Quick question...anyone know where I can find a list of past or present tournaments that qualify as "qualifying" tournaments for this event. I'm just setting my calender for 2010 and got to thinking about this today. Also does anyone know where I can find the list of requirements for qualifying for this event. THANKS!

There are none other than be a current Amateur PDGA member during 2010. Players earn points in every PDGA event during 2009. The top 20-25% in each Am Division in each state will get an invite to Am Worlds. They'll have 60 days to enter before it will be open to every am, usually around late May. It has never sold out before then and there's lots of capacity at next year's Worlds in Mid-Ohio.

If you meant the 2010 Am Nationals in Michigan and not Worlds, that does have qualifyfing events. Here's their website with details: http://www.amnationals.com/

Thanks, yeah I meant Worlds. So even if I'm not in the top 20-25% for my division I can still pay the entry fee and come? I never knew that. Thanks!

...being a PDGA Pro member, there's no chance for me to attend the Am World's I guess?

I have received a few bucks as prize money during the past two years, but is it the PDGA membership type or previous prize money earned that disqualifies me from entering? If not, are there any other prerequisities for foreign players?

Thx,

/Mike, Sweden
PDGA #34418

You have the option to petition the PDGA to revert back to am status even if you have earned cash as a pro. If that request is granted, then you can enter Am Worlds.

Is there still no info available regarding 2010 Am Worlds? A website? Some of us need to plan well in advance for an event of this magnitude. Any info sure would help!

Hi Everyone!

Just wanted to let everyone know that registrations are also now open for registrations for the 2010 Amateur Doubles World Championships to be held in Austin (Wimberley) Texas at Circle R Disc Golf Ranch. Please visit www.circularproductions.com if you are interested in competing for the Doubles Title.

There is also a new Thread now posted under 2010 Amateur World Doubles Championships:

http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=33213&highlight=2010+amateur+world

Thanks.

Dee Houck

still nothing on the web site, this is mid feb??? just sayin.

When are the invitations going out for the 2010 Am Worlds?

Invitees names posted next week. Mailed invites planned to go out March 1. (Pro Worlds March 15).

Invitees names posted next week. Mailed invites planned to go out March 1. (Pro Worlds March 15).

Thanks for the timely update as usual Chuck

Do I need to get my family's memberships renewed before then for them to get their invitations?

Invites aren't based on current membership. However, you would need to renew before registering.

Thanks. I just renewed the whole family. I'm hoping at least three of us can play. Kelsey has a summer job up north and does not know whether she will be able to play. If they don't need her for the whole summer, she can schedule a break whenever she wants. She's doing genetic and migratory research on wild mice populations, so her test subjects can take care of themselves when she is not available to trap, tag and tap them. For Diana and Kira, Am Worlds conveniently fell on Boys Camp week, so they will be available. If Kelsey can play, she'll play in the Advanced Men's division. Kira, Diana and I, on the other hand, will bag as much as the rules allow. Is there gender testing? ;D

Once you see the course schedule, maybe that will determine your division. Six courses will be used including the new one at Alum Creek and a revamped Upper Sandusky. Every division plays five of the six courses; in some cases, only four courses but two sets of tees on one of them. Draft schedule will be posted by March 1.

I wish Am World's wasn't going to be over 4th of July weekend.

I guess it kind of makes sense because the planners figured that everyone would have some time off around the holiday, and more likely to be able to make the trip.

I would also think that many people usually have family traditions that would keep them from attending at the same time. I had been looking forward to spend this holiday with my friends, traveling to their hometown and experiencing their celebration. But I can't do either of those things :(

Probably not a lot of muscle car buffs out there, but Pontiac Nationals is the same weekend too, and I have wanted to enter my '69 Judge into event. Being only 35 miles from home, this is where I will be.

After last years worlds, I thought it would be great to attend World's every year. (I have a pretty flexible schedule) Too bad this is the only date over the summer for the rest of my life that I know I will have "plans"

That week wasn't the first choice because of July 4th weekend but it turned out to be the only real option primarily based on motel availability. That was the critical factor for scheduling since there aren't that many nearby like in a big city venue. There are other central Ohio big events the next few weeks in July that fill the Marion motels so this turned out to be the best week for availability.

The website has had current information since Feb 1st. Please visit. http://circularproductions.com/amateur_world_doubles_09.html. We still have spots left and have extended registration. You can call 512-970-9001 or email us at cp@moment.net and we can email you an application. We can register you by phone M-F between 9am-4pm.

Thanks.
Dee

Alright already, it's time to start talking about this event already. And NOT about Doubles Championships or Am Nats or any other event!(no disrespect intended) Is anybody going? Has anybody played these courses? Has anybody even been to Mid Ohio? Is there a such thing as Mid anywhere in any other state? I know we're excited. My little guy will be playing his first year in the Under 13 division. And my big guy is still undecided. But you can count on the Duran Clan being there for our fourth World Championships. Will Ohio be ready for us? I'm betting yes! See you all in a few short months!....Manny

yea im goin to worlds and yea there is a website
go to the pdga tourney list and click on
the listing for am worlds and it has a website link
i hope this helps and in this months edition
of pdgas disc golf magazine it has a article about
am worlds and tells about the courses we
will b playn

They were showing some of the trophies at Bowling Green this weekend. They have very cool trophies for this. Kiralyn found the trophies to be motivational. Mark Ellis, world reknown collector of disc golf art, will wish he'd stayed amateur, or maybe he'll just commission one. Very cool trophies. Maybe someone will post a pic.

From: OSU-Marion gearing up to host Disc Golf World Championships (http://www.bucyrustelegraphforum.com/article/20100414/NEWS01/4140306/1002/OSU-Marion-gearing-up-to-host-Disc-Golf-World-Championships):


OSU-Marion gearing up to host Disc Golf World Championships

BY JAMES STEVEN � CentralOhio.com � April 14, 2010

MARION -- Plans to put Marion in the international spotlight continue and The Ohio State University-Marion is happy to be a part of it -- a really big part.

The local campus will be the center of operations for the 2010 Professional Disc <NOBR id=itxt_nobr_1_0 style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 100%; COLOR: darkgreen; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Golfhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif</NOBR> (http://www.bucyrustelegraphforum.com/article/20100414/NEWS01/4140306/1002/OSU-Marion-gearing-up-to-host-Disc-Golf-World-Championships#) Association Amateur Disc Golf World Champion-ships, June 27 to July 3.

Campus officials feel partnering with this event, which will attract as many as 700 disc golfers of all ages from the United States and several other countries to central Ohio, is a perfect fit.

"We are certainly excited about showing off the campus," said Wayne Rowe, manager of communications for OSU-Marion. "The campus is a gem in the community. It's an oasis of green space on Ohio 95. It's easily accessible. It has everything."

Plans are to use the gymnasium for vendor booths to present a convention atmosphere. With the centralized location, green space and meeting venues available, OSU-Marion can accommodate the hundreds of competitors and fans expected to attend.

"They are a huge part of the event with the campus being used for our field events, players meetings and the showcase final nine on Saturday, July 3," said Ken Rollins, tournament director and president of Mid Ohio Organized Disc Golf, the hosting club.

Rollins and his tournament assistants, including Rob Ledwedge from the Tiffin area, are reaching out to community groups, organizations and businesses to get them involved. They recently made a presentation to the Marion Rotary Club, explaining the event and demonstrating what disc golf is all about.

"I think their goal is the more they can partner on this event, the better this event is going to be. They want the entire community to partner with this. It's a big deal," said Rowe.

Disc golf courses in Marion, Bucyrus and Delaware, and Wyandot and Seneca counties, will be used, with OSU-Marion the headquarters.
PDGA World Champion-ship events bring a considerable following, according to David Gentry, tour manager with the Georgia-based organization, and provide a strong impact to local economies, because players usually travel with their families and friends.

Disc golf, which was started in the mid-1970s, is a sport played much like ball golf. Typically, players throw flying discs into 18 above-ground targets, instead of using clubs to hit a ball into a cup in the ground.
An estimated 2 to 4 million people play disc golf annually. The PDGA sanctioned over 1,000 events in 2009, where professional disc golfers shared a total of $2,000,000 in <NOBR id=itxt_nobr_11_0 style="FONT-WEIGHT: normal; FONT-SIZE: 100%; COLOR: darkgreen; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">pursehttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif</NOBR> (http://www.bucyrustelegraphforum.com/article/20100414/NEWS01/4140306/1002/OSU-Marion-gearing-up-to-host-Disc-Golf-World-Championships#) money.

While the professionals play for a pay day, the amateurs play for prizes ... pretty good prizes ... and bragging rights.

Only amateur members of the PDGA will be eligible for the Marion event. The world championships for professional disc golfers is a different time and venue.

The majority of the field will be determined by point standings earned from sanc-tioned events held through the qualifying period. When those spots are determined, the field will be completed from member's open applications. Details about divisions and qualifying are online at www.pdga.com (http://www.pdga.com/).

Diane Watson, with the Marion Area Convention and Visitors Bureau, is joining with other bureaus to make sure visitors have everything they need to know about area restaurants, hotels and attractions.

And they get more for shooting 960 golf than the MPO shooting 1015 while paying 1/2 the entry fee!

Sorry that is all for now

And they get more for shooting 960 golf than the MPO shooting 1015 while paying 1/2 the entry fee!

Sorry that is all for now

Seriously, dude?

A relatively benign article promoting the upcoming Amateur and Junior Disc Golf World Championships gets posted and you use the opportunity to yet again get on your soapbox and essentially pound your drum about how life is so unfair that you don't make $60,000+ a year playing disc golf? Cheese and rice, man.

#1) It's amateurs. People that work day jobs and play disc golf for the fun of it and for relatively low-worth payouts of prizes and merchandise. They don't get more - they get a bunch of discs and t-shirts. You get straight cash.

#2) I haven't met a single person in the world of disc golf who wouldn't like to see the sport grow, and wouldn't want to see the most talented players in our sport and touring pros make a living from it. But the money isn't there. The sponsorships aren't there. People within the sport are working year round to grow the sport and one day make this a reality. But it boggles my mind that people don't realize that it isn't there yet, and constantly complain about it, like the act of complaining is somehow magically going to make it an immediate reality.

#3) Matt, you're one of the top Pros in the state of Texas and probably one of the top 100 disc golfers in the world. Of course it makes sense that you should be able to make a living from your considerable skills. But since the money and sponsorship isn't there yet, are you doing anything to help the effort? Are you a member of your local club? Are you a TD? Do you help to raise sponsorship dollars for local tournaments? How much money did you bring in for the recent Texas States? Have you thought about running for local club office or even HFDS club president? Have you thought about running for PDGA state coordinator in TX? How about running for the PDGA Board of Directors, like Feldberg did? If you think you can do a better job growing the sport and/or with the way the limited money in the sport of disc golf is distributed, why not step up and try to make a difference?

#4) You're obviously unhappy with the slow pace of growth in our sport and our payout structure but do you really think constantly complaining on this internet message board is going to effect a change? Have you seen any positive results from these actions, other than to just annoy others within the sport who ARE trying to grow it? Do you think that continuing to publically bemoan the state of it all is going to do anything? Will it make the decision makers suddenly decide to allocate all the money we use on grass-roots programs to Pros? Will it magically bring in a sugar daddy sponsor who is willing to throw in a million dollars of sponsorship money our way and infuse the sport? Or would it just turn off an interested party? Does this type of negativity ever do any good? Albert Einstein famously defined insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

#5) Seriously man, I'd love for you to make a living from disc golf, but that just ain't happening right now, and all the whining in the world doesn't bring it any closer to reality.


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Seriously, dude?

A relatively benign article promoting the upcoming Amateur and Junior Disc Golf World Championships gets posted and you use the opportunity to yet again get on your soapbox and essentially pound your drum about how life is so unfair that you don't make $60,000+ a year playing disc golf? Cheese and rice, man.

#1) It's amateurs. People that work day jobs and play disc golf for the fun of it and for relatively low-worth payouts of prizes and merchandise. They don't get more - they get a bunch of discs and t-shirts. You get straight cash.

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I still consider myself an Amateur! I don't practice, make less than I did in ADV, and unfortunately feel that the sport will not progress any faster than the current pace unless a new course is taken.

No worlds for me this year.........Vibram pays $370 for 33rd while worlds pays only $230 which equals your entry (which is also $60 less than Vibram)

Anyway I'm done and will take it elsewhere, it is just sad that the sport has so little incentive for a "Pro" that they wonder why they would spend 20 hours a week practicing to make $100 more per event than I do.

Bottom line........worlds will always be a big deal because of the title that goes with it but it is just a money pit for 98% of the players and more and more MPO players are deciding to use their vacation elsewhere.

You may see it as whining but truthfully I want the premier PDGA event which is run with more PDGA influence than any other to offer a little more to the top divisions......;......this isn't 100% the PDGA's fault as the manufacturers would rather give 30k in discs than 10K in cash any day and thus 95% of the sponsorship isn't in cash form.

anyway it was fun and U will drag it elsewhere........2 years of AM worlds $800+ over entry fees...3 year of Pro worlds = $100 over the entries for shooting 1013 golf....SWWEEET Deal!

Worlds in 1987 payed $900 to 9th place while this year 11th only got $850............btw $900 then was around $1500 in today's cash!

All I can say is... if we could ever get the City of Jacksonville to allow us to install more courses, I would promise you that we could run a worlds that no one would forget.

Our lowly B tier is a perfect example... $7650 added cash to the pro's and over $1000 retail added to the AM's.

I'm sure we could get enough community support that if we were ever able to host a worlds event, we would blow it out of the water....the way a worlds event should be done!

Given the values inherent in your decision to add to the pros at a rate of 15:1 what you added to the ams, at a tournament where the ams outnumbered the pros by almost 2 to 1, I doubt that you would be able to overcome the temptation to which past Am Worlds hosts have always succumbed.

Thread drift

anyone no whats in players pack for worlds or do
they tell before we get there at all?

Anyway I'm done and will take it elsewhere,

I wondered at the unexplained church bells ringing out - then I saw this and I understand! Premature, though I'm sure it is, as by "elsewhere", I suspect he means any (and every) other thread on the board.

Alright already, it's time to start talking about this event already. And NOT about Doubles Championships or Am Nats or any other event!(no disrespect intended) Is anybody going? Has anybody played these courses? Has anybody even been to Mid Ohio? Is there a such thing as Mid anywhere in any other state? I know we're excited. My little guy will be playing his first year in the Under 13 division. And my big guy is still undecided. But you can count on the Duran Clan being there for our fourth World Championships. Will Ohio be ready for us? I'm betting yes! See you all in a few short months!....Manny

Manny, Thanks same here. wheres all the talk?

It would not be a world Championship with out The Duran Clan.
Driving this year. 4 years of 3 plane Tickets, rental car, hotel and food. looking forward to saving a load of money.


lets keep the thread going. can't wait to see you guys and of course the lovely lady members of the Duran Clan.

Check out the results from the first test event for the Am Worlds courses at Alum Creek and Delaware this past weekend. Both came in at a little over 56 SSA, likely the toughest courses for Worlds. Advanced played Alum then Delaware. All other divisions played the opposite order.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=10360#Open

Check out the results from the first test event for the Am Worlds courses at Alum Creek and Delaware this past weekend. Both came in at a little over 56 SSA, likely the toughest courses for Worlds. Advanced played Alum then Delaware. All other divisions played the opposite order.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=10360#Open

Looks good! The last few years Am Worlds had mostly courses with SSAs in the high 40s but then also a monster course like Blue Valley or Timber Ridge to balance it out, at least for the Advanced division. Sounds like this year there won't be that big daddy of a course but still several tracks which feature a few multiple shot holes and tougher par 3s and the courses will play to a higher SSA on average.

Based on the feedback I remember, I think the only thing people don't want to see is a pitch-n-putt Am Worlds with 75% of the courses with SSA between 45 and 47.

So is there ever going to be an update to the list of registered players? I've been checking off and on for nearly a month since registering my son for Juniors, but it hasn't changed since well before that.

Not sure on registration posting. Typically, it's updated infrequently in the beginning and then weekly once the initial 60-day deadline passes and the registration is open the rest of the way.

So is there ever going to be an update to the list of registered players? I've been checking off and on for nearly a month since registering my son for Juniors, but it hasn't changed since well before that.

Here is the response I received in an email on 4/9, when inquiring about the same thing:

"Thanks for the email. We update the registration list weekly and it was last done on Wednesday. The next update won't be until April 20th as I am on vacation."

So, supposedly, it will be updated today.

or not. Has not been updated. Still only 113 players listed.

or not. Has not been updated. Still only 113 players listed.The Waterford Brakels will be playing Bucyrus early tomorrow, Alum Creek around noon and perhaps the Marion course before heading home. We might try to fit in a quick tour around Upper Sandusky to see the alleged improvements.

Diana, Bruce and Kira are in. Kelsey is finally, irrevocably out. She will be catching field mice all summer, snipping the ends off their tails, giving them cute little ear piercings, and letting them go. She is doing field research relating to genetic migration.

They started pouring tee pads at Alum today and hopefully tomorrow if it doesn't rain. So you might have to work around the tee pads drying or getting prepped for pouring. Not sure how well the new routing on Upper is marked but I think the new holes are in there without cement pads yet. I'd be surprised if the planned "OB pond" affecting holes 8, 9 & 10 is marked but you can probably tell where it will be by the sunken ground area.

Manny, Thanks same here. wheres all the talk?

It would not be a world Championship with out The Duran Clan.
Driving this year. 4 years of 3 plane Tickets, rental car, hotel and food. looking forward to saving a load of money.


lets keep the thread going. can't wait to see you guys and of course the lovely lady members of the Duran Clan.

Thanks Wyatt,
We always look forward to this time of year to be able to meet back up with our friends from previous Worlds. And of course to meet all of our future friends.
So your driving it this year. Good for you! We've driven from Az. to our last 3 Worlds in Milwaukee, Michigan, and in Kansas. I highly recommend it. Especially if you have a family. You'd be surprised at how much you learn from your family by sitting in the same vehicle with them for 3 days straight. And you'll also get to see the most beautiful country in the whole world, up close. We've made great memories, and awesome pictures, by driving cross country 3 times. And we'll do it again this year!
Well, we can't wait to see the Coggins family and all of our other dear friends we only get to see this time of year. So come join us in OhiO and become part of that list of friends!

They started pouring tee pads at Alum today and hopefully tomorrow if it doesn't rain. So you might have to work around the tee pads drying or getting prepped for pouring. Not sure how well the new routing on Upper is marked but I think the new holes are in there without cement pads yet. I'd be surprised if the planned "OB pond" affecting holes 8, 9 & 10 is marked but you can probably tell where it will be by the sunken ground area.

Hopefully the courses won't be closed for this. We were talking about scribbling "Chuck Kennedy" in any wet concrete! :D No, we wouldn't do that.

Chuck, do you know yet which course[s] will be used for the mixed doubles?

We've finally figured out that I'll partner with Kira, and Kelsey will stay up north at mouse camp. I've never had a partner as good as Kira is right now, but she's never had a partner as good as me! :)

I think they are leaning toward Tiffin then Upper for Mixed.

We drove down to mid-Ohio to see the rest of the Am Worlds courses today.

We went to Bucyrus first. It starts out with nine short holes in medium thick woods. Most of them are the kind of hole where half way down the fairway you have to navigate a gap between two trees eight to ten feet apart, and if you do, you have a chance for birdie. I don't mind that hole, but the concept was overused. The other nine holes played through a fairly open meadow with scattered large trees. Bucyrus, Marian, and Tiffen are all like this, except Tiffen is more of the large scattered trees and less of the medium thick woods. If you have trees and small elevation changes where you play disc golf, you've seen everything these courses have to offer.

We played Alum Creek next. The front nine on Alum Creek was very well done. There was good hole separation so each hole was a surprise. There was a great mix of different kinds of holes. The front nine at Alum Creek is probably the best nine consecutive holes in the tournament. The back nine was very much like the front nine at Bucyrus. Lots of narrow routes through medium thick woods. One long hole with a fairway added a little variety. Alum Creek will be a pretty good course in a couple of years. For Worlds it might play like a lot of courses that are created too soon before Worlds. The nastier parts of the schule will probably still be nasty, with lots of wild roses, and the stubby parts might still be stubby.

The redesigned Sandusky is a much better course than it was before. We played long tees there since the information currently available does not say, and the long tees were a better challenge. Not all of the long tees are concrete yet. The replacement holes are much better than the holes they replaced, especially from the long tees, and they offer a lot of variety. They too may play like holes that were created too soon before Worlds. The locals playing the course said that they don't play those holes because of the mud. Some of the tees in the new section were treacherous, being covered with mud that was wet from the rain.

If the giant branch piles are still there for Worlds the TD will need to decide whether those are a playing surface, a large solid obstacle, or what.

If you want to practice something useful for Worlds, practice your staddle and step-out putts. The course designers really liked the idea of having one or more trees within ten feet of the basket. I'm fine with this concept. I know some players hate it. It is very easy to find yourself 15 feet from a basket and having to stretch one way or the other to have a chance to make a putt. So practice that and get a leg up, or out, on the competition that didn't.

The other thing you could practice are those very narrow holes. You really need your needle threading skills at Upper Sandusky, Bucyrus, Marion and Alum Creek.

Based on the recent project checklist, you'll probably see the most changes in the Bucyrus layout by Worlds from what you played with changes on 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14 (OB), 17 & 18 still to be completed along with completing the cement pads.

Based on the recent project checklist, you'll probably see the most changes in the Bucyrus layout by Worlds from what you played with changes on 3, 4, 7, 8, 9, 12, 13, 14 (OB), 17 & 18 still to be completed along with completing the cement pads.

If they are cutting a few trees to make fairways, that's fine by me! :D

Chuck, do you know which tees will be used at Upper Sandusky?

Do you know how it was determined that a division full of Rec, Novice, and sub-Novice rated players should play long tees whereas a division mostly full of Advanced, Intermediate and Rec rated players should play short tees? Isn't that sort of backwards?

Upper will only have one set of cement tees by Worlds and maybe 5 will be the normal Red tee so the layout played will be a mix.

The tees for each division were based on the total course mix they would play. So some divisions who might have lower ratings on average might play longer tees than other higher rated divisions if they could handle the course. At Tiffin for example, the young Jrs get the long tees once and that's the only short tee course for the Adv GMs who play long everywhere else.

They updated pre-registration.

We just booked a room at the Comfort Inn in Marion. Was curious where everyone else was staying at Worlds. Looking forward to seeing everyone again.

I am curious too. The Super 8 told me they are not taking reservations yet due to some confusion regarding their standard weekly rate offering.

Lady was very nice but she had to talk to the manager..

Do you want to stay in Marion, or would a Motel 6 in a surrounding town work?

Staying at Holiday Inn in Marion - seems to be a good central location. Getting associate rate of $39 - willing to split that down even more. Anyone looking to share the room - hyzer1@comcast.net. thanks

Camping at Delaware. Scoped out the park and got the primo spot for someone who (a) wants to sleep at night and (b) wants to sleep at night: right next door to the campground hosts in a no-pets section.

Anybody know when the list will be updated?

I'm a little concerned that no one from the tournament comittee (TD or info officer) has even come on here to give us some sort of info or an official invite or even tried to pump up the tourney at all. The last few years, by this time, we had plenty of info and the TDs had really pumped up the Worlds tourney. So far this year, nothing. No info about players parties, no info about extracurricular activities, etc. Should I be concerned?

The people on the Am Worlds team aren't known for much posting anywhere. However, if you look at the Am Worlds website, I think you'll find all of the information you need and they've been adding more side events once the details have been worked out. http://www.2010amworlds.com/schedule/2010-pdga-am-worlds-week-at-a-glance/

You'll probably see more after this weekend's final Warm-up event. They've been busting it to get the concrete tee pads done everywhere so players could play the intended layouts in the warm-up.

Anybody know when the list will be updated?

I was told weekly. I think they meant weakly. More like monthly.

Are these courses pull cart friendly? I played in the Tim Selinske U.S. Masters in Augusta and had to use a bag... not that this is an issue... just like having that cooler of gatorade on hand at all times.

Carts should work well on all six courses. There are a few ravines on Alum, Delaware and Bucyrus where you might want to leave the cart near the walking path if you yanked your throw into a tough lie.

I will have my cart handy!
Getting closer by the minute.
Can't wait for this event.

Wyatt,
It looks like we'll get to see Andrew and Nate battle it out in the relatively small, but rather skilled Junior Boys under 16 Division at this year's Worlds. I look forward to that; though I myself will be playing Advanced Masters again this year.

Despite the fact we're from OH, the courses average 2 hours NE of us. See you in about a month.
Jim

Wyatt,
It looks like we'll get to see Andrew and Nate battle it out in the relatively small, but rather skilled Junior Boys under 16 Division at this year's Worlds. I look forward to that; though I myself will be playing Advanced Masters again this year.

Despite the fact we're from OH, the courses average 2 hours NE of us. See you in about a month.
Jim

Jim, sorry for the slow reply. been on vacation. Andrew has ask me several times if Nate was signed up yet. He is looking forward to play Nate. he really enjoyed the one round with Nate last year when by mistake put him on the 16 and under card.

see you soon.

Does anyone know if they will be providing bus service for Junior players again this year? I didn't find anything on the website.

Hi there! This will be my first Worlds & I'm totally jazzed about coming up to Ohio. I sent an e-mail to the address listed on the website asking about a dress code & have received no reply. Basically I want to know if collared shirts are going to be mandatory or will tee shirts be allowed as well? No big deal either way, although I do have some cool tees to wear if they are going to be allowed. Hopefully somebody on this board can answer that one for me...thanks in advance from League City, Texas!

Here's what it says in the Competition Manual in section 3.4
http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/PDGARulesofPlayandCompetitionManual.pdf
Tee shirts are OK in the 6 preliminary rounds.

3.4. Dress Code
A. All competitors and staff are required to
wear a shirt.
B. All competitors and staff are required to
wear shoes or other foot coverings. Players
will not be allowed to play in bare feet.
Sandals or slides are allowed.
C. The following dress code for all
competitors will be enforced at all PDGA
National Tour and Major Events. The PDGA
also recommends that this dress code be
enforced at Super Tour and lower tier
events, but this decision lies solely with the
Tournament Director:
(1) All players in PDGA sanctioned competition
and tournament staff are expected to dress
appropriately and to maintain a clean and
well-groomed appearance at all event sites and
associated functions.
(2) All players must wear a shirt covering their
upper chest area. A well-tailored shirt with
a fold-down, mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck,
Henley, or zippered collar, and with sleeves
covering the part of the arm from the shoulder
to the elbow (commonly known as the upper
arm), shall be considered acceptable.
Women are also allowed to wear sleeveless
shirts as designated above.
(3) No tee shirts will be allowed, except for
competitors in the Junior and Amateur
divisions during preliminary rounds only.
Juniors and Amateurs shall not wear tee shirts
during semifinal or final rounds. Crew neck
or V-neck shirts made of high-performance
or high-tech materials, such as Dry-Fit, Cool-
Max, and others will be allowed.
(4) Shirts that hang down lower than the
bottom hemline on the player’s shorts shall
be tucked in.
(5) No ripped shirts, shorts, pants will
be allowed on the course. This includes
unhemmed, torn or cut “vents” at the
shirt collar.
(6) No offensive, profane, or obscene
slogans or logos shall be allowed on
any clothing. Junior players may not
wear slogans or logos referring to alcohol
or tobacco.
(7) This dress code will be in effect from
start to finish at each event, including all
tournament rounds.
(8) Players who do not make a cut, but wish
to remain on site through the duration of the
tournament, will be considered spectators
and will not be required to conform to the
Tour’s dress code.

Thanks.....

what is the last date for registering for this tourny on line?

In previous Worlds, the discussion thread had been used by the Tournament Directors as a way of keeping everyone informed of the latest happenings and preparations being done and all sorts of stuff to keep everyone informed and somewhat fired up for the event. I haven't seen anything like that this year. I go out and look at the latest news on the official website, and I don't see much in the way of news on there, either. I am looking forward to going out to Ohio, but hoping we could get some more information. Thanks.

Local banter and course updates are on the moodgolf site here: http://moodgolf.hyperboards.com/index.php

In previous Worlds, the discussion thread had been used by the Tournament Directors as a way of keeping everyone informed of the latest happenings and preparations being done and all sorts of stuff to keep everyone informed and somewhat fired up for the event. I haven't seen anything like that this year. I go out and look at the latest news on the official website, and I don't see much in the way of news on there, either. I am looking forward to going out to Ohio, but hoping we could get some more information. Thanks.

Yea you would think a club running Am worlds would get on the PDGA Discussion board and atleast give updates on courses and other stuff to people traveling hundreds - thousands of miles away.

Local banter and course updates are on the moodgolf site here: http://moodgolf.hyperboards.com/index.php

Thanks for the link, Chuck. I did go and look at the posts there. Not a lot there, though. In fact, they have even older posts there asking about transportation for juniors that have not been responded to. Not that I personally am looking for an answer to this, just pointing that out for comparison purposes.

what is the last date for registering for this tourny on line?

i found the last on line date to be the 18th of june.


i wish there was more public forum participation from the host club.
mood disc golf is not a very busy site.
this tourny is somewhat important for the hosts to inform and answer questions on a public forum at the site where the most customers may see the responses, as their answers may be there for their questions.

I believe all questions posted here have been answered except for the Junior shuttle. Not sure where that's at. Recognize that as clubs become more computer savvy, there will be more posting of information on their Worlds websites and less need for discussion answers from the hosts.

In big cities like KC, there will be more locals on the PDGA D-Board pumping the event with their insider info on what's been happening week to week. In mid-Ohio, the locals are more workers than posters so the hype isn't materializing. But I think players will see the results of their efforts when they get to Worlds.

I can say this about the courses. They have all been tested and tweaked for great blue level challenges which is the goal for Am Worlds. So it should be a close battle in Advanced with no great advantage for the power throwers. The Final 9 is going to be a surprising and tricky challenge around and thru the OSU-Marion campus.

I believe all questions posted here have been answered except for the Junior shuttle. Not sure where that's at. Recognize that as clubs become more computer savvy, there will be more posting of information on their Worlds websites and less need for discussion answers from the hosts.

In big cities like KC, there will be more locals on the PDGA D-Board pumping the event with their insider info on what's been happening week to week. In mid-Ohio, the locals are more workers than posters so the hype isn't materializing. But I think players will see the results of their efforts when they get to Worlds.

I can say this about the courses. They have all been tested and tweaked for great blue level challenges which is the goal for Am Worlds. So it should be a close battle in Advanced with no great advantage for the power throwers. The Final 9 is going to be a surprising and tricky challenge around and thru the OSU-Marion campus.


KC Rocs!
Any proposed changes to the current schedule that we should know about?

No schedule changes planned unless the final numbers entered in divisions could use some tweaking. Possibility that some pools might be consolidated on certain days if numbers lower than expected. However, it's looking like everything is on track for the schedule to stay the same.

Anyone looking for a partner for Am World Doubles(mixed)?

Send me a Pm.

This year they did not limit Grandmaster to 72, as they have other years, and are having an overflow pool. How will they determine who will be in the overflow pool? I registered early, and have been to the last 3 Worlds, so I am hoping that I am not, and will be rather disappointed if I am in the overflow pool, as I do enjoy playing with everybody, not just the overflows.

Hey!

I'm playing in my first tournament as a pro this weekend and I am already registered for Advanced Men for Am worlds at the end of the month.

If I cash this weekend in open, can I accept cash or do I need to accept merchandise in order to compete in Ohio?

Are the Worlds championships for last years stats or would this weekend affect my eligibility?

Thanks,
Robby Uhrman

This year they did not limit Grandmaster to 72, as they have other years, and are having an overflow pool. How will they determine who will be in the overflow pool? I registered early, and have been to the last 3 Worlds, so I am hoping that I am not, and will be rather disappointed if I am in the overflow pool, as I do enjoy playing with everybody, not just the overflows.

Don't anger the ones in charge of setting the pools and you'll be fine :)


Or if you are a known PIA like me nothing will save you :)

Depending on other division registrations, the GM pools may be more equal in size. Regardless, the pools will be shuffled based on score after a few rounds so play well and you'll be in the top pool in the second half of the week anyway.

Hey!

I'm playing in my first tournament as a pro this weekend and I am already registered for Advanced Men for Am worlds at the end of the month.

If I cash this weekend in open, can I accept cash or do I need to accept merchandise in order to compete in Ohio?

Are the Worlds championships for last years stats or would this weekend affect my eligibility?

Thanks,
Robby Uhrman

If you accept cash I don't think you can compete at Am Worlds because you are no longer an Am.

You must accept merch. Although you qualify for an invite based only on last year's stats, your pro status is monitored up until Am Worlds.

Usually all of the Women play in one pool. My wife is playing Grandmaster Women, and she is a little upset that they will not be playing in the same pool as the other women. Instead, they are paired with the Senior Grandmaster Men and Senior Grandmaster Women (which total 0). The only time they will see the other women is at the other events. The number of women players is not so large (currently only 33 total women in all divisions) that they could not accomodate this. Is there any chance they can re-think this? If not, I think she will want to move up to Advanced Masters so that she can socialize and play with the other women at the event. Thanks for looking into this.

She is not the only one who is thinking about moving to Am Master Women. Diana will probably move also. Otherwise the transportation will be a nightmare for us.

Schedule is always a "draft" until the division numbers are known. Schedule may be adjusted pending numbers that work out for consolidation.

For that matter, I've never understood why they don't put the junior girls in the women's pool. One of the reasons why our girls quit playing in the junior girls' divisions was that it made transportation so difficult. I've always thought that if the junior girls were in the women's pool, more mothers and their daughters would participate because that transportation issue would be resolved.

I tried to email some people on these questions, but if anyone out there has an answer it would help immensely!

Anyone know what course(s) will be hosting doubles on Sunday June 27th? Will they be closed for practice for non-participants?

Also, one other quick thing... is the course at OSU-Marion a temp course? Is it the same course listed as Marion Blue/Marion Red in the schedule? And will it be open to play before the tournament starts?

Thank you all for your time! I thought if I sprinkled the questions in a couple of places I might have a better shot at getting some answers.
-Ethan Wellin

I tried to email some people on these questions, but if anyone out there has an answer it would help immensely!

[1]Anyone know what course(s) will be hosting doubles on Sunday June 27th? [2]Will they be closed for practice for non-participants?

[3]Also, one other quick thing... is the course at OSU-Marion a temp course? [4]Is it the same course listed as Marion Blue/Marion Red in the schedule? [5]And will it be open to play before the tournament starts?

Thank you all for your time! I thought if I sprinkled the questions in a couple of places I might have a better shot at getting some answers.
-Ethan WellinI'll tell you what I've been told and defer to anyone with actual knowledge:

[1] Most likely Alum or Delaware
[2] During the doubles tournament, yes.
[3] Yes
[4] No
[5] Do not know, but I would guess not since it is only being used for the Final 9.

Chuck?

Perfect. Thank you Bruce. Then I'm going to guess that two sets of tees at Sawyer Ludwig in the MOODG Website Course Directory = Marion Blue/Marion Red on the course schedule. Appreciate the info.

Yes, I recall that they were making long tees at the Marion course when we were there.

She is not the only one who is thinking about moving to Am Master Women. Diana will probably move also. Otherwise the transportation will be a nightmare for us.Diana did move to Am Master Women to solve our transportation issues with Kira. Mr. Gentry said they'd probably update the list on Friday.

This year they did not limit Grandmaster to 72, as they have other years, and are having an overflow pool. How will they determine who will be in the overflow pool? I registered early, and have been to the last 3 Worlds, so I am hoping that I am not, and will be rather disappointed if I am in the overflow pool, as I do enjoy playing with everybody, not just the overflows.

When will we actually know which pool we are playing in? In MG1 we have two - "G" and "H". A couple of us are coming up from North and South Carolina and had planned on car pooling but that depends somewhat on which pool we are in for the early rounds. I know for the last two days the pools are realigned, but wonder about the first two days? Anyone???

Typically the pools are set and shown on PDGA.com shortly after registration closes. I'd look for the registration closing date, and then look at the pre-reged list of players the next day.

I'll tell you what I've been told and defer to anyone with actual knowledge:

[5] Do not know, but I would guess not since it is only being used for the Final 9.



Let me state further that there is a standard or rule in the Competition Manual regarding the availability of a temporary course in advance of a major or NT. I'm not going to look it up or quote it for you. From my experience, the PDGA is no better at following and enforcing the Competition Manual at tournaments where it has a heavy hand than your average TD at your average weekend event. So, the fact that there is a rule by no means ensures that anyone associated with the tournament knows that there is a rule or has any plan to follow it.

I'm familiar with the rule, but I guess I was really only concerned about practicing the course because I originally though "Marion Blue" on the course guide was the temp course... makes a lot of sense to spend a practice day working out the shots on a course you're going to play 18 or 36 holes on in the tournament. However the relative benefit of spending a practice day working out a course that will only be used in the unlikely event that I make the final 9 seems pretty small, so once I cleared up that the temp course was only for the final 9, I'm not terribly concerned about weather or not the course is available for practice.

That said, its would always be nice to see to-the-letter adherance to the rulebook and comp manual, but under the present schedule, I'm not sure I personally would take advantage anyway. Thanks for the info Bruce.

Gentry told me today that the pool assignments will be set on June 21.

Anybody need a room mate for the week?

I am traveling solo and would like to split cost
of hotel room with someone.

Please PM me or email at
sammyshaheen@gmail.com

Can anyone confirm that Mixed Doubles are at Marion? The current schedule does not say.

And does anybody know if theres any plant life (Poison Ivy or Oak) or insects and whatnot that we should be aware of.

Diana did move to Am Master Women to solve our transportation issues with Kira. Mr. Gentry said they'd probably update the list on Friday.

Sarah made the move as well. They weren't willing (or able?) to move the Grandmaster Women into the pool with the rest of the Women. After all, there are a total of 37 women playing, so it would be pretty hard to fit them all in one pool.

There is poison ivy. Normal amounts in the normal places. Alum Creek had the most because the course is new. Delaware had some. Upper Sandusky had some. I don't remember seeing a lot of it at the other courses. It grows mostly where there is a heavy tree line near an open area, or where there is dappled shade in the woods. If you're good at spotting it and not that good at keeping it in the fairway, you'll probably see some on every course.

The mosquitos were really light when we were there a few weeks ago.

The thing with the Grand Master Women was about theoretical ideas about which courses were best for which divisions. Before Diana and your wife bailed on the Grand Master Women, the ratings between them and the Am Master Women were almost identical. Oh well, the Am Master Women now have enough players to get a foursome in the Final Nine.

I am camping at Delaware State park starting the night of the 26th. I had a few friends back out. I have room on my site for a tent if anyone wants to split the cost. email me at acbigcheese@yahoo.com

Gentry told me today that the pool assignments will be set on June 21.

Where will the pools be listed?

Where will the pools be listed?





yea! what he said^^^^^^^^

AM Worlds update page, says Tuesday morning, June 22.

AM Worlds update page, says Tuesday morning, June 22.Pacific time. :D Pools are up.

where do i find pool assignments??????

i,ve surched the pdga site.
i dont hav twitterr or facebook accounts.

where do i find pool assignments??????

i,ve surched the pdga site.
i dont hav twitterr or facebook accounts.

Didn't search too long I'm guessing as they are right next to the players name on the registered players list on this website. :)

Vibram Disc Golf will be at Am Worlds. Stop by any of these locations and give us a shout out.

Monday at 6:00 PM, an hour before the player’s meeting, we will hold a Vibram Putting Clinic and Durability Demo. Basically, we go over the Vibram discs and materials, giving folks a chance to see and grip each of them. We also go over some putting tips that have worked for us. And lastly, we attempt to destroy some discs. Yes, we will be bashing them into rocks and roads, and we need your help! :-D

Tuesday at 7:00 PM, we will be at the Flymart showing off the discs and running putting games with prizes.

All women and Jr competitors can stop by the booth and pick-up a free Vibram mini.

Try your hand at putting with the Vibram discs in each of the X-Link materials. Prizes, raffles and fun are sure to be had.

Possible prizes? Vibram Tester Team spots, Way Cool Custom discs (see http://vibramdiscgolf.posterous.com/...est-discs-ever), X-Link Soft discs, and more. You’ll have to stop by and see.

If some courses are not playable what
will the replacement courses be?

Will we play another course twice or something
else?

Looks to me like they will be playable but just
thought I would ask.

Thanks

Can someone clarify which tees will be played at Delaware State Park? Noticed that the short tees all have Tee Signs with the Am Worlds insignia... however I'm feeling a little confused, I was told backs (then fronts) by two different groups of locals while we were out practicing, and no one seemed to know if it was different depending on your division.

Thanks for your help. If this info is available somewhere and I've missed it, a link would be sufficient.

EDIT: Course map online would indicate the long tees. still would love clarification on if this applies to all divisions to help out my little brother. Not sure why the signs would be at the shorts unless at least some divisions are playing them.

I'm also very interested in which tees on Deleware, and for the ADV division, which courses do you locals (or people familiar with the courses) think will be the most challenging?

We don't play Bucyrus, so of the other 5, which are the toughest?

From looking at the holes on DGCR, it seems like Deleware is the beast of the group.

Thanks,
Robby

Delaware Tees for Worlds:

1 Long
2 Long
3 Only 1 tee
4 Long
5 Long
6 Only 1 tee
7 Long
8 Long
9 Long
10 Long
11 Long
12 Only 1 tee (normal hole g)
13 Only 1 tee (normal hole 12)
14 Long (normal hole 13)
15 Long (normal hole 14)
16 Normal 15 short tee to 16 basket (normal 15 basket has still been in lately so you actually throw past it)
17 Only 1 tee (basket was moved closer in recent weeks if you haven't been there in a while)
18 Middle tee

As for most challenging: Probably Delaware. Alum is almost all wooded so if you can't hit lines you will take many strokes. Unfortunaltly I haven't seen the 6 new holes at upper so i can't give a good opinion on it, but the holes that stayed were mostly wooded and I've heard that the new holes are also pretty wooded. Tiffin is mostly open. Some walking path obs and a river, but will be better suited for the power throwers. Marion is about half and half with some very open "power" holes and some wooded "finesse" holes.

The new holes at Upper Sandusky are far better than the old holes. There are a few deuces and a couple of par 4 holes, a hill shot and some artificial o.b.

If I had limited practice time I'd practice Delaware, Alum Creek and Upper Sandusky, if they are on your schedule.

If you have played a lot of courses, you are not going to see anything you've never seen before. A few of the courses have long and short tees and the plan is to play a mix at a couple of those courses. Print out the Worlds course maps and the distances might clue you in to what tees you are playing at Delaware.

Here's a link to the information, if you have not already found it:

http://www.pdga.com/world-championships

Didn't search too long I'm guessing as they are right next to the players name on the registered players list on this website. :)

thank you.
the pool letters were not there the last time i looked at registered players.

Attention GPS users:

The PDF posted on PDGA for "Mileage & Course Location Information" has the wrong GPS coordinates for Hedges Boyer @ Tiffin.

http://www.pdga.com/pdga-documents/2...se-information (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/../pdga-documents/2010-am-worlds-additional-course-information)
http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/...cationInfo.pdf (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/../files/documents/2010AmWorlds-LocationInfo.pdf)

Should be 41.104, -83.158, but it currently has 40.104, -83.158. Anyone using the posted GPS coordinates is going to find themselves ~85 miles South of where they should be.

The coordinates listed on the AM Worlds page are also wrong (but the link is correct).

http://www.2010amworlds.com/courses/

PDGA & AM Worlds folks have been contacted.

thank you.
the pool letters were not there the last time i looked at registered players.

They were added about 8 hours BEFORE your post - which is why I was surprised you didn't see them with your post time. :)

Good luck to you at Worlds!

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The doubles information is on the Activities Schedule. Tiffin and Upper Sandusky, I believe it says.

Just want to give a shout out to the MOOD golf people who have been working like dogs to get this event up to speed.

They have done a tremendous job despite dealing with park construction (forcing nine holes to be relocated), flash flooding, remodel/improvements and having to try and get work done when it rains about every third day.

These are people who have spent every free moment for several months working hundreds of hours to make this event happen for YOU and the only thing they ask in return is to enjoy yourself and play well. I'M asking you to also say thank you to every volunteer you come across. A lot of golfers have no idea how much a blood and sweat it takes to host a normal tournament let alone one that lasts five days, over six courses and over 500 competitors.

Just keep that thought in the front of your head if things aren't as punctual as you might want or a hole isn't to your liking (trust me that branch wasn't left there to personally frustrate you).

To all competitors - good luck and bring your A game!

Thanks again MOOD golf and good job!

All six courses are officially playable for Am Worlds. Dave Gentry and TD Ken Rollins reviewed the Bucyrus and Upper Sandusky courses today (Friday afternoon). Both courses have been approved as playable. So those who have those courses on their schedule will be playing them according to times shown on draft schedule V2.2.

There are significant brush piles to the right of fairway 7 and behind pin 8 at Upper Sandusky that will likely not be removed before start of play on Sunday for Doubles. These brush piles will be handled as special conditions casual relief with drop zones. Details are being worked out with marking and notification to players before Upper Sandusky is played in competition.

I'm stoked!

http://www.theonion.com/video/report-most-college-males-admit-to-regularly-getti,14386/

Funny!!!:D

Here's a link to the am worlds promo I did, nothing earth-shattering but 15-minutes well spent if you're interested...

http://www.blip.tv/file/3743188

How is the doubles competition going. Keep us posted

Doubles results were posted about 7 last night.

http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=10174

http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=9553

The doubles were fun. Upper Sandusky was quite playable for the doubles but it really poured long and hard last night after the tournament ended.

Current leaders in field events as of 2:30pm
Putting: Jim Kelly 43 MA1
Minigolf: Matt Travis 48 MA1
SkillShot: Chris Dalton 771 MA1
Long Drive: Omar Williams 570' MJ2, David Wiggins Jr 561' MA1, Rebecca Frazer 366' FW1

Hey all:

If anyone this week wants to sell their Z nuke with the Am Worlds stamp that came in the players pack, I have a friend back home that wants two of them.

He is offering $20 a piece and the first two that call me are sold.

901-605-3161

Robby Uhrman
20177

Hey all

If you have a camera take some pictures both on and off course. We need good pictures not only of the winning players so Fly Mart and other activities off course would be great in the next issue of DiscGolfer.

Remember to use a very high resolution setting on digital cameras! What looks OK online is usually not dense enough for good glossy prints.

I'll be on site by the end of the week. Have temp cell phone 423 276-9221 for the trip so I can get with you and transfer pictures.

Lets get some great images for the next issue.

email photo editor (pdgaphotos@gmail.com)

Current leaders in field events as of 2:30pm
Putting: Jim Kelly 43 MA1
Minigolf: Matt Travis 48 MA1
SkillShot: Chris Dalton 771 MA1
Long Drive: Omar Williams 570' MJ2, David Wiggins Jr 561' MA1, Rebecca Frazer 366' FW1

YEA OMAR!!!!!!!!!!!


Kid outdrove Lil Wigg and got some redemption from the last D contest! Also props to Jim for putting well when it doesn't matter.

I hereby declare this message board............DEAD!!!



a few years ago there would have been dozens of posts about the event yet this year there is...none.

People must have got tired of reading your negative posts and stopped tuning in!

People must have got tired of reading your negative posts and stopped tuning in!

Really? You give me that much credit?

Can't wait for the new and improved 2012 Pro Worlds.

Website traffic has been steadily increasing with more people reading rather than commenting.

Website traffic has been steadily increasing with more people reading rather than commenting.

I don't doubt that one bit.....just there isn't too much to read.

I miss the board that wasn't a ghost town.

That's a nice picture of tournament hole#15 at Gordon Holton Memorial Course at Delaware State Park that was posted:

http://www.pdga.com/files/images/Delware_Hole_15.JPG

At 295 feet, it would be a sweet deuce. Probably tougher on the southpaws though.

Looks like Lil Wiggins is going to lap the field.

Peace

I thought this picture from the Tuesday gallery was pretty cool:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4136/4748502060_18d1dc4fd9.jpg

In my experience, it's somewhat rare to see female disc golfers throwing rollers. It's pretty cool to see a lady bust out a forehand roller, and assuming it missed that tree, with such a perfect angle I'm willing to bet that this shot made it out nicely past the next treeline. :cool:

Will their be live scoring. Team Carolina doing pretty good. Scientific Discgolf rep's Andrew, David, and Trey in da house. Again

Hey y'all, I'm going to upload some more photos but here's a start. Advanced men and women today. I have more, will keep adding them to this album.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/50342491@N00/sets/72157624395100744/

Gotta get some food.

Matt

Hi Rocky! Thanks for the support :-) Also, David Weaver is keeping it close currently 5th in the junior 19 and under. So the entire team is in the top 5....We miss Dawn - and you here. Tell Dawn we said Hi :-)

Looking for a ride for pool B on friday. My buddy is staying at the Country Inn and Suites. PM me if you can help out.

AM Worlds is such a joke in regard to the Advanced Men division.

Why do you say that?

Hi Rocky! Thanks for the support :-) Also, David Weaver is keeping it close currently 5th in the junior 19 and under. So the entire team is in the top 5....We miss Dawn - and you here. Tell Dawn we said Hi :-)

Definetly miss being there, playing and watching the team represent.Money is tight. Maybe next year. Team Scientific discgolf is doing great. Bring home the Gold.

Live Scoring?, anybody?

I have been a PDGA Marshal this year at the Am Worlds and things are going great. In the little down time I have I have been trying to continue with my Disc Golf Guy Video Blog Series.

Monday night I caught up with the 2009 Advanced Men's PDGA Points Champion, "Diabetic" Dave Nelson and his buddy, Kenny Glassman. Looks like they were a good pick as they are both doing VERY well in the event. Check out their interview here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kh0xWvwrgG8

Wednesday night I got a great interview with Vibram Sales and Marketing Manager, Steve Dodge and we'll get that posted very soon but in a more timely sense I wanted to get our visit with David Wiggins Jr uploaded so please check it out (it might still be rendering on YouTube so it might be slightly blurry if you link it this instant)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bKdGYgA9ig

Again, Vibram Blog to come very soon and we'll try to shoot another one later on tonight.

Thanks for watching! (http://www.youtube.com/thediscgolfguy)

Why do you say that?

After looking at the scores maybe it has something to do with 3rd being 20 strokes back after 5 rounds?

Ya, something about averaging 1025 just doesn't sound very advanced to me.

Ya, something about averaging 1025 just doesn't sound very advanced to me.

It isn't like he won last year or anything........

It isn't like he won last year or anything........

If you guys are referring to the magnificent play of David Wiggins, he didn't win last year. He was beat by a local named Matt Keatts. You are probably referring to David Wiggins, may you recognize that the youngster is just playing great disc golf, cool underpressure, practices 4hrs a day, and is a great young man. All his hours of practice, and storing his potiental in a bank, he knows when to make a withdraw, and cash in. He's playing great, is the bottom line. A true American Idol. Soon he will have his drivers liscence and will drive to a course, perhaps close to you guy's. Then you too will see what we in North Carolina have been admiring for a long time.

I am speaking about how it seems almost every year there is some sandbagging pro caliber player that is around 1000 rating that decides they will turn pro after AM Worlds because they want the AM Title. I know there is no rule for this, and there is pretty much no real way to make somebody play up in there respective division. Also, age plays no factor in this race in my opinion. Any player that exhibits consistent 1000 rated golf and is playing in AM Tournaments, is cheating the system, plain and simple.

If we had local, statewide and national all star high school championships like other sports, no one would be complaining about bagging no matter how highly rated (even pro caliber) a player might be (think Lebron) competing for the title while still in high school. But high schooler Wiggins isn't playing in a HS division but an adult am division. What's bagging about that?

The Advanced Division is not an age specific division though.

And the good Dr. Wiggins may correct me if I'm wrong here but I believe David will continue his Am career for quite some time. He will have to in order to retain amateur status through his college years. So this isn't one of those cases of wanting to win Am worlds before going Pro.

Truth be told this happens every year when Am worlds takes place. Someone plays well enough to win and the debate about bagging starts up. If every person on here complaining would spend 10% of the time that Wiggy does practicing, you'd all raise your rating by 50 points. He's raised his rating 320 points in the last few years. There isn't a person in this sport that works harder to achieve his goals than Wiggy. Set a new distance record every year, win another world championship, break records and become one of the best golfers this sport has ever known. All of this for a kid that just turned 15, maintains consistant good grades in school and is one of the greatest guys you'll ever have the privelage of meeting. Instead of hating, take a step back and know that you're watching the development of someone that may become the greatest golfer to ever play this sport we love. The only thing that will stop him is him.

So log off the computer, step into the back yard and practice putting for the next 1/2 hour. That'll be the 10 % of the daily time that Wiggy spent practicing for this years worlds.

What is he saving his Am status for?????...is he really good at another sport, that he will play in college???

I've heard basketball. Maybe a specialist at last second full court heaves? :)

Live Scoring for Masters and GMs going on right now with some good battles.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/live.php?TournID=9550&Div=MM1

KEEP it up Ron E. way to represent TEXAS

It sure gets old hearing bagger this bagger that. And yeah Go Ron E.

What is he saving his Am status for?????...is he really good at another sport, that he will play in college???

Per the interviews he is going Pro directly after this event. He just wanted to win the Am Worlds Title. He wont take cash, but will play Pro from now on, at least according to several interviews I've seen with him.

I am speaking about how it seems almost every year there is some sandbagging pro caliber player that is around 1000 rating that decides they will turn pro after AM Worlds because they want the AM Title. I know there is no rule for this, and there is pretty much no real way to make somebody play up in there respective division. Also, age plays no factor in this race in my opinion. Any player that exhibits consistent 1000 rated golf and is playing in AM Tournaments, is cheating the system, plain and simple.

Maybe you consider that Lil Wiggins may want to go to college. He needs to leave all his options open. Perhaps he is just playing real good. One thing is for sure, he fears no disc golfer. He qualified for USDG last year, and did well. If he starts accepting cash, its a new ballgame. It would also be nice to be the Am World Champion, leader of all the divisions. Top division he can possibly play in. Look at his scores, he is playing real well. He wont bragg, boast, or belittle anyone. He just has a winning(not whining) attitude. Think he will play safe the last 2 rounds, nope. Not his style.

wiggins is a GOOD PLAYER he plays with the big dogs all the time in NC... the kid will pass up allot of cash to retain his am status.. but that his up to him. I am glad to see the kid playing so well. more new young player like him is what this sport needs

Watch live scoring later this afternoon to see if Wiggins can set the tournament best score on all five courses he played. He shot 56 the first time on Delaware and he needs a 50 or better to tie or beat the best score on this course which is the highest SSA here (54+). The round is scheduled for 3pm but the course runs a little late so it could be a half hour later.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/live.php?TournID=9550&Div=MA1

Assuming Wiggy holds on to the lead barring any catastrophe or meltdown. This will be 3 in a row for NC and 6 of the past 10 and the first time someone has won the Am triple Crown. This is also the smallest group to represent the state at Am worlds with almost no representitives from the power regions of Raleigh, Charlotte and east of 95. The boys from the triad area of Winston Salem, Greensboro and High Point are taking the lead this year with Wiggy, Trey Williams and Eddie Garmon all in the top 20.

And if you thought it was going to get easier, we've still got 12 to 20 ams in the state who'll be threatening to take the title for the next few years.

Hey Chuck, Nick shot 9 down at Tiffin Red this morning but that score only wielded a 956 rating? Why is that? Is it because Daiche scored a -13 or are the pars set too high for the course or a combo of both? Whats the SSA for Tiffin Red?

The par for Tiffin Red is set for red level players (875>) not Blue level like the other courses long or blue tees. The SSA has been around 44.5 or so for a 1000-rated round with each throw worth about 13 points.

Big Wig, Congrats to Lil'Wig for what looks like his complete set of AM titles. Will I see you guys at the Raleigh Midtown in 2 weeks? Look forward to it. I'm hoping Andrew Coggin
makes his move too!!

North Carolina Disc Golf .............need I say more?

No one has mentioned that Wiggins could be the first player to win The Bowling Green AM's, US AM's, and World's in the same year. Nice trio especially since he's only 15!

BTW, I had a chance to speak to Wiggins in BG and we need more players like him. Great kid. The haters need to back off and worry about their own game.

I heard a story from dad of one of the junior players about some of the stuff that happened out there today which has got me concerned.

There was a OB issue on their card, and one dad suggested that the other dad have his son play a provisional disc. The other dad elected not to do so. (That was a bad decision on the part of that father - ALWAYS play a provisional if there is any doubt...it doesn't cost you anything!) So after the round is over with, they total up their cards and turn them in. (I think the player counted the throw as OB.) They go to ask the course TD about the OB line and they ended up speaking with a course marshall who says "I can make that ruling. The stakes on the hole are simply to mark a steep drop-off, a safety marker." Apparently the marshall adjusted the score on the card to remove 1 throw.

So the first dad retrieves a sheet of paper handed out with the player packs which described OB conditions on a hole by hole, course by course basis. The particular hole in question listed the OB on the sheet in print. So the offending players score had to be adjusted yet again.

Here is my fundemental issue: How is it that there is a course marshall out there, who feels it is okay to make an OB ruling without having his own copy of the OB list in his possession, and without consulting it?

I also heard a bit about the story of the Juniors cards that played from the incorrect tees. Who was it that told these players to play from the wrong tee??? Please don't tell me that it was a course TD that made this error!!! Who was it?

why are the pars jacked up?

I'm -4 from looking at the course pars...

I did notice that at one point today it said -5, but now it says E and every player is 4 strokes worse off than their actual par.

Anyone?

I honestly dont see any justification for any hatred towards Wiggins. Most people say he's not giving real amateurs a chance, but this is an individual game. If I were in his shoes I wouldnt be thinking about how to keep other ams down, but how to work on my own game so I can compete with the top pros every week on a consistent basis. The kid seems to have a different approach to becoming a full time pro, and I just wish I had the time to work on my game the way he does. I just hope his appeal lasts for many many years to help the sport become more mainstream instead of just being known as the teen phenom.

It's actually a lose-lose situation for the kid because whenever he wins an Am title, he's going to take alot of crap for it, and if he were to lose at an Am event he'll still take alot of crap for losing to an Am.

why are the pars jacked up? I'm -4 from looking at the course pars...
I did notice that at one point today it said -5, but now it says E and every player is 4 strokes worse off than their actual par.
Anyone?

For some reason, the Alum Creek par in the online score posting seems to revert to 54 when we set up live scoring yestersday for any course. I switched it back to 58 so the online over/under pars should match the printed results posted in Marion. Hopefully it won't revert when we set up live scoring for the semis and finals today.

The par on Bucyrus is one higher than actually played since a true blue par 4 was changed to the short tee without changing the par before printing. The par on the shorter red tee layouts at Tiffin and Marion are set for red level so they are inflated for the blue and white level divisions who played them once or twice.

It's "Breakfast at Marion" this morning with up to four pools with live scoring coverage starting just after 8am Eastern. Advanced, Advanced Masters, Advanced GM and Advanced Women are planned.

Does this spot go to 2nd place in AM1 or Best AM score get the USDGC spot (if Wiggy wins), since Wiggins Jr. has a spot of AM Nats?

Thanks

BTW...Go Wiggy, Trey, Coggin and Eddie! As well as all other NC and VA competitors! The Piedmont Triiad is a great place to play, practice and learn the game. Party at Johnson Street when yall get back! Eddie runs our Tuesday night singles, which Coggin, Trey and Wiggy are a figure at.

Come on Vicente!! Bring another title home to Lubbock!!

Just found out that in Adv. Women there was a playoff for the 4th finals spot...Michelle Frazer bested her mom, Sandra Frazer in a 2-hole playoff.

That's V-vus Maximus. Dang second round, pretty much cost him a push for a win.

The advanced players don't seem to be listed in the correct "Place" order.

Props to Paige Bjerkaas for her first World Championship. She won the <16 girls division at 13 years old. Looking forward to many more competitive Worlds from Paige! Great shooting! Colorado is proud of you!

MADMAX

Props to Paige Bjerkaas for her first World Championship. She won the <16 girls division at 13 years old. Looking forward to many more competitive Worlds from Paige! Great shooting! Colorado is proud of you!

MADMAX


This!

It is always nice to see young girls playing and it will only help the sport progress even more. It was great to see so many young kids shooting great rounds!!!!

Congrats to all the World Champs............all I can say is... MOVE UP BAGGERS! lol

Congrats to Rebecca Frazer! Chuck do we have other sisters or brothers who have each won Am Worlds (Advanced)? If Michelle wins (Advanced) next year, that would be three sisters! I think the Frazer women pretty much swept Tulsa the year Nicole took Advanced.

Nicole -- if you're listening hope your injury heals well and fast!

I am speaking about how it seems almost every year there is some sandbagging pro caliber player that is around 1000 rating that decides they will turn pro after AM Worlds because they want the AM Title. I know there is no rule for this, and there is pretty much no real way to make somebody play up in there respective division. Also, age plays no factor in this race in my opinion. Any player that exhibits consistent 1000 rated golf and is playing in AM Tournaments, is cheating the system, plain and simple.

Any of your ridiculous complaints about the new Am Champion can be sent to me at oakhollowdgc.com Keep them off public threads. I'll be happy to challenge any of you knuckleheads on your "opinions" of this great kid and the AM/ PRO disc golf system.

I'm as proud of him as his father! I'll be dammed if I let you guys try to drag the boy down...

The only "cheating" going on is yourself. Worry about yourself, your game, and your practice regimin.

I don't know you, but I know him. If you would have beat him, he would have been the first to shake your hand with congratulations. Can you say the same? Time to quit cheating yourself, plain and simple...

Any of your ridiculous complaints about the new Am Champion can be sent to me at oakhollowdgc.com Keep them off public threads. I'll be happy to challenge any of you knuckleheads on your "opinions" of this great kid and the AM/ PRO disc golf system.

I'm as proud of him as his father! I'll be dammed if I let you guys try to drag the boy down...

The only "cheating" going on is yourself. Worry about yourself, your game, and your practice regimin.

I don't know you, but I know him. If you would have beat him, he would have been the first to shake your hand with congratulations. Can you say the same? Time to quit cheating yourself, plain and simple...


Everybody here in Charlotte stands firmly behind Doctor Dave and Little Wig. I pity empty hearted people who attempt to tear down other people to make themselves feel like their lives have some real meaning.

Congratulations to you Jr. and also to your close buddy Andrew. Great job at the worlds.

I am speaking about how it seems almost every year there is some sandbagging pro caliber player that is around 1000 rating that decides they will turn pro after AM Worlds because they want the AM Title. I know there is no rule for this, and there is pretty much no real way to make somebody play up in there respective division. Also, age plays no factor in this race in my opinion.

You have stated your perception of a problem -- what's your proposed specific solution? Should the PDGA branch off into two organizations -- the PDGA & the ADGA -- and not let anyone rated higher than 950 compete at ADGA events? Should amateur events be trophy only? (both of those measures might grow the Pro ranks and put the "P" in PDGA).

What about someone who does not wish to lose their amateur status? Or the person who sees 980 and higher rated golfers in all major Am events and so knows it will be truly challenging to win? Should not people who get beat by such a player shake that person's hand rather than bemoaning their presence?

Any player that exhibits consistent 1000 rated golf and is playing in AM Tournaments, is cheating the system, plain and simple.

no, any player staying in amateur status only because they want to win awards and merchandise (aka: soon-to-be-cash) or because they fear real competition is cheating the system (and there are plenty out there rated a lot less than 1000). It goes on in Intermediate too. You have to leave room for the fact that some 1000 rated golfers are not cheating the system by playing Am, and some 960 rated golfers are. And then there are geographic areas where top Advanced players aren't ready for Pro but if they move to other areas they could clean up as Pros. the devil is in the details...

How many sports do you know of with Pros that are just 15 years old?

Stan, Dave and everyone. The last 7 years at AM worlds has been incredible and one of the most rewarding experiences of my life. How great it is to be a dad! If I could say anything, it would be for all you guys out there to spend time with your sons and daughters. Teach them to play disc golf, fish, or whatever you love doing together. Before you know it they go from 4 years old to 14 then 24.

You guys knew David from a little tot, and I'm sure you are aware as we've discussed in the past, that you have played a personal role in his success.

thanks,

Dave

What a great experience. Thanks for all the time
and energy put forth.

Congrats to all the champions.

Congratulations to all the winners in every division! Congratulations especially to David Wiggins Jr! I have never had a chance to play so many rounds with him, he helped me stay calm and motivated to shoot better and I feel like I wouldn't have placed in the top 3 without his help.

I'm gonna miss wiggles playing Am because now I won't get to play a competitive round with him again for a while : (

Trey

I don't know much about anything, and I'm certainly not informed on how ratings work, but this morning it seems that all of the ratings have been balanced (for lack of a better term).

The conditions were pretty consistent throughout the week so I would agree that the conditions didn't hurt or help a round at Delaware from Tuesday to Friday. I could see the numbers slightly shifting, but how does a 954 become a 918? That first round for the A pool at Delaware changed a considerable amount. The hot score in A pool was a 53 and it is now worth 970-something.

Should a person just ignore the ratings that are posted the night after the round? I've seen the numbers change in one year of playing PDGA events, but these jumped a ton.

Also, the pars (as far as I can tell - are still off 5 strokes)...

I thought the courses were as follows: (Delaware - 60, Marion - 60, Alum - 58, Tiffin - 58, Upper - 57)

With that, Aaron Trimmer in 5th place would have shot Del (-4) Alum (-6) Tiff (-4) Marion (-5) Upper (-6) Del (-7) Upper (-2) ...

which totals -34...

I think everyone is off 5 strokes then...

I had a wonderful time at my first Worlds and this is not gripe as much as it's curiosity about how ratings seem arbitrary and posted pars.

Thanks!

Looks like the course pars all reverted to Alum Creek for each round. I'll try to fix it tomorrow. The ratings are based on the pool that played the course each round. The more players, the less variance in ratings on the same course from round to round. That's why it's good to wait until the official ratings are done since it includes scores from many more people in the calculations.

Will those that played the semi final get a rating? How about the final 9, is there a way to rate it? How about doubles? Will each partners rating count the same?

Doubles are never rated. Semifinals or Finals get ratings if at least 5 propagators play a layout and it has at least 13 holes. So 'Yes' all semi rounds will be rated and no Finals.

Courses have been reassigned properly for unofficial ratings. We hope to have the official ratings for Am Worlds in the ratings update next week so the unofficial ratings will disappear in the next day or two.

My heartfelt thanks to all of you folks in Ohio who made this thing happen...the courses were in great shape, especially considering the drenching they took before the beginning of the week. I also want to apologize for asking the scorekeepers to check what I thought was a wrong score the day of the finals (when they had far more important things to do)...one of my buddies reminded me that I did shoot a 75 on Marion Blue...I guess I wanted to forget about that one because it was the only course I shot more than 20 over on! Sorry, guys! I practiced that course the afternoon before & fell & kinda hurt my back, so I hereby blame it on that! I shot my highest rated round on the Alum course, which was supposed to be the toughest one we played...so I felt pretty good about that (also shot long uphill birdie putt on #8 & was applauded by Juliana Korver...that made my day!). All in all it was a great week & one of the best "vacations" I've ever had. Congratulations to all of the winners in all of the divisions...those of you complainers need to put the sour grapes back in the fridge or just throw them out! In my cliched opinion we were all winners just for being there & participating...thanks, Ohio!

Thanks Billy. I was just about to dig thru the scorecards to see if we miss-entered your score as a 75. Glad you had a good time despite the higher score.

I actually cashed in putting and skill shot. I did
not attend the award ceremony because my
other play was not that great.

Is there anyone I can talk to about getting something?

If not no biggie. Had a great week. A fantastic week!

The people you need to talk to likely won't read anything here. Contact the TD Kenny at: moodgolf@msn.com

Does anyone have the name or a link for the company that was showing their new disc backpacks at the flymart? I wanted to check them out but forgot who they were.

Doubles are never rated. Semifinals or Finals get ratings if at least 5 propagators play a layout and it has at least 13 holes. So 'Yes' all semi rounds will be rated and no Finals.

Wil be able to view the ratings for the semifinal rounds? Thanks! kw

That's V-vus Maximus. Dang second round, pretty much cost him a push for a win.

Ron playing with a badly injured shoulder is the only reason that this division wasnt blown out by 30 strokes...that being said, was good to see V on the leader card. Ron THE VIKING Engebretson..Senior Grandmasters World Champ!!!!!! Victoria TEXAS!

Wil be able to view the ratings for the semifinal rounds? Thanks! kw
Nope. The unofficial process doesn't do ratings for semis. But you can look at the ratings for the same course in early rounds to get a good idea. You'll see the official ratings for all rounds including semis in a week.

Nope. The unofficial process doesn't do ratings for semis. But you can look at the ratings for the same course in early rounds to get a good idea. You'll see the official ratings for all rounds including semis in a week.

awesome...thanks.

Does anyone have the name or a link for the company that was showing their new disc backpacks at the flymart? I wanted to check them out but forgot who they were.

Here you go...it is just a pre-order site. There really isn't much on the site if I remember correctly. Here is a youtube video that Terry Miller did about the bag when they were all in Japan. It shows quite a bit about the bag...I ordered one, decided it was worth a try!


www.grip-equipment.net

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSbjWaZhJaM

The "Place" listings with the unofficial results are all jumbled up right now... but on a semi-related question: where (place) does a player officially finish when they qualify for the semis and don't play the semis or DNF? Do they place between the semi-finalists and the players that didn't make the cut, or do they 999 all the way to the bottom of all players?

How many sports do you know of with Pros that are just 15 years old?

Tennis - almost everyone of them
Disc Golf (Oscar Stenfelt and others)
Ball Golf - Michelle Wie, etc
Soccer - a couple I've heard about
minor league Baseball
Nascar/IRL
Skatebaording
Snowboarding
Skiiing
Figure Skating
Gymnastics
minor league hockey

Perhaps it should've read: How many sports don't have 15 year old pros??
NFL, NBA...???

How great it is to be a dad! If I could say anything, it would be for all you guys out there to spend time with your sons and daughters. Teach them to play disc golf, fish, or whatever you love doing together. Before you know it they go from 4 years old to 14 then 24. Dave

This is a very profound statement. Methinks I have a sense of why David has been such a well liked boy, and is becoming such a nice young man...

Congrats Sr.! (the disc golf related stuff is just a small bonus)

Tennis - almost everyone of them
Disc Golf (Oscar Stenfelt and others)
Ball Golf - Michelle Wie, etc
Soccer - a couple I've heard about
minor league Baseball
Nascar/IRL
Skatebaording
Snowboarding
Skiiing
Figure Skating
Gymnastics
minor league hockey

Perhaps it should've read: How many sports don't have 15 year old pros??
NFL, NBA...???


Thank you for getting this information up....Tiger was accused of being a bagger, the other analogy to remember is that real college athletes can not give up their amateur status, so some of these kids are playing for scholarships which are worth far more than any payday in disc golf currently that we give out.....

So the Am World Champions in the two divisions without age protection are a combined 30 years old. That is nuts.

Brad,

It was great seeing you at Worlds (albeit a short time) last week. We've only played a couple of rounds together way back in the day and they were always a good time. Too bad I never travel to Michigan to play golf anymore.

Thanks for the blurb about Grip and my video blog. I really hope this in depth discussion with all of these top pros, helps as a short infomercial for Justin's new product. It was a win-win which provided good exposure for both the newest bag as well as The Disc Golf Guy Video Blog Series. http://www.youtube.com/thediscgolfguy

The latest blog includes an in depth interview with the ever-so-amusing, Steve Dodge.

Lifetime Disc Sports will also be carrying these bags for any of you that are waiting.

- "Marshal Miller"



Here you go...it is just a pre-order site. There really isn't much on the site if I remember correctly. Here is a youtube video that Terry Miller did about the bag when they were all in Japan. It shows quite a bit about the bag...I ordered one, decided it was worth a try!


www.grip-equipment.net

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSbjWaZhJaM

where (place) does a player officially finish when they qualify for the semis and don't play the semis or DNF? Do they place between the semi-finalists and the players that didn't make the cut, or do they 999 all the way to the bottom of all players?
Players get the last place in the next group they progress to. If they made the cut out of 28 going into a semi final and don't play, they get 28th. If they make it into the final 4 and don't play, they get 4th.

I am posting this simply b/c I knew this would happen. I knew Dave was going to win this year and I knew people would talk crap about him doing it. Even though I am almost 27 and Dave just turned 15, I consider him a friend of mine. Taking the fact that I love that kid and his family to death out of it, read my comments below.

One of the greatest golfers ever to hit a golf ball is a guy by the name of Bobby Jones. Obviously someone who won 5 US Amatuer Championships, a British Amatuer Championship and 4 US Opens - not to mention a 13 place finish in the masters - is one amazing golfer.

Did I also mention he NEVER turned professional? In fact, he won 3 of 5 US Amatuer Championships AFTER winning his first US Open.

Let's compare this to disc golf.

Masters = World Championships (long running, professional only, prestigious life changing title)
US Open = USDGC
US Am Championship - Am Nationals

Joe Disc Golfer goes out and wins Am Nationals. The next year, Joe plays Am Nationals and wins again.

Joe is ready to now test his game with the big dogs at USDGC. He goes out and defeats the entire field to win the USDGC.

The next year, there's Joe back at Am Nationals. Surely the guy who just won USDGC is not here to play is he? But sure enough, he plays. And wins.

Now imagine the 5 time USDGC champ Joe STILL playing Am Nationals. And this guy has also finished 13th at pro worlds!!!

When you put in perspective our father sport's precident - and you can say all you want about us not being golf, we will ALWAYS be linked to that sport for obvious reasons - the fact that Dave "only" had a runner up at Am Worlds and an Am National title, this really is nothing close to anything to what we have seen.

Look no further than Tiger Woods winning 3 straight US Amateur titles. There wasn't all this crap about he's a bagger. People just played golf.

It is OBSURD for ANYONE, especially a 15 year FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL, to be forced to play professionally. It is a choice, NOT a requirement.

Congrats Dave. I hope you win 7 more Am World Titles all the way through college.

He did say in the interview immediately following the last putt on Saturday that he was turning Pro....

Right, but he has basically been playing pro full time since he was 13....playing pro and taking merch is a huge difference between playing pro and taking cash. He still techincally would be an amateur.

First of all let me say he can do whatever he wants, especially as the rules don't come anywhere near prohibiting him from playing am if he wants, and from a parental point of view it's very likely the best course of action possible so far, let him enjoy life before making him work for a living...but I do feel the need to play devils advocate and at least point out one thing I don't think anyone has yet...(plus we need to liven up this discussion board)
He could play pro, accept cash, and likely easily earn enough to pay for his college without having to worry about those scholarships etc. unless he's planning on going to Yale or med school ;) or is he 'really' good at some other sport too? college disc golf isn't an official ncaa sport and probably won't be anytime soon, plus the tour would offer better competition, so no need to worry about that aspect...

Thanks Billy. I was just about to dig thru the scorecards to see if we miss-entered your score as a 75. Glad you had a good time despite the higher score.Glad you saw the post before digging through all those cards...thanks, Chuck! Sorry I didn't call back later that day....we hit the road Saturday morning & went to play Idlewild (talk about a mother of a course!) & then one of the courses in Bowling Green before heading home to Texas. Again....a fine week of play & a great job by all!

It is OBSURD for ANYONE, especially a 15 year FRESHMAN IN HIGH SCHOOL, to be forced to play professionally. It is a choice, NOT a requirement.


While I agree with you that the criticism of a 15-year old not playing in the professional ranks is indeed absurd, what's equally so is that a 27-year old journalism major doesn't know how to spell "absurd." :D

While I agree with you that the criticism of a 15-year old not playing in the professional ranks is indeed absurd, what's equally so is that a 27-year old journalism major doesn't know how to spell "absurd." :D

I agree. Good thing I'm only 26. :D

I agree. Good thing I'm only 26. :D

What's that?!?! You mean they don't teach you spelling until you're 27? Journalism? Really? Geez...while I certainly think you possess enough passion for journalism, I haven't seen much display of the skills that should be required for journalism...spelling and grammar would seem to be pretty basic.

What's that?!?! You mean they don't teach you spelling until you're 27? Journalism? Really? Geez...while I certainly think you possess enough passion for journalism, I haven't seen much display of the skills that should be required for journalism...spelling and grammar would seem to be pretty basic.

It's a typo on a message board, not anything published.

Read things I've published and then get back to me.

It's a typo on a message board, not anything published.

Read things I've published and then get back to me.Does anyone remember learning how to spell before Spellcheck?

It's a typo on a message board, not anything published.

Read things I've published and then get back to me.

Ching takes these message boards seriously!

Anyone know where to get any leftover Worlds merch.? Looking for a couple of shirts and some discs. Thanks!

Any of your ridiculous complaints about the new Am Champion can be sent to me at oakhollowdgc.com Keep them off public threads. I'll be happy to challenge any of you knuckleheads on your "opinions" of this great kid and the AM/ PRO disc golf system.

I'm as proud of him as his father! I'll be dammed if I let you guys try to drag the boy down...

The only "cheating" going on is yourself. Worry about yourself, your game, and your practice regimin.

I don't know you, but I know him. If you would have beat him, he would have been the first to shake your hand with congratulations. Can you say the same? Time to quit cheating yourself, plain and simple...

You should know, the New Am World Champion, fears no one. No Am, No Pro. Him and his bag buddy Andrew are the most polite yungin's i know.

Let me see if I got this straight - there are some people berating a fifteen-year-old for playing as an Am? I don't care if his rating is 1100, anyone that is eligible to play in a Junior division should not get any legitimate criticism about staying in an Amateur div, IMNSHO.