Does anyone know if there is a public list of players that have qualified for this year's USDGC? Can we start a list here?

It would help to know how far in the standings the spots are being given out at each qualifier event.

Here you go.


http://www.usdgc.com/competitors/eligible-competitors

Thank you!

This event just became even harder to get too.



For immediate release:
August 25, 2010
This year marks the 12th anniversary of the United States Disc Golf Championship (USDGC). Since its inception in 1999, the USDGC has grown into one of disc golf’s premier championship events. Innova Disc Golf, in association with the event’s many volunteers, sponsors, USDGC Partners, Winthrop University, and the Professional Disc Golf Association, is extremely proud to have been such an integral part of our game’s history.
Innova considers it a privilege to be in a leadership position. We have seen disc golf, and our business, grow and change tremendously over nearly three decades. The disc golf market is continually expanding and Innova is more committed than ever to improving our service to this incredibly diverse community of players.
In recognition of the growth of disc golf around the globe, we have decided to move the USDGC to a biennial schedule. Effective immediately, the USDGC will alternate years with Europe’s major event – The European Open. The USDGC will be held in even numbered years and the European Open in odd numbered years. This will enable better global promotion of professional disc golf, as well as afford us an opportunity to serve another important segment of the disc golf population.
Amateur and recreational golfers represent the fastest growing portion of the disc golf community. With these players in mind, a new event will visit the famous grounds at Winthrop University in 2011. Details will be forthcoming, but two of the guiding principles will be: Amateurism and Fun Competition in a Professional Setting at Winthrop. Despite these changes our mission remains the same; to live disc golf and to enable others to discover such a wonderful lifetime sport.
We are excited about the future of disc golf, more so than ever before. Opportunity for the game’s advancement abounds. We are confident that this new schedule will allow the USDGC to sustain its tradition of excellence, while building an even better fan base for the game’s elite.
One thing you can count on this fall is that Innova and the USDGC family are steadily preparing for our greatest tournament experience to date. We look forward to October, and to seeing you here.
Warmest regards,
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that Americans can not participate in the European Championships?

If we can't, then why go to every other year?

that Americans can not participate in the European Championships?



Doesn't look like it...

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8400

Maybe we (Non-Europeans) have obtained the concession of playing in the Euro Championships next year because of this rescheduling.

If the TD's want to use the excuse/reason of "burn-out" to hold each tourney once every 2 years, alternately, I wouldn't blame them.

There are two major events with European in the name. The European Open is open to players from any country and has been hosted every odd numbered year. The European Championship is in even years and is limited to Europeans. The Scandinavian Open is another major open to everyone and is hosted in even numbered years along with the Japan Open.

Thanks for the clarification, Chuck.

I think this is a very bad idea.

I've had bad ideas, and this seems like one of them.

Why does the PDGA want to slow down the momentum.

When you're on a roll, you don't get up and leave the table.


I hope it all works out for the best, but I think this is absolutley ridiculous.

Competitive disc golf in the United States is not suffering from a lack of growth. Why on earth would we slow it down ourselves?


Players look forward to the USDGC like nothing else in the sport.


Maybe the NFL should have slowed down the Superbowl in the early 80's to make room for Canadian and European football (US style football). Dumb.


Mike Rideout

As a reminder to everyone, "the PDGA" does not run the USDGC. Harold and Innova East do it. They do all of it. They convinced their company to run the most desired disc ever (CE Roc) and make it only a fundraiser for their tourney. They had a vision involving invites and gold rope, and didn't listen to the whiners. It was their idea for One Division/One Champion, and they haven't backed down.

They've even been known to use non-PDGA sanctioned tourneys for qualifiers.

So if they want to go to every-other year for whatever reasons they want to do so, they will. It's not up to "the PDGA" because "the PDGA" doesn't run this wonderful event.

Just remember how everyone hated limited edition CE Rocs, gold rope, invites, where the qualifying tourneys were located, the clown's mouth, and a prayer at the opening player meeting.

I think it has all turned out wonderfully, and it will continue to do so. I doubt this will ruin the event, but if does so what. They've done all the work and sweat and we haven't done jack, so let them.

As a reminder to everyone, "the PDGA" does not run the USDGC. Harold and Innova East do it. They do all of it. They convinced their company to run the most desired disc ever (CE Roc) and make it only a fundraiser for their tourney. They had a vision involving invites and gold rope, and didn't listen to the whiners. It was their idea for One Division/One Champion, and they haven't backed down.

They've even been known to use non-PDGA sanctioned tourneys for qualifiers.

So if they want to go to every-other year for whatever reasons they want to do so, they will. It's not up to "the PDGA" because "the PDGA" doesn't run this wonderful event.

Just remember how everyone hated limited edition CE Rocs, gold rope, invites, where the qualifying tourneys were located, the clown's mouth, and a prayer at the opening player meeting.

I think it has all turned out wonderfully, and it will continue to do so. I doubt this will ruin the event, but if does so what. They've done all the work and sweat and we haven't done jack, so let them.

even though I'm saddened by the 2 years thing, you are 100% correct, great post! It is not the players or pdgas decision, and I am sure they have valid reasons for doing so, otherwise they wouldn't want to mess with what they started.

On topic of the 2010 US, will the caddybook be out soon? thanks

Was just about to say the same regarding the 'PDGA's bad idea".

Adding to it, it may be that the people who run the USDGC are of the opinion that going to alternating years and running an Am event in off years results in even more players looking forward to the experience. A whole lot more.

Sounds pretty smart to me.

Ok, it's hard to argue against that. If the owners of the event want to make a change, it's theirs to make. Everyone's entitled to make silly decisions.


If this is the case, I would like to see the PDGA jump up and support a different professional event in the United States, since this is where the momentum is, and continue with something grand. I know it would take another huge investor, but I hope the PDGA isn't worried about competing with Europe and would embrase a new event here.


Mike Rideout

Great post, Rhett.

There's nothing stopping anyone else from emulating their success. Get a brilliant and unorthodox idea, devote immense effort and resources to it, and grow it to the scale the USDGC has become.

Steve Dodge is trying with the Players Cup. I doubt anyone else will.

I'm sure the PDGA would "jump up and support" someone's effort to run another professional event. But they aren't in the business of creating or running events (with perhaps a partial exception for Worlds). That will require the efforts of someone else or another group.

Sorry Mike, but currently it's not the role of the org.

The PDGA might not be in the business of creating or running events, but don't they put a huge amount of time and effort into NTs and majors in order to help their high level of development. I'm not saying the PDGA should form an event, but I hope that they support another event in the same fashion they have supported the USDGC.

Maybe I am way off base here. Am I wrong to think that the PDGAs involvment with the USDGC has helped its growth through the resources they have brought to the tournament?

I believe you are greatly minimizing the efforts of the people directly involved in making the USDGC what it is. It can't happen without this, the PDGA can't will it so.

Members and supporters of the PDGA can, have and hopefully will continue to create and grow great events and programs. The org is a collection of these people.

I certainly didn't mean to minimize their efforts. Why would you say this?


I would like the PDGA to support another large event, not run a large event.


When the PDGA supports an event and makes it an NT or major, the event gets a lot more attention and it's growth can feed on that. I know it is still up to the people that run the event.


Minimize their efforts, if anything, the fact I care enough to talk about this topic online should be a sign of my recognition of their spectacular efforts.

So who all will be out for Saturday qualifying? Any top guys forget to or not register in time?

So who all will be out for Saturday qualifying? Any top guys forget to or not register in time?

Ben Callaway.

I hope he qualifies so he can show these guys who the top 'King Masher' is. :)

I certainly didn't mean to minimize their efforts. Why would you say this?


I would like the PDGA to support another large event, not run a large event.


When the PDGA supports an event and makes it an NT or major, the event gets a lot more attention and it's growth can feed on that. I know it is still up to the people that run the event.


Minimize their efforts, if anything, the fact I care enough to talk about this topic online should be a sign of my recognition of their spectacular efforts.

I think my wording was wrong. Sorry, didn't mean to be critical of your post or approach.

What I'm trying to say is that the USDGC would never have happened nor continued without the efforts put forth by those directly involved. It is their support that made the tournament what it is. The PDGA didn't make it a large event or a major. In fact, the PDGA doesn't make any event an NT or Major beyond perhaps conveying the title after the people involved get it to the point where the event can meet the criteria and can fit in the schedule.

I don't mean to downplay the PDGA role here, and am trying to step carefully while answering so as not to. Tournaments happen primarily because of local people stepping up and making it possible. The PDGA can and does provide support, be it major, c-tier or whatever. But the burden of growing and deciding how big of an event a tournament will be falls on the hands of those who create and run it.

If someone or a group wants to take the responsibility and task to create and maintain a large tournament running opposite years of the USDGC, then they are free to give it a go. If not, then it won't happen and there will be nothing for the PDGA to back. With the current model, the burden to make it happen doesn't lie with the PDGA.

I have never missed a USDGC and was really bummed when I heard this. This is the one tourney I strive to qualify for and the one event I look forward to most every year. I have not been to Worlds for over ten years now because that is the event I choose to spend a week of vacation attending. I am sure they have good reasons and expect this to only better the event they have created. I wonder what they will have in store for 2012?

Can't wait for next month!

I have never missed a USDGC and was really bummed when I heard this. This is the one tourney I strive to qualify for and the one event I look forward to most every year. I have not been to Worlds for over ten years now because that is the event I choose to spend a week of vacation attending. I am sure they have good reasons and expect this to only better the event they have created. I wonder what they will have in store for 2012?

Can't wait for next month!


My sentiments exactly. The one DG event that really matters in terms of pride, prestige, and payout (which is why I get so upset at the "testing lab" mentality that goes on every year with the rules)....oh well. Looking forward to football season early next year.

Harold and/or USDGC Staff,

Will there be any significant changes to the course from last year? Looking as if I will get there in time for the players meeting at best. :-(

United States Disc Golf Championship (USDGC)

European Disc Golf Championship ( EDGC )


I may be wrong , I thought these were 2 separate events ?

Hey Brad,

The course seemed to play well last year. Right now, we do not anticipate many changes. We are exploring various options for hole 14, and we are examining options to replace a key tree on hole 1.

I hope that this note finds you well.

Take care,
Harold

Hey Brad,

The course seemed to play well last year. Right now, we do not anticipate many changes. We are exploring various options for hole 14, and we are examining options to replace a key tree on hole 1.

I hope that this note finds you well.

Take care,
Harold

Thanks Harold.

I was also wondering if the buncr rules will be the same as last year?

Hey Brad,

Like the course, the ground rules seemed to have work pretty well last year. The Buncr and other course rules will be substantially unchanged unless there are problems that we learn about.

Take care,
Harold

Harold,

Do I understand it correctly that those who earn 1 of the 5 spots at the Saturday qualifying do not get to put their 50 (+) dollars towards their entry?

Thanks,

Dana

Hey Dana,

You are correct. The last chance qualifying fee(s) are not applied towards the tournamant entry fee.

Take care,
Harold

Boooo.....so much for course management

So when can we expect the caddy book to be updated and online?

Thanks for all you do.

John

So I went down to play the course last weekend with some friends that came into town. Granted there was no rope up yet and a couple of baskets were in alternate positions, I'm guessing to try and help the grass grow back around the normal pin positions. Holes 1, 6, 14 and 16.

Overall no major changes from last year with one exception. On hole 18, the small tree that sat half way up the hill is gone. Also the big tree behind it had most of the branches trimmed away to about 40 foot up the tree. May not seem like much but this seems to be the landing area for alot of the shots come tournament time. This has really opened up the hole as far as tee shots go and should keep folks from having to get on thier knees for the second shot.

BunCr

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Interestingly, there are more total throws made with buncrs than with OB. So there are actually more course management decisions that need to be made with buncrs.

yes, but those buncr throws dont hurt as much as o.b's do on some off the buncr rule holes!!!!

And that's the point. Just like sand traps don't hurt as much in ball golf as OB. Same idea. Landing in a buncr isn't as bad of a shot as landing OB. Very little actual OB in ball golf in comparison to what are mostly hazards. Disc golf has been more brutal in using OB in many cases than it needs to be. Buncrs provide a more appropriate risk/reward to penalize somewhat less than good shots.

Chuck I agree that disc golf has been more brutal than
ball golf with the use of ob's. That being said sand traps
in ball golf are more of a crap shoot than going ob. Sometimes
yes it's better but most of the time your lie or ability to get out
of the trap can be very challenging. The golden rule in ball golf
after landing in the trap is "just get out first".

When you go ob in ball golf you are able to take your lie anywhere
on the line that your ball flew. So you back up to the fairway (following
the line your ball took) so you can get a better shot. Most ball golfers
look at ob's and sand traps as taking extra strokes.

Buncr's are very weak. All the players think so and it has certainly
taken away from the integrity of this event. Hole 17 at USDGC went
from being our hole 17 at Sawgrass (ball golf) to just another par 3.
I understand that someone taking a big number is frustrating but
to have them throw into water and not take a stroke is just silly.

And that's the point. Just like sand traps don't hurt as much in ball golf as OB. Same idea. Landing in a buncr isn't as bad of a shot as landing OB. Very little actual OB in ball golf in comparison to what are mostly hazards. Disc golf has been more brutal in using OB in many cases than it needs to be. Buncrs provide a more appropriate risk/reward to penalize somewhat less than good shots.

your right it does penalize less than ob!!!! which is why it takes away from course management skills and how not to take a round killing score on some of the holes which are now buncr rule holes. It takes out the bulk of the thought process which is what makes that course and event fun

And that's the point. Just like sand traps don't hurt as much in ball golf as OB. Same idea. Landing in a buncr isn't as bad of a shot as landing OB. Very little actual OB in ball golf in comparison to what are mostly hazards. Disc golf has been more brutal in using OB in many cases than it needs to be. Buncrs provide a more appropriate risk/reward to penalize somewhat less than good shots.

OB in ball golf does includes "stroke and distance" which is considerably more painful than disc golf.

Throw and distance is still used as a penalty on some holes on the USDGC layout. I'm amazed at the Luddite point of view that disses a new play structure that has finally been developed that fits in between no penalty and a penalty and works like a sand trap in ball golf. We have to do things differently to excute the same effect on an open course that's similar to landing just off the fairway in the woods. Sometimes you can recover from the edge of the woods and not lose a shot and other times it costs you a shot.

It's unfortunate that Harold is only using the most extreme form of buncrs where the player rethrows so the penalty is greater than the milder form of buncrs. Stan and Carlton have used them in Renny and Buckhorn in their more "normal" form where the player just moves back on the line of play down from a steeper hillside area where a player may not be able to stand. They weren't called buncrs, just relief areas but that's another form of buncrs. But course desigers can also use them as penalty areas with a little less bite than OB that fits the milder error in a player's throw.

Hole 17 is the big complaint I here from
the players. Why the rule there? An extreme hillside
or extreme rough seems reasonable to use buncr but
hole 17?

I heard it was because some felt that throwing yourself
(literally) out of the tournament was not good for the sport.
I disagree. Michael Jo is right on about the course management.
There is a lay up zone that Feldberg takes or used to before
this new rule.

I am an Am player and will never play in the USDGC but
I am just a little sad about the every other year, buncr and the
focus they will be putting on Am players in the future. Just feel
the tournament has lost just a little prestige for the touring
player. They need this tournament.

Also, lots of players compete just to get those coveted
qualifier spots. That won't be there next year at The Memorial
or any of the other NT's. To me that is going backwards.
End rant.

Hole 17 was finally "fixed" with the buncr rule. If you look at maybe the 5th issue of Flying Disc Magazine, the complete scoring history and design changes of Hole 17 were explained. It never worked well until the buncr rule was introduced and it has nothing to do with the extremely high scores. There have also been some with the buncr rule. The problem before was the double hump scoring distribution with OB. Most of the scores were either 2s or a number higher than 3. This is ridiculous on a hole that is par 3.

On holes like this in ball golf which Hole 17 was patterned after, a score of 3 was still the highest percentage on BG island holes. That's because putting is tougher in BG than DG. If putting could be changed in DG by using say smaller baskets or requiring bigger discs, the scoring would likely be fine on the later versions of Hole 17 before buncrs. But that isn't happening.

The buncrs on hole 17 have smoothed out the scoring distribution exactly like you would want for a hole that had progressive risk/reward choices. And, there are more choices per throw on buncr holes than OB holes. The last two years with buncrs on 17, a score of 3 was the most common with a smooth curve over the scoring range. The sad thing about course design until buncrs is that designers have felt lots of OB is needed to make a tough course. There have even been rewards for shooting par or better on all holes at Winthrop with no OB penalties. In BG, typically there is less than one OB penalty per player on average per tournament.

Chuck I love your enthusiasm and openness
to the game and it's statistics.
Keep up the good work!

Good luck to all the players and staff at
the USDGC.

I think it's a brilliant idea going to alternating years. This will give the USDGC promoters extra time to bulk up the purse for the main event. You see what they do in a year. Imagine what it will be like with 2 years to prepare! Hopefully we will finally see a top prize of over $30,000 for a change. That will surely open some eyes and disc golf might actually get recognized for a change.

Plus Am player's will finally get a true taste of championship level disc golf. Hopefully there will be high entry fee's for that tournament and some of it will go to the USDGC. That's the way it should be in my opinion. I realized that the PDGA isn't the driving force behind the USDGC, but you do have to be a member of the PDGA to play in it. PDGA being, Professional Disc Golf Association.

Let the bashing begin!!!

On a lighter note. There are a few of us out there that love spectating at the USDGC and part of that effort is playing a spectator round on Sunday. Normally there's a tee time registration option on the USDGC.com site, but I can't seem to find that this go around. Is this still available this year and how do I get a tee time?? thanks!!

When you go ob in ball golf you are able to take your lie anywhere
on the line that your ball flew.

Not true.

On a lighter note. There are a few of us out there that love spectating at the USDGC and part of that effort is playing a spectator round on Sunday. Normally there's a tee time registration option on the USDGC.com site, but I can't seem to find that this go around. Is this still available this year and how do I get a tee time?? thanks!!

i recieved this today.

Sign ups for Spectator Appreciation Day will be taken at the DGU (Disc Golf United) tent on October 6, 7, 8, and 9. The DGU tent will be positioned alongside Hole 18, between the PDGA office and the USDGC Pro Shop.

Hole 17 was finally "fixed" with the buncr rule. If you look at maybe the 5th issue of Flying Disc Magazine, the complete scoring history and design changes of Hole 17 were explained. It never worked well until the buncr rule was introduced and it has nothing to do with the extremely high scores. There have also been some with the buncr rule. The problem before was the double hump scoring distribution with OB. Most of the scores were either 2s or a number higher than 3. This is ridiculous on a hole that is par 3.

On holes like this in ball golf which Hole 17 was patterned after, a score of 3 was still the highest percentage on BG island holes. That's because putting is tougher in BG than DG. If putting could be changed in DG by using say smaller baskets or requiring bigger discs, the scoring would likely be fine on the later versions of Hole 17 before buncrs. But that isn't happening.

The buncrs on hole 17 have smoothed out the scoring distribution exactly like you would want for a hole that had progressive risk/reward choices. And, there are more choices per throw on buncr holes than OB holes. The last two years with buncrs on 17, a score of 3 was the most common with a smooth curve over the scoring range. The sad thing about course design until buncrs is that designers have felt lots of OB is needed to make a tough course. There have even been rewards for shooting par or better on all holes at Winthrop with no OB penalties. In BG, typically there is less than one OB penalty per player on average per tournament.

well thanks for letting me talk to a wall for a bit chuck!!! That would have been time well spent if i knew thats what i was doing!!!!!!!!!

It's okay to talk to the wall MJ. When the wall starts to answer we will be concerned! I agree though, it does seem like you're talking to a wall doesn't it?

well thanks for letting me talk to a wall for a bit chuck!!! That would have been time well spent if i knew thats what i was doing!!!!!!!!!

MJ, they have medicine for that. You should seek help for your problems of talking to walls. Try talking to the ceiling, then your looking up. LOL

Love ya brother.

well thanks for letting me talk to a wall for a bit chuck!!! That would have been time well spent if i knew thats what i was doing!!!!!!!!!
I recognize that several players may not like the buncr element as used by the USDGC. Recognize that there are several things introduced by the USDGC over the years that players didn't like initially but have come to understand and eventually defend as important parts of the challenge and experience at Winthrop. Harold and Jonathon listen and evaluate the comments, how all of the holes play each year and have decided it's worth continuing their approach to buncrs. The PDGA isn't doing any arm twisting to make them use them. If anything, more designers are incorporating the buncr elements into their courses were appropriate because they see the benefit.

I recognize that several players may not like the buncr element as used by the USDGC. Recognize that there are several things introduced by the USDGC over the years that players didn't like initially but have come to understand and eventually defend as important parts of the challenge and experience at Winthrop. Harold and Jonathon listen and evaluate the comments, how all of the holes play each year and have decided it's worth continuing their approach to buncrs. The PDGA isn't doing any arm twisting to make them use them. If anything, more designers are incorporating the buncr elements into their courses were appropriate because they see the benefit.

One of the reasons we use the buncr rule on several holes, is to eliminate most spotter calls. ie. Where was the disc last over fair territory? All the spotter has to do with buncrs is say in or out.

Couple of questions Harold,

When will the baskets be set for the tournament layout?

The week leading up to the USDGC, what days will the course be closed for practice?

Thanks,Dean...

I am still trying to figure out where I am going to stay once I get to Rock Hill. If anyone is in the same boat please give me a ring. I would be happy to share hotel costs. I am flying in on Monday afternoon. Kevin Babbit 785-917-0727.

Hole 17 Buncr makes sense. The hole is brutal from a RHBH perspective (I won't start in on LH throwers @ Wintrhop).

But on the easiest par 4's, 9 & 10, it seems silly. But I'm sure there are stats to argue my sentiments. :)

Regardless, I can't wait to get down there and finally play a decent tournament!

I think it's a brilliant idea going to alternating years. This will give the USDGC promoters extra time to bulk up the purse for the main event. You see what they do in a year. Imagine what it will be like with 2 years to prepare! Hopefully we will finally see a top prize of over $30,000 for a change. That will surely open some eyes and disc golf might actually get recognized for a change.

Let the bashing begin!!!

I'll bite. I seriously doubt this change will have much effect on the purse for 2012. Or the European Championships. And Discraft has been putting on Am Nationals quite successfully for years now. None of the reasons given make much sense. But I suspect the thankless task of running this thing has been draining.

So I'll start saying my thank you's now. This is the one event I even really care about. It's been on my mind since April and the only thing on it now. THANK YOU to Harold, Jonathan, Innova and the entire crew who pull off this amazing tournament. THANK YOU!

i recieved this today.

Sign ups for Spectator Appreciation Day will be taken at the DGU (Disc Golf United) tent on October 6, 7, 8, and 9. The DGU tent will be positioned alongside Hole 18, between the PDGA office and the USDGC Pro Shop.

So no way to sign up unless on-site for one of those days? Those of us who work Tues-Sat are left hanging out to dry, as well as people who can't drive back and forth nor want to shell out for a hotel room just to sign up for whatever times are left by Saturday.

The other changes I'm willing to adapt to, but this seems like a a big ol screw you to the casual fans.

you can still get people to put you in their 4 some

you can still get people to put you in their 4 some

ONLY IF one of my playing partners is going to the USDGC prior to Sunday...those of us that had planned to only make one trip to Rock Hill for the spectator round are completely out of luck, for no good reason. Online sign-ups can't be that hard to accomplish, there have been no issues in years past...why change this too?

ONLY IF one of my playing partners is going to the USDGC prior to Sunday...those of us that had planned to only make one trip to Rock Hill for the spectator round are completely out of luck, for no good reason. Online sign-ups can't be that hard to accomplish, there have been no issues in years past...why change this too?
Bill,
i just posted what was passed on to me but if i had to guess why the change i would assume it is beacuse it is called "spectator day" which is a reward for the people who are attending the event.

Bingo Dave, that's what they are encouraging. Come spectate and you get the play the course the big boys play.

Caddy Book has been released.

Check Out Hole 14 and the change they made there.

http://www.usdgc.com/09/24/2010-caddy-book

Bingo Dave, that's what they are encouraging. Come spectate and you get the play the course the big boys play.

And if you can't make it any other day, tough ^%$#. What a nice message to the fans and supporters.

I can buy a spectator ROC without attending on Saturday, can even buy USDGC shirts, DVDs, whatever else (just not the ice cream). Can't, however, make a donation to Habitat and play the course. Still no explanation why not, just speculation...

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Couple of questions Harold,

When will the baskets be set for the tournament layout?

The week leading up to the USDGC, what days will the course be closed for practice?

Thanks,Dean...

Hey Dean,

The targets have been moved. Regarding practice, you can see the schedule at http://www.usdgc.com/06/08/2010-event-schedule . Sunday afternoon, Monday, and Tuesday morning are the practice times.

Take care,
Harold

Harold.....

Will the practice police abuse us competitiors if we sneak onto Holes 8 thru 16 on Tuesday afternoon? I hesitate to even ask because i suspect if you wanted to allow this you would have published it in the official Event Schedule. I see the other 9 holes are being used for the President's Cup. Some of us need as much practice time as we can get....

thanks!

dandoyle

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Update

Well, what is it?

So...

I have not heard anything about media coverage for the 2010 USDGC. I'm all the way on the west coast, and we don't always get timely info on what's happening, so it's possible that I've just missed it.

Is there going to be any live coverage this year? What about the Dots? I love the Dots!! I can watch them at work, etc.


Anyone have any info for me?

No BUNCRs. SWEET!

What about the Dots? I love the Dots!! I can watch them at work, etc.


Anyone have any info for me?

Mike Norris will be doing the Dots again this year.

Well, what is it?

No Buncr and all OB is marked from previous lie.

Take care,
Harold

Mike Norris will be doing the Dots again this year.

Thank you, Nate. And THANK YOU MIKE NORRIS, whoever you are.

Just to make sure I'm reading it right, no bunc'rs at all??

I coulda sworn they were there when I first looked at the book at lunch time.

And the fantasy DGC thing is a fun idea. One problem...they left the current world champ emac off of the list.

Mike Norris will be doing the Dots again this year.

There is a small team of folks responsible for the DOTS each year.

Every year we have done the DOTS with Kevin Smith, Chris MacLeod, and myself.

We have had help over the years from some of the following folks.

Jay Pontier
Max Crotts
Brad Allison
numerous cart drivers to shuttle us around so we can update the throws

Here is a small screen shot of our latest testing that we worked on.

<img src="http://www.usdgcdots.com/images/dots_preview.jpg">

..... all OB is marked from previous lie.

Take care,
Harold

Interesting.

Interesting indeed, definitely toughens things up.

On a side note: Saturday qualifying just got a little easier, I have a funeral Friday and won't be able to make it down in time to play.

Mike,

What software platform do the DOTS work on? Is it Flash?

Thanks,
Ryan

Ryan,
At this point, we will be creating the dot images on an iPhone or iPad during the round. The user interface is done in html and php. Thanks to Mike Norris on the php!

No flash this year!

Cool beans, as long as I can watch it on Android I'm happy.

Thanks guys!

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CLASH Productions have stepped up and added some great prizes to the DGU Fantasy Pool:
In addition to the 10,000 DGU Pro Shop points, 1st place will receive the entire CLASH Series/7 dvd set. 2nd place will receive the entire CLASH Tournament Series/11 dvd set. Thank you Billy and Boz!

Can someone comment on the practice rounds?
If we can't register by 4pm on Monday, can we show up and practice at 7:30 Tuesday morning?
Is practice based on tee times or can we wander the course as needed?
Can we practice 8-16 during the president's cup?

Practice schedule is as follows:
Tuesday, 9/28 - Course available all day
Wednesday, 9/29 - Course available all day
Thursday, 9/30 - Course available all day
Friday, 10/1 - After US Doubles (Only 1 round scheduled that day beginning at 9:00am)
Saturday, 10/2 - Course Closed for Last Chance Qualifier - No practice
Sunday, 10/3 - After US Doubles (Only 1 round scheduled that day beginning at 9:00am)
Monday, 10/4 - Course available all day
Tuesday, 10/5 - Entire course open until 12:45pm, Holes 8 - 16 open from 12:45 until 6:30pm

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Thanks for the quick reply.
Can't wait to arrive.

Does anybody know how many total ft of gold rop is at USDGC?

There is a small team of folks responsible for the DOTS each year.

Every year we have done the DOTS with Kevin Smith, Chris MacLeod, and myself.

We have had help over the years from some of the following folks.

Jay Pontier
Max Crotts
Brad Allison
numerous cart drivers to shuttle us around so we can update the throws

Here is a small screen shot of our latest testing that we worked on.

<img src="http://www.usdgcdots.com/images/dots_preview.jpg">

Mike, what will be the dots web site so we can follow them

www.usdgcdots.com

We will also put the dots out on Facebook.

will there be any way to stay informed on who is leading qualification, and thier scores.?

I would suggest Facebook or Twitter to keep up with the scoring. I am sure some will place scores here as well.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=6658822&fbid=474681809065&id=179691904065

My work blocks all the social networking sites so any updates here would be greatly appreciated. i'm stuck here till 7 PM


ps go cheebonics prime

tia Dave

Matt Peckham - 67
Justin Moore - 70
Hunter Todd - 71
Dutch Napier - 72
Glenn Patterson - 72

thanks jonathan! looks like the stroke and distance change has taken its toll.

Big Wigg, JJ just text, said he didnt make it. He was even through 8. what is par anyway

not sure but last year you needed a 64 to get in. The changes have made things quite abit tougher.

You got that righht. 6 to 8 strokes different. How dead is this discussion board. Where we gonna get up to date info. Any Ideas

http://charlottedgc.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/2070-saturday-usdgc-qualifier/

this is off of the Charlotte Disc Golf Clubs board, there is a bunch of chatter on there about all the information that I think that you are looking for.


See you on the course Rock!!
Love you

Qualifying is done and big props to those that got in. And if you look at just the scores, then yes they seem higher than last year. The new rule change of stroke plus distance makes the Winthrop Gold course even tougher.

For those out there who are unfamiliar with the rule it goes something like this. If you throw out of bounds, you take a stroke penalty and rethrow from the same spot. No forward advancement. The only exception is hole 12 where if you don't make it in bounds on your initial drive then there is a drop zone you move to.

Combine this with a few fairways that are even tighter and the result is higher scores. This year will be some of the highest scores you'll ever see. Par golf should put you in a solid spot for cash. Another thing that I observed that was interesting was the strategy on hole 5 for some qualifiers. I was standing up on the observation deck with Dave Greenwell watching qualifiers throwing out around the clump of trees in the corner as opposed to throwing across the lake. Throw across the lake and don't make it, there's 2 strokes and you're throwing again from the same lie. Seemed easier to take your 6 or 7 by going the long way rather then trying to cross the water and watching your score add up quick.

The winner this year will not only be the one that makes the most putts but alos the one that keeps it in bounds and takes the fewest OB strokes. This is going to be a fun USDGC.

Please use "throw" instead of "stroke." It's really "throw and distance" for OB penalties. The word "stroke" has never been in the disc golf rulebook. Looks like players will be in the throes of many extra throw penalties this year.

Now the Open is truly the toughest test
disc golf has to offer. Distance, accuracy,
course management and mental toughness.

Thanks to Clash!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuaLrWJh7Es

Don't upset the man behind the green curtain! LOL!

This is bizarro world! I'm still trying figure out the reasons for designing a course with one set of rules going towards aggressive golf and then switching the rules drastically without adjusting the course. There is no rough, just rethrow! Records will be broken...will 150?

Jonathan or Harold. Please call me ASAP about the IL State Rep Spot. (Eight Four Seven) 858 - Four Three Six Eight. I sent Jonathan an e-mail and left a message about the situation.

Don't upset the man behind the green curtain! LOL!

This is bizarro world! I'm still trying figure out the reasons for designing a course with one set of rules going towards aggressive golf and then switching the rules drastically without adjusting the course. There is no rough, just rethrow! Records will be broken...will 150?

I saw a 165. But it was a new player (playing only 3 months). We gave him a lot of tips. He got markedly better as the round progressed. Only took an 11 on 888!

Can anyone direct me to the usdgc fantasy golf action? I heard about it last weekend and can't find it. Thx!

http://www.discgolfunited.com/info-center/info-detail.cfm/event_id/4552FD92-5056-B82A-C1B1135E6862FB5A

Does anyone know if the Rockstar Par 3 Shootout is going to be held on Saturday morning? I've played it the last 3 years and was hoping to do so again. It usually works out great because when you get back to Winthrop the lead card is about to tee off. thanks

Due to the dwindling numbers showing up and the need for resources in other areas, we will not be holding the Par 3 shootout this year.

Val aces hole 1 in match play.

Ok, made my donation. Now when do we get to enjoy the live streaming videos. Is thier going to be certain times each day. Anybody?

Tee times for Wednesday: http://www.usdgc.com/10/05/wednesday-tee-times

Wow, wasnt aware we could could change our tee time. ppppssshhhhh.

Where can one find the scores? they usually have them after 6 holes

With the 30 minute starting delay due to the car in the lake, I'm guessing they don't have enough groups thru 6 holes to post them yet.

I feel bad for his caddy.

Car in the lake? What happened???

chris heeren got out of his SUV to take some pics and forgot to put the car in park... splash

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8005/40117154525878527910492.jpg

Haha, that is hilarious! :D

Haha, that is hilarious! :D

I bet not for Chris. Probably not cheap either, and hope he gets a lot of fluids changed and bearings repacked before trying to head home.

http://www.discgolfunited.com/leaderboard/

Hilarious? That is ******* terrible! Wait all year to get down there and then have to do deal with this before the 1st round....

Might be the first 9 on 7 ever (Josh Childs). Throw and distance takes its toll on a new hole.

No birdies on Hole 5 yet. You can see last year's hole scores by clicking on Round 2, 3 or 4 right now. http://www.discgolfunited.com/leaderboard/

Where are the live scoring links.

http://www.discgolfunited.com/leaderboard/

sorry. got it

chris heeren got out of his SUV to take some pics and forgot to put the car in park... splash

http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/8005/40117154525878527910492.jpg

Yeah, well were his pictures any good?

A picture from the drivers side vantage point is the new refreshing angle we need at DiscGolfer.

Seriously though, We will certainly do a feature on the USDGC and need good pictures.
Contact the Photo Editor (pdgaphotos@gmail.com) for submitting your pictures.

7 on hole 1? Thats gotta be a first.

Early SSA coming in at 77. That will likely come down a little but it's currently at least 10 over last year.

7 on hole 1? Thats gotta be a first.

looks like someone missed their first 3 holes

Heard that Zac Cobus took those scores because he had his discs in the car that needed to be retrieved from the lake...

Wow, tough day for the Wisconsin guys. Surprised Zac didn't wade in and get the discs so he could make his start.

May have to start referring to those two as our 'U-Boat Commanders' once they get back.

Or maybe borrow a couple for 3 holes?

Chris' facebook page might be the funniest thing I've seen in a long time w/ all the pics and comments. Perhaps the best is the with the spotter holding the red OB flag next to the car.....

He seems to be having a very good attitude about it and knowing Chris, I would expect nothing less.

Am I missing something? I can't seem to find the final score for Zac Cobus on the leaderboard. Hopefully he is taking things as well as Chris.

What happened to Anthon?

It shows a 999 for Cobus, i am guessing he did not finish.

What happened to Anthon?

Derek Billings is not listed anymore either. Coincidence?

Zac was DQed, when the car was pulled from the water, something came out that the police didn't like seeing.

Also, convenient that Feldburg was to tee in the morning and he Ended up teeing at 1pm today. Didn't know you can trade tee times? Funny how all the Innova sponsored players always get favorable tee times. And Feldburg, when it's 40 degrees in the morning, you didn't get "screwed" by having your tee time changed to the afternoon because of wind. Worry about not ripping your fingernail off. :)

I will not be able to watch the actual "live" feed of the USDGC, but did want to watch the archived broadcast in the evening when I have available time. I have "clicked" my way to nowhere...DGPlanetTV - USDGC site - the link on the PDGA site....I am missing something here, I do not have the ability to find the archived video of today's action or even the footage of the Presidents Cup that was mentioned as being available also....

So, anyone who can lead me in the right direction or know of the availability of viewing archived USDGC footage?

A link to a site?
Is the "live" broadcast not available in an archived form later?
If available later, when and where?

Thanks for any help - Brandon

thanks for all you do harold and jonathan on disc golf's biggest stage!

cool, val and nate are on the same card tomorrow.

what happened to greenwell?

Unfortunately Chris's SUV was not the only thing found in the lake. http://www.heraldonline.com/2010/10/06/2510222/suv-rolls-into-winthrop-lake.html#storylink=omni_popular

what a PR disaster...

where's the fantasy update

And you wonder why Innova wants to go to every other year.....

And you wonder why Innova wants to go to every other year.....

I truly hope that Winthrop will continue to host this event and any future planned Am events. This one lapse of judgement may put into jeopardy the hundreds of thousands of hours logged by the countless staff and volunteers over the past 12 years to make this the most prestigious event we have.

Maybe this is the perfect oppurtunity for the PDGA and the USDGC to serve notice and make an example of this player. Suspension from the PDGA and or banishishment from the USDGC may communicate to everyone that this sort of activity will no longer be tolerated. So much talk about the growing the sport, and how we need to cater to this or that group and whether this event going biannual or not will affect the sport pales in comparrison to the damage this incident may cause. We are not ready for the big time until we are able to clean up our image.

The headline in today's Rock Hill local paper reads "SUV rolls into lake, drugs found", not "190 of the best Disc Golfers in the world converge on Rock Hill to claim the coveted title of US Champion".

I talked to Chris Heeren yesterday and he said it was NOT his and it was his passenger's Zac Cobus. He said Zac was DQ'ed for his.

Chris is NOT the guilty party.

We are not ready for the big time until we are able to clean up our image.


AMEN

I don't get why people continue to do things like this and then turn around and complain how small our sport is.

What kind of hole is number Five?
6 birdies
59 pars
49 bogies
22 double bogies
20 triple bogies
11 quadruple
8 quintuple
8 worse

I'd like to see that hole.

In years past there was a bounty for an ace on hole three (it had to go in clean and might have only been for one of the four rounds). There was a sponsor company filming each throw. I think the prize was $10,000, does anyone know if it is going on this year? If so, did Jose Madrid's ace this morning take the bounty?

I don't believe the bounty is in effect this year.

Was the DQ initiated by the USDGC TD or by the PDGA governing body?

What kind of hole is number Five?
6 birdies
59 pars
49 bogies
22 double bogies
20 triple bogies
11 quadruple
8 quintuple
8 worse

I'd like to see that hole.


Long dog left left with OB Left and short the entire way.

Your drive forces to the right immediately. If you throw straight off the tee pad you'll likely be wet. So a flick, thumber or turnover for a RHBH. Second shot is a long straight shot that you want to use to try to set you up to bomb across the water on your third shot and cut the corner. So basically throw 3 great shots and maybe have a putt at a birdie. Seems like most go in the water at one point.

Zac was DQed, when the car was pulled from the water, something came out that the police didn't like seeing.


so now the PDGA has control of what you can do even when your NOT playing?? if the police did not arrest him then why does the PDGA have a say it any of it if it was not after the 2 minutes or during play??? agree its a black eye on the sport but how much control over how we live our lives up to the PDGA? i mena if thats the case they can DQ over half the players there DOH

so now the PDGA has control of what you can do even when your NOT playing?? if the police did not arrest him then why does the PDGA have a say it any of it if it was not after the 2 minutes or during play??? agree its a black eye on the sport but how much control over how we live our lives up to the PDGA? i mena if thats the case they can DQ over half the players there DOH

Innova has a reputation and it's integrity to maintain with Winthrop, so since they are sponsoring the event, I can see why they would DQ him if this is how it went down. Since the PDGA indefinitely suspended Jeff for his situation, I would expect that a similar consequence is coming if they are going to be consistent, especially since this happened on the course during a sanctioned round, and even more so because it is the US Championship. We'll see though. The fact that half the competitors could be DQ'd is speculative, although I would love to see the results of mandatory drug tests after today's round. Will never happen though, as the only pre-requisite to be a disc golf pro is payment of $100 to the PDGA. It is what it is.

Anyone have an idea when they DGU fantasy standings will be updated? I know what their site says, but I'm curious if anyone has the inside scoop as to why it hasn't happened yet.

Thanks!

We are not ready for the big time until we are able to clean up our image.



...because no one in a "big time" sport ever gets into trouble do they?????

I can't think of one big sport that hasn't had at least 1 person in trouble for something!

Was there an update on Josh Anthon and Derek Billings?

Maybe next time he sinks a contraband-loaded vehicle into a lake, before the cops arrive Zachary Cobus will pay heed to the anagram hidden in his name: "SCUBA, crazy ho!"

Long dog left left with OB Left and short the entire way.

Your drive forces to the right immediately. If you throw straight off the tee pad you'll likely be wet. So a flick, thumber or turnover for a RHBH. Second shot is a long straight shot that you want to use to try to set you up to bomb across the water on your third shot and cut the corner. So basically throw 3 great shots and maybe have a putt at a birdie. Seems like most go in the water at one point.

According to the caddie book OB on the right all the way as well.

so now the PDGA has control of what you can do even when your NOT playing?? if the police did not arrest him then why does the PDGA have a say it any of it if it was not after the 2 minutes or during play??? agree its a black eye on the sport but how much control over how we live our lives up to the PDGA? i mena if thats the case they can DQ over half the players there DOH

Play had started when the incident happened. Although they run tee times instead of a shotgun start, the 2 minute horn had gone off. And he was charged by local authorities with simple possession.

Was there an update on Josh Anthon and Derek Billings?

Josh posted on facebook about being upset about not coming. But he didn't allude to why.

...because no one in a "big time" sport ever gets into trouble do they?????

I can't think of one big sport that hasn't had at least 1 person in trouble for something!

To be quite honest I don't give a crap about every other sport and what it's top athletes do. One of the reasons I quit following basketball, baseball, and now almost pro football was due to the actions of the overgrown adolecents that play those games. And in every one of those sports when some idiot gets in trouble, they are dealt with and the sport has to go on the offensive to clean up thier image. Mandatory drug testing comes to mind as does testing for steroids and HGH's.

I do care about Disc Golf. I also care about the USDGC. Enough so that I've spent countless years volunteering, TDing and promoting the sport whenever I can. In all walks of life you will have those that are unable to grow up and start acting like productive members of society. At some point someone needs to step in and say that these actions will no longer be tolerated. We're small enough that this little bit of negative publicity sets us back quite a few steps. If you're not bothered by that, then you are part of the problem rather than the solution.

Josh posted on facebook about being upset about not coming. But he didn't allude to why.


http://www.usdgc.com/10/07/injury-prevents-anthon-from-attending

To be quite honest I don't give a crap about every other sport and what it's top athletes do. One of the reasons I quit following basketball, baseball, and now almost pro football was due to the actions of the overgrown adolecents that play those games. And in every one of those sports when some idiot gets in trouble, they are dealt with and the sport has to go on the offensive to clean up thier image. Mandatory drug testing comes to mind as does testing for steroids and HGH's.

I do care about Disc Golf. I also care about the USDGC. Enough so that I've spent countless years volunteering, TDing and promoting the sport whenever I can. In all walks of life you will have those that are unable to grow up and start acting like productive members of society. At some point someone needs to step in and say that these actions will no longer be tolerated. We're small enough that this little bit of negative publicity sets us back quite a few steps. If you're not bothered by that, then you are part of the problem rather than the solution.

These points you brought up with this post, and the one I quoted you on earlier are 2 different conversations, in my opinion at least. Neither of which need to take up space on this thread.

All I was saying was becoming a "big sport" does not require a clean image. Proof is in snowboarding being an Olympic sport, or the advertising dollars spent by redbull or mountain dew at the X-games.

What it does take is people that want to watch disc golf, and those number just aren't there no matter how bad we want them to be...they just aren't! Take the live coverage of this tourney, right now it shows that around 1400 people are watching it. (although I am one that does want to watch)

All I was saying was becoming a "big sport" does not require a clean image. Proof is in snowboarding being an Olympic sport, or the advertising dollars spent by redbull or mountain dew at the X-games.



Major difference is their athletes drug test before and after competitions.

Um they only drug test snowboarders if they are going to the Olympics. But who really cares about that, this still is a blackeye for disc golf. Someone mentioned that this happens in other sports. Please give me an example where a pro athletes stash has fallen out on the course, court, field or track. The only thing i can think of might be Daly being a little drunk and he to was suspended for that.

Is it too much to ask on the leaderboard site for "places" to be listed? That is kind of basic info to list there. Why must I count the spots to see what place a friend is in? This is 2010 and with today's technology I would hope it could be done. I mean PGA.com does it without issue. Not to mention it looks goofy without it.

So nobody wants to talk about favoritism on tee times? Funny how one disc manufacturer's players always get to tee late in the day. Even some getting to switch tee times?

This thread might be the greatest ever. I'm not sure if it makes me want or not want to be pdga member?

Nevermind. How do I throw my mrv takes the cake.

Play had started when the incident happened. Although they run tee times instead of a shotgun start, the 2 minute horn had gone off. And he was charged by local authorities with simple possession.

The word is that it was only after the University found out about the incident and that they demanded he be disqualified. To my understanding it was not the PDGA, or USDGC that made the decision. He got his discs and played, at least for a while and maybe the whole round before removal.

I do hate it for everyone who will be affected by the incident. Staff, Promoters, PDGA and countless players who will be found guilty by association.

On another note it was a beautiful afternoon at Winthrop, with some amazing golf played. Will Schusterick threw OB past the target on his second shot on the par 5 - 901 foot hole 12. So it was stroke and distance. He proceeded to throw his next shot in the DisCatcher!!! Maybe nearly 400 feet. A birdie 4!!!! The crowd went wild!!!

It is also possible the police decided to speak to him about what was found and weren't willing to wait until after his round. You miss a hole while the police have a chat and you are out.

Anyone have an idea when they DGU fantasy standings will be updated? I know what their site says, but I'm curious if anyone has the inside scoop as to why it hasn't happened yet.

Thanks!

you were winning when I got off the course.

I was in 5th or 6th :)

so now the PDGA has control of what you can do even when your NOT playing?? if the police did not arrest him then why does the PDGA have a say it any of it if it was not after the 2 minutes or during play??? From 2 minute warning to turning in the card applies only to the mandatory disqualification for consumption of alcohol. Disqualification for the consumption of illegal drugs is any time during the tournament, which does not seem to apply here, although one might wonder... There is no time frame specified for illegal activities. It is in the competition manual, not the rulebook.

this still is a blackeye for disc golf.
Which is kind of like a black eye for a hermit living in a cave. Sure its ugly, but who is actually going to notice?

Which is kind of like a black eye for a hermit living in a cave. Sure its ugly, but who is actually going to notice?

Everyone Jonathan and Harold have to work with around Winthrop.

I wonder if the rule also includes the "Tournament Hotel"?

Everyone Jonathan and Harold have to work with around Winthrop.

thankfully all those students at Winthrop never use illegal substances...

what a PR disaster...

I truly hope that Winthrop will continue to host this event and any future planned Am events. This one lapse of judgement may put into jeopardy the hundreds of thousands of hours logged by the countless staff and volunteers over the past 12 years to make this the most prestigious event we have.

Maybe this is the perfect oppurtunity for the PDGA and the USDGC to serve notice and make an example of this player. Suspension from the PDGA and or banishishment from the USDGC may communicate to everyone that this sort of activity will no longer be tolerated. So much talk about the growing the sport, and how we need to cater to this or that group and whether this event going biannual or not will affect the sport pales in comparrison to the damage this incident may cause. We are not ready for the big time until we are able to clean up our image.

The headline in today's Rock Hill local paper reads "SUV rolls into lake, drugs found", not "190 of the best Disc Golfers in the world converge on Rock Hill to claim the coveted title of US Champion".


in reality we should be happy this is only the first time this has happened, and that it was some tiny amount. How many big tournaments have we had without a incident like this? I find it incredible to be honest, especially since many players do not show the discretion about it that more experienced players do.

theres a big difference to the cops writing a ticket to someone for possession, and for hauling a player off in cuffs for attempting to distribute. would everyone be happier if it never happened- of course. Is it the end of the USDGC- no


making stricter rules in the future is fine, but making an example out of Zac would be very wrong

in reality we should be happy this is only the first time this has happened, and that it was some tiny amount. How many big tournaments have we had without a incident like this? I find it incredible to be honest, especially since many players do not show the discretion about it that more experienced players do.

theres a big difference to the cops writing a ticket to someone for possession, and for hauling a player off in cuffs for attempting to distribute. would everyone be happier if it never happened- of course. Is it the end of the USDGC- no


making stricter rules in the future is fine, but making an example out of Zac would be very wrong

If he's not made an example of then it makes the PDGA look weak and inefficient in enforcing its own rules. This will hurt potential sponsors if action isnt done because if he werent made an example of then what else would the PDGA turn a blind eye to? Where is the line drawn from appearing to be legitimate to actually being legitimate?

Only Nikko can take a 10 and still be leading the tournament! He got a 10 on 12 after nearly getting a likely 3. His drive was excellent setting him up for an almost routine 3 his approach looked pretty good it got near the basket then got up and rolled ob, 2
more ob throws and he was set up for the 10 this is right after Will thru in from 400 for his improbable 4. Great action, can't wait to see what today brings.

Which is kind of like a black eye for a hermit living in a cave. Sure its ugly, but who is actually going to notice?

People at my work noticed and commented on it to me yesterday. It was on the local news here in Hickory, NC which is about an hour and fifteen away. Now I'm a little leary to ask them for sponsorship money for our Charity events.

Is it too much to ask on the leaderboard site for "places" to be listed? That is kind of basic info to list there. Why must I count the spots to see what place a friend is in? This is 2010 and with today's technology I would hope it could be done. I mean PGA.com does it without issue. Not to mention it looks goofy without it.


Also - how about putting a header that's frozen on top so as you scroll down you can see the hole numbers above each player's round - simple stuff -

Thanks,

Chuck

Just copy and past into excel then do what you want.

So nobody wants to talk about favoritism on tee times? Funny how one disc manufacturer's players always get to tee late in the day. Even some getting to switch tee times?


must have hit a soar spot!!! ;)

I say this every year and get attacked for it, and yet I will say it again! Many of the scores put up by players in this event severly diminish the image that is(should) be surrounding this(elite) tournament. I know it is done out of respect, but how long can this continue to go on, especially now that the event is moving to an every other year schedule. Seriously....having scores that double the leaders at the usdgc, double the leaders.

I don't feel that it dimishes the image anymore than having Arnold Palmer, Jack Nichaus or Gary Player teeing it up at the Masters. In fact, it may enhance the image.

Of course, that's my opinion of it. Others may feel differently and no attack intended.

Yes. a handful. Not a collective mini event within the tournament.

I say this every year and get attacked for it, and yet I will say it again! Many of the scores put up by players in this event severly diminish the image that is(should) be surrounding this(elite) tournament. I know it is done out of respect, but how long can this continue to go on, especially now that the event is moving to an every other year schedule. Seriously....having scores that double the leaders at the usdgc, double the leaders.

I second this emotion.

Oh, forgot abou this part. As for the 'how long can this continue to go on', well that depends on how long those that run the tournament choose it to. It's totally their call.

I say this every year and get attacked for it, and yet I will say it again! Many of the scores put up by players in this event severly diminish the image that is(should) be surrounding this(elite) tournament. I know it is done out of respect, but how long can this continue to go on, especially now that the event is moving to an every other year schedule. Seriously....having scores that double the leaders at the usdgc, double the leaders.
Of course, many in the bottom half are those who have mostly volunteered to run qualifier events for the top half to qualify or have gotten in as an event sponsor representative. Until the event operates on a profitable financial model which may be many years out, I don't think you'll get what you seek.

What kind of hole is number Five?
6 birdies
59 pars
49 bogies
22 double bogies
20 triple bogies
11 quadruple
8 quintuple
8 worse

I'd like to see that hole.

That's the most interesting hole I've ever studied. And, with a calculated Scoring Spread of 5.89, the highest I've come across. Below is what my Throw Model thinks of it, this will give you come idea of how often discs go OB. About 30-40% of the throws.

That's the most interesting hole I've ever studied. And, with a calculated Scoring Spread of 5.89, the highest I've come across. Below is what my Throw Model thinks of it, this will give you come idea of how often discs go OB. About 30-40% of the throws.I think the hole reflects the average disc golfer's approach to risk reward shots. Most disc golfers go for it on every throw if the favorable outcome is possible even if it is not probable. I've seen this at the tournament where we used to set up yellow rope.

I quite love that penchant of disc golfers; it allows me to pay for my travel & entry fees for the year with the proceeds from Saturday night poker games at events!

I am enjoying the live coverage of the USDGC. I like that the PGA lent equipment for the broadcast of the PDGA Championships. I am a long time ball golfer and object disc golfer and have being playing basket disc golf for 1 year.

I like the new stroke and distance rule. I agree with the members of my club (Discap) that all the OB at the championships is arbitrary. Sand traps being OB is arbitrary, too. Luck becomes a factor, instead of skill.

If these top level pros are too good for the course it's time for a harder basket for them. 1) Eliminate the chains., or have less chains. From my extensive object golf experience, I know I could land in a basket without the chains. It would be a lot harder. 2) Make the basket smaller. In ball golf the hole is 2.5 times bigger than the ball. In disc golf the basket is about 4 times bigger.

What happened to Mike Henry? 74-92-128: quite a collapse. Is he hurt?

People at my work noticed and commented on it to me yesterday. It was on the local news here in Hickory, NC which is about an hour and fifteen away. Now I'm a little leary to ask them for sponsorship money for our Charity events.


only in the south would a minor possession charge be news

I don't feel that it dimishes the image anymore than having Arnold Palmer, Jack Nichaus or Gary Player teeing it up at the Masters. In fact, it may enhance the image.

Of course, that's my opinion of it. Others may feel differently and no attack intended.


The only thing I see with this example is that players like Arnold Jack and Gary were legends in the game.

I would compare this to Climo, Schultz in about 15 - 20 years who are no longer on top of their games due to obvious reasons but still competing in these type events.

If you want to look currently, you could say guys like Harold Duval or Sam Ferrans who at one point were the best players on the planet but obviously are not on that level any longer.

That being said, I have always said the qualification process for this tournament needs to be edited. I think anyone earning a PDGA tour card holders, former US and World champions, Supertour / NT winners should automatically qualify and then have qualifying events around the country similar to what we have now.

If you want to throw in some honorary people b/c of volunteering or what not, sure.

The worst thing done, other that allowing people to Monday qualify AFTER qualifying, is give state rep spots, IMHO.

What happened to Mike Henry? 74-92-128: quite a collapse. Is he hurt?

Probably not, knowing him. Most likely tried to ace every hole.

Making sure the round drops out of his rating?

If so, massive overkill. That stinker of a round would drop out of my rating.

If so, massive overkill. That stinker of a round would drop out of my rating.
Making sure it drops out AND having a blast throwing for aces and fairway aces even on rethrows? :)

only in the south would a minor possession charge be news
Pretty sure the news-worthy part of the story is the car in the lake, not the drugs. The possession charge is merely a footnote, not in the least bit newsworthy on its own, even in the south.

only in the south would a minor possession charge be news

Bingo.

Always thought it interesting that our "spotlight" event is in Rock Hill, SC of all places.
That coming from a guy that was born in Macon, GA and grew up in Atlanta, and has lived all over the SE.

Cutoff for Saturday? 120...110....75...

Having featured pairings for the first
round will only help our sport.
Give the people what they want.

Turning out to be a great tournament.
Stroke plus distance is awesome!

I read the "side action" info on usdgc.com, but am still not Clear on how the finals works. How many throws what order, etc. Anyone know more?

The worst thing done, other that allowing people to Monday qualify AFTER qualifying, is give state rep spots, IMHO.

I think the idea of the state rep spot is good, but there ought to be rules about how it is given out. This year in Colorado, our state coordinator held a one day tournament for everyone who hadn't qualified yet to get the state spot. All the entry fees from everyone went towards the winner to help with travel expenses and entry fee. I thought it was a good way to give it out.

I think Monday qualifying is okay but letting people just start over if they want for half price is a little weird.

Any word on discs lost in the pond over the past week? I got a pink star-stamped destroyer H2O'd on hole #5 last Saturday. (If it hadn't gone in, I woulda shot a 47;) Anybody down there who knows me, please pick up and/or set it aside. High-fives rewarded!! Thanks!
Matthew Halton Smith (M$H)

Having featured pairings for the first
round will only help our sport.
Give the people what they want.

Turning out to be a great tournament.
Stroke plus distance is awesome!

I agree with the featured 1st round pairings Sammy, but I'm not a fan of stroke plus distance rule, or the buncr rule for that matter.....having a professional rethrow the same shot he already failed at, is cruel and unusual punishment....IMO

Drop Zones, or 1 stroke penalty and play it where it went out, would be more professional IMO. It would let the players be more aggressive, and provide more action.

I think the coverage this year has been great, but all I have been seeing is a bunch of layup, safe shots.....because of the new format I guess.

I do think the first round tee times need to be random (the whole field), to provide everybody a fair shake....I understand we want to feature our top players and reward them, but at least let all players participating know up front that 12:00-2:00pm tee time slots are rewarded to the top 20 rated players in the world or something....

USDGC still sets the bar at runing elite disc golf events, and I appreciate their creativity and the courage to push the envelope. Thanks Innova!! See you in 2 years!!

Go win it Will Shoestring!!

The disc retrieved from the pond find their
way into the basket on the clubhouse deck.
Right before Sammy P's ice cream stand.

What a place and what a tournament. Stroke
plus D (S/D) is pretty interesting. I think on
some holes it should be used and on some
standard OB should be played.

Justin Moore looks to be representing Bowling Green
very well. Qualifiers always do well from what the local
folklore says.

Going to be a battle today. Thanks Innova for giving
us such a wonderful disc golf event. Plan on following
all day today. Take care everyone.

Live coverage starts at 12:15 today with the lead group scheduled to tee at 12:30.
http://www.livestream.com/discgolfplanet

The disc retrieved from the pond find their
way into the basket on the clubhouse deck.
Right before Sammy P's ice cream stand.
. If it is anything like last year most Discraft discs won't be returned.

If it is anything like last year most Discraft discs won't be returned.
Funny, I was looking through the L&F basket this morning and it was nothing but Discraft discs.

Funny, I was looking through the L&F basket this morning and it was nothing but Discraft discs.

Well then it isn't like last year! I lost probably 5 discs within 10ft of the shore and never saw any of them again and the basket last year had maybe 1 discraft disc to every 15 Innova discs.

Nice work Will, USDGC champ, and Nikko 2nd, amazing how this game works. 4 strokes 1 hole, then reverse 4 strokes later. Both of you boys can play some awesome golf.

Peace

If it is anything like last year most Discraft discs won't be returned.

Must have been a conspiracy. Was Oliver Stone contacted?

does anyone have any idea where the tee times are are posted online for spectator day? i have been looking for an hour and can't find anything. any info would be greatly appreciated.

I have been playing for quite a number of years now. This is the most intense tournament that I have ever played. Shot by shot, the pucker factor was pegging out. I had some misgivings about stroke and distance prior to the tournament. Now , I think it was a masterful idea that produced an incredible experience. KUDOS to those incredible athletes who adapted and overcame.

Will, WOW, you are a great kid and a great champion!!!!!

Well then it isn't like last year! I lost probably 5 discs within 10ft of the shore and never saw any of them again [..]

I saw one guy pulling discs out, checking the names on the bottom then throwing some up on the shore and others further out into the lake :)

180 players. 9 under Par.!

180 players. 9 under Par.!

looks like the numbers are inaccurate by 14 strokes.. par 68 right? will should have been -28, not -14. so looks like 35 players were even or better.

congratulations to all who cashed!

Great tnmt. Congrats to Will, great kid. I got to watch him through 2 rds, cool composure, and just a great person. What a Pro should be.

As for our black eye, gonna take some damage control for us all. We all will have to answer when it comes to running a tnmt and looking for donations, or sponsors. Or selling the idea in our parks about our Image and contribution to society. A Pro should know, once your trip has started, your tnmt has started. You now represent all of us. If you gotta have pot at this event, your missing the point.

With the new ruling on OB, we could remove the rope on holes 11 & 12, and let the pro's air it out. This would be exciting for all the watchers.

Great tnmt, not sure I like the every other year part, but sure it is for a good reason. Will the Am World champion for both 2011 & 2012 get an invite, and when will qualifying for the next USDGC begin?

I think the hole reflects the average disc golfer's approach to risk reward shots. Most disc golfers go for it on every throw if the favorable outcome is possible even if it is not probable. I've seen this at the tournament where we used to set up yellow rope.

This is a result of average course design being limited by public space. Private courses that I'm familiar with usually make me play differently.

Great times at the USDGC, Slide show! (http://www.sharkysshots.com/displayimage.php?album=198&pid=9515&slideshow=5000)

Album link. (http://www.sharkysshots.com/thumbnails.php?album=198) Enjoy!

as a 930-rated Grandmasters player who played very little golf in 2010 and only got in to the USDGC because i was the TD of an NT qualifier, i wanted to air my views.

BY far, this event is THE most amazing event i have played in over 36 years of playing this sport. The degree to which every single player is treated like a true pro, whether you are Will, Nikko, or Dan-who-only-beat-about-10-competitors is so totally appreciated. The contributions of all the volunteers, e.g. the spotters, is unparalleled. The graciousness and humility displayed by Harold Duvall is incredible. The manicured nature of the course is just ill.

As for the course......

I LOVED the course. I loved that a 930-rated noodle-armed dude could have shot a score in the 60's if his mechanics were a bit more sound. Anyone that thinks that the top players with their long drives were somehow penalized because of the O/B only need to look at the 3rd place finish of Steve Brinster to see that this wasn't the case. Where I was throwing a fairway driver Steve could throw a putter.

My observation was that a combination of Buncr's, drop zones, and O/B with stroke and distance penalty might be a better way to go. There were a number of holes where 2 shots thrown almost identically produced entirely different results. There were a number of holes where even the safe play was unreasonably penalized, in my opinion. For example, the "safe" tee shots on Hole #10 and Hole #13 lent themselves to flukiness. Skipping and sliding "safe" drives meant a re-tee, sometimes over and over. On those two particular tees I think a drop zone would have been more appropriate. However, I can't think of one single hole where the O/B lines were too unfair. Nor can i think of one single instance where flukiness came into play on any fairway or approach shots. Nor were there holes where the O/B and stroke and distance penalty was too punitive as far as fairway and approach shots were concerned.

I've been there in terms of designing a course where players of all abilities are fairly challenged. That is a very very difficult design challenge. I think Harold and whoever else participated in the design did a magnificent job.

My only regret is that I don't live closer to Winthrop so I can get myself another shot at slaying this beast. It's the kind of course where you feel like if you could just put everything together for 1 round you can walk away with the hottest round of your life.

Does anyone know when the Milo II's are going to be released?

I love the OB rule where you lose distance and a stroke (oops, sorry Chuck, I mean "throw"). No more Berkeley pars!

Does anyone know when the Milo II's are going to be released?

November.

I signed up for 10.5's and 11's fit perfect.

i've never worn bigger than a size 11 for any shoe. i needed a 12 for these badboys.
i played in them one round and liked the feel. i had an 8:08 tee time when the grass was still wet and my feet stayed completely dry.