Campaign Statements and comments:
Vote for Me, please:cool:
Well the time has come for voting and I would like to continue to serve on the board of the TDSA.
My platform is based on growing the AM player base, maintaining and upgrading the existing courses in the Tulsa Metro area, giving back to the local players that are the backbone of our sport.
I feel that the addition of a new gold standard course for NT professional play should be delayed until all of our existing courses are back on line, fully maintained, and that those are up graded with a few more amenities.

I have served on the board since the 2006 AM worlds staff and will continue to pursue the needs of the local players if retained.

I am Martin Norris and I wrote this message.

so, which of the candidates is the one who supports the pros and building new challenging courses? i vote for them :D

so, which of the candidates is the one who supports the pros and building new challenging courses? i vote for them :D
I support your right to do so but since the club is chartered to support disc sports of which there are several more than just disc golf, by the way. :eek:
it is prudent to spend money on the majority of the players rather than on a select few.:cool:

I support your right to be a pro.
I support your right to find events to make money in.
I support your right to BUILD YOUR OWN PRO course :D as Wise did.
I support your right to comment.

I do not support any minority group of players who wish to totally wipe out the TDSA funds and leave us with work to do and no money to pay for it. (as two NTs would have done should we have ran them.)
Wake up everyone the reason ball golf pays now is the millions of AM players, when we get those then the PRO players will make Tiger Bucks.

Be nice to the AMs they pay your way:eek:

so you want the pros to make their own organization? seems like that would cause division in the tdsa.

and i was an am like 2 months ago, so clearly i understand the am side of things too, i never had a problem going to events and paying whatever the entry was... knowing the pros were being paid added cash. why is this such a big deal all of a sudden?

the longer those of us that dont have the talents of the select few there will always be more ams than pros.
that is not saying anything against pros.
when the club is supported prmarily by the masses of ams and the most labor performed in the volunteer status for the club and most of the tournys that raise funds for the club are ran by ams with a larger portion of proceeds comming from ams then why should all the club sponsor moneys go to only the pros?
if the pros would spend a little of their play time with the ams in a clinic format the ams could see some benifit.
or if the am proceeds went to the am side of the oklahoma open i gaurantee the ams wouldnt complain about the payout.
withall proceeds going to the pros we still had complaints about payout from the pros.
without seeing the paperwork yet i would guess that the oo probably broke even this year also.
maybe not.

Wake up everyone the reason ball golf pays now is the millions of AM players, when we get those then the PRO players will make Tiger Bucks.

Be nice to the AMs they pay your way:eek:


i respect your argument about AMs versus PROs...

There are things in the works on the pro side to benefit AM players, they are in the planning stages now but you couldn't be further from correct if you think there is going to be a big division between the tulsa players, pro or am.

I will support anyone who runs for admin who has the main agenda of improving events for ams, but doesn't neglect the pros in the process. we need a blending and meshing of the two tiers.. not an exile of the pros being left to fend for themselves.

I will not stand behind your platform (and would encourage others not to either... your arguments are one-sided).

Of course, it doesn't matter what I think really, I'll be playing a big tournament in Texas come voting day :D

who else is runnning? they should post on here


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for the record.. no AMs currently pay my way... I shell out the dollars for the pro tournaments and don't expect to win anything back. talk to the TOURing pros about ams paying their way... what about us local pros who are almost donating hoping to get our entry back in the big A tiers.

I'm also running for Admin. I have a little difference of opinion on the whole pro thing. I posted the following on another thread:

"I think that showcasing the touring pros at least once a year is great for the club, for disc golf in general, and great for the ams. It is really inspiring to see what is possible in disc golf. If club $$'s are an issue, I'd be willing to work toward raising the $2000 - $3000 needed to bring the pros to town. I think that donations are out there, both corporate and individual, and I be willing to work toward "making it happen" to insure that the pros keep coming to Tulsa."

I thought having the NT here in 2009 was great. The wedding made it even more special. It was a once-in-a-lifetime disc golf happening of the highest magnitude. I have video of Burl in a mu mu. Saw the sacrificial discs sail into the lake while Kevin and Courtney paddled toward the cabin. Witnessed Adam Hunt shooting the hot opening round against all the big dawgs of disc golf. I danced with Val Jenkins. Drank shots with Avery. I even got to play a round with Climo while trying to qualify for Big Money Doubles. Events like this make disc golf memories for me and others like me. I will fondly remember them in my dotage - only a scant few more years to go before I get there, you know ;)

After saying all that, I also want to say that I plan to vote for Martin on Sunday because I know how much work he does for the club. He deserves to continue on as an administrator, and I support him wholeheartedly.

Outside of Mr Norris and Mr Geurin, I believe others on the ballot this year include:

Dave Pennykamp
Tony Skywalker
John Barton

but there will be a "write in" option if you like none of the above.

I say we bring Wise back. :)

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I'm all for the pros coming to town .but I am tired of the pros that think AMs owe them something and it seems to me that when they get to be 1000+ rating they turn in to d$#@!. they think they are TIGER or something. and most dont give back I am sure that is what the others are saying as well . I volunteer every chance I get even if I have to miss some work. Carrie and I pick up trash once a week at HUNTER ,and I will be playing right behind local players that walk over every bit of trash they come across these are the same players that complain about courses not being taken care of or thinking they should be making more on payouts NEVER ENOUGH That is what Ii am tired of
We as a club the select few that always show up to volunteer never do enough ,the courses are never good enough. the payout sucks ,etc etc . all negative


Everyone needs to remember

WE ARE JUST GROWN PEOPLE PLAYING WITH TOYS IN A PARK NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!

Well I say we alternate. $2000 to a big pro event one year, and $2000 to a big Am event the next. And since we've done big Pro events for the last 20 years or so, I say we just do big Am events for the next 20. :D

Sorry Dorries. You say you're busy or don't have enough time to get involved but still you find the money and time to run down to Texas on the weekend of the club elections and United Way event.

In my mind that is exactly the type of club member the TDSA does not need.

Whoa there Dog! Our best players should be headed there. Members can vote before they leave. I know I have already voted. If it weren't for moving today and tomorrow and the United Way event, I might have headed that way.

I don't fault the better players going to the VPO vs a local charity event. Don't worry, the AMS will come through again and make the event a success!

Ok, my bad. Dorries you are forgiven but you should at least vote before you leave.

to all who plan on the vpo please submit your votes prior to leaving.
we need to have a quarum with this vote.

Well I say we alternate. $2000 to a big pro event one year, and $2000 to a big Am event the next. And since we've done big Pro events for the last 20 years or so, I say we just do big Am events for the next 20. :D

Sorry Dorries. You say you're busy or don't have enough time to get involved but still you find the money and time to run down to Texas on the weekend of the club elections and United Way event.

In my mind that is exactly the type of club member the TDSA does not need.

Forgiven for what? I did nothing wrong. You are just an idiot.

I'm sorry I want to go play in a big A tier tournament? Wait no I'm not.

Are you actually serious? So when I was an AM, it was okay to be in the TDSA... Now that I started throwing the frisbee better I shouldn't be a part of the TDSA?

Can I vote against furdog? Someone needs to kick this stinky mutt outdoors and lock the door. He's got plenty of animal friends to keep warm with in the woods.

to all who plan on the vpo please submit your votes prior to leaving.
we need to have a quarum with this vote.

How do I submit my vote? and how do I vote against furdog?

we dont know furdogs vote
as we dont know your vote
i spoke to wayne forest please send me an email adress and you can vote electronic.
wanes phone is 576-8569 if you call him he can fire a email directly.
thanks for your intrest in the club and its functions.

How do I submit my vote?

Wayne Forest sent me an absentee ballot in email. Post your email or send it to Wayne via PM and I am sure he will get the absentee ballot to you.

[QUOTE=twoputtok;1400357]Our best players should be headed there. QUOTE]

Ok, send Adam Hunt, Chris Hicks, & Scotty Wilkerson.

After last weekend I believe our local "superpros" should get a timeout and be made to stand in the corner. Maybe even attend anger management classes also.

I didn't see a single one hanging out during the final nine. :(

The TDSA should just change the name of the OO next year to "The Okie Cash for Clunkers Open". :eek:

PM sent to wayne.

Has anyone ever kept track of how many lame/dumb/terrible comments furdog has made in one day? I might look in to keeping a tally.

You can't vote me out because I have a microphone and YOU WILL LISTEN TO EVERYTHING I HAVE TO SAY!!!! :D

You going to the VPO this weekend will not help you to mate nor will it help pay off your college student loan for the 8 years you've been hanging around there in a toga. :)

I would like to see how many candidates would like to see(make it happen) an AM only event in Tulsa in 2010?

You may not believe this but Southern Hills not only does not PAY to have Tiger Play at their course but PGA and USGA Pay Southern Hills to run events there. the tournament before the last one they were paid to replace most of the greens on the main course!:eek:
Some day I hope it will be the same with our sport but until we have a registered armature base of players big enough to entice outside sponsors we are forced to support our professional player with armature player contributions.
While the current system is the norm for us it continually strains the money generating capabilities of the local disc golf clubs to raise several thousand dollars a year for added cash events.
I am sure that it is nice to have the top professional players of our sport come to town to play an event and while we had several of the top players this last week we got ZERO !!!! press coverage from conventional media and the only prestige we gained (if any) was from the players them selves who got paid!
So far from 2006 to current, the prestige from 2006 worlds, GTO, and GCO along with the annual 00 and about $ 5.00 will buy you coffee at Starbucks.
All I want is for the professional end of the PDGA to express thanks and help promote the growth of our sport in the local area, not just grab a paycheck and check out.
How about some local press interviews, radio spots, TV spots, gee Wayne Forest gets more TV face time at the Ice Bowl than the Top pro players that came to town last weekend.

I always want a pro side to any event we have so our professionals can score some bucks, but I feel that the club cannot afford to just shoot the moon every time a NT is available and spend big bucks for no return on investment.

Paul, you say you are in training to be a CPA, so here is one for you, would you continue to buy stock that goes up in price but cannot be sold and returns no dividend? I know that I would not. (I buy Walmart stock:D)

I LOVE OUR LOCAL PROFESSIONALS :cool: but they are not the ones demanding several thousand dollars added cash every time they play!:)

I would like to see how many candidates would like to see(make it happen) an AM only event in Tulsa in 2010?
Current admin, I vote yes!:D

right now the majority of the players and admins have seen the results of pro events without outside sponsorship. the general consensus now will probably lean strongly to an all am event similar to bowling green.

have you not seen the biotching by a local pro about pro worlds payouts on the main disscussion thread

have you not seen the biotching by a local pro about pro worlds payouts on the main disscussion thread

wheres the link to that

http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=32239

http://www.pdga.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=32239
from Chuck later in that thread!

If anyone deserves to be paid next, it's those who run Worlds and other major events. The $83,000 in entry fees and added cash doesn't come close to covering the true value of the PROFESSIONAL work put in by core Worlds staffers annually. I'm not talking about the volunteers during the week like spotters and water runners. That's also large but then major sporting events like golf majors have lots of volunteers, too. We're talking about the efforts over several years of the core team to produce a Worlds of even the quality we currently have.

Those core people are paid to produce and run other big time sporting events. They should be the next ones to get paid in our sport before our players UNLESS as Rhett and I continually point out, someone cares to watch our players. That's the ONLY source that really pays the top pros in other sports. Whether it's sponsor purses or sponsor endorsement deals, those big money contracts are there because tens of thousands of fans care to watch, buy merch and pay for tickets to watch.

And 'no' it's not because the pros were on TV first before the fans cared. The fans cared and attended events in large numbers long before the events were on TV. Scrabble, curling and lumber jack competitions have been on TV and we don't hear of big pro contracts or endorsements for their top players.

Our World Championships do pay for more labor and travel expenses from the budget than other weekend PDGA events. That's one thing that does reduce the payouts at Worlds. Expect that to continue or you won't see people wanting to host them at all, especially with the whining aftermath each year about payouts and any other failings.

Players should thank their lucky stars Innova doesn't appear to take out money from whatever outside sponsorship and Roc sales they generate to pay all of their employees who help prepare and run the USDGC. If the USDGC with all of the trappings it currently has was not produced by a manufacturer willing to dip into the bank, it could not have the payouts it has. And Innova has tried as much as anyone to draw spectators to the USDGC.

your answer Paul about why I want less added cash events and more events for the "Little people" :cool:

oh and I forgot to mention the original post was much longer and has been removed by the moderators

you can see a small part of the original about half way down the first page

there wise
install your stir the pot pic here___________________

all I'm saying about the issue is this.

I am not against any of your ideas for growing the AM side and adding cash to AM events.

I agree more along the lines with DR. Jim that we shouldn't just totally eliminate the pro side of things, as far as big tourneys go. There will hopefully always be the local B and C tiers for us local pros to stay active and get ratings.

That being said, we shouldn't leave the pro tournament payout to the Ams, I agree with that also. Now it would be nice if we didn't totally eliminate that portion, lets have a balance. Perhaps if us local pro type figure out a way to raise money for added cash, perhaps it could be matched (up to a certain amount) by the club.

I'm just sick of hearing you guys talk about am only, ams getting screwed blah blah like I wasn't just an am 3 months ago. I understand the AM side as well, I was happy to travel to tournaments (losing money every time). Travel out of state, in state, in a car, in a van, on a plane.. whatever it took to play new events and new courses. Sure it would have been nice to get more payout, but it wasn't my main motivation to play events as an AM. And when I was AM, i did really enjoy getting to watch the pros, even if it was on the fairway 4 holes away.. or in a finals format...

Now that I have the chance to actually play with these guys.. its so awesome and a pleasure when I see big names coming to town. Getting to play a round with Nikko was totally awesome, I don't care if hes crazy, it was funny and very entertaining. Ken tank franks... super cool guy... sure he had his "opinions" but thats part of being a pro, you experience a lot of different golf in different places.

so please stop griping about pro/am and lets see more working together and ideas that benefit both sides.. not just adding money to the pros but also figuring out ways to get them involved in growing the sport. I plan to be talking to some local pro people about getting a clinic together to benefit ams. More details to come within the next few weeks.

Don't let an issue like this drive TDSA apart, lets work together to get the best of both sides. That might mean checking your prior experiences at the door and being open to new ideas (concerning pro payout/pdga/touring pros).

by no means am I saying ditch the pros I am just saying that the pros were once ams they if anybody should realize why we as a club and I as an am player dont appreciate the biotching about the courses not being good enough the payouts not being good enough
grow up already
We as a sport are not capable of paying for their way YET we are trying to get there but it is still early
until people start taking this sport seriously (the players) more spectator friendly (drug tests and so forth) then this will always be the druggy sport that it started out to be

I have talked to so many people about discgolf and the first thing I ever here is don't you all smoke pot

I have never smoked it so I get a black eye just for playing it

don't get me wrong it is your body so I dont have a problem with it but lets start to look like a sport that wants to grow
instead of a bunch of hippies living in the 60s

Everyone needs to remember

WE ARE JUST GROWN PEOPLE PLAYING WITH TOYS IN A PARK NOTHING ELSE!!!!!!!
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... now THERE'S a gem of wisdom ! ... (I knew I liked Jerry for some reason) ... my old note in my 'profile' (from inception of a message-boared and chitty-chat notepad) has always shown ONE point to try and keep things in their proper light ... from the proper perspective ... "remember , it's a SPORT !" ... and all-the-advectives and inflections and defintions of 'sport' ...
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all they ever kid me about is how much beer I must drink as they look at my belly:D
I never want to eliminate pro players some of my friends are pro players but they all have day jobs too.

My concern as an admin has always been keeping a positive balance in the club account to deal with day to day operations and emergencies (like the ICE STORM from heck of 2 years ago) (has it really been that long?)
We still have one course that is down from that, mostly because we have focused our efforts on two consecutive NT events in our area.
There you have it we have spent large amounts of club funds, volunteer time and donations for professional players at the expense of one of our local courses.
Granted Hakie Creek was not going to cost a lot of money to fix up but we did use a lot of volunteer labor time on the GTO and GCC. We now need to get our house in order and then pursue the bigger things.:D

There you have it we have spent large amounts of club funds, volunteer time and donations for professional players at the expense of one of our local courses.
Granted Hakie Creek was not going to cost a lot of money to fix up but we did use a lot of volunteer labor time on the GTO and GCC. We now need to get our house in order and then pursue the bigger things.:D

its nice to see that you are so opinionated, you have been an admin for how long? what would you say is in your list of personal accomplishments during your time served on the board? I'm just curious, as I have only been around the tdsa scene for 2 years-ish-

I'm not running in this election, but as a TDSA board member I am going to try and get and am only event together this coming year. Maybe I can start up a committee for this at our next meeting.
We have a good group of candidates, but I want to personally endorse Dave Pennekamp for the TDSA board. I know he has put in lots of volunteer work helping run tournaments and setting up courses. He is a very selfless individual and would be a benefit to our club. Dave is always looking for ways to help out his fellow golfers and I think he will continue to do so if he is elected.
Cris Hicks #15483
PS - Dave did not ask me to do this or endorse this speech:)

its nice to see that you are so opinionated, you have been an admin for how long? what would you say is in your list of personal accomplishments during your time served on the board? I'm just curious, as I have only been around the tdsa scene for 2 years-ish-
Gee guess you missed a few events since 2006:rolleyes:
seems to me I was the money man for world 2006
then staffed every thing I could since then and lets see carved a course out of a bridel path at Mohawk choped brush at the creek relocated holes and tees for worlds
Oh and then there was the spring fling and championship series.
I have a closet full of staff shirts how many do you have? :confused:

I have a closet full of staff shirts how many do you have? :confused:

you seem defensive... and for no reason. I was simply asking just to know, as I am filling in an absentee ballot... yes I will be voting!

i've noticed defensive behavior is often an attempt to make up for some wrong doing?! are u guilty of something?!?!?!?!

you seem defensive... and for no reason. I was simply asking just to know, as I am filling in an absentee ballot... yes I will be voting!

i've noticed defensive behavior is often an attempt to make up for some wrong doing?! are u guilty of something?!?!?!?!
yes spending as much time back and forth with you as the dog and two putt show.

its quiet in here, people must be plotting ways to kick furdog out of his admin spot :)

watch out now Martin is on the prowl. Hey, I gotta staff shirt Martin. Didn't help me win last year though :(

Dave has my vote all the way, he would be great for the position.

paul you should stop posting.you seem like a little kid that isnt getting his way.always must have the last word.we all understand you think your a pro now .unlike you ive been playing this "sport" for alot of years ' 94 ish.you should count your blessings that you have a good club that has the resources and personel to host big events/minis/charity events.if you lived in most other places you would see how good you have it. its my belief that if everyone in tulsa was exactly like you then there would be no club,no events,no nothing,just some grumpy groups on the 2-3 run down courses in tulsa where the highlight would be who could kick there bag the furthest,or whine about how things should be

thanks for the encouragement Don. it's nice that you think so highly of me.

you don't even know me! the only time we've ever talked is the couple times we played together when I went whizzing past you in the advanced field.

all those shroomz are starting to get to your head buddy. relax. or better yet, why don't you just stay on the Norman forums, or wait, the sooner forums... why do you have two clubs in the OKC area?!?!?! dont come on here trying to jack with our city too.

if you did know me you would know i try to be the most relaxed,fun loving,and encouraging guy on the card.now if you knew me 5-10 years ago you would know i was alot like you,upset about every bad shot,miserable when thing didnt go my way,probably someone you wouldnt want to be on a card with(at least if i was shooting bad)

now with years and rounds under my belt i see that this "sport" will always be something i love doing,and only a select few will make a meager living at it(in my lifetime)

i really have no ill feelings toward you and hope you continue to improve your game and your attitude.im just an outsider reading post on a message board and from what i read it seems you are upset things are not the way you invision them.

also i get more joy in watching someone that has just started playing make there first ace/first 60 ft putt/first under par round.than i do from watching a superpro throw a 500 ft hyzer

again count your blessings that tulsa has one of,if not the best club in the country
and read my signature line later in life it will make muh more since to you :)

how many players have you seen throw a 500 ft hyzer? ive only ever seen avery and ed dopplemayer do it, and ive heard coda hit a pure hyzer on hole 5 at mclure that parked it, but i dunno, a 500 foot shot that never flattens at all in its flight is quite a godly shot :P id pref that over watching bad players tbh :P

paul you should stop posting.you seem like a little kid that isnt getting his way.always must have the last word.we all understand you think your a pro now .unlike you ive been playing this "sport" for alot of years ' 94 ish.you should count your blessings that you have a good club that has the resources and personel to host big events/minis/charity events.if you lived in most other places you would see how good you have it. its my belief that if everyone in tulsa was exactly like you then there would be no club,no events,no nothing,just some grumpy groups on the 2-3 run down courses in tulsa where the highlight would be who could kick there bag the furthest,or whine about how things should be

My name is Furdog and I approve this message.

Dorries, I think what everybody is trying to tell you is that you haven't been around long enough to b***h. :D

paul you dont have to worry about me getting upset about something you post about me.so ill post the pm you sent me

To save you the embarassment of the public forum... let me address your ignorance.

First of all, you don't even know me... you have minimal interactions with me... I see these guys I am talking to on a weekly basis here and they know my sarcasm level and my passion for disc golf.

1. I am just messing with Martin... so all my posts to him are just a big joke to try and get him to justify why he should be on the board.

2. I've already had phone conversations and face to face conversations with members of the board and TDs and other active locals that say they look forward to me running for the admin board.

3. I have been fairly busy lately buying a house, car, working full time, and trying to keep my game sharp to keep up with my friends adam and josh. It is an adjustment for me as I am only 23... I will admit I am not a very organized person so it is challenging for me.

4. I have plans to be involved with the TDSA on a more consistent basis in the future, and the people HERE who I talk to all the time know that.

5. You're a ******.



So before you come on OUR boards (yes I am a member of the TDSA and they are MY club) and flame me. Why don't you get a clue on what you are saying. I'm not just ******** on the forums and showing up at these events and hiding... I talk to these people face to face and most of it is just forum discussion for fun and to bounce new ideas around.


You think im hiding from you at events ...thats funny......ill get my check in the mail to wayne so it will be my forum too...also funny....

and a note to two putt and furdog ^^^^take notes see what one little post can do you guys work too hard at it :)

read my signature line later in life it will make muh more since to you :)

thats the problem. you come on the tdsa boards and flame me, when you don't even understand me or know me.

I'm sorry you think I'm a punk kid with my own agenda, but im not.. im actually just expressing my opinion about the current pro/am discussion. and on the teepad issue I just wanted the best representation of centennial because I want these touring players to come back again, so I wanted the best courses to be played.

I dont get AS mad about shots and stuff anymore, mostly because its dangerous to my round score if i get so ******. but its good to get fired up and keep yourself focused and trying hard... look at nikko.. kid is 20... won USDGC... I walked a round watching him at usdgc and he took a REALLY bad break.. got ******... was mad about it but managed to shake it off and birdie the next hole. I'm not saying I want to be like him at all, I'm just saying different things work for different people. I'm sure I will mello out a little with time.

do you want cool points for trying to tell me you used to be like me and now your just a stoned out old guy? you dont get that from me, sorry... no cool points in my book. stick to your business and leave me out of it.

its fine that you posted my PM, i dont mind

My name is Furdog and I approve this message.


Figures... wouldn't expect otherwise

watch out now Martin is on the prowl. Hey, I gotta staff shirt Martin. Didn't help me win last year though :(
Run again as a wright in this Sunday ballot!:cool: I think that you have proved more than once that you care about the growth of our sport in the area and have worked to promote it!:)

......ill get my check in the mail to wayne so it will be my forum too...also funny....

mission accomplished! one more member of the TDSA! everyone welcome Don Cook to the TDSA!

To all TDSA Members, current and not and all interested Disc golfers!

TDSA picnic and board elections Sunday November 1 2009 Chandler Park.
must be current to vote so bring your renewal fee please:o

FREE FOOD (for all attending, not just members, join anyway please):D

Singles match before lunch and meeting:D
Doubles matches after elections!:D

Come and play, eat chow, and vote!:cool:

Like the club as it is, then say so:cool:
Want a change then say so and vote so!:D

IT IS YOUR CLUB, we direct at your pleasure so tell us what your needs are. As Mr. Spock once said "The needs of the many out way the needs of the few or the one" Let your voices be heard so we can know the needs of the many!:cool:

Figures... wouldn't expect otherwise

First there was Opie and now there is you.

Congratulations. :)

ok so i dont know you so i shouldnt make judgements right paul...but apparently you know me quite well right?
"your just a stoned out old guy"
"all those shroomz are starting to get to your head buddy"
"5. You're a ******."

seems to me your making judgements

Hey, that's an unfair comparison..

Besides, Andrew had valid points!!!

Hey, that's an unfair comparison..

Besides, Andrew had valid points!!!
now I know why James Norris did not want to run for the board.:D
it hurts to take pot shots from the peanut gallery and even more when they take shots at your kid.:eek:

seems to me your making judgements

just playing along

The simple solution for the club to handle this Pro/Am thing is to direct all mini money raised at Chandler and Riverside to a big Am tournament and direct all the mini money raised at Redhawk and Blackhawk towards the big Pro tourney.

I'm sure Paul, Coda, & Devon, would be willing to pony up the rest of pro payout since they normally sit out of the final nine. :)

The simple solution for the club to handle this Pro/Am thing is to direct all mini money raised at Chandler and Riverside to a big Am tournament and direct all the mini money raised at Redhawk and Blackhawk towards the big Pro tourney.

I'm sure Paul, Coda, & Devon, would be willing to pony up the rest of pro payout since they normally sit out of the final nine. :)
That is COLD Fur Dog;)
Pro added cash for a "B" tier is $500
Pro added cash for an "A" tier is $ 1500
and Pro added cash for an "NT" is marked to be determined which means if you have to ask you cannot afford it!:D

I am afraid that Redhawk and Blackhawk could not raise the capital to sanction anything above a "C" tier (it is no cash added:D)

Maybe the Pro Players could get sponsor money from OZ, Starship or one of the other smoke shops:cool:

thanks for the kind words Martin, however I will be waiting a few years to run again. There is alot more i need to learn about this sport before I put myself into that position. Glad I didn't get voted in last year because I don't think I was ready.

You and Penny have my votes: I'll take bribes on the rest :)

With Dorries at the VPO and Martin working, the board is such a quiet place!!

... a simply sublime Weather-Day in the Park ... FurDog's Mountain was bristling with activity ...
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... with active-current numbers of 129 (impressive) , our Ballots-cast acheived necessary quorum ... your 2009 Election Results as follows :

Martin Norris 73%
Dave Pennekamp 65%
Corey Leemhuis 40%
Tony Walker 45%
Jim Geurin 91%
John "Gumby" Barton 75%
(write-ins)
Daryl Johnson 2%
David Wise 10%
Matt Treat 2%

... so Big Thanks to Martin, Pennekamp, Geurin, and Barton who now assume the roles of Club Administrators ; and eagerly accept those duties and tasks ... big thanks as well to Corey and Tony for continued efforts and support on behalf of their Club ... there are exciting and new things to look forward to "on the horizon" and into 2010 ...

Martin Norris 73%
David Wise 10%
Paul Dorries 0%

The Tribe has spoken. Dorries you have officially been voted off the island and based on your performance at the VPO, OUT OF THE CASH. :(

You should hit up Adam Hunt for lessons. :D

� FOUND � at the Sunday, Nov.1 Club Picnic : a pair of glasses were left on a table at the shelter � they are low-profile wireframes � let us know who has misplaced their glasses, and we�ll get them back to them �

and the fund raising has begun for the big kahuna



the tulsa ice bowl.
the mullies that are sold leading up to the ice bowl and including the ice bowl will be going to the food bank where they turn each dollar into 9 doolars worth of food distribution, this out fit does not have the typicall top heavy management cost associated with other charity outfits.

So 1 dollar is worth 9 Doolars? How much food will a doolar buy?:rolleyes:

2010 Spring Fling and City Championship!

I am back this year:D (hope no Ice Storm:( to mess with the plans)

Look for preliminary details and plans as I get them worked out!:cool:

So 1 dollar is worth 9 Doolars? How much food will a doolar buy?:rolleyes:

doolar os equal to 1 federal reserve note with a 1 on it!!!

Interesting discussion posted over at DGRUS last night (11/04/2009) by Peter Shive. Peter is promoting an Over 40 Divisional Tour Newsgroup. This newsgroup's goal is to... "identify, promote and support important PDGA-sanctioned events that offer good value to older touring players."

There is grant money available (up to $10,000) from the Senior Foundation Grant Program for "top events" (whatever that means) for 2010 PDGA tourneys.

The link to the discussion is below. I would like to know what the newly elected admins (and those current TD's and admins) think about this Over 40 Divisional Tour Newsgroup.

http://discgolfer.ning.com/forum/topics/invitation-to-over40-pdga

I am not sure if it is the same deal but shortly after Worlds I started receiving emails that seemed to indicate they were from a PDGA group for seniors. I think they have the support of the PDGA.

At this point there is a problem because these old guys love to respond to all. Most of the emails are just banter between two members. Remember that hyzer I threw blah blah blah..

Remember that hyzer I threw blah blah blah..

I hear that crap after every tournament from both the old guys and the young guys. They should stick all that banner on a DVD because life is short and I don't want to waste mine listening to a bunch of "blow hards". :eek:

I hear that crap after every tournament from both the old guys and the young guys. They should stick all that banner on a DVD because life is short and I don't want to waste mine listening to a bunch of "blow hards". :eek:

Why not, we all have to listen to you???

That is because you never do what I tell you. :(

How long our we going to keep "tabling" the membership perk question until the next meeting? :confused:

I started to bring it up last Sunday but I didn't want to scare any new elect official from attending.

The holiday season is here. Time to start offering some TDSA "Captain America Super-Spy Rings." as part of membership. :D

We should start recording these meetings so members will know who's keeps driving the cart into the ditch.

This is not about health care, it's about "more is more" whether you're a pro member or just a lowly novice grunt.

Thanks to all the TDSA membership that voted to retain me on our board of directors!:cool:
I do pledge to continue to work behind the scenes for the improvement of our club and it's events. :)
Looking forward to once again being the lead TD for our 2010 Spring Flings and Championship series and working Staff on our many other tournament events, course maintenance projects and improvement efforts.:cool:

Please remember to send you ideas and feed back to my PDGA board PM box as well as my work email: martin@flowmeasurementcompany.com
I will read each and every message and pledge to consider all suggestions, ideas and critiques.

Lets all work together to make TDSA the number one supporter of Disc Sports in this country and maybe even the world. We have the people, land, and weather to do that for sure!:cool:

Why do we all of a sudden need to bribe, I mean give out "membership perks"? Why do people always seem to need something in return? Is membership too the best disc golf club in America not enough? What about the money that is being taken out of the membership fee for those "perks"? Would'nt you rather have that money go towards future tournaments or coarse improvements? Why not offer a T.D.S.A. members shirt "for sale" that is only available to members? As furrdog said it's the holidays and we should not be so greedy. If we do get this membership perk I personally would like the value of my perk too be put back into the club fund.

Why do we all of a sudden need to bribe, I mean give out "membership perks"? Why do people always seem to need something in return? Is membership too the best disc golf club in America not enough? What about the money that is being taken out of the membership fee for those "perks"? Would'nt you rather have that money go towards future tournaments or coarse improvements? Why not offer a T.D.S.A. members shirt "for sale" that is only available to members? As furrdog said it's the holidays and we should not be so greedy. If we do get this membership perk I personally would like the value of my perk too be put back into the club fund.

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Why do we all of a sudden need to bribe, I mean give out "membership perks"? Why do people always seem to need something in return? Is membership too the best disc golf club in America not enough? What about the money that is being taken out of the membership fee for those "perks"? Would'nt you rather have that money go towards future tournaments or coarse improvements? Why not offer a T.D.S.A. members shirt "for sale" that is only available to members? As furrdog said it's the holidays and we should not be so greedy. If we do get this membership perk I personally would like the value of my perk too be put back into the club fund.

Because people want value for their membership. If you joined a gym with only treadmills to use and the gym across the street has tanning, pool, weights and beatufull babes for $5 more per month, what would you do? And why? I assume you'd switch gyms because of more value for the money.
I know our club is the only one in town but we should offer our memnbers more than they receive now.

I proposed this once before, that the membership should be annual, it should be $20 and the member should get back $20 worth of exclusive schwag. Very exclusive. On top of that all NON-members should pay $1 extra per mini or event. This helps provide a benefit to current members by avoiding the fee and encourages new members so that they can avoid the fee. If the $20 schwag package is attractive enough you WILL grow your memberships due to those being on the outside wanting to know how to get in. Its like the new hot club with a long line outside and there are more people wanting to get in than they have space for.

Its called marketing guys. We need to quit active like its a privlage to be a member just because we are a cool club and start acting like we want new members by treating out members better than non-members


Plain and simple, more members results in a more active membership, which we need to have. The current list of volunteers is growing older and tired. We need new blood! The easiest way to do that is put a package out there that they can't live with out.

The ongoing plan that we have now does nothing to increase membership. Nor does it provide anything more to a member than a non-member, other than voting rights and a free hot dog once a year. A non-member can play all of the same events at the same price. So why should they join?
Our membership dues are not but a drop in the bucket of the total club revenue. The club should make the $20 annual membership a loss leader. In other words, the club doesn't make a dime from the membership fee. It gains much more through having a new active member.

And just because we are a great club and the only one in town, should not be a reason to become stagnant. As it is now,the current gaurd on duty does not want change, they like how it works now. And if you really think we are a strong club, then do your home work and and look at the current membership for peolple that pay ongoing dues. NUmbers can be massaged, I think the REAL numbers may surprise you. The only thing that makes us strong now, are the same 15 people doing everything. What happens when they quit doing it? Right now the club takes the stance that they are the only and the best **** buggy whip maker around. Kepp that attitude and you'll end up the same place they did.

well said putttwo

Ok Lil’Treat this is my view.

More is more. If you have kids someday wouldn’t you want them to go to the best schools and not have to settle for OSU? :)

Eighteen aces so far at Chandler this year and everytime a newbie hits an ace and we deduct his membership I get the same question, …..”What do I get for my membership?”.

I’m sure maybe some of the old guard would like me to shut up about it but the question is not going to go away and for us to just keep “tabling” the thing and not do anything is not going to help anyone.

How is the Stillwater club doing and what do you offer your members?

All I'm talking about is a "groovey" bag tag as a minimum. If they want to offer an optional deluxe t-shirt deal then I'm for that also but don't gouge the members like an insurance company.

i get the same question, �..�what do i get for my membership?�.






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I'm still waiting to see what Donkey Dan is going to do about taking our 15 dollars for tags last year and having no tournament or anything to show for it. Just a 15 $ plexiglass tag is all i have as of now. And its an 08 tag. wht can i do wiht that ??

at this point i would just like my 15 cash back along with all the other people who were SUCKERED into this deal.

dan is a nice guy, maybe you could ask him nicely to run a bag tag this year, and get one complimentary.

but you know what they say, you are what you eat....

https://atlas.colorado.edu/~szakolcz/images/lollypop/lolly1.jpg

Here's my 2 cents, because im sure you all wanna hear it :)

I paid $60 in 2003 to become a distinguished lifetime member of the TDSA. I got a dogtag with my name, number, and lifetime status that still hangs on my bag to this day. As a former administrator of this great club I have seen what goes on behind the scenes, and it's not all fun and games (although the cookies were the bomb).

So here's my idea:

( 1 ) Get a special run of (#) discs (or even minis) with a special TDSA stamp, whether it be full-color or supercolor or whatever. make sure the stamp says something like "2010 member of TDSA" and make it the hot new driver that everyone would go out and buy anyways. I'm 99.99% certain that ordering 150 discs with a custom stamp would come out to far less than $20 a disc, given our connections with Innova and Discraft.

( 2 ) $1 fee per mini for non-members. The $1 goes directly to the prize pool mentioned in (6) below.

( 3 ) $1 off of disc purchases at TDSA events -- buy 21 discs a year, then you just made your money back. Where do people have room to gripe about the "what do i get for my money" after reading 2 and 3?????

( 4 ) run one "special" tourney each month, like the first saturday of the month. Birdie Hunt at Riverside. Alternating Arms and A-Tees at McClure. Stapleton Scoring at Hunter. Slim Special at Chandler (or moose's ctp shootout or whatever the hell he calls my idea now :-) ). Have the fees taken from those tournies go into the same "fund" as the $1 fees mentioned in ( 2 ). You could also have Free added CTPs for club members only.

( 5 ) any PDGA sanctioned events run by the TDSA could have a $2-3 fee tacked onto them, cant they? check that we can do that and not violate PDGA rules or something. Again, fees go into the "fund".

( 6 ) this "fund" that I speak of is now getting trickled in to by many different areas. Use this fund to feed a free-entry divisional tourney at the end of the year. make it a two-round event held the day AFTER the fall picnic. True, it won't have as big a payout as a regular event, but you are playing it for FREE.

so break it down. for $20 per year you get:
-Disc
-$1 off minis
-$1 off disc purchases
-$2-3 off PDGA events run by TDSA
-Free rewards tourney at the end of the year.

The way I see it, very little changes to the current system make being in our club pretty **** cool. If something like this got implemented and actually ran true, I'd pay $20 a year even though I'm a lifer.

Could also sell bagtags for $10 and make them members-only tags. Tag tourney at the end of the year is match play like the NCAA's, you get seeded by your PDGA rating, but you also get weighted. So say Coda is 1030 rated and I'm... 880. I'd get strokes based on how PDGA calculates points-per-stroke these days. Elite eight-ers get something nice, Final four-ers get nicer, Top Two get nicest. But it'd make for some interesting golf.

**** slim, you got ideas just poppin' out of everywhere. I like it ! I don't see a flaw with any of your ideas. Why didn't you run for TDSA Board ? I'm Now officially a fan of Slim.....

dan is a nice guy, maybe you could ask him nicely to run a bag tag this year, and get one complimentary.

but you know what they say, you are what you eat....

https://atlas.colorado.edu/~szakolcz/images/lollypop/lolly1.jpg

He may put on a nice guy act but im still a little light in the wallet. What kind of example does this set for Young Bougher ! I actually forgot all about this until this conversation came up, so it kinda feels like some of my old feelings are coming back on this one...

LOL How am I all of a sudden "lil treat"? I am older than Andrew!

Wise I can not argue with your points. When laid out like that it does seem like a very logical decision and would help the club.

i say i like the silm and towputt deals i have had some of the same ideas and would like to work to get them in place because we need to give some bang for the buck to current members and to intice new people to join and that would make the club stronger thats my 2cents

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Quickest way to get people:
Free Food
Free Beer

Bribes always work, work never does.
We want to expand our membership base for many reasons and one is to show outsiders a larger active member roster when we hit them up for sponsorship and donations.
Larger membership numbers might get us a little more press coverage (hopefully of the positive sort.)
Larger active memberships may also result in a larger volunteer force for all of the work that has to be done from time to time.

But really we just want more people to DISCover our sport and enjoy it as much as we do!:D

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Quickest way to get people:
Free Food
Free Beer


I see a lot of young teenagers out at riverside playing. they look pretty new to the sport carrying one or two discs, what if instead of BEER (because its automatically assumed that anyone who would ever want to join the TDSA would love some free beer)... we give them a very basic (cheap) beginners bag that says TDSA and a TDSA disc and minimarker.... also a ticket for FREE entry into one MINI tournament on a weeknight or afternoon mini on the weekend... now we have them actually trying out the competition part of our club


or we could just give out free beer and old man diapers and get em lining up around the block!

or we could just give out free beer and old man diapers and get em lining up around the block!

Are you talking about the tournament or your mom's house?:D

i say i like the silm and towputt deals i have had some of the same ideas and would like to work to get them in place because we need to give some bang for the buck to current members and to intice new people to join and that would make the club stronger thats my 2cents

I realize it was a mistake but I like it. You two should now be known as SILM and TOWPUTT ! :)