i don't agree with the idea that a td taking HIS profit from am merch differential and placing it in the pro purse constitiutes ams subsidizing pros. it's the td/clubs cash to do with as they choose, same as a retailers profit from mark-up is theirs to do with as they choose.

To the best of my knowledge, your wrong about the Rumble. We paid to vend at the Rumble and that money went into the added cash for the Pro field, or to the Club for future ventures. There was no money taken from the Ams after player packs and tourney fees were deducted.

Maybe I don't understand. My take is that you took money from the Ams, and you gave money to the club, and the club gave money to the pros to fulfill the B-tier requirement.

i don't agree with the idea that a td taking HIS profit from am merch differential and placing it in the pro purse constitiutes ams subsidizing pros. it's the td/clubs cash to do with as they choose, same as a retailers profit from mark-up is theirs to do with as they choose.

OK, agreed. But you know that without the ams, there is no profit to be donated to the pros. The am entry fees make it possible for that money to be donated.

OK, agreed. But you know that without the ams, there is no profit to be donated to the pros. The am entry fees make it possible for that money to be donated.

What?

how does this pertain to USDGC or rules let alone 'USDGC rules issues'?

how does this pertain to USDGC or rules let alone 'USDGC rules issues'?

It's related largely by way of the_thread_drift_kid who seems to have a one track mind, along the lines of "not only are you not doing enough for me but you're making the world a worse place because you're not doing enough for me."

OK, agreed. But you know that without the ams, there is no profit to be donated to the pros. The am entry fees make it possible for that money to be donated.

No, TDs that consider a larger pro purse advantageous to the event and are willing to take money out of their pocket to pay for it make it possible. Any way you look at it, the money is in the TD's pocket first and the TD decides whether the money will come off the top or from weeks/months of fund-raising efforts.

I realize this is off-topic from the main discussion but I wanted to share per the last few conversations of this discussion.

Surely in a perfect world with enough sponsor dollars and a well organized event, AMS can receive a nice players package, play several rounds of competitive disc golf, and have a chance to win some prizes, while the PROS purse is large enough to attract out-of-town top PRO players.

But when sponsor dollar’s fall short, TDs should have the option to tap in to the AMS funds to help generate a larger PRO purse to attract out-of-town top PROS. I see nothing wrong with that. For example, at one of the events we had in San Diego, we were able to attract the likes of Dave Feldberg, Paul McBeth, Bobby Musick, and Steve Rico. For some AM players, this was their first chance to meet the 2008 Disc Golf World Champion. The event was small enough where players were up-close to the PROs and had the chance to watch the PROs play three rounds.

Second, by bringing in top PROs we were able to attract a sponsor who donated $1,000 to a Final Skins event that allowed the top four players who threw the best round to match up with four random AM players to compete in a Final Skins doubles match. This was such a huge draw for our event in that it created a huge gallery of not just players, but new fans, local people in the area, and families to witness what disc golf is all about. Dave Feldberg, Steve Rico, and two local PROs (Carlo Pelg and Chris Vilmorin) were teamed up with four lucky AM players to participate in this event.

Some could argue that the PRO purse was too much ($1,000 to the top PRO winner), and the Skins Match ($1,000) was too much and should have been distributed to the AMs players so that AMs could receive larger players packages and more shwag for the AM winners. Certainly if we had more sponsor dollars this could have been achieved.

I think one of the main goals for running the event this way, was to help promote the sport of disc golf and build a relationship with sponsors. When you have a sponsor put in a $1,000 and they see 200+ people stick around at a B-tier to watch a final skins match, that speaks volumes to the sponsor. Without sponsors, the sport won't move forward. Sometimes I think AMs need to look at the bigger picture, of how to help disc golf grow, it’s not always about, me, me, me, and getting extra plastic. Furthermore, it should encourage players who want to be in the competitive level to strive to be better, move up, and eventually play in the PRO league.

In the end, it was great to beat Dave Feldberg in a Skins match and personally take home $500 (I think that’s a record for the most $$$ for one event for an AM player). I haven’t spent a penny of that money and plan to distribute throughout next year to continue to support local events. And almost all of the plastic I have received this year at 15 PDGA events, I have started to donate to Non-Profit organizations that promote disc golf and provide donations for raffle prizes at future events. Sometimes there are events where players get well more shwag in their player packages that exceed the nominal tournament fee, and sometimes you only get a disc or a t-shirt. Play enough events, go to several A-tiers and try to play in a NT and in the end it all works itself out.

There does not seem to be an action in sport that is quite as meaningless as the disc golf drop-in.
Take care,
Harold
The intentional walk, the kneel down, the lap under caution, the kick it out of bounds/ give it back for an injured soccer player, any frame after a bowler is mathematically eliminated, etc.etc. etc.

I - like many others I'm sure - invented the game of disc golf independently, ignorant of it's existence. Started with an ultimate hitting a 5 gallon bucket on the ground, then on a 2x4 stake, then hanging from a tree, and before long I had an 18 hole course of 200-300ft. holes. Any shot you could not grab from a tree with both feet on the ground was OB. It was hardly suprising that when I DID discover the established game, it's rules - if not exactly - were in the spirit of those I had created in my mind. This game's rules are simple to the point of intuition.
"Play it from where it lies until it's in the basket."

Please stop tinkering with perfection.
Please stop muddying simplicity.
Please stop making course layout more arduous. (I do not have time to discuss how a 3-m circle x 18 holes x every existing D.G course would work when I'm happy to find a flat tee box.)
I understand the need to dignify one's position with ACTION, that the status quo is not exciting, groundbreaking or memorable. But please, first, do no harm.