Will there be a tournament at Lemon Lake before the WORLDS?

Also, I don't see a schedule for it, but is there still a possiblity of a PRO WORLDS DOUBLES popping up on the schedule in the future?

Pro World Doubles not likely. May 22-23 is the big A-tier at Lemon Lake before Worlds. They're also looking at hosting some local test events that may or may not be sanctioned as C-tiers to test each course with the proposed Worlds pin configurations.

That's the same date as the Masters Cup.

Thanks for the info, Chuck.

Cant wait for the details to start coming out!

It just dawned on me that I may have "special access" left over from the Worlds in 2009. so that I may typing in a forum that only a handful of people have access to, so I thought that I might be better served to post in here, so I am moving the thread from the top in the hopes that someone will be able to point us all in the right direction.
2/23/10-

What are some of the housing options that will be available for this event. if memory serves correct, there is not an abundance of hotels in the area (well within like 10-15 miles).

I heard that house rentals are available in the area, how do you get that list?
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3/1/10-
Given the overwhelming information that has poured in from my request over the last week, is there anywhere, or for that matter anyone that can direct me to a better site to get this information?

I am seriously trying to plan or determine if I am going to do this instead of or in conjunction with the Japan Open, but not being able to find out cost options is killing this idea for me, and I am sure I am not the only one.

Please help, I can't be alone out here wondering this. A quick google search, shows the PDGA and some press releases on the rest, but we are less than 6 months out now, and I would like to know what to plan for if possible.

http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=33345
or
http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=31742
that lead to
http://www.redrocdiscgolfclub.com/?p=3
But really gives nothing to start to planning the event. (Doesn't look like the front page has anything updated since 2/19/09)

Anyone? Buehler?

Seriously, please let me know. (As well as others-nothing seems to be in the threads about it as well) Or can someone point us all in the direction to get this information? I have also posted in their forum to see if I can post something that others may be planning!
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Anyone that can help it would be surely used by many!

Thanks,

Jack

Which Worlds Am or Pro? Am Worlds info was just posted in the last hour.
http://www.pdga.com/documents/am-worlds-hotel-guide

Pro Worlds will be posted on Monday, March 15th. The following is still unofficial but the Ramada in Merrillville, IN will sort of be the host hotel but no events will be held there. That's where the PDGA and other staff may be staying. Otherwise, find a place in Merrillville. There are one or two extended stay suites that may be recommended which will be cost effective for players. All evening events will either be in Merrillville near the hotel/motel area or at Lemon Lake near the courses.

Thanks Chuck,

I did mean Pro Worlds, I should have metioned that.

So Merrillville, not Crown Pointe, or Cedar Lake ( I see a lot of housing looks like to be condos on the lake when I drive in from Chicago). No idea where anything will be? Merrilville is about 20-30 minutes away, thats really going to be the closest?

Guess its closer than Highbridge though....unless you camp! ( I aint!)

Ok then, I'll not worry about a hotel then if there is not a central point, I hope that they don';t have any rooms that need to be kept then, so I won't be hurting them!

Thanks for the note!

Player Meeting, Fly Mart and PDGA Awards night will all be in banquet halls right in the middle of all the hotels and motels at the US30 & I-65 exit in Merrillville. Two nights with player parties will be at Lemon Lake near the courses. You could stay in a place at Cedar Lake or Crown Point if you find one to spilt the difference, but Merrillville and Lemon Lake is where everything will happen.

Cedar lake is super close as well though, so thanks. I may look up some old friends in the Chicago area and see what they say. It sux that no trains come into Crown point, or Merrillville from Chgo.....

Forcing to stay that far away with no real plans makes for a desolate tiem in my mind with so many other options so close.

At any rate, I have not played the new course yet, how does it compare to the "Gold", or are they just going with the Red, Blue, and Gold/Silver? I remember when I was there on the way to K-Zoo playing it and someone said they were working on another course. I am hopeful that it mirrors the new course, as the combined/split courses of the Red & Blue may be better served to join back up to create a good 18 hole course instead of just 2 ok courses....

Just wondering aloud here though. I always loved the journey south from Chgo to play the course back when it was 24, even when it took over 2 hours to drive there in traffic....URGH, that I don't miss!

The new White course is a short, technical layout. Here are the course maps: http://www.lakecountyparks.com/lemonlake.html

Most divisions will be playing the Gold (&/or Silver) course twice with tee times for a one round day and play the Red & Blue courses back-to-back on two days for a total of six prelim rounds. There have been upgrades on all courses with some still underway so no one has actually played the layouts intended for Worlds yet until the test events this spring.

THanks Chuck!

It just dawned on me that I may have "special access" left over from the Worlds in 2009. so that I may typing in a forum that only a handful of people have access to, so I thought that I might be better served to post in here, so I am moving the thread from the top in the hopes that someone will be able to point us all in the right direction.
2/23/10-

What are some of the housing options that will be available for this event. if memory serves correct, there is not an abundance of hotels in the area (well within like 10-15 miles).

I heard that house rentals are available in the area, how do you get that list?
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3/1/10-
Given the overwhelming information that has poured in from my request over the last week, is there anywhere, or for that matter anyone that can direct me to a better site to get this information?

I am seriously trying to plan or determine if I am going to do this instead of or in conjunction with the Japan Open, but not being able to find out cost options is killing this idea for me, and I am sure I am not the only one.

Please help, I can't be alone out here wondering this. A quick google search, shows the PDGA and some press releases on the rest, but we are less than 6 months out now, and I would like to know what to plan for if possible.

http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=33345
or
http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=31742
that lead to
http://www.redrocdiscgolfclub.com/?p=3
But really gives nothing to start to planning the event. (Doesn't look like the front page has anything updated since 2/19/09)

Anyone? Buehler?

Seriously, please let me know. (As well as others-nothing seems to be in the threads about it as well) Or can someone point us all in the direction to get this information? I have also posted in their forum to see if I can post something that others may be planning!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Anyone that can help it would be surely used by many!

Thanks,

Jack

This is what I posted on the http://www.redrocdiscgolfclub.com/forums/ (http://www.redrocdiscgolfclub.com) in response to jackinkc's questions. But after reading Chucks post the Merrillville area may be the best choice. It definitely has the most after round activity (for NW Indiana).

I am new to the area but I can give you a little insight.

So far, I have gotten to play one of the courses for the worlds. The layout is going to be awesome with all 4 courses in the same park.

I don't know what is available in the way of camping but there has got to be some with all the lakes in the area.

I am staying at the Residence Inn in Hammond, IN. There are three Marriott chain hotels (Residence, Fairfield, Comfort) there. You basically go 16 miles south to the courses.

The other major option is Merrillville, IN which is about 11-12 miles NE of the courses.

Just did a search and there is a Best Western maybe 8 miles and a Crestview Inn about 5 miles from the courses.

There are a lot of small hotels around the Crown Point/Cedar Lake area but they are probably booked pretty solid during the summer.

Just remember you are in NW Indiana farm country so things are a little spread out.

There are plenty of good bars and restaurants near these two areas.

There is a very active club and player group in the area. I am sure the TD's will be posting up some information soon.

Come on out and enjoy some NW Indiana disc golf.

Not meaning to be Mr. Obvious here - but if you're searching for housing do not be confused - the Pro Worlds are being held at Lemon Lake Park - named for the "small marsh area that had historically been called that" - in Northwest Indiana near the city of Crown Point and Cedar Lake.

There is, near Bloomington, Indiana, in beautiful Brown County, a different large body of water called "Lake Lemon" - where one can rent cabins, houses etc. This is quite far from worlds!!!

I know it's obvious to the locals - but a google search for "Lemon Lake rentals Indiana" will likely send you to the wrong spot!

Chuck

There are plenty of good bars and restaurants near these two areas.

This is the only bar (http://www.3floyds.com/) I intend to hit the entire week. Voted#1 brewery in the world! (http://www.ratebeer.com/Ratebeerbest/bestbrewers_012010.asp) :)
(http://www.ratebeer.com/Ratebeerbest/bestbrewers_012010.asp)

And closer to the course than anything posted Jeff.

It is a great bar. We hit it up on the way to K-Zoo (Bells is still better, but then thats MY alcoholic opinion of a liver that has sampled over a 1000 flavors of beer alone!)

Your liver may agree or disagree. Its about 5 miles from the course.

Thanks for the heads up on the "Other Lemon Lake"

This is the only bar (http://www.3floyds.com/) I intend to hit the entire week. Voted#1 brewery in the world! (http://www.ratebeer.com/Ratebeerbest/bestbrewers_012010.asp) :)
(http://www.ratebeer.com/Ratebeerbest/bestbrewers_012010.asp)

I hit 3 Floyds about once a week for whatever is brewing.;)

Just saw this thread...I'm on the Pro Worlds Team. Hit me up with any questions.

Are there any weekly rentals around Cedar lake?

Here's a link to the Extended Stay in Merrillville:
http://reservations.hotelguides.com/hotel/10006044-11271621O.html
There may be others in Merrillville also. Not sure where you would find out about weekly rentals in Cedar Lake except by driving by and seeing a sign or getting the local paper/ad flyer if they have one.

ESA in Merryville is cheaper by $25-$60 per DAY than all other options listed on the worlds signup form plus it has full kitchen - don't know how many are left, but don't wait and miss out if you want to stay at a reasonable price.

What do they cap the field at?

Can an Amateur register for the event after invited players sign up? I'm 942 and have Amateur PDGA status. Can I play if I'm willing to pay the $215?

Do I need to pay $75 for Pro status?

Has it ever filled up?

Thanks

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thanks!!

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YES!!!!! :)

I was at work and couldn't post, but that was what I was gonna do except I didn't know what the cap was with all the pool possibilites.

This is the information for all current Pro Worlds invitees.....

Courses

Four 18-hole courses on the same site at Lemon Lake will be used. Please review the included draft schedule to see which courses your division will play. Most divisions will play three or four courses totaling six rounds prior to the semi-finals. Most divisions will be playing the Gold and/or Silver sets of tees on the Lemon Lake Gold/Silver course with tee time starts on two of their four days of preliminary rounds before semis.

Lemon Lake Gold/Silver: This course has been designed to challenge the top players in the world. From the gold tees it measures 9500 feet with a par of 67. From the Silver tees, it measures 6400 feet with a par of 58. The course is carved through a mature oak forest with gradual elevation changes. It also features some spectacular ravines and tricky pin placements.

Lemon Lake Blue: This course is the most open of the group with 8 challenging wooded shots that feature a stream and elevation changes. Hole 10 (630 feet uphill, par 4) is this course’s signature hole that runs along the scenic wildlife sanctuary marsh. The course measures 7100 feet with a par of 59.

Lemon Lake Red: This course has the most variety of the bunch, from tight turns in the woods to long challenging par 4's. This course is a lengthened version of the original 18, established in 1999. Par is 58 with a length of 6300 feet.

Lemon Lake White: This is the shortest course of the group. It has tricky ravine holes, open meadows and shots through tight woods, and Hole 15 features "the bathtub shot". The max distance is 5400 feet. Its par is 54.

The Final 9 will be a combination of Blue and Red hybrid safari holes on the Lemon Lake courses. There will be a few temporary holes to link these two courses into a loop well suited for spectators and video coverage.

Parking

Lemon Lake normally charges $4 per day per carload to access all of the courses. However, we have made special arrangements with the county for Worlds entrants. Your registration fee includes free access to the Lemon Lake Flight Center and courses from Sunday, July 24th through Saturday, July 31st. A parking pass will be included in all entrants players packages. Competitors coming to practice before July 24th will pay the usual $4 per carload per day. The parking fee in not calculated per person.

Lodging

There are 20 hotel chains within a 1/2 block radius of the intersection of US 30 & I-65. Discounted lodging rates at Radisson Hotel at Star Plaza (Highly Recommended), Country Inn & Suites, and La Quinta Inn have been secured through the South Shore Convention and Visitors Authority. To access, simply www.southshorecva.com/housing and click on the PDGA banner or call 1-866-481-5253.

Camping

There is no camping allowed at Lemon Lake County Park. However, primitive camping is available at Stoney Run County Park located at 142nd and Union Street in Leroy, Indiana. There are only 8 sites. It is located 13.2 miles from Lemon Lake County Park. Call 219-769-PARK (7275) for more information. Reservations are STRONGLY recommended.

Travel

Those flying to Worlds will likely be heading to either O’Hare or Midway airports in Chicago. Drive time is about 90 minutes to Merrillville depending on time of day. Travel arrangements can be made through The South Shore Convention and Visitors Authority. Please contact them at www.southshorecva.com

Internet

In this age of the internet, you’ll be able to find much more information on Worlds related topics online at www.2010proworlds.com than is included in this letter. We know it’s important for many of our players to stay connected during the event. There is a internet cafe one half mile west of the park and wi-fi is available at McDonalds, Borders, and Barnes & Noble in Crown Point & Merrillville, all within 20 minutes of the park.

Event Finances

The base entry fee for all divisions this year is $210 for singles (includes a $10 admin fee). Mixed Doubles is the standard $50/team. Other field events will be at the usual rates of $20 each with EDGE at $10 and the optional Ace Pool is $5. The PDGA Awards Banquet buffet is $20. You can mail in your enclosed registration form or register online.

Watch the PW2010 website for details and pricing when these services become available. PW2010 merchandise is available now at discgolfflymart.com or contact TD Brian Cummings at [email protected]

Overall, we believe players will find this Worlds experience an excellent value. A world of lodging and food is less than 20 minutes away from the park in Merrillville making this a less stressful and cost-conscious Worlds experience. You’ll save additional travel dollars and time getting to attend the Pro World Championships in one location rather than traveling to many different courses through many different towns.

Sponsorship

Sponsorship opportunities ranging from tee signs at $100 each to $1500 for advertising on the Worlds DVD are listed on the PW2010 website. The Fly Mart tables will be $80 each or $130 for two. For more information please visit the website at www.2010proworlds.com or contact TD Brian Cummings at [email protected]

The 2010 PDGA Pro Worlds is also an inroad to more wide-reaching Corporate Sponsorships throughout the entire disc golf season. We have $1000 and $2500 Corporate Packages now available to help your company gain an effective marketing stronghold in one of the fastest growing sports in the nation. For more information on these packages, contact PDGA Marketing Director, Dr. John G. Duesler, Jr. at 215-913-0569 or [email protected] or contact TD Brian Cummings at [email protected]

Jay Svitko - PDGA #7307
Asst. TD - 2010 PDGA Pro Worlds
Club Administrator - Red Roc Disc Golf Club
PDGA Official
PDGA Marshal
All-around good guy
480-292-0257

"Hole 10 (630 feet uphill, par 4) is this course�s signature hole that runs along the scenic wildlife sanctuary marsh."

Will there be a mando on this one to protect the tee for #2(or whatever # that is)?

Thanks

Not really needed.

Chuck- Played the Blue again on Sunday. My tee shot landed on #2s pad. Lefty's were throwing over the pad. Other righty's also played to/near the pad.

It's not too late to set up World Doubles for all divisions. :)

Chuck- Played the Blue again on Sunday. My tee shot landed on #2s pad. Lefty's were throwing over the pad. Other righty's also played to/near the pad.

I'm pretty sure there will be an OB line between 2 & 10 and there may be a long tee on 10 before Worlds to be used by some divisions. Brian will test these out at the A-tier coming up if the TDs are OK with it.

The A-Tier at Lemon Lake is approaching fast.

Player Handbook can be found at the link below. You have to register a unser name and login to see attachments.

Online registration closes at 10:00PM on Thursday May 20th.
All mail in registrations must be received by Thursday May 20th.

http://discontinuum.org/index.php?op...71334#msg71334

When can we expect the registration list to be updated for Worlds?

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I believe Open filled up at Augusta in 2006, because I had a friend who couldn't get in and he wanted to play Pro Open.

A few Pro Worlds have eventually filled at the last minute but never before the time registration was opened up to everybody (which starts this week).

Camping

There is no camping allowed at Lemon Lake County Park. However, primitive camping is available at Stoney Run County Park located at 142nd and Union Street in Leroy, Indiana. There are only 8 sites. It is located 13.2 miles from Lemon Lake County Park. Call 219-769-PARK (7275) for more information. Reservations are STRONGLY recommended.

There is a private campground very near the course, but it is no alcohol, no tobacco, no illegal substances. You can PM me for details. The bathroom is nice and clean. Some sites have full hook-ups.

Jack (and others), I played the tournament in May and stayed at the Red Roof in Merrillville. It only took about 15 mins to get to the course from the hotel. I took 30 to 55 south right through downtown Crown Point, you have to go around the square and then take Court south and jog over to Cedar Lake Rd. It's pretty easy and there are several ways to get there if you miss something. Plus you go right by every place you would need in the morning like McDonald's or Walgreens. There are tons of restaurants in Merrillville. Also, Shererville works as well. There were a few hotels there, but they're hard to find online.

I'm in.
Extended Stay in Merrillville.
Look me up.
Peace!
KL

I'm in.
Extended Stay in Merrillville.
Look me up.
Peace!
KL

Same here!
I'll be sure to ask for a room at the other end of the complex, so you can't work me at night also :)

Booked on March 23rd for less than $60 per day including taxes!

Red Roof Inn there is nasty

forgive me if this has already been posted but, what is the closest airport to fly into?

Midway in Chicago would be the closest larger airport. It's probably an hour away from the courses and maybe 45-60 min from whatever hotel you decide upon.

There are closer ones, but they are not served by commercial airlines.

Are all the spots taken, and if not how much time do you think I have, my Job has gotten in the way of Am worlds, so I may be interested in pro

Pro should be open for registration up until a week before.

do you think that will be all divisions

Probably so since everyone will be playing the same set of courses. Division sizes are pretty flexible this year.

thanks chuck, this is darell in lex, my job bumped me from am worlds, so I'm going to try and make pro gm my job may still get in the way

Yeah, Darrell. Sorry you couldn't make it. Just removed your leader card from the board a few hours ago. Maybe see you at Pro Worlds if you can make it.

I like the new changes to Gold. Its nice to have the landing zone cleaned out on 5. Moving hole 7 to 9's old basket location is nice as well. 9s new spot is nice as well. 18 has been cleaned out BIGTIME, that makes a huge difference.

Good work, Lemon Lake.

Looks like there were a change or two to Blue as well, but we didn't get a chance to see em.

Played Blue and Red on July 3.
Red Roc Disc Golf Club and everyone else working on the course have done a tremendous job. Kudos to all involved.

Looking forward to see this place filled with players!

Deadline for Pro Worlds registration is Friday, July 16th next week. Lots of big shooters not shown as registered yet meaning there could be opportunities for new winners if they aren't entering. Gentry hasn't updated the site though during Am Worlds so they may already be in and we can't see them yet.

The Gold course map on the website is a very small JPEG. Anywhere of getting a larger map of the gold course?

Gold course map update is in the works...courses are all in the worlds configurations and final tweaks and cleaning are in the works. The gold course is almost 2 years old and is still a young course. We've done an amazing amount of work to get it where it's at and the work is ongoing....the parks department hired 3 local disc golfers to work on the courses 30 hours a week....any players with questions please contact me for faster answers...

[email protected]

call or text

219-765-6114


Bart Zandstra

Have extra baskets on some of the holes been removed or covered so players know which to throw to? I think there were a couple of holes like this on the blue and red courses when we played last weekend.

Thanks.

courses are looking great


decided to stay in Schereville


looking forward to the event

The registration information indicates that parking is covered during Worlds. Will we be on a list at the entrance shack? or are we going to be sent passes in the mail? What days can we start using the "park entry included" feature.

Im heading out on a road trip in a few days that will eventually land me in Worlds, so just wondering on the procedure for parking..

Thanks.

Cpt Fidget

The registration information indicates that parking is covered during Worlds. Will we be on a list at the entrance shack? or are we going to be sent passes in the mail? What days can we start using the "park entry included" feature.

Im heading out on a road trip in a few days that will eventually land me in Worlds, so just wondering on the procedure for parking..

Thanks.

Cpt FidgetYou might want to look up a few posts to ChannelZ's contact information, and ask him the question. He's involved. He knows or can find out your answers.

$10 processing fee? OWCH.

REGISTRATION DEADLINE IS THIS FRIDAY, JULY 16th

The registration information indicates that parking is covered during Worlds. Will we be on a list at the entrance shack? or are we going to be sent passes in the mail? What days can we start using the "park entry included" feature.
The Park pass will be valid for Sunday thru Saturday of Worlds week. You can pick up your pass at the guard shack starting Sat, July 24th.

For tournament players, the practice rate prior to Sunday, July 25th will be $4/day per person or $30/year annual pass with no daily car fee.

Wish I could make it this year- Indiana was my original disc golf stomping grounds - cut my teeth at the old KOA course in Peru from 1978-82, and I attended the only other WDGC (Pro) in Indiana, 1996 in South Bend (where, coincidently, that may have been where I met you!).

Tell Brian Cummings hello and congratulations for me.

I imagine that this WDGC should be a similar experience to Highbridge up in WI - all the courses are together, in a rural area. Let me know if I am mistaken.

Much less rural, much less elevation, much better amenities.

We're getting a late rush of entrants as usual. There's a hard cap this year at 304 entrants unless you're a woman over 59 or man over 69. We added 41 more than you see posted online now by 3:30 today, getting to 249 with only 55 slots left. Don't miss out. Register now.

Is Lemon Lake run by the Army Corps of Engineers? If so, I'll bring my pass to get in for free.

Nope. It's a Lake County Park.

Are the courses cart friendly?

Yes. There are foot bridges all thru the courses, especially the Gold/Silver where there are several ravines.

Registration for the 2010 PDGA Pro Disc Golf World Championship closes today and there are quite a number of high profile players who have not yet registered.

Indeed. I hope they get themselves registered, because I cannot imagine a Pro Worlds without the likes of Anthon, Brinster, Ulibarri, Geoff Bennett, etc.

Are the courses cart friendly?

I used mine with absolutely no problems.

Pro Worlds has capped out for all divisions except the MPG/MPS pool and Legends. A few late registering players are now on waitlist in other divisions.

Are players at this year's pro worlds required to take the rules proficiency exam? I haven't played in an NT this year so I haven't bothered to do it yet. Is this something I need to take care of before I leave?

Also, I assume the collared shirt dress code will be in effect. I have taken a liking to the dry-fit material (over cotton) and most of my shirts in that material don't have what I would imagine is an acceptable collar, although they are still nice looking. Is there a written definition of what is considered acceptable?

Thanks.

Also, I assume the collared shirt dress code will be in effect. I have taken a liking to the dry-fit material (over cotton) and most of my shirts in that material don't have what I would imagine is an acceptable collar, although they are still nice looking. Is there a written definition of what is considered acceptable?

Thanks.There is no written definition of what is acceptable but there is a rambling and self-contradictory passage in the Competition Manual about the topic:

A. All competitors and staff are required to wear a shirt.
B. All competitors and staff are required to wear shoes or other foot coverings. Players will not be allowed to play in bare feet. Sandals or slides are allowed.
C. The following dress code for all competitors will be enforced at all PDGA National Tour and Major Events. The PDGA also recommends that this dress code be enforced at Super Tour and lower tier events, but this decision lies solely with the Tournament Director:
(1) All players in PDGA sanctioned competition and tournament staff are expected to dress appropriately and to maintain a clean and well-groomed appearance at all event sites and associated functions.

(2) All players must wear a shirt covering their upper chest area. A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down, mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable.

Women are also allowed to wear sleeveless shirts as designated above.

(3) No tee shirts will be allowed, except for competitors in the Junior and Amateur divisions during preliminary rounds only. Juniors and Amateurs shall not wear tee shirts during semifinal or final rounds. Crew neck or V-neck shirts made of high-performance or high-tech materials, such as Dry-Fit, Cool-Max, and others will be allowed.

(4) Shirts that hang down lower than the bottom hemline on the player�s shorts shall be tucked in.

(5) No ripped shirts, shorts, pants will be allowed on the course. This includes unhemmed, torn or cut �vents� at the shirt collar.

(6) No offensive, profane, or obscene slogans or logos shall be allowed on any clothing. Junior players may not wear slogans or logos referring to alcohol or tobacco.

(7) This dress code will be in effect from start to finish at each event, including all tournament rounds.

(8) Players who do not make a cut, but wish to remain on site through the duration of the tournament, will be considered spectators and will not be required to conform to the Tour�s dress code.

Bear in mind that most t-shirts have a crew neck, and most crew necks are found on t-shirts, but a collarless sweat shirt might have a crew neck also.

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Collarless, dry fit t-shirts are OK but they need to have sleeves. Apparently, some apparel makers are now doing these Ts in sleeveless for men and those are not OK.

Thanks for the replies. What about the rules test?

No rules test for Worlds but it's not a bad idea to take it just to brush up on the rules. The reason for not requiring a rules test for Worlds, at least this year, is they haven't translated the test into other languages for our International attendees (like Derek.... ;))

I recommend that you bring a copy of the rules book with you. Last year it cost me a stroke or two (DOH!). Throw a provisional if you are in doubt (DOH!).

Hey Chucker...Snap and I are flying in tomorrow afternoon. We should get together. Send me an email.

cheers, DD

From the Post Tribune, based in Gary Indiana: (http://www.post-trib.com/sports/2517124,rec-disc-world-0721.article)

Lemon Lake to host disc golf world tournament

July 21, 2010

BY NEAL BOYER, POST-TRIBUNE CORRESPONDENT

CEDAR LAKE -- Imagine Lake County hosting a PGA tournament. Now think bigger. How about a major, like the U.S. Open, drawing top pros from around the globe?

Northwest Indiana will make history next week as host of the 2010 Pro Disc Golf World Championships.

Lemon Lake County Park's four 18-hole disc courses will challenge top players from 10 countries. Veteran disc golf player/promoter and Indiana Disc Golf Hall of Fame member Brian Cummings of Munster is tournament director.

Cummings, Lemon Lake pro, said disc golf is the "fastest growing recreational sport in the nation, very popular among the Facebook generation."

Disc golf allows low-impact exercise for all ages and skill levels. It requires physical dexterity and mental strategy. An offshoot of the Frisbee craze, it began with folks flinging Frisbees at targets like trash cans, trees, pipes and light poles.

Disc golf now uses special discs of harder plastic made for various results, like different clubs in golf. Players aim for disc pole "holes' of chains and a basket to catch discs. The object is to complete each hole in the fewest throws.

The Professional Disc Golf Association runs the event. There are more than 2,500 disc golf courses in the U.S. Hammond has two courses, though Riverside Park is closed for levee work. Munster, Valparaiso and Michigan City each has a course as do many Chicago suburbs.
Some 300 pros from throughout America and the world will compete July 27-31 with semifinals the morning of Saturday, July 31, and finals that afternoon. They're throwing for a share of the $8,000 purse -- entry fee is $210.

Cummings said top the top local players include Dave Rosenbalm of Portage, Bart Zandstra of Highland, Dave Shaw of Hammond, Matt Marquis of Valparaiso, Buddy Lee of Homewood, Ill., and Al Hermosilo of Blue Island, Ill.

Defending men's and women's open champions are siblings Avery and Valarie Jenkins. Avery also is reigning doubles champ. The Ohio natives live in California. His longest throw is 695 feet and he's made 100-plus aces.

Par for holes is 3, 4 or 5 and fewest throws wins. Like golf, disc golf stresses driving, approaches and putts. Avery says "the drive sets up everything else that follows. A solid approach game is the difference between pars and bogeys. The putt is everything in Disc Golf ... because it can really make the difference between winning and losing."

David Feldberg of Portland, Ore., has regained the form that led to his 2008 World Championship in Michigan and Player of the Year honors. Nikko Locastro of St. Louis posted a dramatic playoff win over Feldberg at the Japan Open last month; he's 2009 POY. Both have won $20,000 this year.

Never rule out 12-time world champ Ken Climo, 42, of Clearwater, Fla. He's won twice on the 2010 National Tour.

Valarie Jenkins is a big favorite to capture her fourth successive women's open world championship having recovered from an early season knee injury. She's finished 1-2 in 11 of 12 events this season (six wins). Other contenders include Des Reading, Carrie Berlogar, Liz Carr and Liz Lopez.

Rookie sensation Paige Pierce of Plano, Texas, has made top-10 in all of her six pro events. She was third at last year's amateur world championships.

Up to eight champions will be crowned Saturday in divisions based on age, sex and skill. For details, call the Lake County Parks at 769-7275 or visit www.pdga.com (http://www.pdga.com) or www.2010proworlds.com (http://www.2010proworlds.com) .

$8,000 purse. LOL. Finally, a pro-scam tournament! :D

Hey everybody, this is Jeff LaGrassa, your Pro Worlds 2010 Scoring Director, with my first report from the event. While there are going to be Twitter, Facebook, Flickr photo galleries and PDGA Media updates throughout the week, I'm going to try to provide blog-style posts & additional updates to try to help "tell the story" of Pro Worlds 2010 for all those in the disc golf world watching from afar.

I flew into Chicago yesterday and arrived in the afternoon and had a WHALE of a time getting my car rental - you may remember that I got into a car accident at Am Worlds 2002 in Miami and because of that I am no longer able to rent from National car rental. Well, unbeknownst to me, Alamo has since merged with National so when I showed up at the Alamo car rental to pick up my car, it turns out that I am still on the "Do Not Rent" list. :mad: So after walking all of my luggage up the street to Avis, I was able to procure a car but it took me some 2+ hours to get to Indiana - I had to drive through some FIERCE thunderstorms and heavy rush hour traffic. It poured at least 2-4" in most areas of Illinois and Indiana and caused some very heavy localized flooding.

After a good night's sleep, I showed up at Lemon Lake this morning and as I'm driving in I once again get that "giddy" Worlds feeling - I see Dr. Rick teeing off on one hole, Peter Shive teeing off on another, and Jeremy Koling and Jim Myers in the parking lot. Because of all the rain and standing water, I actually splashed Jerm as I rolled into the parking lot - I felt so bad I had to go over an apologize. :o I decide to check out the Blue Heron course, and after a few holes by myself I catch up to Suzette "Discette" Simons and the father of Innova plastic, Dave Dunipace, and they graciously allow me to play along with them - what an awesome way to experience a Pro Worlds course! :cool:

Playing with Dave is such a good learning experience - he is more than willing to provide commentary on the hole design, his suggested throwing route, and helpful constructive criticism of my disc choice and delivery. I've been playing this sport since 1995 and I was still jotting down notes left and right. :) To be honest, I wasn't very keen on the Blue course - nearly every hole had something just a tad 'off' with the design which distracted me from the natural beauty of the land. Each hole seemed to either be blind from the tee, have a lot of "plinko" trees making for a high luck factor, have some egregious safety hazards, or be exactly the 'wrong' distance to provide a proper scoring spread for most divisions. Hole#2 is a prime example of a safety hazard - it practically encourages a righty hyzer shot out over the entrance road that everyone drives into the park on! And at 415 feet, it is a hole that very few will deuce, and most competitors will take 'auto' scores of 3 on. While hole#6 is a nice pro par four of 630 feet, it plays right along a county road and I actually turned my drive over and right across said road and took a circle 5. :mad: Hole#7 would be very straightforward except for some USDGC-style rope on the left side; my roller didn't stand up and I ended up OB on my drive for the second hole in row. :( And at 370', it's just not a distance that is going to yield deuces. Hole#9 is visually appealing, but just doesn't have any defined route to the basket - Dave and Suzette and I must have spent 15+ minutes debating over how best to throw the hole. Hole#10 is advertised as the signature hole and it's a nice looking pro par four along the lake but I thought that its interference with hole#2 and a picnic pavilion to be egregious; and other than a few gorilla-armed Open competitors I just don't see many golfers being able to score a birdie three here and most competitors will be walking away with a four.

Down into the woods, holes#11 and 12 offer some prime deuce opportunities if your accuracy is good. Hole#13 may be the best par 3 on the course - it's blind, but only about 220' straight up a hill into an open area. Hole#14 was my favorite on the course, but that may have been biased because I scored a birdie 3 on this 550' pro par four hole. Teeing from the top of a hill, you throw across a creek valley to a landing area amongst sparse mature trees. From there, it's a longish approach 45 degrees to the right through the scattered trees. My drive landed near the base of a tree but I 'stand-n-delivered' a RHBH roller to within putting range which I cashed for the birdie. :cool: After a long walk to hole#15, which is 375' and will surely produce 3s around the board for almost every division, you once again enter the woods to finish this track. Hole#16 is a gentle left-to-right turning shot of 185 feet and a bonafide par 2 hole. Seriously, if you don't deuce this hole, especially in the Open division, then you probably shouldn't be competing in a Pro Worlds competition, imo. I'd be willing to bet this one gets aced during competition, possibly multiple times. After the 17th, another 'pooch' hole of about 200', hole#18 is actually a very nice finishing hole at 390'. With a score of 57, I think I shot par with holes #6, 10, and 14 being pro far holes, but skilled competitors during Pro Worlds 2010 should expect much better with scores in the low 50s and probably even high 40s.

That's it for tonight. Tomorrow, we'll have the Mixed Doubles playing Red Hawk in the morning and Blue Heron in the afternoon and I'll try to get the scores posted as soon as I can. After playing what is supposedly considered the most open course, I'm looking forward to testing out the other courses which are reportedly far more technical. Having spoken with a few competitors in the afternoon today, the general consensus seems to be that this is going to be a Worlds where accuracy and golf acumen reigns over the ability to throw for pure distance. Isn't that what a World Championship title is supposed to be about? :)

Jeff, while you (and Dave and Suzette) might think the holes mentioned will not have good scoring spread, all hole pin settings for Worlds have been tested in competition and have good to great scoring spread for Open players. Blue holes 2, 7, 10 & 15 that you mentioned have appropriate scoring spreads. While 16 & 17 are birdie holes, 30-40% of Open players are expected to take 3s or higher. The Blue course has been around for more than 3 years with the known interference issues mentioned. But the players, TD and Park staff have seen few problems and haven't been moved to resolve them.

$8,000 purse. LOL. Finally, a pro-scam tournament! :D

That has to be some kind of typo, right?

There's a 3-way tie for the lead in Mixed Doubles after round 1! The Japanese team of Mayu Nonaka & Manabu Kajiyama, the Readings, and Feldberg / King are all tied after the 1st round with 47 playing best shot on the Lemon Lake Red Hawk course.

Results here: (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9554&year=2010&include_ratings=0#Open)

Our first World Champions have been crowned!

Congratulations to Melody King and Dave Feldberg who are our 2010 PDGA Professional Worlds Mixed Doubles Champions!

Shooting a blistering 47 of alternate shot in the second round on the Lemon Lake Blue Heron course, they pulled away from the pack to win by a comfortable 4-stroke margin.

Full results here. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9554#Open)

Jeff,

Thanks for the updates. I know exactly the "giddy" feeling I get when I pull into the first course I practice on before the Worlds starts.

I also really enjoy the Players' Meeting, when everybody is gathered together, and I notice a curious thing, all my old friends are aging more rapidly than I!

On the Sunday before Worlds, we all awoke to much better weather - it was far less humid and a strong breeze actually began blowing by mid-morning, making putts just a tad trickier for the Mixed Doubles competitors. For everyone else, it was perfect day to figure out the nuances of the courses, and judging by the crowd swells, the gang is all nearly here. The courses are in tip top shape - I've never seen a parks department with a full staff be on hand the entire weekend before a Worlds like the Lemon Lake crew, and they've attended to every little detail with enthusiasm.

I was hoping to play the Gold course today, but the workload in getting scorecards set up for 308 competitors only allowed me time for a quick lap around the White Deer course. This par 54 track will only be used by the Master Women, Grandmaster Women and the Legends, but it's a fun little pitch-n-putt with a number of memorable holes. After several open holes to start the course, holes# 5-7 play over some ravines and through some very tight woods. At only 155'-175' they are the kind of holes that can be parked with a putter and deuces are to be expected, but they are visually appealing and just downright fun to play. A stretch of open holes mowed through high grass follow. These holes aren't any longer than 300 feet but there's a lot of trouble in the high grass if your drive is errant, and while looking for one, a twosome caught up to me who ended up being Troy and Kenny (discgolfer82) from Youtube fame! These guys have quite a few ace runs on Youtube and it was very cool playing the rest of the course with them. :cool: After some holes around the back of a ball field, you enter the woods once again. The famous "bathtub" hole is a gas to throw, and the downhill 17th is a nice slow left-to-right turning shot.

Again, there's nothing extraordinary about the course but it's a perfect outlet at the Lemon Lake Flight Center for recreational players and those who don't want to play some of the grueling challenges found on the other courses. It's also going to serve as a very useful course to separate the wheat from the chaff in the divisions playing it during competition this week. About the only minor nitpick I have with this course is the long pin position on hole#1, which plays over and next to the main park road and parking lot that hundreds use to get back to the baseball fields. Maybe this position won't be a problem during the week, but on a busy Sunday afternoon, it just seemed like quite an egregious and unnecessary safety hazard.

Tomorrow is the last day for players to practice the courses and then after field events and a quick player's meeting we'll be ready to rock and roll. Look for the PDGA Media site to go active in the next 2 days where there will be Flickr photo galleries, a Twitter feed, videos, blog-style posts, and much much more. You'll want to keep checking back here throughout the week to follow the story of Pro Worlds 2010 as it is being written!

Hey all. If you have a good camera be sure to take some pictures and submit to our DiscGolfer magazine. The new editor, Randy Signor is on site and can help you coordinate your pictures with the feature story.

Of course email me here ([email protected]) and I'll send you some info too.

Thanks and have a great week.

I don't think the road holes at Lemon Lake are the big safety issue that Jeff does. The park roads do not have that much traffic on them, and you can see the cars coming and going from the tee. Most players just wait. Traffic patterns are probably different during pre-Worlds practice days, with more players coming and going through out the day, especially if there were baseball games that day. Not so much baseball Tuesday-Friday.

It takes a really bad throw to get out to the county road. That hole rarely has a head wind and there is plenty of room for lefties and forehand throwers to keep their throw in bounds. If they are playing the fence line as the o.b. line, there is also a buffer space between the o.b. line and the road.

As to most pro players not being able to reach a 415 hole, was Jeff playing his round in the 1980s? :D Isn't 2 wide open on the hyzer route over the road, a grip-it-rip-it hole? I would think the big arms would be reaching it no problem if the wind is not blowing from the south. I think that will probably be a good hole for separating out the top players from the very good players. Better they be separated out for their athleticism than for their luck in the woods.

I think 7 will yield a lot more deuces than Jeff suspects. I deuced it with a nice turn over drive once. I'm not a long thrower, just long for the divisions I bag in. :p 7 is another hole that will separate the wheat from the weeds. Likewise, 15, down hill with no obstacles to a righty hyzer will be deuced frequently by Open and Pro Masters. Players like Marcus and Avery will like 2, 7 and 15.

OK, time for the next batch of results.... and predictions (from those without inside knowledge)

Distance? Henry Childres.... if he hasn't worn his arm out practicing... no 360 needed.

Putting? My long shot... Devan Owen.

SkillShot? Jeremy Koling

Mini Golf? Stevie "born with a mini in my mouth" Rico

Where are they doing the distance? asks the man too lazy too look it up for himself.

top of the Sears Tower.

Is there going to be a stream of coverage, other than text?

And I�ll take Nikko for the win.

The weather for the Field Events couldn't be more perfect today - sunny, in the low 80s, and no humidity. I haven't received any results yet but will get them up as soon as I can.

I was able to play the Gold course this morning and OMIGOSH! This is instantly one of the top 20 courses I've played lifetime out of more than 200+ over the last 15 years. It just makes perfect use of the woods, fields, and ravines in that section of the park. It's a true Gold course where holes are long, but accuracy and placement are at a premium, and the rough is punishing if you stray. The care and manicuring that has gone into this course is amazing at times - holes like Steve O's 4th hole look like something from a golf country club or someone's backyard garden. The design reminded me a lot of portions of Tyler State Park in Pennsylvania, the Bear course up at Highbridge, WI and Patapsco State Park in Maryland. I was ecstatic to score a birdie 3 on the pro par 4 fifth and seventh holes which both play out of the woods and then across a field. I took a bogey 6 on the 1150' pro par 5 eighth hole and a bogey 5 on the pro par 4 eleventh hole and parred out to shoot a round of par 66, which I was very happy with. Pro Worlds caliber players who are much better golfers than me will surely shoot in the high 50s on this course, and with an SSA of about 62, I think we could even see some scores of 54 or below. With a world class challenge and the sheer beauty of the woods, I have no doubt that this Gold/Silver course is going to be many competitor's favorite at Pro Worlds 2010, and should also be the pivotal course which decides many World Champion titles.

Will the distance results/payout be posted online? I wish there was a way to post them on the same page as the tournament results...

Anyone know if it is being streamed anywhere?

Updates are unsat..

top of the Sears Tower.

Don't you mean the Willis Tower? :mad:

First Round scores for Masters, Grandmasters, & Senior Grandmasters are up!!!!

Anyone know if it is being streamed anywhere?

Updates are unsat..

Joshuwaa? haha!

yeah, no.

Apparently Avery Jenkins hit a 175 foot approach to score an eagle 2 on the 510' dogleg left pro par four 3rd hole on the Gold course! :eek:

Man, John Brooks is way better to listen to on the videos than John Duesler's droning voice. Good call on the switch there. Can't wait to see more update videos.

Will the distance results/payout be posted online?

They have been posted on the 2010 PDGA Professional World Championships Media Page. (http://www.pdga.com/pw2010)

distance:
will schusterick 534 feet
avery & mcbeth 532.5 feet

paige pierce 403 feet !

mini golf:
rico
melody king

doubles:
feldberg/m.king

putting
1.josh anthon
2.yeti

1. Val



wish i was there, come on brinster, it's your time!

This afternoon, Legends competitor Bill Du Vall aced the 150' hole#5 on White Deer and Grandmaster Tim Keith aced the 220' hole#13 on the Blue Heron course! :cool:

Wednesday Round 3 tee times for those playing the Silver / Gold course have been posted: PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9551)

Joshuwaa? haha!

yeah, no.

:brah

LETS GO BOYS!!!! We want a fresh winner from this worlds. Super bummed the FriZZaks can't be there this year.

Watch live scoring this afternoon on PDGA.com (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9551) as we bring the top 4 Open competitors playing the wooded Red Hawk course. Follow along as Paul Ulibarri, Nikko Locastro, Adam Olsen and John Fowler tackle the twists and turns of this challenging par 58 track.

Paul Dorries Shoots a 44 besting the field for round 2. Great job keep it up!

Watch live scoring this afternoon on PDGA.com (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9551) as we bring the top 4 Open competitors playing the wooded Red Hawk course. Follow along as Paul Ulibarri, Nikko Locastro, Adam Olsen and John Fowler tackle the twists and turns of this challenging par 58 track.

F'n Fowler!!!!!!

Nate Doss has a hot start going this round, 2,2,2,3,2, to move up to second. Live scoring is covering the top 8

Anyone know if it is being streamed anywhere?



Barring last-minute technology issues, I'll be there Thursday night to stream the PDGA Awards and HOF ceremony live in HD (for Free), and will also see what I can do for Friday and Saturday depending on several factors.
It might get onto the PDGA site too, but anything I'm doing will for sure be found streaming on www.DiscGolf365.com
However you do need a fast computer and good internet signal to get the highest quality stream from it..otherwise be warned it will appear grainy, choppy, and maybe even cut you in and out from it. A good test is if you can watch a 10-minute youtube video without it pausing to buffer then you're fine for the DiscGolf365 stream :)

LET'S GO NIKKO, LET's GO NIKKO!

FYI, a strong thunderstorm has temporarily halted play.

I was wondering what was going on. Big test here...lets see who passes the test after a pause mid round. Pretty much anything can happen, especially some grumbling if someone comes back with bad play/

After a severe weather delay of approximately 90 minutes, play has (finally) resumed on the Red, Blue & Gold courses.

Josh Anthon shoots an unofficially 1088 rated round of 44 on the Red Hawk course to jump from the 9th card to the lead card! :eek:

In the interview with Matt Orum, he said the best putter would win this tournament. Look at the top 5, all exceptional putters.

Thursday Round 4 tee times for those playing the Silver / Gold course have been posted:

PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9551)

LET'S GO NIKKO, LET's GO NIKKO!Do you know anything about Nikko's 2 on the 550 foot hole 8 today?

C'mon Yeti.....I'm rootin for ya. Good Luck from TEXAS!!!:)

So what's up with Sarah Stanhope today? Shooting that hot, Im sure there's something interesting to be said about it.

This morning Masters division competitor Mitch McClellan aced the 255' hole#5 on the Red Hawk course! :cool:

MitchMac! :D

I'm guessing her great round is partially due to FPO playing on a more wooded course today but unsure as I've never been to Lemon Lake. She has always excelled at those tournaments like the Vibram Open, La Vie en Rose, and similar as we have mostly wooded courses here in Upstate SC.

what happened to Lavone wolfe in grandmasters? injury??

Is the live scoring working for anyone? The lead card was supposed to tee-off half an hour ago, and I have yet to see any updates.

Is the live scoring working for anyone? The lead card was supposed to tee-off half an hour ago, and I have yet to see any updates.
Same here. i was just about to type the same thing.

Sarah Stanhope shot an unofficially 1010-rated round of 50 (9 under par 59) on the Silver course, a round which featured 8 deuces, including a stretch of 4 in a row! :eek:

Entering the round trailing by 3, Sarah now leads the Open Women division by a whopping 5 strokes! :cool:

Im sorry, but this coverage of this event is Terrible (for the lack of a better word.) Its one of the top two major events of this sport and we cant even get live scoring. Didnt they have live Coverage last year of the lead card?
There is no story about the open men, and how they played yesterday, just scores. Is anyone else getting frustrated with the lack of info. they are giving out? Or am i the only one.

Hell if we didnt have Jeff_LaG we wouldnt know about anything going on. Supposedly the course is absolutely phenomenal looking, but you dont get to see it.

Im sorry, but this coverage of this event is Terrible (for the lack of a better word.) Its one of the top two major events of this sport and we cant even get live scoring. Didnt they have live Coverage last year of the lead card?
There is no story about the open men, and how they played yesterday, just scores. Is anyone else getting frustrated with the lack of info. they are giving out? Or am i the only one.

I'm right there with you. Super fustrated.

Hell if we didnt have Jeff_LaG we wouldnt know about anything going on. Supposedly the course is absolutely phenomenal looking, but you dont get to see it.

Thanks for the kudos, but with the 2010 Pro Worlds Daily Updates on YouTube (http://www.pdga.com/videos/2010-pro-worlds-daily-update-day-4) and the Pro Worlds Media Page (http://www.pdga.com/pw2010), which includes photo galleries (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pdga/collections/72157624434610925/), live photos, videos (http://www.pdga.com/videos/pw2010), Live Scoring (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/live.php?TournID=9551), and Live Comments from the Proworlds Twitter account (http://twitter.com/proworlds), I don't really see how anyone can claim that there is a lack of information. But maybe that's just me. :confused:

The live scoring is a joke....2 hours after the lead card teed off and they are only through 5 holes? and have been that way for at least a half an hour?

The live pictures on the media page are still from tuesday, the very brief one sentence descriptions of whats going on are 3 hours behind. Although the 5 minute video clip from yesterday is finally up...so i guess you got that going for you.

Very disappointing indeed

So is there a backup for the lead card, rain storm, giant rat attacking the course? Just curious why the live scoring hasn't updated in nearly 30 minutes.

If you are so unhappy with the marketing and the PDGA in general, then please, don't renew next year.

I guess he needs to add "and the paucity of decent media coverage of the org's supposedly flagship event" to the boldfaced section above.

what happened to Lavone wolfe in grandmasters? injury??
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what happened to Lavone wolfe in grandmasters? injury??

I called and spoke with Lavone last night after seeing he had DNF'd. Yup, it's injury. Sounds to me (based on personal experience) like torn ligaments in his shoulder. He tried playing thru the pain for a while, but it only got worse so he (wisely) called it a day.

Most unfortunate. But if you know Verne, you know this won't keep him from enjoying his time at the Worlds.

Chain Gang!

I think they spent more of the money on the DVD that they are making, instead of doing more features when the event is happening. They'd been talking about that at the last couple board meetings.

I called and spoke with Lavone last night after seeing he had DNF'd. Yup, it's injury. Sounds to me (based on personal experience) like torn ligaments in his shoulder. He tried playing thru the pain for a while, but it only got worse so he (wisely) called it a day.


No that's a W/D! Why can our sport not show a difference between someone withdrawing due to injury or something like that as opposed to someone just quitting? It's embarassing for someone to look at scores and be like "oh why did Lavone quit?" when a simple change in scores being reported - say 888 - could simply show everyone that he withdrew as opposed to quitting.

I put this in every TD report I submit that there is a difference but we, as TD's, have no way of showing that difference.

If the DVD is anything like the Daily Updates I am definitely buying. Looks very well done..
I would have liked the option to watch "live" on-line but after the Memorial coverage that I bought I would have treaded lightly. Crazy is doing great! I will prefer quality over quantity any day...The Memorial coverage was dreadful....
C

the pro worlds twitter has little to no info. if you want the goods go here----> http://twitter.com/willMehls

What happened to the live pics and twitter like the rest of the NTs

Why can our sport not show a difference between someone withdrawing due to injury or something like that as opposed to someone just quitting? It's embarassing for someone to look at scores and be like "oh why did Lavone quit?" when a simple change in scores being reported - say 888 - could simply show everyone that he withdrew as opposed to quitting.

I agree with your sentiment, but how would you "police" that? All the Quitter would have to do is say "My arm (wrist/back/you-know-what) hurts!" Sadly, I think it all comes down to the player's reputation...is he a competitive player or a petulant playa? One thing I do know: Lavone's no quitter.

Thanks for the kudos, but with the 2010 Pro Worlds Daily Updates on YouTube (http://www.pdga.com/videos/2010-pro-worlds-daily-update-day-4) and the Pro Worlds Media Page (http://www.pdga.com/pw2010), which includes photo galleries (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pdga/collections/72157624434610925/), live photos, videos (http://www.pdga.com/videos/pw2010), Live Scoring (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/live.php?TournID=9551), and Live Comments from the Proworlds Twitter account (http://twitter.com/proworlds), I don't really see how anyone can claim that there is a lack of information. But maybe that's just me. :confused:

I get what you are saying Jeff, however, I seem to have a problem with the fact that the lead card finished roughly an hour ago, however, the online scoring still shows 12 groups still out. This means, more than likely, the group teeing at 12, which started an hour and a half before the lead card, finished 2 and a half hours ago. Personally, I care way more about how my friends on those cards shot more so than I do who is winning.

This should be updated every 15 minutes or so IMHO, like it is done on this site during USDGC.

I understand this is the worlds and there are probably 10 - 20 players for every volunteer, but I consider this exactly what is wrong with out sport. How can we expect to grow when we limit ourselves with things we can control.

And I will say this is in NO way against any volunteers. In the three worlds I've played, I've been amazed at the amount of people who give up a week just so me and others can have fun. However, as I've always said, if people didn't voice up with things that bothered them, we would all still be British.

Haha of course as soon as I posted that, all the scores are up! I love my timing sometimes!

Thanks for getting them up staff! Still a bit late with most of the cards, but glad to see them now!

Friday Round 6 tee times for those Masters, Grandmasters, and Senior Grandmasters playing the Gold course have been posted:

PDGA Professional Disc Golf World Championships (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9551)

I will say that I appreciate the daily video updates on the PDGA website, but I would like to see more coverage of the close battles that seem to be going in every division. Paul and Nikko in Open, Sarah and Des in WPO, Brad, Mike and Patrick in MPO and the other close battles that are going on. More video coverage of them actually playing would be great. Based on those battles this has been an exciting one to follow.

What time does the 2nd rd tee off for Paul, NIkko, Nate and Dave?

1:30 cdt

Way to go Stanhope shooting a hot 1010 rated round yesterday!!! Go get em girl!

while I think Feldberg is gonna end up taking this down, gotta give props to Paul McBeth- guy hasn't played a tournament in almost 5 months and is still near the top, beating a lot of guys who have been practicing tons and playing tournaments every weekend.


someone convince him that disc golf >>>baseball please!

thank you for ther info on lavonne.

looks like Anthon just took the lead after round 5. with Paul and Dave tied one stroke back.

Don't forget Sideshow Nemesis

Josh and Dave just killed the course! Those are two killer rounds at the most important time of the tourney. Will be interesting to see what people on the 3rd and 4th cards did also.

Go Ulli! Go Sprout!

WOW

Des takes the lead. Bring this home girl! All of Texas and Iowa are rooting for you!

WOW

Des takes the lead. Bring this home girl! All of Texas and Iowa are rooting for you!

WOW

Sarah takes the lead. Bring this home girl! All of South Carolina and North Carolina are rooting for you!

Live Scoring (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9551) will be done this afternoon for the lead Open Women card and the top 2 Open cards. Click here! (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=9551)

What course are the Women's Open playing today?

.. not that it really matters, 'Super' Stanhope is bringing the first-ever World's title home to South Kakalak!

Don't forget Sideshow Nemesis

Nikko is falling back a little this round. i wonder how pi$$ed he is right now?

he's probably going to go from handstands to backflips if he keeps blowing it. :-) I am still sticking with my prediction of either Doss or Nikko even though the Borg is making a strong bid.

Paul Ulibarri is straight balling this year. he will not go away. stoked on that kid!!

Live Scoring for the top 8 players thru 7 to 8 holes in perhaps the most important round of the week in our world championships and for a total of 60 holes played there is one score of "4" and they're playing a Par 57 course.

this is drive and putt golf. what happened to the notion of approach shots being an integral part of determining who the best player is?

this seems to happen year after year. i know i'll get creamed for my opinion but that's okay. world championship courses should have LEGITIMATE pars where a score of a few under par is a good score. they should have LOTS of scoring variety / separation. they should be courses with Pars of AT LEAST 63 (so half the holes minimum are not Par 3's).

the danger here is that i'm going to react in a knee-jerk fashion. i will be making some final decisions tomorrow for the layout for the last 2010 NT event at Blue Mountain and my "fury" over this love for courses with pars in the 50's and almost all par 3's might just send me over the deep design end. maybe i could come up with a Par 87 layout with 15 Par 5's and 3 Par 3's.

when 59 out of the first 60 reported scores are 2's and 3's i think we're playing small.

thank the good baby jesus for the USDGC Par 68 layout. Thank You Harold !!

dandoyle
warwick, ny

Is the Live scoring wrong?? According to willmehls twitter anthon shot a 22 on the front and is tied with Uli.

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right when scores are -50 under there is a problem. sounds like another pitch and putt worlds. i know these guys are good but it seems like every year worlds is based off putting

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right when scores are -50 under there is a problem. sounds like another pitch and putt worlds. i know these guys are good but it seems like every year worlds is based off puttingWow. I came this close -> | | <- to getting drawn into a "what is par" debate. :D Must not type any more ...

the layout used to determine who advances to the semifinals has 15 par 3 holes and 3 par 4 holes. what is the rationale for only 3 Par 4's and zero Par 5's?

the layout used to determine who advances to the semifinals has 15 par 3 holes and 3 par 4 holes. what is the rationale for only 3 Par 4's and zero Par 5's?

Well if you like they couldve flipped the course order and had MPO play the par 66 in Round 6 ...

But to answer your main question ... its about the land and the facility (4 courses in 1 very COOL park!) that is available to the sport for free ... (as in we dont own the land)

Plus the leaders are shooting THE LIGHTS OUT in Round 6, cant see anyone outside of the top 8 as of a few hours ago busting into the top 5 ...

Plus putting, presuming you are a world class putter, is pretty easy compared to ball golf ...

Charlotte in 2012 on Stan McDaniel courses should make your dream come true Dan

Or maybe you can bid on PW?

Wow if McCabe gets a 2 on hole 1 he shoots 42, could be close to an 1100 round in Worlds ... when he needs it most ... amazing

Cheers, BDH

E-Mac is making a run....shoot'em up tomorrow buddy....

Nice round E-mac! Way to take it out on the course!

The Mid west assasin jsut dropped a 42 on it!! that is HoTT

Sarah Stanhope is working on bringing a world title to the Carolinas as well. good stuff.

Dan - food for thought, in more than 200 rounds no Master or Grandmaster shot better than 48 on the course McCabe just crushed with a 42 ... cant be that much of a pitch and putt track ... except for the world's finest ...

McCabe finishes with 8 birds in a row to jump from 6th to teebox on the lead card including the only 2 on 18 which 3 of the top 8 bogeyed ...

Steve Rico shot an unofficially 1088-rated round of 41 on the Blue Heron course, setting a new course record! :eek:

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right when scores are -50 under there is a problem. sounds like another pitch and putt worlds. i know these guys are good but it seems like every year worlds is based off putting

Just because people are shooting under 54 doesn't mean anything is different. If you had 6 rounds on Winthrop Gold I bet the leaders would be around -50.

Last year Nikko was -34 at USDGC but you never read people complaining. However if he shoots -9 a round and it's 45 he is averaging, OH MY GOD END OF THE WORLD. But if it's 59 and -9, this is awesome!

The problem is simple. Disc Golf is easy.

Charlotte in 2012 on Stan McDaniel courses should make your dream come true Dan



But people will complain about the woods. And the winner will still shoot about -9 a round.

the layout used to determine who advances to the semifinals has 15 par 3 holes and 3 par 4 holes. what is the rationale for only 3 Par 4's and zero Par 5's?

Its a smaller course the Red and Blue used to be a singel course 27 holes, they made it 36 a few years back, and added the other 2 courses. I played the gold course it is definitely better then the other 2, but then again everyone is playing good golf on the same course. Its tough when these folks get to come in and tear up courses. I am still in awe of Matty-O's 45 (1086)at Cliff Drive last year and Avery's 53 (1077). AVERY beat Josh by 10 strokes in the rain, and Matty-O had a perfect round ruined by a 5 on the first hole. Those guys crush a course after they practice it a few times and it appears as though there is not a lot that we can do to diminish the number they put up. We could adjust par to mirror the scores from the top pro's....but then the argument of should there be a par 2 in our sport gets generated again......

Its hard to imagine, but I think that the courses presented a fairly even spread across the top with this many people in the top division still in contention, and the Women's is not answered yet, the older divisions seem to have the favorite ran off with it early, but some of those folks should go find real jobs and let someone else get a chance for awhile, they should listen to Michael Feldman more! 8^)

Just sorry that I missed it.

Its a smaller course the Red and Blue used to be a singel course 27 holes, they made it 36 a few years back, and added the other 2 courses. I played the gold course it is definitely better then the other 2, but then again everyone is playing good golf on the same course. Its tough when these folks get to come in and tear up courses. I am still in awe of Matty-O's 45 (1086)at Cliff Drive last year and Avery's 53 (1077). AVERY beat Josh by 10 strokes in the rain, and Matty-O had a perfect round ruined by a 5 on the first hole. Those guys crush a course after they practice it a few times and it appears as though there is not a lot that we can do to diminish the number they put up. We could adjust par to mirror the scores from the top pro's....but then the argument of should there be a par 2 in our sport gets generated again......

Its hard to imagine, but I think that the courses presented a fairly even spread across the top with this many people in the top division still in contention, and the Women's is not answered yet, the older divisions seem to have the favorite ran off with it early, but some of those folks should go find real jobs and let someone else get a chance for awhile, they should listen to Michael Feldman more! 8^)

Just sorry that I missed it.

I still think Coda's 55 was just as good.....Avery wasn't playing in the rain as much as some...especially when your threesome is stuck right behind 4 Sr. GMs on a 10,000ft course.

Matty-O's 45 was SICK especially considering he double bogeyed the last hole.


It's going to be fun to watch how this all shakes out.

I agree with some of the earlier posts that it is silly to have -50 or more after 5 rounds or so.

Ball golf's US Open was won--after four rounds--at only a few strokes under par.

Keep it the same layout, just change par. Even if that means par 2s, which seems silly, but if that's what a majority of pros are shooting on a hole, maybe it is closer to a par 2 than a par 3.

Ideally courses would be altered and allow <10% of the top players to shoot 4-6 strokes under par, leaving most folks to struggle for par, and lots well above par.

At least it's not as bad as the -100 (or so?) a few years back. That makes disc golf look like a game for fools.

Go Doss!
Steve

when 59 out of the first 60 reported scores are 2's and 3's i think we're playing small.

Thank the good baby jesus for the usdgc par 68 layout. Thank you harold !!

Dandoyle
warwick, ny

sweet baby jesus!!!

I agree with some of the earlier posts that it is silly to have -50 or more after 5 rounds or so.
Go Doss!
SteveI'll wade in this far: They are calling par on red and blue something like 56 or 57, and they are using a much larger par value on Gold. If the amount under par was a concern, they could choose to use lower par values. The PDGA has not used lower par values because they have been devoted to the concept that a birdie 2 should be puttable after a really good drive, or a birdie 3 after two good drives. And, they are abhorrent to par 2s.

If one were to redefine par in the manner of the US Open, "Par is what the top pros score," you would have fewer players under par. To do that, some holes would have to be defined as par 2.

I agree with some of the earlier posts that it is silly to have -50 or more after 5 rounds or so.

Ball golf's US Open was won--after four rounds--at only a few strokes under par.

Keep it the same layout, just change par. Even if that means par 2s, which seems silly, but if that's what a majority of pros are shooting on a hole, maybe it is closer to a par 2 than a par 3.

Ideally courses would be altered and allow <10% of the top players to shoot 4-6 strokes under par, leaving most folks to struggle for par, and lots well above par.

At least it's not as bad as the -100 (or so?) a few years back. That makes disc golf look like a game for fools.

Go Doss!
Steve

Folks,

Putting is much easier in disc golf than ball golf, statistically about 25% easier, using Chuck's around the green stats. That is the reason for the difference in the number under par for disc golfers and ball golfers. That and we don't have to deal as much with the effects of terrain and lie on the disc (as opposed to a golf ball sitting in deep rough). Trouble shots are easier in disc golf.

I think we need to get rid of this idea that -59 is somehow an unacceptable score under par. We're not traditional golf. We're different. We can't and shouldn't use the same standards. Perhaps we should just get used to the idea that par is easier to achieve in disc golf than in traditional golf.

And honestly, par is really unimportant in the overall scheme of things. A 42 is still a 42 whether or not it's -4, -12 or -15 (nice shooting, E-Mac!).

Let's just rejoice that this is perhaps the most competitive Open division we've ever seen at Worlds. 9 people within 6 shots going into the semis, 3 tied for the lead, two more players 3 back or less. That's incredible. Sarah has a bigger lead in the Pro Women's division, but I don't think 6 or 8 shots ahead of Des and Val are necessarily safe. Hammock leads Mose by only 2. Hos only is up by 4. Whatever par is, we've got probably the most competitive Worlds I've even seen. Kudos to Brian and the Lemon Lake crew for providing an exciting and extremely close competition.

i don't have as much of an issue with score relative to par as i do with the fact that on today's layout there were only 3 holes that weren't drive and putt par 3 holes. it's kind of like the disc golf version of an executive ball golf course.

brian's comment about 4 courses in one cool park is certainly an important factor. lack of mulitple bids for pro worlds also hampers options for longer courses.

the 150 to 300 foot approach shot should be an important element of an all-around competition that determines a world champion.

what sort of layouts will be used for the semi's and finals?

But people will complain about the woods. And the winner will still shoot about -9 a round.

true that.

imo if worlds is going to be 4 courses one should be par 54, 2 63 or so, and one 68 or so.

true that.

imo if worlds is going to be 4 courses one should be par 54, 2 63 or so, and one 68 or so.

Ideally that would be the best scenario. However, pro worlds has never and will never have the courses as the priority when selecting the location. It's about who can host all those players and all that staff on top of a club who is saying "yeah, I'll step up and raise 20,000 for a purse instead of running am worlds when we can make 10,000"

Of course the courses are part of a decision and if two clubs had identical proposals for the amenities, I think it's safe to assume the better courses would be the final factor. Or at least I would hope that would be.

I just don't get why people complain SO much about EVERYTHING at worlds. And when it's not about the courses, it's always something else. I remember in 2007 in Wisconsin we had 3 courses in open - a Par 59 (with two undeuceable par "3s"), a par 60 (with 3 undeuceable par "3s") and a par 67 (I think) (with 1 undeucable par "3s") and guess what the complaining was about? Nope, it wasn't about the courses, it was about how the courses were in the middle of no where. It was about the par's not being correct. It was about having to pay to practice. It never ends.........

Our sport has some really good talent but until that talent stops complaining about every single thing that doesn't suit them to their exact need, guess what, you will still be playing for 5,000 over and over and over and over again instead of 20 and 30,000.

i don't have as much of an issue with score relative to par as i do with the fact that on today's layout there were only 3 holes that weren't drive and putt par 3 holes. it's kind of like the disc golf version of an executive ball golf course.

brian's comment about 4 courses in one cool park is certainly an important factor. lack of mulitple bids for pro worlds also hampers options for longer courses.

the 150 to 300 foot approach shot should be an important element of an all-around competition that determines a world champion.

what sort of layouts will be used for the semi's and finals?

The important factor is that very few towns/clubs even bid on Worlds, and there also aren't that many par-63 type courses out there. Our sport has been based on par-54 golf for a long, long time, and courses are only now starting to incorporate par 4s and 5s. Most courses simply can't be "retrofitted" into par-63 courses because they probably already occupy the maximum amount of land available to them.

Honestly, I think most par 4s and 5s are EASIER birdies for top pros than many par 3s. That's because it's tough to make a good par 4 that isn't based purely on length. And even then, if the pros are accurate with their length it makes par 4s really easy.

Let's maybe put it this way. What town has a good par-54 course, two par-63 courses, and a par 68 course, that also has the staff, community, and wherewithall to run a Worlds? Dan, you're a talented TD, could you run this in the Skylands area? :)

Charlotte may have a better answer for some of you in 2012. Of course, they may run into the same problem that we did running a combined Worlds. It's extremely difficult to run 10-12 courses and set up all up in a way that works for multiple skill levels. I'll be interested to see what happens when the first draft schedule comes out.

Charlotte may have a better answer for some of you in 2012.

I do think that Charlotte will be a great worlds, but trust me, all you are going to hear is people complaining about playing in the woods. Reading the touring players comments on Facebook and Twitter during the Carolina Clash NT on the same courses was nothing but complaining about how unfair those courses were.

I do think that Charlotte will be a great worlds, but trust me, all you are going to hear is people complaining about playing in the woods. Reading the touring players comments on Facebook and Twitter during the Carolina Clash NT on the same courses was nothing but complaining about how unfair those courses were.

Well, no matter what you do, you're gonna have some complaints. That's just human nature. I got to Renny Gold last year, and I enjoyed it. Yeah, there were a couple of those wooded holes that I thought could have been a little bit fairer, but only a couple, and overall I was extremely impressed. I remember Hornet's Nest from 1997 as being a tough, fair test. Charlotte should be fun. I hope to make it there for that one.

Who gives a crap with what par is?! It doesn't really matter, lowest score wins. By the time the results go official, the par numbers won't even be listed. These guys are shooting lights out!!! Looks to me like they deserve to be -50 under par!

Obviously they have been saying the best putter is going to win this world's, but last years was not the same. Look at Avery, he is GREAT at driving, and very good at putting, but this year, the guys winning are very good at driving, and GREAT at putting.

Look at Avery, he is GREAT at driving, and very good at putting, but this year, the guys winning are very good at driving, and GREAT at putting.

So are you saying that driving is more important and should be looked on as a more favorable skill in our game?

And it's not like it was all driving and no putting. He did beat Anthon, probably the best putter in the world, in a playoff.

It's going to happen no matter what. Courses are going to cater to certain strengths, there is no avoiding it. Plain and simple, no matter the course, if you throw it down the fairway and make your putts, you are going to shoot good.

there is an amazing quantity of golfers this year averging over 1000 rating,s.
that doesnt say the courses are overly easy.
that may say that many people have prepared for this style of golf.
i personaly dont understand why a hole cant have more than 1 par rating.
when i'mplaying with a newbee i often tell them that a 4 should be considered par for them at this time, wher i'm expected to get a three most of the time with an occasional 2.

novice/rec par 65
intermediate/advanced par 54
pro par 45
then you have ladies and old people.

Tee times this afternoon?

Looks like a weather delay this morning so it may push back Finals tee times. Finals start just before Noon with divisions that didn't have a semi round followed by those who had a semi at 10 minute spacing from Noon to the FPO at around 12:40 and MPO around 2:00 so the women have time to mostly finish. The three safari holes for MPO include Red 1 to Red 13, Red 14 to Blue 3 and Blue 4 to Blue 6.

fyi......contrary to the article produced for friday's worlds coverage, steve rico has already made the final 4 at a world championship, I can vouch for 2004 where it was Kenny C,Barry S,Brian S, and Steve Rico....just saying, no big deal

McCabe now with the outright lead.

GO EMAC!!!

Can someone please ask the person running live scoring to fix the course layout. It's showing the default layout with everythig par 3. Thanks!

Can someone please ask the person running live scoring to fix the course layout. It's showing the default layout with everythig par 3. Thanks!After yesterday's moaning, they decided to play the default layout where everything IS par 3. :)

Are you serious? I didn't think you could change par after it's been set? Especially at a Worlds! Another thing, someone mentioned the pdga spent money on producing the dvd instead of putting on live coverage. Why go backwards to an old technology that may be obsolete in a few years as opposed to going with what I think will be the future of video media, online coverage? They were pretty proud of it at the USDGC and Memorial! And I was happy to be watching at home!

So are you saying that driving is more important and should be looked on as a more favorable skill in our game?



Not at all. I posted that because somebody said, "looks like another pitch and putt worlds"
I was just simply saying, last year was not a pitch and putt worlds.

Come on ERIC!

What a battle! My head is spinning!

I hate the playoff to get into the finals. There SHOULD be a 5 player final 9, especially since it is still so close. Give both guys a chance to win the thing

I hate the playoff to get into the finals. There SHOULD be a 5 player final 9, especially since it is still so close. Give both guys a chance to win the thing

2nd!

I hate the playoff to get into the finals. There SHOULD be a 5 player final 9, especially since it is still so close. Give both guys a chance to win the thing

3rd!!!

Why is it showing Uli and Borg tied? Thought at the end Paul had him by one, hope there wasn't a scoring issue.

Is anyone else having problems getting the live scoring thing to load?

Is anyone else having problems getting the live scoring thing to load?

Im not but its only showing Eric Dave and Paul as playing the final 9? What time will the finals start after the rain delay this morning? Wish I was there or at least watching live!

its showing Josh as the 4th now

its showing Josh as the 4th now

He and Nate played off. They both birdied the first hole and Josh birdied the second to take it.

Still raining? Sometimes you just gotta play in the rain.

Wow, is that an ace in the Grand Masters final nine?

Oops, I guess not. Score changed to 2.

They should absolutely play in the rain. This is the world championships, a world champ should be able to dominate rain or shine. Make em play!

Hmm, back to 1 again.

Looks like Tim is on a mission!

Hole in one for Tim Keith?

Apparently Grandmaster Tim Keith just aced the 375' hole#3 (regular Blue#15) on the Final 9! He now trails Hosfeld by only 3 throws! :eek:

with the pattern of birdies in the other divisions, i don't see anyone catchN Eric. these holes look more like a victory lap

with the pattern of birdies in the other divisions, i don't see anyone catchN Eric. these holes look more like a victory lap

Plenty of golf left to play. Anyones ball game! Besides, how could you count out the likes of the borg, or the kid, or THUGGY FRESH! Payout is posted on the results page.

Brad Hammock looks like he might go "nine down" for the Final Nine. Or par, depending on whether you're o.k. with par 2 holes! :D

Lets get ready to rumble!

Looks like the Open Pros are playing a different course than everyone else, so their scores are not necessarily indicative of what the Open Pros will shoot.

Might have spoken too early in Masters final.

brad hammock looks like he might go "nine down" for the final nine. Or par, depending on whether you're o.k. With par 2 holes! :d

jinx!!!

Congratulations to 2010 Pro Worlds Senior Legends Champion Don Dillon!

Congratulations to 2010 Pro Worlds Legends Champion Jerry Robbins Sr!

Congratulations to 2010 Pro Worlds Grandmaster Women Champion Kathy Hardyman!

Congratulations to 2010 Pro Worlds Master Women Champion Barrett White!

Come On MOSER!!

Congratulations to 2010 Pro Worlds Senior Grandmaster Champion Dr. Rick Voakes!

Congratulations to 2010 Pro Worlds Grandmaster Champion Gregg Hosfeld!

Congratulations to 2010 Pro Worlds Master Champion Brad Hammock!

just REALized they are playn a dif layout

Congratulations to 2010 Pro Worlds Open Women Champion Sarah Stanhope!

is there a twitter account we can follow, or any kind of uptodate action other than live scoring with no comentary?

And can you please post the correct scores. They have changed several times!

super frustrating! worst live scoring ever.

I hate the playoff to get into the finals. There SHOULD be a 5 player final 9, especially since it is still so close. Give both guys a chance to win the thing

i disagree... what if it were a 5 way tie for 4th- should 8 people make the final?

here you go omegaputt at least this random fan is on the ball. http://twitter.com/willMehls

yeah this inaccurate live scoring is driving me crazy

Still raining? Sometimes you just gotta play in the rain.

was it just rain or was it thunder and lightning? imo if it were just rain there should have been no delay. why should it be different from any other event?

i disagree... what if it were a 5 way tie for 4th- should 8 people make the final?

best tie breaker scenarios

2 way tie = 5 person finals
3 way tie = ro cham beau
4 way tie = Shin kicking
5 way tie = draw straws
6 way tie = Biggest Shoe size goes
7 way tie = Raffle
8 way tie = hot dog eating contest
9 way tie = Yo Mama Jokes

best tie breaker scenarios

2 way tie = 5 person finals
3 way tie = ro cham beau
4 way tie = Shin kicking
5 way tie = draw straws
6 way tie = Biggest Shoe size goes
7 way tie = Raffle
8 way tie = hot dog eating contest
9 way tie = Yo Mama Jokes

9 way tie= winner gets to take over the live scoring position! Thanks alot guys!

Born2Lose,

Thanks,

I knew there had to be something!

I Figured the pdga officials would have something going, besides late live scoring!

yeah this inaccurate live scoring is driving me crazy

I know! It is pretty bad when you have to follow some person's Twitter account to get updates for the final nine of the World Championships.

Looks like they fixed live scoring.

Live scoring seems to be working fine here. Emac bu 3 over Uli and Borg and by 4 over Thug Nasty.

best tie breaker scenarios

2 way tie = 5 person finals
3 way tie = ro cham beau
4 way tie = Shin kicking
5 way tie = draw straws
6 way tie = Biggest Shoe size goes
7 way tie = Raffle
8 way tie = hot dog eating contest
9 way tie = Yo Mama Jokes
10 way tie = essay contest, Becky Zalleck to judge
and you might have to be from Iowa to get that.

Ulibarri just hit a sick 80 foot putt from inside an evergreen tree to card a birdie 4 on the monster 1000' pro par 5 hole! :eek:

This was just posted on that Twitter account.

Uli now leads Feldberg by 1 for 2nd!

one random dude with a blackberry puts out more timely info than the ORG- what a crock.
(let the defensive ORG posts begin...)

First defensive org post:

It's still mostly a volunteer org. He's a volunteer.

Posted on the Twitter account: Macabe leads by 3 going into the final hole!!!

This should be a priority, PDGALive twittering throw by throw.... Beaver State Fling twittering was the best ever done by the PDGALive account, should hire the guys who did that one for all major tournaments....

The Sprout is now a full grown Redwood. Very very nice win Eric!!!

one random dude with a blackberry puts out more timely info than the ORG- what a crock.
(let the defensive ORG posts begin...)

No defense here, there's no excuse for this, thank goodness for the twitterer ...

Often live scoring has shot by shot commentary below the scores, why not NOW???

Good Job Eric! And thank you twitter guy for all of your up to the minute coverage of this fine event. It was greatly appreciated!

The PDGA should probably just do the live scoring through a Twitter account next year.

Congratulations to 2010 Pro Worlds Open Champion Eric McCabe!

Final scores please!!!!!!!