PDGA suspended players list

Is there a viewable list online somewhere? I've been told that a local 15+ year PDGA member and disc golf promoter has been blackballed from the PDGA.

It's under the PDGA HQ drop down menu
http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/Disciplinary-Actions-Current-111609.pdf

Thanks Chuck. Looks like i was misinformed. He is suspended, not blackballed. I was surprised to see some of the other names in the 11/16/09 update.

What does "unapproved course alteration" mean? Are TD's not supposed to alter the design for events?

Not sure about this actual case, but if a course owner like a Park Dept objected to something a PDGA TD or member did with the course like limbing trees or cutting them down, it could fall in this area.

May Blake Huffman stay on this list forever - he financially killed the OKC disc golf scene for many years

May Blake Huffman stay on this list forever - he financially killed the OKC disc golf scene for many years
We have a scene? ill look for it and get back to you..:)

"Unapproved course alteration" usually refers to what we call around our parts as "midnight landscaping" - that tree limb getting in the way of your drive? A little midnight landscaping will take care of that. It is something that a former World Champion has been sanctioned for.

"Unapproved course alteration" OR "Hamster Trimming" lol

"Unapproved course alteration" usually refers to what we call around our parts as "midnight landscaping" - that tree limb getting in the way of your drive? A little midnight landscaping will take care of that. It is something that a former World Champion has been sanctioned for.
Hate that. There was a guy that worked at Highbridge in summer 06 with me that pulled that BS.

Hate that. There was a guy that worked at Highbridge in summer 06 with me that pulled that BS.


Don't forget that the same guy kicked over and destroyed a monument at 2006 Worlds in front of a gallery. Don't know if he got a sanction for that, but it could have been called "Un-Zen Disc Golf and the art of Miniature World Champions".

Don't forget that the same guy kicked over and destroyed a monument at 2006 Worlds in front of a gallery. Don't know if he got a sanction for that, but it could have been called "Un-Zen Disc Golf and the art of Miniature World Champions".
We're clearly not talking about the same person. Believe me.

"Unapproved course alteration" usually refers to what we call around our parts as "midnight landscaping" - that tree limb getting in the way of your drive? A little midnight landscaping will take care of that. It is something that a former World Champion has been sanctioned for.


Don't forget that the same guy kicked over and destroyed a monument at 2006 Worlds in front of a gallery. Don't know if he got a sanction for that, but it could have been called "Un-Zen Disc Golf and the art of Miniature World Champions course maintenance". Buddha takes a roundhouse kick. BAM






Chris, excuse my non-mastery of technology. This should make much more sense now!

Don't forget that the same guy kicked over and destroyed a monument at 2006 Worlds in front of a gallery. Don't know if he got a sanction for that, but it could have been called "Un-Zen Disc Golf and the art of Miniature World Champions course maintenance". Buddha takes a roundhouse kick. BAM






Chris, excuse my non-mastery of technology. This should make much more sense now!


I don't think anything was done about that tantrum episode. Probably the most blatant case of non-enforcement of the rules in recent memory.

We're clearly not talking about the same person. Believe me.

brad got in trouble for midnight landscaping at redan years ago. you are not talking about the same person but the same behavior.

I don't think anything was done about that tantrum episode. Probably the most blatant case of non-enforcement of the rules in recent memory.
That's because it wasn't reported by the players. Actions are taken higher up by the PDGA only when players make the initial violation calls and the incident gets officially reported by TDs. It's still mostly a self-officiated sport relying on the players to make the observations and calls. I believe he did get the first ever "tournament warning" for this.

That's because it wasn't reported by the players. Actions are taken higher up by the PDGA only when players make the initial violation calls and the incident gets officially reported by TDs. It's still mostly a self-officiated sport relying on the players to make the observations and calls. I believe he did get the first ever "tournament warning" for this.

Should have gave the tournament warning to the spiritual monument that the physical assault was coming. Maybe some devine intervention would have ocurred at that point?

Don't forget that the same guy kicked over and destroyed a monument at 2006 Worlds in front of a gallery. Don't know if he got a sanction for that, but ....

Wow - simply amazing how a little pile of rocks that players stacked on a raised sewer cover becomes a "monument" on this message board. Also, it was not in front of a gallery, but in front of the other Masters players that were nearby on the course at the time. FYI, he was warned for the name calling, not for knocking over a pile of rocks on a manhole cover.

I don't think anything was done about that tantrum episode. Probably the most blatant case of non-enforcement of the rules in recent memory.


nah. at bg ams you were not even required to hole out. another monumental discussion right here.

Wow - simply amazing how a little pile of rocks that players stacked on a raised sewer cover becomes a "monument" on this message board. Also, it was not in front of a gallery, but in front of the other Masters players that were nearby on the course at the time. FYI, he was warned for the name calling, not for knocking over a pile of rocks on a manhole cover.

So that excuses it?

I don't think anything was done about that tantrum episode. Probably the most blatant case of non-enforcement of the rules in recent memory.


August - your statement is irresponsible, incorrect, and flat out WRONG. I would suggest you refrain from making nonsensical statements about subjects you know nothing about.

Didn't this guy post in this thread above?

http://www.columbusdiscgolf.com/images/Woj.jpg

http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/Disciplinary-Actions-Current-01142010.pdf

Look at the date of his post and the date of his suspension.

Look at the date of his post and the date of his suspension.

Not what I meant.

It's about time the PDGA has gotten involved with this individual.

Didn't this guy post in this thread above?


http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/Disciplinary-Actions-Current-01142010.pdf

You may be confusing two completely separate entities.

The PDGA Disciplinary List (http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/Disciplinary-Actions-Current-01142010.pdf), at the link you provided, covers those who are suspended from PDGA-sanctioned tournament play.

The Message Board Disciplinary List (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=30702) covers those who have broken PDGA DISCussion Board rules. (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/faq.php#board_policy)

Those who are suspended from PDGA tournament play can still post on the DISCussion Board, and those who are suspended from the message board can still compete in PDGA-sanctioned tournaments.

what constitutes "unsportsmanlike behavior"?

You may be confusing two completely separate entities.

The PDGA Disciplinary List (http://www.pdga.com/files/documents/Disciplinary-Actions-Current-01142010.pdf), at the link you provided, covers those who are suspended from PDGA-sanctioned tournament play.

The Message Board Disciplinary List (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=30702) covers those who have broken PDGA DISCussion Board rules. (http://www.pdga.com/discussion/faq.php#board_policy)

Those who are suspended from PDGA tournament play can still post on the DISCussion Board, and those who are suspended from the message board can still compete in PDGA-sanctioned tournaments.

Again I don't care about posting on the messageboard. I find it ironic he finds himself in disciplinary action now. Shame shame.

what constitutes "unsportsmanlike behavior"?
Got into a fight after a tournament - idiotic mistake in judgement, and something I'm ashamed of.

Again I don't care about posting on the messageboard. I find it ironic he finds himself in disciplinary action now. Shame shame.
Definitely ashamed. I can't wait to make certain we have a civil conversation. Face to face.

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Can anyone explain to me how satirically repurposing a quote from one of the most beloved Supreme Court Justices in US history (possibly the quote that made him so beloved) is a "borderline personal attack" or "derogatory about the PDGA"?

Definitely ashamed. I can't wait to make certain we have a civil conversation. Face to face.

LOL

Why? You want to justify your childish behavior all of last year? As your punishment, everyone should know about your actions, so when you get comfortable and go back to your old ways, it's not tolerated. I have every right to let any player know about your shenanigans. Either change your attitude or quit. Those are your options.

LOL

Why? You want to justify your childish behavior all of last year? As your punishment, everyone should know about your actions, so when you get comfortable and go back to your old ways, it's not tolerated. I have every right to let any player know about your shenanigans. Either change your attitude or quit. Those are your options.
Only if we can take the time to justify your childish behavior? Or doesn't it count when you're throwing your chair around on hole 9 at Massilon and everyone 300 feet away can say to themselves "Well, he's out of it." You can go ahead and lie to people about me - but I'm not going to take it without a few words. Especially from someone who can hardly be called mature on the course himself.

I want to make one thing clear - the people in that tournament are my friends. Ricky Wysocki, Chris Hoyle, Dan Davis are all GREAT PEOPLE. I throw $500 and then some into my B Tier each year, I throw away money every day at league rounds playing left handed. What did I have to gain by cheating and stealing money from my friends? $7.00! What did I have to lose? EVERY SHRED OF MY REPUTATION - There is no sense to cheating! NONE. I ****** up scores at that event. I will be the first to admit I made a mistake. I have repeatedly. I lost my temper after the event and that caused my suspension. I regret that deeply. But the fact remains - I am not a cheater and no one will ever catch me cheating because I have no interest in making $5.00 in exchange for the risk of losing any joy I take in golfing.

So if you want to continue to spread blatant lies then yes - I will make certain I see you face to face, and discuss this.

Got into a fight after a tournament - idiotic mistake in judgement, and something I'm ashamed of.

Props for ownership! Don't see that much.

That's a fact! Responsibility seems to be a thing of the past.

Um I'm not on the list.

And Hole 9 if I'm not mistaken is the hole with the cliff and ravine, I went off it and had my disc wedge into the other side of the cliff. I had to rock climb down into the ravine then climb on to the other wall. It was the worst/hardest lie I have ever had to take in disc golf. Hell another guy in my group took my picture because me standing on the side of a cliff was crazy looking. I threw my chair up on the green because climbing the wall again to putt out was kinda dangerous with one hand not to mention my fat self was pretty tired from rock climbing in the middle of a round. Also, I took a 3, not a bad score on that hole, why would I be mad? I bet less than 5 people took a 2 on that hole, it'ts one of the hardest holes on the course. It was not in anger, and my group would tell you the same thing. However everyone in my group was complaining about your behavior at that very event. Mr. I'm gonna be the best golfer in Ohio in a year and a half. I don't believe I told Tyler Horne to shut the f up to his face after many holes of crying. All Tyler asked was that you calm down. Tyler of all people. I believe you were offically warned during the round for that, and had it noted on the card. Another thing that has never happened to me in almost 20 years of play. You have managed to both get courtesy warned in a round and find yourself in disciplinary action in less than a few of years of play. Funny you bring that event up. I had some bad holes that round, that wasn't one of them. I tend to mess up really really easy holes. LOL Also I guess I wasn't out of it since I cashed for $120 in that event. http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8971&year=2009&include_ratings=1#Open

edit: here is the pic from that hole that round. It's hard to tell but the green is elevated and you can't see the bottom from that pic. It was taken with a cell phone. The basket is 10 feet to the right of that disc in the pic. I remember actually laughing about the hole on the next hole with my group. All be it out of breath laughing, it was laughing none the less.
http://gallery.me.com/bbotte/100049/benclif/web.jpg

But I'm a liar, don't believe anything I say.

I stand corrected on that issue.

Thanks Chuck. Looks like i was misinformed. He is suspended, not blackballed. I was surprised to see some of the other names in the 11/16/09 update.


Hate to see him still there after it was updated 2 months later on the 14th of January, 2010

Hate to see him still there after it was updated 2 months later on the 14th of January, 2010

Has the PDGA even tried to contact him in order to resolve the issue?

Seems to me that if a 15-20 year PDGA member and TD, whose events have put 1,000's and 1,000's of dollars into the PDGA's pocket, should be contacted by the organization to find out what's going on.

They may have contacted him. I don't know. I don't really want to bring up the subject when i do see him.

Not knowing about Mace's case, but knowing from dealing with exact situations for myself and others you do get an email or call and then it's up to the person to pay the fees to come off the list - no payment, no removal - and it's based on TD of record who sanctioned the Event - not who promised to pay the fees.(as 1 famous message board person tried to claim)

Now I'm famous.

Call it however you see it, I want to make sure that volunteers are not stuck with having to pay event fees that a promoter can't find it in his heart to pay in a reasonable amount of time, especially when that promoter keeps trying to claim that he already paid those fees.

The truth will set you free! Responsibility should be the word of the new decade!!

You're famous to me. :)

And keep in mind that I didn't mention your name - you did.


I know your story from your postings, but it's sad that months and years later that people that are TD's and quality people by all accounts end up on the list out of pride, or stubborness, as the PDGA has no reason to budge from their stance or EVERYONE would just say "someone else was supposed to pay the fees".

Hell I don't like paying over $225 bucks in sanctioning and fees multiplied by the 6 Events I run, but it's the price I HAVE to pay for PDGA sanctioning if I want to run sanctioned Events.

No one is forced to sanction thier Events but over 1000 times last year people felt that the price was worth it to their player base - Which is who I and I'm sure MOST TD's run their Events for.

Nice lie Ben!!! I was there. I thought you might die. Heck of a shot!!!!

one of the names on that list was placed there for tournament fees from over 3 years ago that he is certain he paid. unfortunately he no longer holds the bank account it was paid from so it's about he said-she said. imo 3 years time is a little excessive for something like that to pop up all of a sudden.

Look at my blue disc sitting there nicely by the basket. Ben's lie, not so nice.

one of the names on that list was placed there for tournament fees from over 3 years ago that he is certain he paid. unfortunately he no longer holds the bank account it was paid from so it's about he said-she said.

Wow, so now we are implying that the PDGA office isn't doing proper accounting. I'm pretty sure these kind of things are tracked by multiple folks including the PDGA Tour Manager, the office manager, and an accountant who reviews the books.

Congratulations, we've hit yet another new low. :(

the pdga can do nothing wrong, can it?


i think the point was that 3 yrs is a bit long to wait for this sort of thing.

simmer down, jeffrey.

Wow, so now we are implying that the PDGA office isn't doing proper accounting. I'm pretty sure these kind of things are tracked by multiple folks including the PDGA Tour Manager, the office manager, and an accountant who reviews the books.

Congratulations, we've hit yet another new low. :(

fees were apparently sent when the office was in process of moving from the great white north to georgia- it is understandable that some items may have gotten mixed up in the process. if i thought the pdga office weren't doing proper accounting in general i'd scream it from the mountaintop. go keep score somewhere.