chris
Dec 22 2010, 06:45 PM
Who are the players who have won 15 or more PDGA tournaments in a year in the MPO division?
I believe Barry Schultz, Nikko Lacastro, Geoff Bennett & Coda Hatfield have done it, who else??
james_mccaine
Dec 22 2010, 07:00 PM
I'd be surprised if Climo isn't on that list. Mitch McLellan also.
cgkdisc
Dec 22 2010, 07:19 PM
Depends on how far back you go. Even Tom Monroe, Greenwell, Hosfeld, Stokely, Randolph, Lissaman might be on that list when they were touring.
MTL21676
Dec 22 2010, 09:58 PM
I think wins is the most overrated stat in our sport. If the top players played local events only, they would each have 25 - 30 a year.
A Tier, NT and major wins and money earnings are the important figures in our sport.
james_mccaine
Dec 22 2010, 10:29 PM
Not all wins are equal for sure, but 15 wins in any competitive region is quite an accomplishment. John Brooks is probably another.
MTL21676
Dec 22 2010, 11:38 PM
Schwebby had 15+ in 2008.
I'm sure Larry Leonard has done it as well.
johnbiscoe
Dec 24 2010, 09:49 AM
moser certainly has done it...
jmonny
Dec 25 2010, 11:43 AM
I'm a stats guy and one thing this sport lacks is a goto stats/records site. Hosfeld had a
page of records that was cool but was only current thru 2000. I wish I had the resources to make this happen, maybe one day.
james_mccaine
Dec 26 2010, 12:43 PM
I'm a stats guy and one thing this sport lacks is a goto stats/records site.
So true. It would be a good for the sport to have this stuff, but not sure how it gets done.
chris
Dec 27 2010, 10:37 AM
Looks like Moser's high is 11 wins
McCabe
Dec 27 2010, 10:33 PM
I think I did this in 2008.
drdisc
Dec 28 2010, 12:34 AM
Before the PDGA ,we had IFA Frisbee Golf Events.
chris
Dec 28 2010, 05:34 PM
What is the longest streak of Open Wins people have had??
jmonny
Dec 28 2010, 06:50 PM
What is the longest streak of Open Wins people have had??
I think (fill in the blank) had _ wins in a row in (random year).
You're gonna get a lot of guestimates here. Put in the effort and figure it out.
gdstour
Dec 29 2010, 02:20 AM
Justin Bunnell won 3 A-tiers in a row a few years ago,,,maybe 2007.
what about Total PDGA wins???
I know John E McCray has a little over 100!
I think Nikko is at like 48 in 4-1/2 years.
schick
Dec 29 2010, 02:28 AM
My best was in '08 with 6 wins in a row I believe. The dates are all messed up, but I seem to remember going for 7 in a row and getting 2nd. Of course a lot of those are local wins and smaller tourneys so they are not as impressive as others who may get three or four big wins in a row like Justin! :-)
I tried to add up my Open wins from the PDGA stats and it looks like around 70. I know there are others before the 2001 dates that are listed, so it may be up around 80+. I think my first open tournament was in '96 so who knows, wish I had kept better stats myself.
I would think people like Moser, Schweb, Rico, and Schultz would have well over 100 career wins as well.
schick
Dec 29 2010, 02:49 AM
After quickly looking, Schwebby is very near 100 wins as well. I would also bet Geoff Bennett has to be up on that list and he didn't start competing in the Open until around '06 maybe?
johnbiscoe
Dec 29 2010, 10:58 AM
Looks like Moser's high is 11 wins
my guess would be he had years with more than that prior to the pdga getting the results online...
gotcha
Dec 30 2010, 10:01 AM
my guess would be he had years with more than that prior to the pdga getting the results online...
I concur.
snoophaney
Jan 04 2011, 07:03 PM
Pretty sure that Larry Leonard is over 100 wins for his career. Also, he has won 7 PDGA's in a row and has had around 11 wins in a season.
I would bet that Mela has to be in the conversation as well.
michaeljo
Jan 05 2011, 12:20 PM
i did 15 in 09, somewhere in the 50s in wins.
johnbiscoe
Jan 05 2011, 03:19 PM
snoop and MJ- boy- they're really coming out of the woodwork... :)
MTL21676
Jan 05 2011, 04:40 PM
pretty soon zzzeezzz might even post.
dionarlyn
Jan 05 2011, 05:27 PM
2010 was my fourth season in the Open division and my best year to date.
I won a total of 12/33 Events and my longest streak was 3 wins in a row. All my wins are in the NW and many of them were small C tiers with little competition. A few of my wins were against pretty solid fields. Not quite 15 wins in a season, but I'm pretty stoked considering I'd only won 5 events total before this season.
I too am a stats guy, so here is a breakdown of stats from my season - I think this format would be condusive to seeing how strong a win is and determining who the real best players are. Again, I had a lot of wins this season, but many of them were against small fields with low field strength.
Here are a few wins I had this season. The stats I feel are important to include are:
Field Size
Field Strength (Average Rating of Players)
# of 1000 Players in the Field
Highest Rated Player in the Field
Winning Score
Rating of Winning Score
Win Margin
1st Place Prize Money
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Event Name | Date | Location | Tier | Rounds | Field Size | Field Strength | 1000 RP | Highest RP | Winning Score | R Winning Score | Win Margin | Prize
The Winter Flurry at Sumner Meadows | Feb. 13 | Sumner, WA | C | 2 | 16 | 980.25 | 2 | 1027 | 95 | 1022 | 3 | $195
Special Olympics Fundraiser | Sept. 5 | McMinnville, OR | C | 2 | 4 | 971.25 | 1 | 1011 | 97 | 1049 | 6 | $84
Oregon Disc Golf Championships | Sept. 18-19 | Goble, OR | B | 3/F9 | 35 | 980.37 | 7 | 1022 | 202 | 1015 | 1 | $600
Wish I could align the columns better so its easier to read, sorry.
I bet if you take a sampling of Nikkos wins you see much larger and stronger field strengths, More 1000 rated players, bigger win margins and way bigger prize money. As to be expected.
schick
Jan 05 2011, 09:05 PM
Snoop, come back man.....miss seeing you around! Hope all is well buddy. If you see Larry, tell him to put the video game controller down and get out too! :-)
snoophaney
Jan 06 2011, 11:47 PM
Thanks Brad. I miss being out there sometimes. It's been a rough 4 years, lots of changes in my life and still dealing with a bad knee. Getting old I guess. Looking forward to playing more golf real soon. LL is in his own world, no help there. :)
mattdisc
Jan 07 2011, 09:18 AM
Great to hear from the Snoop! LL is still alive??
Betcha Joe Mela is well over 100 wins, he has been dominant in the Northeast since 1986. Moser, Jim Myers & Craig Gangloff should be above or near 100 as well.
How about wins at one event? Mela has won the Joisey Jam 13 times over the years!
snoophaney
Jan 07 2011, 03:04 PM
...excluding Ken of course.
LL has probably won the Horizons, Sneeky Pete and the NC States tournaments more than anyone else. Probably looking around 25 wins or more between the 3.
johnbiscoe
Jan 07 2011, 04:06 PM
you and LL making a vti appearance this year?
snoophaney
Jan 07 2011, 08:39 PM
What's in it for me? :)
johnbiscoe
Jan 08 2011, 12:16 PM
that would be kirk's department...
snoophaney
Jan 08 2011, 08:07 PM
Is it true that the VTI and the Pro Crosstown is the same weekend?
johnbiscoe
Jan 09 2011, 11:39 AM
negative- vti is last weekend in march, crosstown was originally scheduled for then but moved a week into april (last time i was in touch with kirk)
MTL21676
Jan 09 2011, 09:53 PM
negative- vti is last weekend in march, crosstown was originally scheduled for then but moved a week into april (last time i was in touch with kirk)
Confirmed. It was originally the same weekend but the crosstown moved back a weekend to not interfere.
Chris Hysell
Jan 10 2011, 07:58 PM
negative- vti is last weekend in march, crosstown was originally scheduled for then but moved a week into april (last time i was in touch with kirk)
Someone needs to let Schwebby know. He thinks otherwise.
I'm 7 or more years away from my 100th PDGA win. All who bet against it ever happening will be sadly mistaken.
chris
Jan 12 2011, 06:24 PM
I'm 1 Open win away from my original goal of 50 PDGA pro wins, next goal is to jump it up to 100 then retire :P My 2011 goal is to get 15 wins (planning on playing a lot of smaller B & C tiers) and was just curious to how many people have actually done that before. I realize the top players all have the skills to achieve it, though they choose to play the larger tournaments which makes it that much more difficult.
snoophaney
Jan 13 2011, 07:42 PM
Hasn't that question already been answered? 15 wins in a season is a lot even for the top guys in any tier.
skaZZirf
Feb 15 2011, 06:11 PM
post
The Mose
Feb 17 2011, 09:08 AM
Since I was brough up in this conversation I'll put my results out there for ya. I currently have 119 pro singles sanctioned wins , (25 A-tier wins). The most wins I had in a season was in 1998 I had 13 wins.
bschweberger
Apr 26 2011, 10:28 AM
100 Open Wins
15 or more in a year...twice 08-09
68 wins from 2006-2010
9 A Tier wins
and a stat I dislike alot ...
2nd place over 60 times..ahhhhhh...shoulda would coulda...LOL
drdisc
Apr 27 2011, 12:26 AM
I never kept track of wins or Aces. Lot's of events did not have trophies so it's hard to count them.
bschweberger
Mar 09 2012, 10:33 PM
100 Open Wins
15 or more in a year...twice 08-09
68 wins from 2006-2010
9 A Tier wins
and a stat I dislike alot ...
2nd place over 60 times..ahhhhhh...shoulda would coulda...LOL
11 Months later...
113 Open Wins
15 or more in a year...3 times
83 Wins from 2006-2011
2nd place almost 80 times now..
AviarX
Mar 10 2012, 11:11 AM
How about Dave Dunipace or Harold Duvall? Lavone Wolfe?
In the women's division, Juliana Korver of course is on the list (she also cashed in 2001 at what's normally considered the 'mens' USDGC!)
Elaine King, Valerie Jenkins and other ladies are probably on that list too...
cgkdisc
Mar 10 2012, 11:37 AM
Looks like no Majors or NT wins for Schwebbie, but how 'bout a Super Class win? Those are my only wins ever in Open... :)
rickrothstein
Mar 10 2012, 04:30 PM
So true. It would be a good for the sport to have this stuff, but not sure how it gets done.
Winter issues of Disc Golf World and Disc Golf World News used to list multiple tournament winners. For instance, just picked up the Winter 1996 issue and in the open division, Climo won 23 times. Next best was Stan McDaniel and Mike Randolph with 7 followed by Chris Voigt, Larry Leonard, and Craig Gangloff with 6. Beth Tanner (7), Teresa Keith (6), and Becky Powell (5) were the women leaders.
If anyone ever wants to head up a History of PDGA Tournament Stats Project, I'd be glad to help out. A possible funding source would be to apply for a PDGA Innovation Grant. The PDGA has boxes of paper result from the 80s and 90s in storage that would be great to get into the record.
cgkdisc
Mar 10 2012, 04:46 PM
If most of the tournament stats before 2000 can ever be placed online, we can calculate ratings in reverse to determine player and course ratings as far back as we have scoring results.
xterramatt
Jun 08 2012, 10:06 AM
SuperClass doesn't count Chuck....
cgkdisc
Jun 08 2012, 10:38 AM
Then you're going to discount all of those Hall of Famer wins back before beveled edged discs, too? That's when DGRZ001 Burns said he was good...
xterramatt
Jun 08 2012, 11:49 AM
it counted when it was the only class...