that was sanctioned because it didn't appear to be a economical value and my experiences illuminated that the TD paid out low (especiallly considering the investment to play). It sickens me when I see sanctioned payouts for a win in a division of 30 players that is sometimes not even as high as the entry fee, meanwhile all you get in the players pack is the over-valued schwag. Why not just go play a weekly/monthly/whatever non-sanctioned event where it is clear that all invested monies are going into the payout. I do think that the state coordinator could pull this off and establish a structured payout just for the identified series events. Could a series in NC exist without pdga sanctioning? Absolutely. If the sport of disc golf is going to have sustainability, the state coordinators need to increase the pressure on the pdga sanctions to elliminate a lot of the payout discrepencies.

I'll use the CAC again as an example. Check out the player list from cuTT's tourney and look at all the people who should have been competing in the most competitive sanctioned event for AM's in the state.

I'll use the CAC again as an example. Check out the player list from cuTT's tourney and look at all the people who should have been competing in the most competitive sanctioned event for AM's in the state.

I disagree with this last statement. The only players that should have been there were the ones that were there. Personally, I like that there were options that weekend. You had a larger more professional environment in Charlotte and you have a smaller more private environment in Raleigh.

Choices are great, and we need choices.

If you feel you are being ripped off as an Am, dont play the event. Either the TD will be forced to change or will be unable to financially support his event in the future. Money talks. I went from playing 15-18 events a year to playing 8-10 because of this. You dont see me in Charlotte much anymore, I dont play the events of someone mentioned earlier in this thread, I dont even play an unsanctioned event 30 minutes from my house because of this.

I've TD'ed or been assistant TD the last six years of the Down East Players Cup. All players get a players pack(usually valued $40-55) that we fundraise for, non of the money comes from entry fees. Every hole every round has a CTP, all donated, no money from player entry. The last 3 years lunch was provided for everyone 1 of the days, no money came from entry fees. And we still had significant added cash. Clubs and individuals need to stop focusing on running as many events as possible and instead focus on running 1 or 2 events as well as possible.

Rob, you got my vote. I know you'll do a good job. Let me know if I can help.

: ) :

Thank you Chris, Max, and many others for your support!

Polish, you are obviously raising a lot of points and concerns over the fact that Robert is running for state coordinator. Do you think that Todd would make a better state coordinator than Robert? If so, why?

Polish, you are obviously raising a lot of points and concerns over the fact that Robert is running for state coordinator. Do you think that Todd would make a better state coordinator than Robert? If so, why?

I have no idea Weaves because I haven't got any of the answers to these questions from TG. Do you know how he would answer? It is clear you made up YOUR decision on who to vote for without any knowledge of the other candidates so please enlighten the rest of us why that is the best option. Max, I'm sure the amount of events I usually play will reflect the same sentiments.

Weaves.........stay in school and avoid fraternity row!

Speaking of which, I invite Todd with open arms to join this discussion.

Invite him in person. It's probably the only way he would even know this thread exists.

The reason I have already made up my decision to vote for Robert is because of the following reasons:
1. Multiple State Coordinators have asked players at PDGA tournaments NOT to vote for Todd.
2. Todd takes money from tournaments he runs and keeps it for himself. While this may be legal I personally think it is absolutely ridiculous.
3. I know Robert pretty well and I know he is very organized and does a great job at anything he sets his mind to. He wants what is best for disc golf and want to see the sport grow.
4. Robert is active on the PDGA forum along with other disc golf related online forums. Todd isn't (to my knowledge).
5. Robert has played on both Pro and Amateur levels and has played everything from local tournaments to World Championships. He knows what players want and has a lot of experience playing and running GREAT tournaments.
6. Robert has been asked to be a course marshal for the 2011 am worlds by some of the most respected people in disc golf.

I agree with David ( based on my own personal experience.) Phil and I aren't they kind of people just to jump on the bus.

I think that with as much passion as Robert has for this sport, I believe he will do a great job.


Robert has my vote and I know he has Phil's too.

Thanks for your support guys!

My opponent was asked on his facebook page his stance on the election. His post is as follows. Since I am not friends with him on facebook, the post was sent to me by a mutual friend.

"I was reading the discussion on the PDGA web site. Sorry, I don't use that site, but I am not in favor of a $1 per person fee for the NC Championships Series, that Mr. Leonard has proposed. We have PDGA points and a rating system now, so I think the old NC Points Series does not need rehabiliated, and not on the backs of the PDGA members."

First of all, I personally do not know why someone who does not use the PDGA website would want to run for a PDGA position. This website is a valuable means of communication between members that the winner of this race will have some control over. Me personally, I would like to be able to know what those people want and not use something like Facebook that requires friendship and other things. While facebook is a great tool and one I'm clearly using in this race, it should not replace the main source the PDGA uses to communicate amongst members.

And while I disagree with the word "now" in regards to PDGA points and ratings (because they have been around since I've been a member), I do see where Todd comes from in this discussion, in a way. The PDGA rating system is a great way to compare rounds courses to course. It in no way has anything to do with keeping players in North Carolina. A player can leave North Carolina and still have a rated round. And the same can be said for points. Yes, the NC Series could simply be decided on PDGA points alone. But those points come from outside of NC as well. I don't see Todd's proposal regarding NC events rewarding or enticing people to play and support NC Events.

In regards to the fee, I understand Todd's view of it coming from NC players backs. And while I wish I could do a large payout without any fee, until our sport has major sponsors this simply is not possible. I hope to seek out sponsors to add on top of the 1 fee, but I don't see any payout that rewards players for playing an entire year of NC Events stretching from the mountains to the cost without some sort of fees.

I urge Todd to make his comments public, join this discussion and not on his private facebook page that is only seen by people he allows to be friends. My personal facebook page is not where I'm campaigning. Getting my friends to vote for me really isn't a challenge.

My opponent was asked his facebook page his stance on the election. His post is as follows.

"I was reading the discussion on the PDGA web site. Sorry, I don't use that site, but I am not in favor of a $1 per person fee for the NC Championships Series, that Mr. Leonard has proposed. We have PDGA points and a rating system now, so I think the old NC Points Series does not need rehabiliated, and not on the backs of the PDGA members."

First of all, I personally do not know why someone who does not use the PDGA website would want to run for a PDGA position. This website is a valuable means of communication between members that the winner of this race will have some control over. Me personally, I would like to be able to know what those people want and not use something like Facebook that requires friendship and other things. While facebook is a great tool and one I'm clearly using in this race, it should not replace the main source the PDGA uses to communicate amongst members.


Why would someone refuse to use resources that are a direct link to the players that your position will directly effect. Communication is one of the KEY needed ablities to be able to do well as ANY kind of coordinator. So to not use a such a valuable resource? I find that questionable to say the least.

Also I can tell you that I know 'WHERE' Robert stands on his views and things that he would like to make better as SC. I can't say the same for his competition because well there isn't any besides what is posted above. And well I don't find that reassuring either. Just to say that you don't agree. OKay then WHAT do you suggest? .................................................. .................................................. ........................(all I hear are crickets)

I think that you TRULY believe you really want to be SC and truly have the passion to help the growth of golf with THE PDGA in our state then I need some proof. I need to know that you actually want to do it and not just because it's something that you apply to every year.

I remember the pre-internet, technological boom, and I miss it. People communicated in person and with congruence. Life was good!

Candidate Statements have been released. Please let me know if you have any questions.

North Carolina - Todd Gillihan #3355
I have been a member of the PDGA since 1986 and the owner of Knotty Pines, a private disc golf course since
1992. Over the years, I have directed many successful PDGA events, including the State Games of North
Carolina, The Horizons Park Classic, and The Yadkin Open. Currently, I serve as the Treasurer of the Forsyth
County Disc Golf Club. If elected, I hope to do my best to serve the PDGA Members in the Great State of North
Carolina.
North Carolina - Robert Leonard #21676
North Carolina is in a time of transition. For years, we have relied on some of the best volunteers our sport has
to offer to be our state coordinator. Following people like Alan Beaver, Kirk Yoo and Mike Norris is not an easy
task, but I feel I am the perfect choice as a leader as we enter a new generation of North Carolina Disc Golf.
I feel I am qualified for this for multiple reasons. First off, I have passion for our sport. While my passion for
competing has undoubtedly diminished, my passion of the sport and growing the sport is as strong as ever.
Secondly, anyone who has played an event I have served as tournament director for should have an idea of not
only this passion, but the vision I have for disc golf. The Raleigh Winter Jam consistently raises over $1,000 for
the North Carolina Food Bank and the Midtown Chiropractic Raleigh Disc Golf Championship has had overall
the best B tier payout in our state thanks to securing a major sponsor of the event. And finally, overall my goals
for our state will improve the status of North Carolina Disc Golf, I feel, and will reward those who compete in our
state.
Past candidates have focused on revamping the calendar to make way for non-PDGA events and I am here to
say that it is not needed. With 50 plus PDGA events this past year in this state, it’s simply not possible to make
way for unsanctioned events. One thing I have always felt is amazing about the disc golf scene in North
Carolina is the freedom of choice. Allowing both sanctioned events and non sanctioned events to occur at the
same time not only allows more people to compete at one time, it doesn’t force someone into an atmosphere
they don’t want to be in. If there is anything that doesn’t need fixing in this state, it’s the calendar.
However there are things that do. The North Carolina Series is basically gone and there is no incentive to play
North Carolina events other than the reward of the experience and or payout of that single event. Financially
supporting not only events but the towns these events play in increases the chances of the event improving in
the future. It’s easier for a tournament director to sell the idea of sponsorship for future events if the current
event has more players in attendance. Revamping the series is the first step in this to create that incentive to
travel and attend events.
Within the series will come a per player fee. In the past, TD’s have failed to provide money for this. My solution
is a signed contract between the TD and the series. The funds will be used to revamp the website so players
can track standings and a yearend payout for the highest finishers in the divisions. I also would like to add the
intermediate field into the NC Series.
Disc golf is as strong as ever, currently, and I want to make it even stronger. While none of the ideas I’ve
presented are things that haven’t been done in the past, it does recreate something that worked. I love when I
see North Carolina golfers traveling out of state but it pains me when it occurs at the expense of another North
Carolina event. Let’s keep our golfers inside our borders and make our events attractive so other states are
coming here. I believe that the key to this is improving our events and improving our series. I can’t promise you
I will be the best state coordinator we have ever had but I can promise pride and a better experience for you –
the North Carolina Disc Golfer.




Robert, I do want a better experience at sanctioned pdga tournies. You have promised this, but how are you going to do it? Along with the travelling to other areas of NC, how are you going to make that happen? I hear desired outcomes but I don't see anything tangible (like consistent payouts or you get a shot at a free car, whatever) to actually illustrate that you are going to do anything different than what's been done before. Can you give me some of these tangibles that you are going to change?

And can you identify the events you want to have in the point series out of the 50 in NC?

Robert, I do want a better experience at sanctioned pdga tournies. You have promised this, but how are you going to do it? Along with the travelling to other areas of NC, how are you going to make that happen? I hear desired outcomes but I don't see anything tangible (like consistent payouts or you get a shot at a free car, whatever) to actually illustrate that you are going to do anything different than what's been done before. Can you give me some of these tangibles that you are going to change?

And can you identify the events you want to have in the point series out of the 50 in NC?

I believe I have answered your question regarding how I feel my ideas will help NC Disc Golf more than once.

And I clearly stated these ideas are nothing new, simply revamping something that worked in the past.

Once again, I have no control over payouts. I think you think this position is too powerful. Please forward these concerns to the PDGA.

As for the events, I don't know. My plan is to have a committee of 3 - 4 players from different areas of the state to highlight the better events in their area that deserve to be on the series. With my travel cut down in the last few years, it's not fair for me to say yes or no to an event being on the series I've never played. Once these players make their recommendations, I will discuss with the TD the requirements of being on the series and go from there. If there is no desire from that TD, I will move on to other events.

As Weave has stated. I will 2nd that and expand.

Robert (MTL) has always been honest. You may not like his answer, but the truth you will get.

Robert knows a great deal about the system of the PDGA, and how each system operates.

Roberts looks to improve any and all images of NC Disc Golf, to promote our state, and bring in players from other parts of the country. Whom he knows very well.

Robert knows how to run a tnmt from A-Z. His tnmt's are all run with compassion.

Robert is quick to respond to any question I have ever had.

He will be a great State Coordinator.

Polish, have you noticed that you are the ONLY one on here who keeps doubting Roberts ability to be a successful state coordinator? What is your problem?!?!

Polish, have you noticed that you are the ONLY one on here who keeps doubting Roberts ability to be a successful state coordinator? What is your problem?!?!

Einstein, I'm not doubting him at all, I'm asking for clarity. Robert, I too want for it to be more appealable to go to a NC event rather than a SC event. I just don't see anything tangible that you are identifying that is going to entice someone. I've re-read this thread several times. Wanting people to spend their money in NC is great. That doesn't make it happen. I want some specifics on what the NC series criteria is since that should be something you have already established since it is your platform. I might even support you Robert, and it is OK that I want to know some specifics. Ideas are just ideas.

And for everyone else's clarity on where I'm coming from, I already see that we (pdga members) pay a lot to compete in a sport where we as AM's completely keep the professional division alive. It is what it is. In lieu of that, I feel that the state pdga coordinator has an obligation to the pdga state members to support them in having a better experience. Unfortunately, decreasing expenses is a big necessity. This is why I am also against paying another $1 per event, where as the pdga membership fee should cover it just fine or the tournaments sanctioning fees. This is where I feel the state coordinator should be working with the pdga sanctioning agreement and necessary pdga peeps (tour manager?) to make things affordable. Those same fees should also provide you with the other things you mentioned like the website. Like others posted on here, this one already exists and it is the pdga website. Perhaps that could even make this site more popular (win/win). Anyhoot, I think these things are important for the players.

Every state coordinator should be advocates for the players/members of their state. There is no reason the pdga cannot take a paycut on the AM side.

I want a Lake Reidsville Event on the NC Point Series. We run one winter charity event and a summer b tier and a fall b tier. My events are awesome and the course is great. Ask someone and please consider us. Also, we are planning on some new things from 2012 to spice up one of the b tier next year. Thank you for any consideration.

I want a Lake Reidsville Event on the NC Point Series. We run one winter charity event and a summer b tier and a fall b tier. My events are awesome and the course is great. Ask someone and please consider us. Also, we are planning on some new things from 2012 to spice up one of the b tier next year. Thank you for any consideration.


I agree with Tyson. The events out at Lake Reidsville are pretty awesome! The have a solid support from the park and the city!

Great idea Tyson!!

Einstein, I'm not doubting him at all, I'm asking for clarity. Robert, I too want for it to be more appealable to go to a NC event rather than a SC event. I just don't see anything tangible that you are identifying that is going to entice someone. I've re-read this thread several times. Wanting people to spend their money in NC is great. That doesn't make it happen. I want some specifics on what the NC series criteria is since that should be something you have already established since it is your platform. I might even support you Robert, and it is OK that I want to know some specifics. Ideas are just ideas.

OK Polish. You have made your point. Now vote. Pick one. IMO, Roberts actions, and performance, and compassion, and knowledge for the sport speak for itself.

During this campaign, I have traveled to be a spectator at two sold-out PDGA events. At each tournament, I picked a scenic tee pad to watch an entire round, so I could spend some quality time with each group. I saw a lot of PDGA members that I have known for years and I was introduced to many members for the first time. I enjoyed listening to the members as they shared some of their thoughts and feelings. I�d like to thank the members who kindly showed their support for my candidacy. If I am lucky enough to be elected, I promise not to stop listening to the PDGA members of North Carolina. Todd Gillihan #3355

So Craig, I see you giving Rob a hard time after he lays out a solid idea. Sure it's not a finished idea or solid on the numbers, but he has given a plan. Todd has said nothing more than "hey, vote for me." and I dont see you giving him a hard time.

What up?

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The reason I have not proposed any changes is that I believe that despite hard economic times, our PDGA events are thriving in North Carolina. I feel that Mike Norris has done a great job as SC. In the last two years, I have had zero problems with scheduling of the events that I direct, nor have I had heard of problems from other TD’s. Mike achieved this result by ending the “One PDGA Event in NC per weekend Mandate” which I felt was hindering the growth of the PDGA Tour in NC.
I am absolutely opposed to re-starting the NC Championship Series and taxing the PDGA members $1 per player, per event to do it, as Robert Leonard has proposed. I think the NC Championship produces mythical titles at best and is simply not worth the time and expense it takes to run such a series. The proposed tax will take away from the average PDGA member who only enters a handful of events a year, and will award a very few at the top. Worst of all, the Series encourages sand bagging, as in the past some players have tended to stay in a lower division, all year long, just to try to win a title, when they should be moving up to a higher division.
Now is not the time for change but it is the time to keep a steady hand on the wheel.
Todd Gillihan, #3355

Todd,

My question for you is what will you do? All I have seen from you is Mike did this and I don't want to change anything and you don't like what I have proposed. While I don't agree at all with your stance, at least you supported it with a logical argument. I will say I agree that both points you bring up are very logical and no doubt speed bumps. However, the very large benefits of the series far outweigh these small hickups that the series could cause.

So I'm back to my first question. All I know about your campaign is what you have disagreed with about mine.

You and a very small minority my disagree with my stance, but at least I'm putting a stance out there to disagree with. At this time the only thing I can disagree with about your campaign is things you have disagreed with about mine. That is not a campaign. That is a discussion.

I look forward to your response and further debates.

During this campaign, I have traveled to be a spectator at two sold-out PDGA events. At each tournament, I picked a scenic tee pad to watch an entire round, so I could spend some quality time with each group. I saw a lot of PDGA members that I have known for years and I was introduced to many members for the first time. I enjoyed listening to the members as they shared some of their thoughts and feelings. I�d like to thank the members who kindly showed their support for my candidacy. If I am lucky enough to be elected, I promise not to stop listening to the PDGA members of North Carolina. Todd Gillihan #3355

As a PDGA member from North Carolina, I would like to ask a question of you. I'm not asking from a candidate stand point, rather a PDGA member in this state.

What profits do you make when you run events? If profits are made, where do these go and how do they benefit disc golf?

The reason I have not proposed any changes is that I believe that despite hard economic times, our PDGA events are thriving in North Carolina. I feel that Mike Norris has done a great job as SC. In the last two years, I have had zero problems with scheduling of the events that I direct, nor have I had heard of problems from other TD�s. Mike achieved this result by ending the �One PDGA Event in NC per weekend Mandate� which I felt was hindering the growth of the PDGA Tour in NC.


I would like to respond to this.

I am 100% in agreement with the more than one PDGA event in NC rule that Mike changed last year. Should I be elected, this will not change, including when series events are being run.

More events are a good thing and an overloaded calendar is a good problem.

Question: What profits do you make when you run events? Answer: Zero. I have never taken a fee for directing a PDGA event even though the PDGA allows a TD fee to be paid. I have always prepared financial statements that were filed with the PDGA report. I have published these financial statements on our club message board.

I invite all players to please take a look at the financial statement Todd posted in 2009 after the Horizon's park classic.

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcdiscgolf/message/75

As you can see, the total number at the bottom does represent "no profit" being made. However I have a few things I would like to point out.

1. Todd is showing over 500 dollars of sponsorship. Wow that's fantastic! And while there are certainly needed fees for things such as trophies, paying out LESS than 100% in BOTH pro and amateur divisions is unacceptable.

2. The payout in amateur divisions and the cost of the plastic, while it doesn't add up equally as shown in number 1, are pretty close. But this is retail prices, not what Todd or any other TD paid. As someone who has played this event in the past, I'm assuming Innova was the type of plastic purchased. When purchasing for events, Innova charges no more than 10 dollars for any disc and that disc is paid out for 17. That's profit even though the numbers say it's "even"

I truly believe Todd runs tournaments for profit and makes good money off of it. I will stress this is not an accusation rather than an opinion.

So I ask the voters this. When you look at this payout from a Todd event (http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/14356) and then compare it to my payout (and amateurs received a 25 dollar player pack) (http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/70194) ask yourself one question.

Who really is interested in making the tournament experience for YOU the NC golfer better? Myself, or Todd.

I will represent the PDGA in a positive light and professional manner to members, club, agencies, and communities in North Carolina.
I will work with tournament directors and clubs in North Carolina and adjoining States, to schedule PDGA tour and other disc golf events.
I will serve as North Carolina�s liaison to the PDGA tour manager in coordinating the tour schedule and in addressing and resolving tour event issues.
I will collect information for the PDGA Course Directory and the Course Evaluation system.
I will promote PDGA membership and PDGA programs to the members and potential members in North Carolina.
I will provide feedback on the annual Tour Standards to the Tour Manager.
I will coordinate North Carolina�s qualification for events such as the USDGC, USADGC, and other qualified-entry tournaments.
I will vote for and recommend candidates for select annual PDGA Awards.
I will perform other duties as determined by the PDGA board and staff.
Todd Gillihan, #3355

I will represent the PDGA in a positive light and professional manner to members, club, agencies, and communities in North Carolina.
I will work with tournament directors and clubs in North Carolina and adjoining States, to schedule PDGA tour and other disc golf events.
I will serve as North Carolina�s liaison to the PDGA tour manager in coordinating the tour schedule and in addressing and resolving tour event issues.
I will collect information for the PDGA Course Directory and the Course Evaluation system.
I will promote PDGA membership and PDGA programs to the members and potential members in North Carolina.
I will provide feedback on the annual Tour Standards to the Tour Manager.
I will coordinate North Carolina�s qualification for events such as the USDGC, USADGC, and other qualified-entry tournaments.
I will vote for and recommend candidates for select annual PDGA Awards.
I will perform other duties as determined by the PDGA board and staff.
Todd Gillihan, #3355

This was simply copied and pasted from the PDGA's list of duties for the position. This doesn't in anyway explain what will be done to improve disc golf in NC. That is still my question. What will you do to improve disc golf in NC?

Wow. It sure seems like you've been planning your rebuttals waiting for a chance to jump on ToddinNC. Simmer down and let the players ask some questions.

Fair enough.

I shall cease. My point has been made. But I haven't planned rebuttals. It's really easy to find information on the internet...

Wow. It sure seems like you've been planning your rebuttals waiting for a chance to jump on ToddinNC. Simmer down and let the players ask some questions.

As a player in NC I believe Robert to be addressing a lot of the common concerns that I have heard that most of the players have with Todd. Profit is definately one of them, attitude is another. Todd applies for this position every time it is availible without much input besides " I would do a good job".

Also keep in mind that Robert is ALSO a player in NC and if Todd wins it would effect him too. So he has just as much right to ask for Todd's ideas and plan for us to grow as a state as I do.

Robert: You asked me what I am going to do so I told you. Now would you please get off of my back and try to run a positive campaign? Last Saturday, my Wife and I traveled to Raleigh to be spectators at the PDGA event you were directing. After the round, I wanted to say hello to you and introduce my Wife. When you saw us coming, you threw your things in the back of your SUV and left the Tournament Area. You did not even look at us as you drove past us in the parking lot. My Wife doesn’t understand how anyone can vote for some one who acted as rude as you did towards us. At the very least you owe her an apology as she has never ****** in your soda as apparently I have.
Todd Gillihan, #3355

Robert: You asked me what I am going to do so I told you. Now would you please get off of my back and try to run a positive campaign? Last Saturday, my Wife and I traveled to Raleigh to be spectators at the PDGA event you were directing. After the round, I wanted to say hello to you and introduce my Wife. When you saw us coming, you threw your things in the back of your SUV and left the Tournament Area. You did not even look at us as you drove past us in the parking lot. My Wife doesn’t understand how anyone can vote for some one who acted as rude as you did towards us. At the very least you owe her an apology as she has never ****** in your soda as apparently I have.
Todd Gillihan, #3355

I didn't even know you were there until you posted this on facebook.

Your own words were "you did not even look at us as you drove past us." Could it be I had no idea you were there? Where were you? The parking lot talking to people? I really have no clue. As I leaving the park I was busy texting all players regarding tournament information, a feature I used this weekend for the first time in NC history, to my knowledge.

If you wanted to talk with me and meet your wife, why did you not call me? My number is very visible on this site. How about an email? Or a PM? Or since you saw me, why did you not come up to me?

I would have loved to meet your wife. I apologize if I offended you or her, but it was honestly nothing more than an honest mistake. I was very busy trying to get home to get all the things done for the tournament before 7 PM as my mom was making dinner for me and some friends. Once again, no intent to "ignore" you, I simply didn't see you and I apologize for any ill feelings. Just an honest mistake.

Yeah right�I was looking right at you when you first saw me as I returned to the parking lot to get our lunch before the round started. Kentwood is a very small park and you had to have heard us as we cheered players when they made a nice putt or drive. I�m sure news of our presence, spread around the course like wildfire.
After the round we played a few holes to finish our game that we started before the round. When you saw us after the round, you acted like you saw a ghost and ran like the cyber bully you are when confronted. After you were safely past us in the parking lot you stopped for a minute to talk to some players, but never got out of your SUV. We were right in your rear view mirror the whole time you talked to them, so you had to have seen my Wife and I standing next to our white convertible with the top down, and no other cars around us. Now you are claiming that you didn�t know were there until I posted it on-line? Come on now, tell us another story. Todd Gillihan #3355.

I didn't even know you were there until you posted this on facebook.

Your own words were "you did not even look at us as you drove past us." Could it be I had no idea you were there? Where were you? The parking lot talking to people? I really have no clue. As I leaving the park I was busy texting all players regarding tournament information, a feature I used this weekend for the first time in NC history, to my knowledge.

If you wanted to talk with me and meet your wife, why did you not call me? My number is very visible on this site. How about an email? Or a PM? Or since you saw me, why did you not come up to me?

I would have loved to meet your wife. I apologize if I offended you or her, but it was honestly nothing more than an honest mistake. I was very busy trying to get home to get all the things done for the tournament before 7 PM as my mom was making dinner for me and some friends. Once again, no intent to "ignore" you, I simply didn't see you and I apologize for any ill feelings. Just an honest mistake.


Kind of like ignoring that Park and Rec spent big money to renovate a park and put in new grass only to have you destroy it intentionally. Honest mistake too?


Max, at this time I don't have any questions for either, since Robert won't answer the questions I have posted, and Todd hasn't proposed anything that I have a question about. I am not sure who to vote for, and honestly just hope that the CDGC doesn't buy into anything where the player gets screwed and incurs an expense for no reason. Robert really wants this to happen to grow NC disc golf. NC disc golf is doing fine, and probably growing at a rate faster than the majority of the country. We as players do not need to give the pdga money to make this continue.


Robert, why did you destroy the work park and rec did? Are you going to pay for the repairs?

Kind of like ignoring that Park and Rec spent big money to renovate a park and put in new grass only to have you destroy it intentionally. Honest mistake too?


Robert, why did you destroy the work park and rec did? Are you going to pay for the repairs?

This comment is so ignorant it's not even funny. You were not even there. It's not even worth replying to.

I invite all players to please take a look at the financial statement Todd posted in 2009 after the Horizon's park classic.

http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/fcdiscgolf/message/75

As you can see, the total number at the bottom does represent "no profit" being made. However I have a few things I would like to point out.

1. Todd is showing over 500 dollars of sponsorship. Wow that's fantastic! And while there are certainly needed fees for things such as trophies, paying out LESS than 100% in BOTH pro and amateur divisions is unacceptable.

2. The payout in amateur divisions and the cost of the plastic, while it doesn't add up equally as shown in number 1, are pretty close. But this is retail prices, not what Todd or any other TD paid. As someone who has played this event in the past, I'm assuming Innova was the type of plastic purchased. When purchasing for events, Innova charges no more than 10 dollars for any disc and that disc is paid out for 17. That's profit even though the numbers say it's "even"

I truly believe Todd runs tournaments for profit and makes good money off of it. I will stress this is not an accusation rather than an opinion.

So I ask the voters this. When you look at this payout from a Todd event (http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/14356) and then compare it to my payout (and amateurs received a 25 dollar player pack) (http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/70194) ask yourself one question.

Who really is interested in making the tournament experience for YOU the NC golfer better? Myself, or Todd.



Robert,
Didn't you at one time not so long ago fraud the PDGA? Do you remember when you created a fictitious account on the pdga message board and harassed people for no reason? Do you remember some of the nasty things you said to people on here? Do you remember how you lied to the pdga members using the board? Do you remember how you lied to the then pdga BOD? Do you remember how you decieved them? Do you remember how you then tried to sell pdga property on ebay so that someone else could continue to provide a negative experience to the paid pdga members that used the discussion bored back then? Perhaps the initial question I posed to you regarding your ability to be fair and responsible is more valid than ever.

This comment is so ignorant it's not even funny. You were not even there. It's not even worth replying to.



So you are saying that because you destroyed the grass it is OK? I may not have been there, but regardless if it was you or MJ, I would not support you destroying park property. Seriously, are you financially rectifying what you did?

Lots of ignorance going on in this thread. Considering it's from two people who cause more headaches for disc golfers in NC that pretty much the rest of the state combined, can't say I'm surprised.

If anyone has questions regarding the coordinator spot, please ask. Otherwise, vote!

Lots of ignorance going on in this thread. Considering it's from two people who cause more headaches for disc golfers in NC that pretty much the rest of the state combined, can't say I'm surprised.

If anyone has questions regarding the coordinator spot, please ask. Otherwise, vote!



So you are denying destroying park property at Zebulon and the fraud/deciept/lying/theft of services from the pdga?

Craig, shut up. I was there, Rob didn't destroy anything. He didn't have a very bright moment when he drove on the new grass, but it will grow back. Are you really the best person to be lecturing Rob on ethical behavior?

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Craig, shut up. I was there, Rob didn't destroy anything. He didn't have a very bright moment when he drove on the new grass, but it will grow back. Are you really the best person to be lecturing Rob on ethical behavior?

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Why didn't he own up to it then? A SC should have integrity at a minimum. There is no integrity in denying you did something, then calling someone ignorant for not supporting the lack of integrity. Depending on the subject, I can give you some lecturing on ethical behavior. What subjects did you have in mind?

Craig is not running for office, Robert is. Craig has the right to ask any questions he has and receive a logical reply. Todd Gillihan #3355

He did something that wasn't very smart, he didn't do anything that was wrong. If he didn't do anything wrong what does he have to own up to? He probably decided to ignore your post due to the ignorance of it, since you clearly were not at Zeb Sunday morning, IMO.

I've always wondered what leads people to "do as I say, not as I do". Like mentors and therapist of children that do drugs.

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Craig you asked if I was going to pay for the destroyed grass. There is NO grass destroyed. Thus, your ignorance.

But I'll play ball. No Craig, The city has inspected the area and has agreed there is no damage to the grass. So, no, I will not be paying the city of Zebulon to repair grass that doesn't need repairing.

Craig you asked if I was going to pay for the destroyed grass. There is NO grass destroyed. Thus, your ignorance.

Robert, Max cited that the grass will have to grow back, and that is again only a possible plan that hopes a solution will come to fruition rather than ensuring the damage is fixed. Survey says: You did something that caused damage and denied it.


I've always wondered what leads people to "do as I say, not as I do". Like mentors and therapist of children that do drugs. - Max Crotts

Max, are you accusing me of doing drugs? Are you accusing me of doing drugs with children I work with? Can you identify the drugs you are accusing me of doing/doing with children I work with please. I would like a chance to be able to defend myself here, but I need some more info. BTW, pharmaceutical prescriptions are the most abused drugs there are in the world. I know of some prominent NC discers that are doctors that have prescribed medication to other discers on the spot. Should we bring them into this discussion too Max?

Robert,
Didn't you at one time not so long ago fraud the PDGA? Do you remember when you created a fictitious account on the pdga message board and harassed people for no reason? Do you remember some of the nasty things you said to people on here? Do you remember how you lied to the pdga members using the board? Do you remember how you lied to the then pdga BOD? Do you remember how you decieved them? Do you remember how you then tried to sell pdga property on ebay so that someone else could continue to provide a negative experience to the paid pdga members that used the discussion bored back then? Perhaps the initial question I posed to you regarding your ability to be fair and responsible is more valid than ever.


Still waiting for an answer Robert.

Still waiting for an answer Robert.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ignorance

Discussing this with you craig is not worth your vote.

Please vote for Todd.

Robert,
Didn't you at one time not so long ago fraud the PDGA? Do you remember when you created a fictitious account on the pdga message board and harassed people for no reason? Do you remember some of the nasty things you said to people on here? Do you remember how you lied to the pdga members using the board? Do you remember how you lied to the then pdga BOD? Do you remember how you decieved them? Do you remember how you then tried to sell pdga property on ebay so that someone else could continue to provide a negative experience to the paid pdga members that used the discussion bored back then? Perhaps the initial question I posed to you regarding your ability to be fair and responsible is more valid than ever.

Robert, the link you posted I can't open. What does it say?

Discussing this with you craig is not worth your vote.

Please vote for Todd.





Robert, I would welcome you to discuss this in this already existing public forum. You are avoiding doing so. Why should I vote for Todd?

Robert,
Didn't you at one time not so long ago fraud the PDGA? Do you remember when you created a fictitious account on the pdga message board and harassed people for no reason? Do you remember some of the nasty things you said to people on here? Do you remember how you lied to the pdga members using the board? Do you remember how you lied to the then pdga BOD? Do you remember how you decieved them? Do you remember how you then tried to sell pdga property on ebay so that someone else could continue to provide a negative experience to the paid pdga members that used the discussion bored back then? Perhaps the initial question I posed to you regarding your ability to be fair and responsible is more valid than ever.

Did I accuse you of anything? NO. You said you could lecture us on ethics, I provided a topic and an example. Unlike some on this thread I will not make accusations without proof and backing.

If you feel a personal relation to the example provided, that is a personal problem.

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Robert, I would welcome you to discuss this in this already existing public forum. You are avoiding doing so. Why should I vote for Todd?



I don't know why you or anyone should vote for Todd because all I read is "he will do a good job" and he has yet to say how or why.

At this point, I don't care what you do. You have caused me more headaches in the past than I care to mention. You, along with my candidate and one other person, are the only disc golfers I REFUSE to be friends with on facebook because I don't want anything to do with you. I don't you reading about my life. I don't want you knowing what I'm doing. To put it bluntly, if I never saw you again, my life would be fine.

I know that since you have very little to do now that you have been banned from your very own club's discussion board for basically the same crap you are doing here, you don't have much to do. And I know you get off on stuff like this. People you claim are your friends have told me such.

At this point, I am done debating with you. I honestly could care less what you do with your vote. I have PLENTY of people supporting me.

Robert,

Just a suggestion. Drop out of the election and take your talent and passion and use it somewhere else. You will get a lot more satisfaction out of it and a lot less stress. There are no benefits of being a SC and the headaches don't stop. All people do is *****! I'm serving out the rest of my term and not running next year.

Good luck!
Brett

Did I accuse you of anything? NO. You said you could lecture us on ethics, I provided a topic and an example. Unlike some on this thread I will not make accusations without proof and backing.

If you feel a personal relation to the example provided, that is a personal problem.

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I'll take ownership then Max and apologize for thinking the comment was directed at me. I do feel a personal relation to the example provided. Drugs are both good and bad. In my field, it is very easy to see. PDGA tournaments are another good example of seeing the causal comparative outcomes of drug use in regards to performance and expectations. Heck, the past and current ED of PDGA have some personal relation to it as well. And like you Max, I know the proof and backing to be true.

I don't know why you or anyone should vote for Todd because all I read is "he will do a good job" and he has yet to say how or why.

At this point, I don't care what you do. You have caused me more headaches in the past than I care to mention. You, along with my candidate and one other person, are the only disc golfers I REFUSE to be friends with on facebook because I don't want anything to do with you. I don't you reading about my life. I don't want you knowing what I'm doing. To put it bluntly, if I never saw you again, my life would be fine.

I know that since you have very little to do now that you have been banned from your very own club's discussion board for basically the same crap you are doing here, you don't have much to do. And I know you get off on stuff like this. People you claim are your friends have told me such.

At this point, I am done debating with you. I honestly could care less what you do with your vote. I have PLENTY of people supporting me.



I am proud that I am currently under suspension from posting on the CDGC board for asking in a not so delicate way about financial information. It is what it is. Non-profits are supposed to provide financial information in order to sustain the criteria for tax purposes etc.. Heading into the 2012 Worlds, that information needs to be taken seriously. We have a lot of issues in NC with tax fraud, embezzlement, etc. with non-profits. I for one do not want my home club to ever have to be categorized with some of the other DB non-profits that have exploited things in NC. I'll be back on there soon enough, and I'll get the information I need. I'm OK with that.


Robert,
Didn't you at one time not so long ago fraud the PDGA? Do you remember when you created a fictitious account on the pdga message board and harassed people for no reason? Do you remember some of the nasty things you said to people on here? Do you remember how you lied to the pdga members using the board? Do you remember how you lied to the then pdga BOD? Do you remember how you decieved them? Do you remember how you then tried to sell pdga property on ebay so that someone else could continue to provide a negative experience to the paid pdga members that used the discussion bored back then? Perhaps the initial question I posed to you regarding your ability to be fair and responsible is more valid than ever.

And, back to serious talk.

NC Points Series. Stop referring to it as a tax on competitors, it is a tax on TD's who CHOOSE to be a part of the series. I'm in favor of the series, but believe a few changes should be done. In the past it was not a highlighted feature of events, it was just something added. Here are some things I would like to see:

-Require TD's to sign an agreement to: promote the series, link to the Series website, include in all fliers, pay all fees, etc.(suggestions?) Also include penalties for failure to do so, like refusal to sanction future events by that TD if they dont pay fees.
-SC needs to have series schedule finalized by beginning of season, give players time to plan for the series.
-Have payout posted by start of series, obviously not exact numbers but the number of spots payed and the % payout. (1st place 25%, 10th place 5% of fees collected)

: ) :

And, back to serious talk.

NC Points Series. Stop referring to it as a tax on competitors, it is a tax on TD's who CHOOSE to be a part of the series. I'm in favor of the series, but believe a few changes should be done. In the past it was not a highlighted feature of events, it was just something added. Here are some things I would like to see:

-Require TD's to sign an agreement to: promote the series, link to the Series website, include in all fliers, pay all fees, etc.(suggestions?) Also include penalties for failure to do so, like refusal to sanction future events by that TD if they dont pay fees.
-SC needs to have series schedule finalized by beginning of season, give players time to plan for the series.
-Have payout posted by start of series, obviously not exact numbers but the number of spots payed and the % payout. (1st place 25%, 10th place 5% of fees collected)

: ) :

Great post Max.

As stated in my candidate statement, I will have a signed agreemetn between TD's and myself for the fees. Also, I will have a website set up.

The series will be published in January at the start of the calender year. In a perfect world we have 4 - 5 events in each region of the state, but it will depend on the TD's who want to be in it. I will layout a plan A of the events I would like on the series and go over with players in that region to ensure these are the best events for that area. I will then contact those TD's and if they do not want to be on the series will try to find other events in the area. If I can't, I will speak with TD's interested in being on the series regardless of location.

And I like your payout idea. That is something I would have published ahead of time.

Craig has brought up the point of publication of financial information of PDGA events. If elected, I would encourage TD�s to complete the PDGA Tour Event Financial Summary that is included with their TD report, even though this report is only required of A Tier events. Furthermore, I would encourage TD�s to make their report public by posting it on their local internet medium. Todd Gillihan #3355

And, back to serious talk.

NC Points Series. Stop referring to it as a tax on competitors, it is a tax on TD's who CHOOSE to be a part of the series. I'm in favor of the series, but believe a few changes should be done. In the past it was not a highlighted feature of events, it was just something added. Here are some things I would like to see:

-Require TD's to sign an agreement to: promote the series, link to the Series website, include in all fliers, pay all fees, etc.(suggestions?) Also include penalties for failure to do so, like refusal to sanction future events by that TD if they dont pay fees.
-SC needs to have series schedule finalized by beginning of season, give players time to plan for the series.
-Have payout posted by start of series, obviously not exact numbers but the number of spots payed and the % payout. (1st place 25%, 10th place 5% of fees collected)

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Good post Max. I asked these questions already and got the run around. I am glad you are persistent.

Robert, why make a new website when the pdga one is working fine? What are the events being used in the series you propose for 2012? How will the money be monitored/managed and by whom? Robert, Didn't you at one time not so long ago fraud the PDGA? Do you remember when you created a fictitious account on the pdga message board and harassed people for no reason? Do you remember some of the nasty things you said to people on here? Do you remember how you lied to the pdga members using the board? Do you remember how you lied to the then pdga BOD? Do you remember how you decieved them? Do you remember how you then tried to sell pdga property on ebay so that someone else could continue to provide a negative experience to the paid pdga members that used the discussion bored back then? Perhaps the initial question I posed to you regarding your ability to be fair and responsible is more valid than ever.

I am proud that I am currently under suspension from posting on the CDGC board for asking in a not so delicate way about financial information.


Are you sure this was the only reason? I seem to remember an extreme attack on a certain "charity" event that went way overboard. so much to the point that i put my two cents in and it was quickly removed as were all of your posts on the issue. Do you think it could be that you do nothing to add to a thread but are the definition of a troll? all I have seen in this thread as well as any that you post in is mudslinging, accusations, and constant antagonizing of whoever you are stalking at the moment. I would be lying if i said it wasnt entertaining but in a train crash sort of way.

Are you sure this was the only reason? I seem to remember an extreme attack on a certain "charity" event that went way overboard. so much to the point that i put my two cents in and it was quickly removed as were all of your posts on the issue. Do you think it could be that you do nothing to add to a thread but are the definition of a troll? all I have seen in this thread as well as any that you post in is mudslinging, accusations, and constant antagonizing of whoever you are stalking at the moment. I would be lying if i said it wasnt entertaining but in a train crash sort of way.

Yes I am sure about what I got suspended for. If you are talking about the Chuckers league, I still think those poor discers are getting duped by having to buy a membership into a league of the CDGC that they are already a member of and that they don't provide financial information at all. Someone made a lot of money down there at the Chuckers League, and it wasn't the CDGC.

Robert charging the pdga members another $1 tax each event to be a part of the nc series is the same thing. We pay membership to the pdga and that is enough.

Yes I am sure about what I got suspended for. If you are talking about the Chuckers league, I still think those poor discers are getting duped by having to buy a membership into a league of the CDGC that they are already a member of and that they don't provide financial information at all. Someone made a lot of money down there at the Chuckers League, and it wasn't the CDGC.

Robert charging the pdga members another $1 tax each event to be a part of the nc series is the same thing. We pay membership to the pdga and that is enough.

I was reffering to the Charity event that may have been ran by a Chucker. it was a kids charity and that was the point. you tried to make it about you. this is besides the point. the 1$ tax as you call it is never really felt by the players. an event that costs $30 now will not be $31 next year. it will be $30. and having a points series creates a strong desire in a lot of players to try and win the series. here in SC we have had one for a long time. a few of your NC brethren have participated and i believe MJ won it last year for OPEN. if players from your own state are playing in a series in another state. i would say its a positive thing. especially when he is possibly the best player in your state.

It is not a tax on the player, it is a tax on the TD. If they add that dollar to the entry fee, that is their decision. They choose to be a part of the NCPS, you can choose to play or not.

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I was reffering to the Charity event that may have been ran by a Chucker. it was a kids charity and that was the point. you tried to make it about you. this is besides the point. the 1$ tax as you call it is never really felt by the players. an event that costs $30 now will not be $31 next year. it will be $30. and having a points series creates a strong desire in a lot of players to try and win the series. here in SC we have had one for a long time. a few of your NC brethren have participated and i believe MJ won it last year for OPEN. if players from your own state are playing in a series in another state. i would say its a positive thing. especially when he is possibly the best player in your state.

That "charity" event was never about me, never was, and never will be. Try again. Since you know so much about what the "charity" event did, why did the organizers lie to the local chapter of Make a Wish that is a mile from the event? Can I see the financials?

the 1$ tax as you call it is never really felt by the players. An event that costs $30 now will not be $31 next year. It will be $30. And having a points series creates a strong desire in a lot of players to try and win the series. Here in sc we have had one for a long time. A few of your nc brethren have participated and i believe mj won it last year for open. If players from your own state are playing in a series in another state. I would say its a positive thing. Especially when he is possibly the best player in your state.

ding ding ding!!!

NO NEW TAXES!!!!!

Todd Gillihan #3355

That "charity" event was never about me, never was, and never will be. Try again. Since you know so much about what the "charity" event did, why did the organizers lie to the local chapter of Make a Wish that is a mile from the event? Can I see the financials?

I never claimed to know about the event per se. just that you were just going on and on and on on the thread for an event that was supposed to be about the kids. and I have no clue why the Make a wish locally was lied to. maybe the one that recieved the donations was more in need. i dont know nor do i care. all I know is that when you clutter up a thread that is supposed to be about a charity with threats and negativity it just paints a very dark picture. one i have noticed you desperately want to improve. so be proactive. be positive. dont always try to destroy. try creating instead. much more rewarding.

NO NEW TAXES!!!!!

Todd Gillihan #3355

Irony: Todd oposses the dollar fee to keep money in the tournament, yet has the worst payouts of all NC events.

Irony: Todd oposses the dollar fee to keep money in the tournament, yet has the worst payouts of all NC events.

The fee is for TDs. I know that has been said already. the only advice I can give is to limit the number of events. too many events can dilute the interest. make sure the courses and TDs involved are good. and the events are chosen on those criteria. there are a couple of events in our series that I will never play. one has a lousy course and payout. the other has the worst TD ever!* and a crap payout.


*by definition this particular TD has a 35 min players meeting and a 45 min awards ceremony. the payout sux. he keeps the ace pool. etc. etc. etc. It is really sad because the course is awesome. hopefully soon he will no longer be able to monopolize that gem of a course.

I never claimed to know about the event per se. just that you were just going on and on and on on the thread for an event that was supposed to be about the kids. and I have no clue why the Make a wish locally was lied to. maybe the one that recieved the donations was more in need. i dont know nor do i care. all I know is that when you clutter up a thread that is supposed to be about a charity with threats and negativity it just paints a very dark picture. one i have noticed you desperately want to improve. so be proactive. be positive. dont always try to destroy. try creating instead. much more rewarding.

Support of the local make a wish foundation is very positive. Lying to them and not following make a wish non-profit procedures by law is not positive. What were these threats you are alleging? If you ask me, cluttering up a charity tourney with smoke and no transparency is the bigger crime. How much should the kids have gotten? How much did they actually get?

Disc golf is a money maker at the AM level. Until tighter monitoring and transparency is consistent, someone will always be able to abuse the system. This is what I am advocating against. The $1 tax being imposed by MTL is the same thing. It is like joining a chuckers league inside of the pdga that already exists and govers with a sanctioning agreement. Explain to me how the new tax is going to be accounted for in the MTL NC series and in the existing sanctioning agreement? And while your at it, tell me the events it will be a part of?

Irony: Todd oposses the dollar fee to keep money in the tournament, yet has the worst payouts of all NC events.

The title belongs to us here in the QC. I would say three years running.

I didn't even know you were there until you posted this on facebook.

Your own words were "you did not even look at us as you drove past us." Could it be I had no idea you were there? Where were you? The parking lot talking to people? I really have no clue. As I leaving the park I was busy texting all players regarding tournament information, a feature I used this weekend for the first time in NC history, to my knowledge.

If you wanted to talk with me and meet your wife, why did you not call me? My number is very visible on this site. How about an email? Or a PM? Or since you saw me, why did you not come up to me?

I would have loved to meet your wife. I apologize if I offended you or her, but it was honestly nothing more than an honest mistake. I was very busy trying to get home to get all the things done for the tournament before 7 PM as my mom was making dinner for me and some friends. Once again, no intent to "ignore" you, I simply didn't see you and I apologize for any ill feelings. Just an honest mistake.

Are you admitting to texting while driving through a crowded parking lot? Surely someone in a SC position would have better sense than risking injury to a child because he can't leave the electronics alone while driving:mad:.

Support of the local make a wish foundation is very positive. Lying to them and not following make a wish non-profit procedures by law is not positive. What were these threats you are alleging? If you ask me, cluttering up a charity tourney with smoke and no transparency is the bigger crime. How much should the kids have gotten? How much did they actually get?

Disc golf is a money maker at the AM level. Until tighter monitoring and transparency is consistent, someone will always be able to abuse the system. This is what I am advocating against. The $1 tax being imposed by MTL is the same thing. It is like joining a chuckers league inside of the pdga that already exists and govers with a sanctioning agreement. Explain to me how the new tax is going to be accounted for in the MTL NC series and in the existing sanctioning agreement? And while your at it, tell me the events it will be a part of?

I am going to address what I do know.

- I dont know why they chose a charity chapter in another state. I am sure there was a good reason and nonetheless kids were helped. that is the bottom line.

- I dont disagree that we need closer monitoring of the financials. a $1 tax that the players will never feel is not an issue. i have played in a bunch of the SC tournaments and not once did i say, "Man, I really got hosed by that TD. he made me pay a dollar." the tournament cost is the same to the player. the TD just has to pay the dollar to cover costs of trophies, time, prizes etc for the series.

-Since i am not the SC nor do i live in NC i cannot tell you which events are included. i can say that if you had a point series and it was at courses i enjoy i may choose to play your series over my own.

Are you admitting to texting while driving through a crowded parking lot? Surely someone in a SC position would have better sense than risking injury to a child because he can't leave the electronics alone while driving:mad:.

There were maybe 7 cars in the parking lot and it's a big lot. I certainly wouldn't use the word "crowded" at the time.

I am going to address what I do know.

- I dont know why they chose a charity chapter in another state. I am sure there was a good reason and nonetheless kids were helped. that is the bottom line.

- I dont disagree that we need closer monitoring of the financials. a $1 tax that the players will never feel is not an issue. i have played in a bunch of the SC tournaments and not once did i say, "Man, I really got hosed by that TD. he made me pay a dollar." the tournament cost is the same to the player. the TD just has to pay the dollar to cover costs of trophies, time, prizes etc for the series.

-Since i am not the SC nor do i live in NC i cannot tell you which events are included. i can say that if you had a point series and it was at courses i enjoy i may choose to play your series over my own.

http://www.wbtv.com/story/13520920/former-non-profit-exec-indicted-on-embezzlement-charges?redirected=true

Nonetheless kids were helped. That is the bottom line right?

The $1 tax being imposed by MTL is the same thing. It is like joining a chuckers league inside of the pdga that already exists and govers with a sanctioning agreement. Explain to me how the new tax is going to be accounted for in the MTL NC series and in the existing sanctioning agreement? And while your at it, tell me the events it will be a part of?

These questions have been answered mulitple times in this thread. However you might have trouble finding it, though, because you have clogged up the thread with a bunch of lies and crap.

Get a life man. And I hope you find that life in another state.

Are you admitting to texting while driving through a crowded parking lot? Surely someone in a SC position would have better sense than risking injury to a child because he can't leave the electronics alone while driving:mad:.

Wow, this thread has officially hit rock bottom. People are looking now for any excuse they can to sling mud at the candidates. :(

Wow, this thread has officially hit rock bottom. People are looking now for any excuse they can to sling mud at the candidates. :(

Wow Jeff, as much as I may not agree with you all the time, I never thought in my wildest dreams you would support someone to text and drive and possibly run over a person/cause an accident. I'm bummed you see that safety concern for the general public as insignificant or rock bottom.

These questions have been answered mulitple times in this thread. However you might have trouble finding it, though, because you have clogged up the thread with a bunch of lies and crap.

Get a life man. And I hope you find that life in another state.

I'm rubber and your glue (glue for you may be gravy, ketchup, mayo, or whatever else you just ate).

Robert,
Didn't you at one time not so long ago fraud the PDGA? Do you remember when you created a fictitious account on the pdga message board and harassed people for no reason? Do you remember some of the nasty things you said to people on here? Do you remember how you lied to the pdga members using the board? Do you remember how you lied to the then pdga BOD? Do you remember how you decieved them? Do you remember how you then tried to sell pdga property on ebay so that someone else could continue to provide a negative experience to the paid pdga members that used the discussion bored back then? Perhaps the initial question I posed to you regarding your ability to be fair and responsible is more valid than ever.

Answer these questions with honesty.

Wow Jeff, as much as I may not agree with you all the time, I never thought in my wildest dreams you would support someone to text and drive and possibly run over a person/cause an accident. I'm bummed you see that safety concern for the general public as insignificant or rock bottom.

Oh give it a rest man. You know exactly what is going on here.

I'm not a NC resident and have no dog in this race. I am making a simple comment that the lengths folks are going to in order to sling mud at each other over a simple State Coordinator election is about as ridiculous as it gets. http://www.pdga.com/discussion/images/icons/icon13.gif

Oh give it a rest man. You know exactly what is going on here.

I'm not a NC resident and have no dog in this race. I am making a simple comment that the lengths folks are going to in order to sling mud at each other over a simple State Coordinator election is about as ridiculous as it gets. http://www.pdga.com/discussion/images/icons/icon13.gif

So you are against texting/driving/killing then. Good man!

I was there and Robert did not appear to be texting while driving. I did find it odd that Robert could claim to count the number of cars in the parking lot, and not to see a Man and a Women leaning up against their white convertible with the top down.
Robert, all I wanted was to meet with you to shake hands and pledge that no matter who wins the election we would work together to best serve the PDGA Members of North Carolina.

Todd Gillihan #3355

http://www.wbtv.com/story/13520920/former-non-profit-exec-indicted-on-embezzlement-charges?redirected=true

Nonetheless kids were helped. That is the bottom line right?

How does that relate to the Make a Wish Charity tournament that occurred? is there evidence of such despicable acts being done at this event or with its proceeds? if not, then I am not sure of the relevance of that article. are you accusing them of stealing all the money? im sure they would like to know that directly.

How does that relate to the Make a Wish Charity tournament that occurred? is there evidence of such despicable acts being done at this event or with its proceeds? if not, then I am not sure of the relevance of that article. are you accusing them of stealing all the money? im sure they would like to know that directly.

You said nonetheless children were helped, that is the bottom line. The guy I posted about helped a lot of kids too. Relevance accomplished.

Once again Todd, I didn't see you. All I have is my word and apoliogy. You can choose to accept either both or neither. Either way, my conscious is clear.

And some of this is on you. You didn't come up to me either. It's pretty clear that the tournament director would be at tournament central.

But we are splitting hairs at this point. If you and your wife want to refuse my explination and apology, you have that right. But if you want to have the most important position in this state, you better get thicker skin about really silly things like this.

You said nonetheless children were helped, that is the bottom line. The guy I posted about helped a lot of kids too. Relevance accomplished.

all you have done is speculate. just because some DB decided to screw over some poor kids does not equate to a DG tournament being run with the purpose of lining someones pockets. i know better than to try and reason with you but I honestly have nothing better to do. if you think something was fishy than DO something about it. dont whine and moan about it like the kids you are supposedly so interested in helping. or better yet... run your own Charity tournament and stop relying on others to do something you obviously feel very strong about. because this is about the kids? right Craig?

I apologize if it appears that i have hijacked this thread but i couldnt listen to the nonsense anymore. i think you have enough support to win and if I was in NC would vote for you.

If the NC Point Series Does Happen, I would like to see the state broke into 5 regions vs. 3. Coastal/Sandhills, Raleigh, Triad, Charlotte and Mountains...Raleigh, Triad and Charlotte have more than enough good tourneys to meet this requirement.

Also, do the candidates see the schedule having to be revamped with the 2012 worlds coming to town, I mean that is two weekends that will need to focus on the Charlotte area, what is expected to happen to the tourneys that occur during or around these dates?

all you have done is speculate. just because some DB decided to screw over some poor kids does not equate to a DG tournament being run with the purpose of lining someones pockets. i know better than to try and reason with you but I honestly have nothing better to do. if you think something was fishy than DO something about it. dont whine and moan about it like the kids you are supposedly so interested in helping. or better yet... run your own Charity tournament and stop relying on others to do something you obviously feel very strong about. because this is about the kids? right Craig?

I have yet to see the financials for the event you are referring to Rob, so I will not make that accusation. I guess I can inform the IRS if you really think that would be best, although with the NC local chapter aware and being concerned as well, I'm fine with them being in control of how they address/ed it. As for my personal investment into charities, I am selective, even more so in recent years do to such discrepencies/fraud/embezzlement/etc., but do give quite a bit in either financial or direct service. I'm cool with that.

If the NC Point Series Does Happen, I would like to see the state broke into 5 regions vs. 3. Coastal/Sandhills, Raleigh, Triad, Charlotte and Mountains...Raleigh, Triad and Charlotte have more than enough good tourneys to meet this requirement.

Also, do the candidates see the schedule having to be revamped with the 2012 worlds coming to town, I mean that is two weekends that will need to focus on the Charlotte area, what is expected to happen to the tourneys that occur during or around these dates?

The Charlotte worlds certainly presents a challenge. The only way is an overlap.

I personally plan on the Midtown Chiropractic Raleigh Disc Golf Championship being an A Tier the weekend after worlds.

The Charlotte worlds certainly presents a challenge. The only way is an overlap.

I personally plan on the Midtown Chiropractic Raleigh Disc Golf Championship being an A Tier the weekend after worlds.

A-tiers minimize the amount of NC players that will play in the event due to having to be a current member of PDGA. Are you open-minded to not use A-tiers or majors to increase the amount of NC players that can compete in the NC series?

I have yet to see the financials for the event you are referring to Rob, so I will not make that accusation. I guess I can inform the IRS if you really think that would be best, although with the NC local chapter aware and being concerned as well, I'm fine with them being in control of how they address/ed it. As for my personal investment into charities, I am selective, even more so in recent years do to such discrepencies/fraud/embezzlement/etc., but do give quite a bit in either financial or direct service. I'm cool with that.

I believe that is a wise decision. and I applaud your giving to or donating your time to causes that you believe warrant it. now as far as the points series goes.... you actually think it would be a bad thing to encourage people to participate in multiple events with hopes of a series prize? or is it just the candidate who endorses it that is bugging you.

I believe that is a wise decision. and I applaud your giving to or donating your time to causes that you believe warrant it. now as far as the points series goes.... you actually think it would be a bad thing to encourage people to participate in multiple events with hopes of a series prize? or is it just the candidate who endorses it that is bugging you.

None of the above. What is choice C?

Wow, this thread has officially hit rock bottom. People are looking now for any excuse they can to sling mud at the candidates. :(

After being crashed into by a texting driver, you better believe I'm totally against that irresponsible activity. Just like you railing on and on about course safety where you have no business sticking your 1&1/2 cents.

Did anyone who played at the Midtown Tournament mention to Robert that my Wife and I were watching the tournament from the top of the hill? I would like to know if Robert was really texting while driving as he claims, thus not seeing us as we waved at him when he drove by. Or did he know about us being at the tournament? I know he looked right at me twice once before the round and once when he started to leave, but my word does not seem to be good enough. Todd Gillihan #3355.

None of the above. What is choice C?

C. stop complaining and do something. you seem to have all sorts of ideas of what should be done and how. lets see some results!!

C'mon, John Rock. Texting while driving is a serious concern. Lack of safety in course design is a serious concern. Nobody in their right mind would condone these activities.

The question is its relevancy to being a PDGA state coordinator. The answer is that it has absolutely zero bearing, and is simple mudslinging intended to make someone look like a bad human being. It's like saying "Don't vote for Obama because he's a cigarette smoker. Surely someone in a position as the leader of the free world would have better sense than to risk injury to himself and his children from secondhand smoke, right?" I could not care less...I'm like most folks...I judge political candidates by their stance on the relevant issues.

Again, I don't know much of anything about North Carolina or its disc golf politics. I'm not a NC resident and have no dog in this race. All I see is a PDGA state coordinator battle being lowered to ludicrous levels on this message board, and I am ashamed. :(

C. stop complaining and do something. you seem to have all sorts of ideas of what should be done and how. lets see some results!!

Rob Worthington, my ideas are there for the taking for either candidate. Talk to them.

Did anyone who played at the Midtown Tournament mention to Robert that my Wife and I were watching the tournament from the top of the hill? I would like to know if Robert was really texting while driving as he claims, thus not seeing us as we waved at him when he drove by. Or did he know about us being at the tournament? I know he looked right at me twice once before the round and once when he started to leave, but my word does not seem to be good enough. Todd Gillihan #3355.

All I heard was there were some spectators up by hole 15 during the round. I assumed it was Carter Allen and friends since he lives behind this hole and they rutinely have people on the deck during my tournaments at Kentwood.

I did not know you were the one there until I got home and Audi messaged me on facebook that you posted you were there.

And ask any player, as you have, about texting this weekend. All players received 2 texts after the round. The first regarding scoring updates. The 2nd regarding play starting at 9 in the morning at Zebulon.

Would someone please confirm all this so I don't look like an idiot and we can end this silly tangent from the real subject.

Rob Worthington, my ideas are there for the taking for either candidate. Talk to them.

I understand that your "ideas" are for the taking. but does anyone actually want them. that is why i suggested that rather than sit back and dictate what you think should be happening or complaining about what is happening stand up, open your door, walk outside, and do something about it. or if you are not up to that then maybe put your "ideas" in the form of a suggestion rather than a demand or attack or low blow or whatever form that they are currently in. you may find that they are better recieved that way.

All I heard was there were some spectators up by hole 15 during the round. I assumed it was Carter Allen and friends since he lives behind this hole and they rutinely have people on the deck during my tournaments at Kentwood.

I did not know you were the one there until I got home and Audi messaged me on facebook that you posted you were there.

And ask any player, as you have, about texting this weekend. All players received 2 texts after the round. The first regarding scoring updates. The 2nd regarding play starting at 9 in the morning at Zebulon.

Would someone please confirm all this so I don't look like an idiot and we can end this silly tangent from the real subject.

Which tangent? the one about your driving etiquette vs your ability to be the SC of NC?? or the one about the fact that you didnt see someone who saw you and you intentionally ignored them?

I understand that your "ideas" are for the taking. but does anyone actually want them. that is why i suggested that rather than sit back and dictate what you think should be happening or complaining about what is happening stand up, open your door, walk outside, and do something about it. or if you are not up to that then maybe put your "ideas" in the form of a suggestion rather than a demand or attack or low blow or whatever form that they are currently in. you may find that they are better recieved that way.

?????????

Re-read this thread.

The fee is for TDs. I know that has been said already. the only advice I can give is to limit the number of events. too many events can dilute the interest. make sure the courses and TDs involved are good. and the events are chosen on those criteria. there are a couple of events in our series that I will never play. one has a lousy course and payout. the other has the worst TD ever!* and a crap payout.


*by definition this particular TD has a 35 min players meeting and a 45 min awards ceremony. the payout sux. he keeps the ace pool. etc. etc. etc. It is really sad because the course is awesome. hopefully soon he will no longer be able to monopolize that gem of a course.




I understand that your concerns are about being paid more as an AM and not having to attend a meeting regarding tourney rules and information. but does anyone actually want to be there. This is why i suggest that rather than sit back and dictate what you think should be happening or complaining about what is happening stand up, open your door, walk outside, and do something about it. or if you are not up to that then maybe put your concerns in the form of a suggestion rather than a demand or attack or low blow or whatever form that they are currently in. you may find that they are better recieved that way.

Did anyone who played at the Midtown Tournament mention to Robert that my Wife and I were watching the tournament from the top of the hill? I would like to know if Robert was really texting while driving as he claims, thus not seeing us as we waved at him when he drove by. Or did he know about us being at the tournament? I know he looked right at me twice once before the round and once when he started to leave, but my word does not seem to be good enough. Todd Gillihan #3355.

Are you kidding me? He's apologized. Here on the board clear for all to see. If you apologized for something wouldn't YOU expect that to be enough? What else do you want him to do?? ? Write it in the gosh darn sky, dang man!


Tyson-& Craig-
I agree with the breaking the point series up into regions and I also agree that it shouldn't be limited to just A tiers there are several B and C tier events that get a large turn out and even fill up every year.

You are correct, Audi. He did apologize and I did not accept it. That is because my Wife and I felt that this apology was based on lies making it hard to accept. However he did make an attempt to explain his behavior and I will give him credit for that. I would like to thank him for saying he would like to meet my Wife and that he did not mean to treat us like we had some kind of social disease.
Todd Gillihan #3355

I understand that your concerns are about being paid more as an AM and not having to attend a meeting regarding tourney rules and information. but does anyone actually want to be there. This is why i suggest that rather than sit back and dictate what you think should be happening or complaining about what is happening stand up, open your door, walk outside, and do something about it. or if you are not up to that then maybe put your concerns in the form of a suggestion rather than a demand or attack or low blow or whatever form that they are currently in. you may find that they are better recieved that way.

U are awesome at copy and pasting!!

I have done something. I no longer participate in those tournaments.

Man how have i missed this good time until now???? sitting back eating popcorn watching the fun unfold.

we have Jeff Lag up in tha house...some dude from Tx blatherin on about texting while driving in a parking lot and the king of the internet trolls on a mission.

My wed. is really looking up! i have already voted by the way.

While you are here Dave, can you do me a favor?

Wipe the popcorn butter off your fingers and please explain to Todd that I sent out a mass text to all players right after play was over.

And good shooting last weekend. I like writing you a check!

whipping white chedder cheese dust off my hands.....Not directed to anyone but Tizzle those texts where amazing and a great idea and way to communicate in a tough situation of running a 2 day tournament on 4 different courses. while your car should have been in park while texting i am certainly not going to try to imply you where endangering anyone with what you where doing in a parking lot.

I like getting checks from you:-) and great job last weekend. i had a blast.

It's not my state but I hope NC voters split the vote equally, and these guys become Co-SCs.

This is the liveliest thread on the PDGA board in the last 4 years.

The Charlotte worlds certainly presents a challenge. The only way is an overlap.

I personally plan on the Midtown Chiropractic Raleigh Disc Golf Championship being an A Tier the weekend after worlds.

Overlap? Does this mean that if you were elected that some poor TD may have to run their PDGA event the same week as the Worlds in Charlotte? If I am elected the Worlds get an exclusive date on the schedule.
Todd Gillihan #3355

t some poor TD may have to run their PDGA event the same week as the Worlds in Charlotte?
Some Poor TD??????????? How does the state coordinator have control over TD's picking weekends for their tournaments???????????????? So if your elected and as a TD i am dumb enough to run a tournament the same weekend as worlds you are not going to let me?

Yes. B & C Tier events must have the permission from the SC to get sanctioning from the PDGA. Todd Gillihan #3355

First let me say that i understand fully the job and duties of the PDGA State Coordinator.

But i am having trouble seeing how your reply adresses my question. I also want to make sure you understand the duties of the SC Postion. As SC you do not stipulate what weekend a TD decides to run an event. That is soley up to the TD. Correct? The SC only has the ablitly to allow or not allow the sanctioning of said event.

Now if i may i would like to take this a step further. because well thinking about my last reply i have had a little change of heart. Lets say a TD all the way out on the coast of N.C. (or up in the mountains or anywhere really in N.C.) thinks it would be cool to give Disc Golfers an option during the week of worlds. Not all golfers in NC will want to fork up the cash and time to play an event as big as worlds. so lets say that someone does step up and want to run a little C-Tier (or B-teir it really is irrelevant) event 4 hours away from charlotte just to give people options. You if elected to N.C. SC would deny them the PDGA sanctioning ability?

P.S. Todd i applaude your efforts to come here and help us understand your platform and ideas

Thank you for your reply. I hear you, but the Worlds are special and must have their own date. That being said, I�m sure there may be non-PDGA events at the same time, and that is way cool.

PS. I may be the biggest �Canes fan in Winston Salem. I grew up in Missouri as a St. Louis Blues fan. I still have memorabilia plastered on the wall from the games I attended in the 2006 Cup run. Let�s Go �Canes!

Todd,
thanks back at ya for your reply. i personally am fine with the concept of overlapping and do not belive that someone running an event if they choose to the same weekend would detract from the "Specialness" of Worlds. Thanks again for the discussion and explaining your position.

Thank you. I hope I can win your friendship, since I can�t win your vote.
I also hope that one day, I can win back the friendship of Robert and we will be able to work together to best serve the PDGA members.

Like Bob Dylan said:
�You don�t have to be afraid of lookin� into my face.
Cause we�ve done nothin� to each other time will not erase.�
Todd Gillihan #3355

Overlap? Does this mean that if you were elected that some poor TD may have to run their PDGA event the same week as the Worlds in Charlotte? If I am elected the Worlds get an exclusive date on the schedule.
Todd Gillihan #3355


First off, give me a second to take the words out of my mouth that you just put in them.

Hold on....

Man that stuff is salty...

ok..

NO Todd, That is not what I was saying. You are adding an event that takes up two weeks on the calender where there clearly cannot and will not be a PDGA event in the area. Events this time of the year, including mine, will have to be moved from their traditional weekends and this will cause overlap in other times of the year.

I'm not sure of the mileage restraints, but I know there cannot be PDGA events within certain miles of a major / NT. Todd's and I's opinion has not bearing on the subject. It's a PDGA rule.

Tizzle/todd,
what are the stipulations for sanctioned events distance requirments as it pertains to Majors/worlds?

I tried to find it but I can't.

I know at one point it was a rule. But it could be different now.

Nevermind i found it and you are both nazi's:-) there are several courses well over 200 miles from Charlotte in N.C.

http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/TourStandards.pdf

Their cannot be a B tier within 300 miles of a Major or a C tier within 200 miles of a Major, regardless what State the events are in. The distance between two B’ tiers has to be more than 100 miles and the distance between a B tier and a C tier cannot be less than 50 miles. An A tier gives you a 200 mile area over another B tier and 100 miles over a C tier. Todd Gillihan #3355

Well there you go.

I have no issues allowing an event to take place during worlds under these standards.

However, I will strongly encourage that TD not to.

Robert. Thanks for the clarification on the Worlds. I am glad we are in agreement. I am so sorry that you feel that I put words into your mouth. Todd Gillihan #3355

Tizzle,
as well you should.

Todd,
Please view the link i provided above. while as we all have alludded to it not being the best idea to run a sanctioned event during the week of worlds the PDGA does allow for it.

as SC i would hope that both of you would consider the request from a TD if the situation did miraculously arrise. and not let opinion get in the way of the criteria set forth by the governing body. Thanks again guys for joining with me on the back and forth and good luck to both of you in the election.

Todd,

I'm sorry, but I refuse to accept this apology. I think you put those words in my mouth just so voters would twist my concepts into something. These are flat out lies. If I had a wife, she would be very offended. Instead, my mother is offended and doesn't understand how anyone so rude that twists things for their own being could receive votes for SC. So you can provide whatever explination you choose, I know the facts and I'm denying your apology.

It's not my state but I hope NC voters split the vote equally, and these guys become Co-SCs.

Great idea! http://www.pdga.com/discussion/images/icons/icon14.gif

This is the liveliest thread on the PDGA board in the last 4 years.

I agree, but at what cost?

It's like watching a car wreck in slow motion, and you just can't turn away, no matter how horrible it gets. :(

I agree, but at what cost?

It's like watching a car wreck in slow motion, and you just can't turn away, no matter how horrible it gets. :(

i believe i stated that previously. Its why i couldnt help but get involved.

I all I have seen in this thread as well as any that you post in is mudslinging, accusations, and constant antagonizing of whoever you are stalking at the moment. I would be lying if i said it wasnt entertaining but in a train crash sort of way.

I won�t be able to answer any questions on Friday because I�m going to get my right knee scoped at Baptist Hospital to hopefully take care of a problem that has been keeping me off the golf course. If all goes well, I should be back on the course in a month or so.
Todd Gillihan #3355

Good luck with the procedure Todd.

I do find it very ironic that both of us currently have an injury to the right knee :)

Thank you, Robert. I hope you will recover from your knee injury soon as well. You know that we have a lot in common. We both have a deep passion for disc golf, we both love the ‘Canes, we have 100 mutual friends on facebook, etc, etc.
Like I have said from the start of this campaign, I think you will make an excellent SC and that no matter who wins, I hope we will be able to work together. Todd Gillihan, #3355

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I am able to answer questions again as my knee operation went well and I am at home recovering. They fixed a tear in my medial meniscus and they cleaned out a bunch of junk under my knee cap. If all goes well I will be back on the golf course in a month. Todd Gillihan #3355

I am honored to have been chosen to represent NC's PDGA members over the next two years and would like to thank everyone who voted for me. I promise to offer two great years of disc golf inside our boundaries.

I would also like to thank Mike Norris, our outgoing Coordinator, for all of his work and setting the table to make my next two years very smooth.

I would like to thank Todd for running, being very supportive of me running against him, running a "clean" campaign and for his desire to improve disc golf in North Carolina.

I am really excited about the next two years....

Let the planning begin!

Congrats Rob!!!