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After much delay...... (imagine a drum roll here)...........


Piney Woods Pro-Am VII


December 11-12, 2010


Pro and Adv divisions: A Tier


Int, Rec and Jr. divsions: B tier

As in years past, this will be played in Tyler's own Lindsey Park, Disc Golf Complex. Three great courses, most holes with either alternate tees or baskets, offering a range of difficulty that satisfies all players of all divisions. I will be posting more over the next couple of days so check back often.

Entry is being offered on line at www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com)

can't wait...Last year was a great time !

Please take note, players requested more A Tier events in Texas and now there are 2, count them 2, in December starting with the Fly Ink Open down in San Antonio and then one week later the Piney Woods Pro Am VII. Touring pro's take note, two A Tiers one week apart......

Shortly I will have info posted for the Piney Woods so keep your eyes open. As in years past, the first player to preregister, either via mail or www.titledisc.com will receive one CFR disc.

I wish I could make the Fly Ink open, but I will simply be too busy. The group down in San Antonio have some great courses and always run good events.

More to be revealed!!

Please take note, players requested more A Tier events in Texas and now there are 2, count them 2, in December starting with the Fly Ink Open down in San Antonio and then one week later the Piney Woods Pro Am VII. Touring pro's take note, two A Tiers one week apart......

Shortly I will have info posted for the Piney Woods so keep your eyes open. As in years past, the first player to preregister, either via mail or www.titledisc.com will receive one CFR disc.

I wish I could make the Fly Ink open, but I will simply be too busy. The group down in San Antonio have some great courses and always run good events.

More to be revealed!!

Great point! 2 A Tiers in back to back weekends in Texas! Come down and enjoy our "winter" :D. Gonna be a fun 2 weeks!

Jerry Powers, "EL CHILE" will be there this year, please sign me up I will be there Friday afternoon.

Any info on the schedule of courses will be appreciated! Thanks!

Announcing the Piney Woods Pro-Am VII! This disc golf tournament is to be held December 11-12, 2010 and will be an A Tier for Pro/Advanced divisions and B Tier for Rec/Int/Jr. The tournament will be held at Tyler’s premere Disc Golf Complex in Lindsey Park. The A Tier will play the dreaded gold standard course, Dogwood, our blue standard course, Hickory and our red standard course, Cedar. The Dogwood course will only be played by the Pro and Advanced divisions so if you want to play that course you will need to step up your game and play with the big boys and girls!

We hope to raise over $12,000 for the Children’s Miracle Network and you can help by joining us for 4 rounds of disc golf! So be a part of this event and join us on December 11-12, 2010! With the upper limit of attendance set at 72 for the B Tier the B Tier will fill this year! For the A Tier divisions we have an upper limit of 144, but make sure you are not left out. Preregister at WWW.TITLEDISC.COM (http://www.TITLEDISC.COM) or send me an e-mail and I will send you a registration form. This will be the last chance of the year, for most players to pick up much needed points for next year's World’s tournament. Or if you are just looking for a little fun then come join us. With three courses in one park, and a variety of tees and pin placements you are promised a challenging weekend of disc golf.

You can sign up at Lindsey Park on Friday evening and Saturday morning before 8:00
or at www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com).

I have everything set for the Piney Woods Pro-Am on www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com). I have asked Josh to post it, now it is up to you to watch for it starting up. The FIRST registeration will recieve a CFR disc so keep your eyes open!

6:35 p.m. 31 Oct 2010 Alan Byrd Adv Grandmaster

Looking forward to a little redemption after my meltdown on Sunday last year.

Hmmmm. Not a lot of talk yet about this tourney. I thought I would bump this thread with a little discussion about the courses.

Dogwood
Good news and bad news here. The good news is that some of the holes are playing a little easier because we lost a few big trees. The bad news is we added at least one new pin position that even the locals haven't played much. I am also working on a plan to make the OB VERY clearly defined on a few of the holes.

Red and Blue courses.
Good and bad news here too. The good news for the players is that some of the more challenging holes have been made significantly easier because some noob decided it better to cut down the trees that get in his way than learn how to play the game. If anyone knows the identity of this person, us locals would love to "take a walk in the woods" with him.

The bad news is that some of the holes are getting more difficult, either because of some tree tree growth or because we are thinking about implementing on some creative changes to make up for the wind and noob damage.

That's all for now.

Mike
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Every year I ask for people to sponsor either in money or merchandise. All merchandise is either put up for auction, which goes to the Children's Miracle Network or is given away in CTP's. Merchandise is NOT paid back out, if it is given to me, I give it away. So, please consider donating merchandise for this event. All those discs that you have had collecting dust, pull them out and send them my way. One of the best things about the Piney Woods Pro-Am has been the continued donation of merchandise by the casual player groups. Sister Sue, the Quattlebaums, Dez and Yeti, Onion fields, etc., just to name a few. So please dig deep and donate. I do not make any money on this event, it either goes back to the players or to the charity, your giving is one of the things that makes this such a great event.

Next, there are only 72 slots in the Int/Rec/Jr divisions, there are only 72 slots available in the Adv divisions, there are only 72 slots in the Pro divisions. Once full, I WILL NOT make cards greater than 4 players per card (except for the odd division count) or add ghost cards. I cannot do it. We have a limited amount of daylight and while it would be great to have 100 players per division grouping, it simply cannot be done. So don't hold off pre-registering, it may cost you a spot.........

This year I have made arrangements with the Quality Inn and they will be providing doubles for $50 per night. Information is given below. If you book a room tell them you are with the "Piney Woods Pro-Am" for your discount. If you plan on fitting more than 2 people per room they are asking for a $3 charge per additional person. The hotel serves a free hot breakfast, and food and drink are within walking distance.


2843 W. N.W. Loop 323
Tyler, TX 75702
(903) 597-1301
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For those of you who may want to get a few practice rounds before the tourney, the RCDC has scheduled minis Saturdays at 10 and Sundays at 2. Free to play unless you want in the ace pot. Then it is $3-5, depending on the size of the ace pot.

Typically the second and fourth Sundays, we play our minis at one of the other courses in town, but I imagine we will play exclusively at Lindsey Part for the next 4 weeks so as to enhance our home course advantage.

Mike
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Oh, one other thing. I do want to extend a personal invitation to Jeremy "Cowbell" Lockwood to play in a mini soon with the RCDC. Running off to a different state after boosting the #1 tag off Bristow is beyond lame.

Mike
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We are now at 4 weeks until the event and I want to encourage everyone that can make it to come. The courses are a blast and the event helps to raise money for the Children's Miracle Network. An excellent charity that I would like to suggest everyone try to attend.

Please check out the following......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuq7n8JaQnc

Time is flying by. We are down to 3 1/2 weeks and the Rose City Disc Club is working hard to get things ready. We are working hard to raise money for sponsorship and pro payout. I hope to have an estimate the week before the event on added cash.

I need some more merchandise donations please. Those old discs gathering dust really help the CTP.

Also, we will running a silent auction again this year. All proceeds from that will go to the CMN. Your donations will help many youth so please give like a child's life depends on it, because it very well could.

We will see everyone soon!

I have several brand spankin' new discs I won at the SNAC that I would be happy to donate to the cause.

1- Innova Eagle, yellow DX
1- Innova Hydra, white R-Pro
1- Innova Shark, white (DX)
1- DKG Hail Mary, translucent white (super-duper high tech floating plastic)

If it isn't Discraft, it has no place in my bag!

Mike
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We are now at less than three weeks and counting. A couple of incentives to sign up:

- All pro's pre-registering will recieve a full color mini for the event (or equal)
- Money added....... I am working hard to get as much money added as possible, anyone who has played this event will tell you that I pay well in the amateur divisions. I am also working to add more money to the Pro divisions. This is above and beyond the PDGA required amount. Note that I said pro DIVISIONS not just the open division.
- Please remember this event helps to raise money for the Children's Miracle Network and you can be a part of that!
- All players can sign up on www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com). Meals are $5 IF you sign up on TitleDisc or pre-register and purchase meals ahead of time. At the event the price will be going to $6, so take advantage of this means of registeration. We will have BBQ on Saturday and hamburgers on Sunday.

I encourage you to pre-register. This help the tournament run much more smoothly and helps us to prepare.

Host hotel this year is the Quality Inn. Information shown in this thread.

For those who are thinking about getting a little practice time in before the tourney, we are having a mini this Friday at 10am. We could probably start earlier, but the weatherman is talking frost Thursday night and it will take until 10 to warm up. We will be playing Dogwood and then Hickory (blue). It might be a good time get a preview of the local routes.

As for all you locals, you will need to pry the #1 tag out of my cold, dead hands. You may win, but there will be blood!

Mike
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If you could have stayed last night, I would have had it.....:D

I will be there to show you old guys how to do it right! Also anyone who needs a preview of the course come on down we welcome any and everybody who wants a piece. Just remember the name Chris Harris! I will be winning 1st in Advanced Men!!

And the time is flying by. The Rose City Disc Club has been working hard to get things ready. entrees are coming in and I encouage you to pre-register at www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com) or email me at jerrypower @ sbcglobal.net ([email protected]) and I can send you an entry form in the mail. I believe the B Tier will fill by the tournament and the others as well, but only time will tell.

We have added a few more holes to Dogwood and will continue to clean and prep right up until the tournament.

For those of you that like smoked brisket, PeePaw's will be selling BBQ Saturday for lunch and hamburgers on Sunday. Pre-registering and paying for your lunch will only be $5. Purchasing at the event will be $6.

I have CFR's this year. This discs help to sponsor the event and any profit goes backing raising money for the Pro divisions and allows me to add more to the am payouts as well. CFR's are available at www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com) or can be purchased from me at the event.

See everyone soon!!

We have added a few more holes to Dogwood

So we're looking at....maybe....21 holes at Dogwood?

I see around 28 or so signed up on Titledisc.....how many total do you have? Can you give us a by-name, by-division update anytime soon?

So we're looking at....maybe....21 holes at Dogwood?

I see around 28 or so signed up on Titledisc.....how many total do you have? Can you give us a by-name, by-division update anytime soon?

I should correct myself. The added holes are for alternate pins. There will only be 18 holes per round. As for sign ups, I hope to post the current list on the PDGA website within the next couple of days. We had quite a few of the locals sign up over the weekend and I have recieved a few by mail and by hand that are not showing up on www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com) I will try to get them up soon.

I personnally believe that the USDGC is a huge event in the Disc Golf world. As most of you may be aware, the Piney Woods Pro-Am was the first qualifier for the 2010 USDGC and after much pleading I have been given tentitive permission to be the first qualifier of 2011!! There are some things that have to be worked out, but as of today, things are looking very positive. There may not be another qualifier in our region, miss this one and you may have to travel out of our region to become qualified.

I do believe the Piney Woods Pro Am will come close to filling again this year. There is a limit to the number of players that will be accepted. There will be 72 players per pool with the Professional Divisions, Advanced Divisions and the Int/Rec/Jr making up seperate pools. Once I hit 72 players per pool I will be closing registeration. The only thing that assures you are in the event is to pre-register. You can pre-registering by either picking up an entry from and filling it out (email me at jerrypower @ sbcglobal.net or see the attachment) or at www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com)

See everyone in LESS THAN TWO WEEKS!!!!

I am allowing a flymart again this year. Please contact me if you are interested.

It is official, the Piney Woods Pro Am will be a USDGC qualifier. Information will be posted shortly on the USDGC website. This year there will be regional qualifiers and 1, count it 1 wildcard. That would be PWO. More details are to be released soon, but this year all pro and adv divisions will be competing for 10 spots. See everyone soon!

So there will be a USDGC in 2011?

From face book

United States Disc Golf Championship (http://www.facebook.com/pages/United-States-Disc-Golf-Championship/179691904065) Dates for next year's USDGC are confirmed for October 5-8, 2011. The first qualifying event is the Piney Woods Pro-Am in Tyler, TX on December 11 & 12, 2010. Details coming very soon at usdgc.com.

Mee too? So there is a USDGC in 2011?

Just got a confirmation, yes, there will be an event. Same course, Same experience, lower entry fee.

It will be a handicap-based event and qualifying will be handicap-based so a broader range of players can qualify and get a chance to play in the event.

With this information, I would expect Jerry's event to fill this evening or by tomorrow.

From facebook from Jonathan Poole.

"The USDGC will definitely return to Winthrop in 2011. Our plan has evolved quite a bit since that initial press release which is causing plenty of confusion. I apologize (to everyone) for that. Next year the USDGC will be a handicap-based event. Same course. Same experience. New format. Qualifying will also be handicap-based, enabling a much broader group of people to qualify. We are working on several updates for usdgc.com that present all of the details confirmed so far. J.Poole"

Just got a confirmation, yes, there will be an event. Same course, Same experience, lower entry fee.

It will be a handicap-based event and qualifying will be handicap-based so a broader range of players can qualify and get a chance to play in the event.

With this information, I would expect Jerry's event to fill this evening or by tomorrow.
I don't understand how qualifying happens for a handicapped event. For example, at the Tyler tourney, is the measure for qualifying how we play relative to our ratings. If that is the case, why would a qualifying event (much less the USDGC) appeal to the top players, or the mediocre ones like myself. The folks likely to shoot the most above their ratings are ones who have only played a few bad tourrneys in the last year, or are on a rapidly improving curve.

Not sure how they will do it to attract all levels of players. Jonathan said they would be posting details very soon.

Last year the Piney Woods Pro-Am was also a USADGC qualifier and we will be again this year. The A stands for amateur. Just thought I should let everyone know......

Not sure if I can add more, but I will certainly try!:D

I don't understand how qualifying happens for a handicapped event. For example, at the Tyler tourney, is the measure for qualifying how we play relative to our ratings. If that is the case, why would a qualifying event (much less the USDGC) appeal to the top players, or the mediocre ones like myself. The folks likely to shoot the most above their ratings are ones who have only played a few bad tourrneys in the last year, or are on a rapidly improving curve.

I have been working with the USDGC and the PDGA to determine the best use of handicapping and my suggestion is to look at average rating shot for an event. Mediocre players and top rated players can both qualify in such an event. I am a bit of a geek with numbers and looked at last years PWO. In that review the qualification was well spread across all divisions. The trick is to bring your A game. Male/female, old/young, top rated/average, if you shoot well you may qualify. Handicapping, if done right, gives EVERYONE a chance.

I just met with Mr. Power and registered and purchased one of the CFR rocs . WooHoo!

So what course will the PRO pool be playing twice?

So what course will the PRO pool be playing twice?

The format will be the same as last year, pro divisions will start on Dogwood short and move to Cedar (red) long in the afternoon. Sunday morning they will move to Hickory (Blue) long and end on Dogwood long.

Advanced will play flip, starting with Cedar (red) long on Saturday morning, etc.

As of 8am Monday morning.

From Intellicast.com
Friday: Partly cloudy with a high of 68�. Southeast winds at 6mph. 20% chance of rain.
Saturday: Partly cloudy with a high of 70�. South-southwest winds at 7mph. 20% chance of rain.
Sunday: Clear with a high of 48�. North-northwest winds at 6mph. 10% chance of rain.

This is an improvement over the last few days. Looks like weather won't be a legitimate excuse for not attending this tourney.

The courses are looking great and playing tough as usual. Now that it is a USDGC and USADGC qualifier, it is likely to fill as it did last year so you best register soon!

Mike
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Well here we are, the week leading up to the Piney Woods Pro-Am. I am about half full and expect to be close to filling by Friday. I am getting calls daily about entering and I have told everyone the same, ONLY pre-registering guarantees that you will have a spot. The current forecast is calling for partly cloudy and unseasonably warm on Saturday and cooling on Sunday with sunny skies. Great weather for disc golf! You have no excuse to put off pre-registering any longer. There is currently a very low chance of rain for the weekend.

I have spoken with all interested parties and this event will be USDGC and USADGC qualifiers. Since the USDGC will be a handicapped event this year, it looks like invites will not be handed out at the event, but will follow by mail. The current plans are to have regional qualifiers and one wildcard. That wildcard will be the Piney Woods Pro Am. One plus, qualification will be provided to both Advanced and Pro divisions this year. So if you are an up and coming Advanced player, this will be a great opportunity to receive qualification at two great events. Speaking with the power�s that be at Innova, handicapping will be based on ratings and that will be against yourself and the course. Weather is expected to be great this weekend so I would expect a fairly even playing field.

There will be lunch available for Saturday and Sunday, but the amount is going to be limited. I have asked the caterer to provide above the pre-registered amounts, but not by a significant amount. If you want to eat at the park, then you need to consider purchasing lunch when you pre-reg. If you did not get a chance to buy lunch at that time, then contact me first thing on Friday afternoon/Saturday morning to buy a lunch ticket.

As stated before, pre-registration can be done at www.titledisc.com

See everyone in 5 days!

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I did not get all the players in, but most of them are now showing on the PDGA web site. With the players that showed up today I have only 29 spots left in the Advanced divisions pool, 27 in the Intermediate/Rec/Jr pool and 44 in the Pro divisions. My guess is that the Advanced and Intermediate/Rec. pools will be filled by Wednesday night at the current rate. Pro divisions, who knows.......

I would suggest that no one should plan on showing up and registering Friday/Saturday. If you know anyone coming from any distance, please convince them to pre-register. I WILL turn away people after I hit 72 players per pool.

I will be coming in on Thursday to sign up.

I want to let those who are coming from afar know , RCDC has put in alot of work on these courses . The courses are playing better/smoother than ever. Come enjoy some awesome disc golfing this weekend !

Is the winner of this tourney going to be decided by HANDICAP???? Or just the USDGC qualifiers

Is the winner of this tourney going to be decided by HANDICAP???? Or just the USDGC qualifiers

Handicapping will only be used to determine USDGC qualifiers.

I did not get all the players in, but most of them are now showing on the PDGA web site. With the players that showed up today I have only 29 spots left in the Advanced divisions pool, 27 in the Intermediate/Rec/Jr pool and 44 in the Pro divisions. My guess is that the Advanced and Intermediate/Rec. pools will be filled by Wednesday night at the current rate. Pro divisions, who knows.......

I would suggest that no one should plan on showing up and registering Friday/Saturday. If you know anyone coming from any distance, please convince them to pre-register. I WILL turn away people after I hit 72 players per pool.

Remaining spots.......

Pool A (pro divisions) 41 spots left
Pool B (adv divisions) 25 spots left
Pool C (int/rec div) 23 spots left

I will be closing the registeration down on www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com) on Thursday night at 10 if the pools do not fill by then. At that time the only remaining spots will be on a first come/ first serve basis. If you are driving any distance you want to pre-register. Please do not call and ask for a spot to be held. Today I recieved requests for at least 20 spots. I cannot hold spots, if I do and you have not committed then the spot is unavailable for players that show up to register, because I am expecting players to show. Several years back I had a player call and beg for 4 spots to be held since they were driving from multiple miles away. I broke my policy because it was a good story with lots of promises. The playesr did not show and I had turned away other players. My own brother has to pre-register, it is a policy I hold to.

If I won't hold a spot for my family, you had better have donated a kidney to me for a spot to be held. I am the orginal owner of both of my kidneys.

So, either get on to www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com) or e-mail me and we can work out an e-mail transfer.

Zzzzzz. Zzzzzz.

Someone wake me up if this thread gets interesting because right now, it is about as compelling as a the back of a shampoo bottle. Perhaps it is because most disc golfers can't spell well enough to get to the PDGA website.

Mike
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If I won't hold a spot for my family, you had better have donated a kidney to me for a spot to be held. I am the orginal owner of both of my kidneys.


I've got your kidney right here...

Seriosuly, you have no idea how much pre-registering helps the TD. If you've ever experienced a delay in an event starting, it's because someone has pulled the crap Jerry mentioned above, and wanted to show up at the last minute to sign up. Not many sports allow that at all, and those that do have an army of volunteers and no real capacity limit (i.e. running events). If you are tentative, just sign up. If you find out you can't make it, you can probably get a full (or near-full) refund.

The following is a Public Service Announcement for all Advanced Masters players:

We know as you get older, those pesky disc golf bags get heavier and heavier. Feel free to take all the overstable discs out of your bag before traveling to Tyler to save a little weight as you will have no need for them on Sunday. ;-)

Mike
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Jeremy ' Luckwood' aced hole 6 on dogwood today !was -1 after hole 7 and after 8 should have been -3 (he missed 2 average /easy putts) (if he only had the same 'luck' with putting )with 3 bogeys that was pretty good shooting , but little to his demise dogwood struck again with some harsh punishment leaving him with a +12 final score. Great Ace though !! Way to go LUCKWOOD !!

Remaing spots:

Pro divisions 38
Adv divisions 19
Int/Rec/Jr div 15

The point Derek Henry made above is a very good one. Players tend to dislike standing around and waiting for the players meeting to start and the round to get underway and most of the time it is because the TD is trying to get everyone registered that decided to wait to register late. It takes up time and affects all the other players. I take care of that problem by closing registeration at 8:00. If you choose to wait to register, please do so as early as possible. At 8:00 AM I will not take any more registerations. I will close registeration down. Why? Because I believe that you don't cater to the few individuals that put off registering, but instead reward the players that are prompt. I guess I am just an *****, but if you ask anyone that has played my event, I am ON TIME.

We are slowly filling up and only have so many spots left. Please do not think that because you drove from somewhere else, I will allow you to register if I am full. I cannot over fill the pools. There simply is not enough daylight to allow for larger than 4 person cards or ghost cards. Once again, I cater to the players that pre-registered. If we fill during the day tomorrow, I will close registeration for the full pools. If we do not fill then the spots left will be filled on a first come/ first serve basis. If you choose to register Friday or early Saturday morning, that is fine, I have time set aside for that, I just cannot promise you a place is available.

I will post spots left by 10PM tomorrow and again on Friday. I hope everyone that wants to come, can make it.

only 16 open players?????

Odd, but I believe most are going to register tomorrow at Lindsey. Another way to look at it would be that since I add money there will be fewer to split it with.

I have had several players call and ask how much will be added. I will certainly beat the minimum required. I am pretty confident there will be at least $1000 thrown in above the $1500 required by the PDGA. Possibly more, but money added depends on CFR and disc sales at this point. Remember that this is a charity event first, but there is added cash.

What are the pars for the courses?

Also when will the list of handicap projections be listed?

What are handicap projections?

and

Jerry, Titledisc will be open until midnight. Correct?

Jerry, Titledisc will be open until midnight. Correct?

James, I believe he said 10pm.

Chris Farhnam in the pro division is looking for a partner for doubles . If your interested leave a message on here or show up friday and let him know yourself . Thanks

The following is a Public Service Announcement for all Advanced Masters players:

We know as you get older, those pesky disc golf bags get heavier and heavier. Feel free to take all the overstable discs out of your bag before traveling to Tyler to save a little weight as you will have no need for them on Sunday. ;-)

Alright then Mike tell us whats in your bag, since you play these courses all the time!!:eek::eek: While your at it tell Mr. Eads what the course pars are...I'm sure you know:rolleyes:... Here is something else you should know.... This isn't the 54, plastic flies alittle different in the cool weather and I'm bringing the chill! :D:cool:

hey Duff glad to see your going to make it this year again and I can tell ya whats in his bag , Discraft and only Discraft . There may be a few par 4's figured in , but I guess the TD will figure that into the ratings or something I dunno.

What are the pars for the courses?

For Dogwood short the par is 59 and this proves out with the SSA as well, for Dogwood long the par is 64, with new hole placements and the SSA proves this out as well without addition of a few new hole placements, Cedar long is a par 48 course, but the SSA says it is a 53. I don't understand the SSA on that one. Hickory long is a par 55 and the SSA agrees.

Also when will the list of handicap projections be listed?

I am waiting for registeration to complete before posting projections. I will post it Saturday before the event and after each round.

What are handicap projections?

and

Jerry, Titledisc will be open until midnight. Correct?

Handicap projections are how Innova calculates expect scores and rates players. They have been using it at USDGC for years, but it is a little known fact.

Titledisc will be closed at 10 to assure the tournament does not overfill when I shut my squinty little eyes for the night.

TO ALL:

Pool A, pro divisions has 31 spots left
Pool B, the adv divisions has 11 spots left. I told a few poeple it was 9, sorry I miscounted
Pool C, Int/Rec has 5 spots left. (woman player signed up late and I don't have name written down)

Everyone has 1 hour left to pre-register after that it is first come first serve at the course. Women will be given preference, so if there is a line and a woman walks up, she will go to the front of the line.

How can you have a Par 48?????? Are there par 2's out there.

I'm a local and par 48 is a really good score on that course if you ask me ,if you score a 48 you pretty much had a perfect game from the long teepads.Maybe he means from the short tees .

How can you have a Par 48?????? Are there par 2's out there.

Chris,

Almost every course you play has holes that 1000 rated players will shoot a 2 on. Most people just go with a par of 3 on those holes, but statistically those holes are actually par 2 holes. We have gotten so use to assuming that every hole is a par 3 that when we play a course that is actually a par 64, such as Dogwood long, it is hard to accept getting a 4 on a hole and still birdying the hole.

I think you know this and I think that you have played many courses where a par 54 is ridiculous. The SSA suggests it is a par 53 course which means that at least one of the holes is a par 2. On this course I think the SSA should be lower. Cedar was put in as the first course in Tyler and has some holes that are not as challenging as either Dogwood or Hickory. The club has made the course more difficult, as players progress in Tyler, but it is an intermediate course.

The par used for tabulation is 54 though. With your rating and good conditions, in my opinion, you should shoot 48.

You will now need to register at the park. I will be taking registeration from 1 to 5 on Friday and from 7 to 8 on Saturday morning. First come/First serve.

Ok thats fine everyone does things different and its fine if its clearly defined like you just did.
I know last year I shot a 51 on it and shot a 1020 on it but it wasnt the greatest weather.

Advanced
Matt Harrison Joey Ducket 48 $66
Nathan Davis Chris Harris 50 $55
Chris V.C. Jerry Q 51 $44
Dewayne Furr Zach Tate 53 $33
Keven Bates Chase Pruitt 54 $22
Anthony Cordova Bates Hopkins 55
Mikes Strout Jeremy Lockwood 55
Rafiel Gary 58
Louis Nathan Tisdale 58
Lawrence Bacon Stephin Van Ripper 58
Lew S. Scott Murry 64

Intermediate
Tim D Johnny D. 48 $55
Paul Freebird 51 $48
Sean Cliff 53 $33
Brandon B Goose 53 $33
Garner Ty 53 $33
Darren Jason 54 $9
Clint Tom 54 $9
Christom Chris 55
Luke Gabe 55
Ryan Grayson 56
Fresh Mark 60

Open
Chris F. Sonny A 48 $75
Matthew Mayo Denny Ortega 51 $45
Kasey Bear 60
Casey Sills Chris Walls 61

Okay I am pretty close to full. Somehow an intermediate or rec player creeped in and I have 73 in the Int/Rec pools.

I am tight in the Advanced Divisions (see below) and 25+ left in the Pro Divisions. Since the pro divisions are not close to filling, I am going to move one of the Advanced divisions over to the Pro Pool. This gives me more room in the advanced group. If you are Int/Rec there is no space left, but I can get more advanced in then the original 72 limit.

See everyone tomorrow.

Who is leading this thing? I was am kind of shocked to see many of the names missing from last weeks A-tier. Nikko, Emac, Ulli, Yeti, Olse, Double G.

Who is leading this thing? I was am kind of shocked to see many of the names missing from last weeks A-tier. Nikko, Emac, Ulli, Yeti, Olse, Double G.

Nikko and Ulli didn't show up last weekend. Eric, Jay, Mike, and Double G did though, it was a lot of fun, played behind the lead pro card for the last round.

I saw on face book that Devan Owens broke the course record by 5 the first round.

It would be nice to see some scores.

scores are up

I could be wrong, but I could have sworn scores were up by 2:12 AM. Scores are up for the A tier group and will be up for the B tier soon.

I want to thank all the players that were able to make it. I believe that everyone had a good time, that is accept for the wives, husbands or caddies that had to put up with the wind and temp today while they watched others play. I also thank the staff that assisted. They did tons of work and helped to pull off a very good event. Next, the Rose City Disc Club put untold amount of work in the courses to get everything in order. Last year Dogwood saw it's first major event and was in it's infancy. This year Dogwood played more like a rebellious teenager. We still have some work to do, but the course is maturing well. Lastly, thanks to all the sponsors who gave money to help with the tournament. They donated money with very little return expected. Please, please, please honor the sponsors with your business if possible.

I have come to the realization, I cannot run full pools for this event. The time of year does not allow for it. In years past I was able to complete all rounds with daylight and even had payout complete by 5PM on Sunday. Those days are gone if I continue to allow the event to fill. Next year I will be limiting all pools at 60 players and will not take registeration after Friday. I would love to allow everyone to play that wants to, but I cannot cause a whole pool to be delayed because I want to get 12 more players per pool in. Because of timing I had to have three seperate payouts and I don't think that the honor was given to the Pro divisions that is usual. A lot of Int/Rec players stayed through to the end and that was very kind. I of course did entice them with give-aways, but still it was good that they did.

To the Open division, I truely wish that I had thousands of dollars to get the payout higher. I do know that a lot of Open players are living off this sport and it is good that Disc Golf is getting to the point where some can do this. As players can focus on the sport we will see skill levels continue to increase. However, one question that I received from several Open players was "could I guarantee $1000 to the first place Pro?" Oddly enough, if the pro pool had filled it would have been over $1000 payout to first. I had one pro tell me that they would not come unless I offered more money. I wish I could pay more, I wish the sport generated enough interest that more sponsors could be found. Quite frankly I was very impressed with the Open players that did make the event and stated that while they would like to see more money they thought that payouts were reasonable. For those open players that wanted to make it, but could not, I can understand. Whether it was because the cost to travel was too high in regards to potential winnings, or other reasons. I beleive it is a wise decision to weigh an event gain versus loss. I doubt that I will ever be able to get big money for this event. I will continue to try, but my focus is balanced between fund raising for the charity and building up the pro payouts. I hope that this does not discourage players from coming, but until our sports becomes better recogized, it is doubtful that we will ever pull larger sponsorships. One way disc golf will grow is by being recogized and in my opinion an effect way of doing this is by coupling with charities. Let disc golf become synonamous with charities and big sponsors will start to seek us out.

My two cents. I believe everyone had a good time, even with the few mishaps. Until we meet again.

Jerry Power
PDGA # 4207

Great job Jerry...you did as good a job as possible with this event, especially given that your printer gave out at the worst time possible! I agree with your decision to cap players at 60 per pool next year. This could help shave a half hour per round most likely. I would also try to start at 8:00 on Sunday. I know it's early and potentially cold this time of year, but daylight is extremely limited. If you guys ever get a 4th course installed (and I know you are all are planning to), you'd be able to pull 240 players, which would be great. You could pair up the most difficult course with the least difficult, stagger the lunch break, and that should help get things ended as early as possible.

A suggestion...could you print out cards the Friday night before for everyone who signed up at that point, and then add any others after that? Is it required that initially players are put in order of last name or PDGA rating or something like that?

A suggestion...could you print out cards the Friday night before for everyone who signed up at that point, and then add any others after that? Is it required that initially players are put in order of last name or PDGA rating or something like that?

Absolutely, if I close registeration on Friday night, cards would be ready within a short time after I know the last player. Initially players are put in order by last name, after the first round it is based on score. As for printing cards before registeration is closed, no can do. Part of determining hole assignments depends on the number of players per division. There are odd numbers that cannot be easily assigned. The best way to think of it is how to setup cards at a club mini. If I have 15 players I may decide on 5 - 3 man cards for speed of play or 3 - 4 man cards and 1 - 3 man card, because if I make 3 man cards and someone drops the card cannot play out. If I have 16 players, I would have 4 - 4 man cards or 4 - 3 man cards and 1 - 4 man card for speed of play. If I have 17 players I now do 2 - 4 man cards and 3 - 3 man cards, etc. Now throw in multiple divisions, limit the hole count (18 holes per round for our courses), consider the divisions that are being played and their speed of play, and try to figure out where the large cards should be if the pool overfills. If the pool was only a single division, it is pretty easy, but the pools are not at the PWO. So that was long winded, but no, I cannot print cards until after the registeration is closed. And if I did and had to move one player to make things work, that one player would be the one that decided to walk back to tournament central to find out why they were not on a card and would miss a hole or two of play.

By closing registeration on Friday night I could post hole assignments Friday night and as soon as the Rules meeting is complete, cards would be available.

In general, I do take comments, good and bad as long as they are constructive. If anyone has an opinion that will help the event please share. If you do not want to post then send me a private message.

To the Open division, I truely wish that I had thousands of dollars to get the payout higher. I do know that a lot of Open players are living off this sport and it is good that Disc Golf is getting to the point where some can do this. As players can focus on the sport we will see skill levels continue to increase. However, one question that I received from several Open players was "could I guarantee $1000 to the first place Pro?" Oddly enough, if the pro pool had filled it would have been over $1000 payout to first. I had one pro tell me that they would not come unless I offered more money. I wish I could pay more, I wish the sport generated enough interest that more sponsors could be found. Quite frankly I was very impressed with the Open players that did make the event and stated that while they would like to see more money they thought that payouts were reasonable. For those open players that wanted to make it, but could not, I can understand. Whether it was because the cost to travel was too high in regards to potential winnings, or other reasons. I beleive it is a wise decision to weigh an event gain versus loss. I doubt that I will ever be able to get big money for this event. I will continue to try, but my focus is balanced between fund raising for the charity and building up the pro payouts. I hope that this does not discourage players from coming, but until our sports becomes better recogized, it is doubtful that we will ever pull larger sponsorships. One way disc golf will grow is by being recogized and in my opinion an effect way of doing this is by coupling with charities. Let disc golf become synonamous with charities and big sponsors will start to seek us out.


I honestly don't know why you worry about this. Trying to accomodate people that want 1K guaranteed is futile and counter-productive. Just add what you can (or what is required), offer a good venue and a well run tourney. That is plenty.

btw, that is exactly what you did. Thanks and very nice job to you, the staff, and the club.

Thank you James, I appreciate your opinion and comments.

I too tried to have $1000 for 1st place at this years Outlaws and it just wasn't possible. I came close but would never even been close if it wasn't for a used car that was donated and raffled off. Here's an idea...all you traveling pro's that go around selling all your goods on the road, toss us struggling TD's some of the coin your collecting from your winnings and your sales.

When will you post the 10 people who qualified for the "USDGC"

When will you post the 10 people who qualified for the "USDGC"

I have passed the list to the USDGC group and will let them post. I believe they want it up today.

The USDGC will be posting the qualification list tomorrow.

Jerry,

In years past I was able to raise added cash for my tournament through mini's. No sure if this would work for you, but I ran a monthly mini at the course and $2 from every persons entry went toward added cash for the event. Over the course of a short time, you can build up a nice chunk to help support the event. Be open with the players about what you are doing and you can even vary the amount so that it works for your event, but I was able to raise about $300 extra for added cash for my event. Just a thought.

Jerry,

In years past I was able to raise added cash for my tournament through mini's. No sure if this would work for you, but I ran a monthly mini at the course and $2 from every persons entry went toward added cash for the event. Over the course of a short time, you can build up a nice chunk to help support the event. Be open with the players about what you are doing and you can even vary the amount so that it works for your event, but I was able to raise about $300 extra for added cash for my event. Just a thought.

We have talked about that here, the biggest problem being that we have a small club. We do raise money, but it usaully goes for either course development or the Ice Bowl. These courses are great examples of what our course development can accomplish. I am of the opinion that I don't need to worry about it anymore. This event will probably never be big money, but it is adequate.

Did I spell that right? I need to get hold of David "Big Buck" Lantis. Please private message his phone or ask him to contact me. Thanks.

The ten players who qualified for the 2011 USDGC were as follows:

Charles Chung, 390 points
Doug Garner, 384 points
Jeremy Bird Grange, 380 points
Rusty Glazner, 371 points
Jeremy Lockwood, 368 points
Christopher Farnham, 356 points
Timmy Dorsey, 349 points
Chrystom Stout, 348 points
John Hatcher, 348 points
Andrew Machinski, 342 points

What do the points mean for the qualifiers?

I am trying to get hold of Jere Oliver if someone could send me his phone number or address I would appreciate it. Thanks