Is there any standard regarding when a TD must display the grouping and hole assignments for the upcoming round? I recall hearing at some point that 30 minutes before the round start was the minimum. If there is a standard, where can it be found?

i don't believe there is a standard for it. if first round tees were posted 30 minutes prior player's meeting attendance would get shot to hell. i don't show the board until i am done talking before an event thereby holding the players hostage for the player's meeting.

no standard, some events read the names from the cards as they are sending players out to the holes for the first round. usually the later rounds are posted as soon as they are ready.

Is there any standard regarding when a TD must display the grouping and hole assignments for the upcoming round? I recall hearing at some point that 30 minutes before the round start was the minimum. If there is a standard, where can it be found? There is no specific rules, however there are TD guidelines, see below.

C. PLAYER'S MEETING
C6. Lunch Break
Explain how much time will be taken between rounds. Urge players to get off the course, turn in the scorecards, and hustle out to lunch. Leave the tournament staff to their task of verifying scorecards and recording scores. Explain that you will take "X" amount of time after the last group comes off the course (usually 1 hour). Mention that if they are done while other groups are obviously still playing, then they have more than X-minutes before the next round starts. Players should not hang around waiting for the next rounds' start time to be posted. "Go to lunch and get back quick!" Then look for the start time to be posted.

D. BETWEEN ROUNDS
D1. Scorecards & Leaderboard
Have your scorecard box set out at tournament central. Be sure that players have a place to turn in their scorecards in case you�re not at HQ when they finish their current round.
Start verifying scorecards ASAP. Point to your sign showing when the next round will start if someone asks "What time is the next round?" Suggest that they should hurry back if they plan on leaving. Have at least two others on your scorecard verification team. Do your scoring in a private spot. Get the leaderboard out of the public's eye. This will limit the number of interruptions from players eager to see where they stand. Once the last group has come off the course (be certain!), post the starting time of the next round.
Record the first round scores onto the leaderboard cards. Sort the cards within divisions by ascending total scores. If it�s after round two, then use the best score in the most recent round (and then next most recent round) to break ties. If tied players have shot several identical rounds, use something like lowest PDGA number to determine who�s placed higher on the board.
Put the leaderboard cards back on the board by division, Figure out how many players there are in each division. If the numbers make it difficult to have the same number of players on each hole, try forming threesomes or foursomes before you consider a fivesome. Don't make a larger group out of the slowest players. If some holes can be left open, the best idea is to make these the holes immediately before the most difficult holes on the course which take the longest to play. The top open group should be the group on hole one, the second open group should be on hole two, etc.
It is important to begin verifying scorecards as soon as possible. Get your staff moving! Get the leaderboard updated as soon as possible. One of the most exciting things in disc golf is watching oneself rise and fall on the leaderboard. Give your players a chance to see where they stand before they leave the course for the day.

Yeah, I read all of that and more while looking for an answer. Of chief concern is when the scores(hole assignments) should be posted before the 2nd round, not the first and how much time should be allowed after this posting and before the start of the NEXT round.

Yeah, I read all of that and more while looking for an answer. Of chief concern is when the scores(hole assignments) should be posted before the 2nd round, not the first and how much time should be allowed after this posting and before the start of the NEXT round. There is no specific or required amount of time of when the scores should be posted once they are turned in. However, scores should be posted and organized before the beginning of the next round to determine card and hole assignments.

.....However, scores should be posted and organized before the beginning of the next round to determine card and hole assignments.Duh!

Yeah, I read all of that and more while looking for an answer. Of chief concern is when the scores(hole assignments) should be posted before the 2nd round, not the first and how much time should be allowed after this posting and before the start of the NEXT round.Enough time that the players can look at the scoreboard and point out your mathological and divisionagraphical errors before it is too late to correct them. I think John Biscoe's "Secret Leaderboard" approach leads to too many errors that would have been corrected if the TD had let the players see the leaderboard. John Biscoe himself may be an errorless TD machine, but I've seen plenty of TDs set up FUBAR leaderboards because they went with the secret leaderboard technique.

I believe Mr. Biscoe only employs the "Secret Leaderboard" approach before the first round, to ensure high attendance at the players' meeting. After that, I believe he posts when all scores are turned in & compiled.

Give a colorblind TD color coded registration cards and two courses to deal with, and he can get the leaderboards FUBAR before the first round begins.

The problem with posting the leaderboard too early is that sometimes there are changes. It may not be desirable - but it is a reality - sometimes there is shuffling to do - either because of ties, or because of group size, or course organization. If someone assumes 1/2 hr before that the board is final - they can end up on the wrong hole.

Which would be a good thing because then they would learn to attend the player meeting and check the final leaderboard.

If we allow people to make dumb mistakes, sometimes they will. And sometimes they will learn something.

I don't disagree w/that.

But I also don't much like to have to deal with the frantic player running back to tournament central to find out where they are supposed to be because they stole a glance of the board over my shoulder before I finalized it. (Happened at my event this year)

There's only so much "teaching" I care to deal with when running an event. Which has led to the implementation of the Spencer Thurman rule: All questions asked that are covered by information in the program - cost a dollar :)

Give a colorblind TD color coded registration cards and two courses to deal with, and he can get the leaderboards FUBAR before the first round begins.

give 10000 monkeys typewriters and they will eventually create the works of shakespeare. seems like the colorblind individual should not be given that particular job.

i'm much more concerned with "idiot proofing" when i run an event than "teaching".

i'm much more concerned with "idiot proofing" when i run an event than "teaching".

Yeah ...me too.

i'm much more concerned with "idiot proofing" when i run an event than "teaching".

Both are impossible tasks.

Both are impossible tasks.

amen.

give 10000 monkeys typewriters and they will eventually create the works of shakespeare.

I'm pretty sure this message board has disproved that statement! :D

Forsooth...

yea verily...

...Which has led to the implementation of the Spencer Thurman rule: All questions asked that are covered by information in the program - cost a dollar :)

I adopted this rule last year at the So Cal Championships and now use it at all my events. However, I only collect a quarter when information is posted on signs at tournament central.

I post the next round start time on the table and at the top of the leader board. People will look me in the eye and ask, "What time is the next round?" I point to the sign right over my head or the one their hand is touching and then tell them to fork over the quarter! :D

give 10000 monkeys typewriters and they will eventually create the works of shakespeare.

Come on, the monkeys would die of old age!!! :)

i'm much more concerned with "idiot proofing" when i run an event than "teaching".

John is very much in tune with the abilities of his clientele, and his policies reflect that.

Once at the VA Open, a very well-known pro player read the posted tee time and asked me if that was the "real" tee time. I told him no, that's the fake tee time we designed to increase the number of stupid questions posed to the tournament staff.

Some of the idiots will fall through the cracks no matter how much you try to reach them.

John is very much in tune with the abilities of his clientele, and his policies reflect that.

Once at the VA Open, a very well-known pro player read the posted tee time and asked me if that was the "real" tee time. I told him no, that's the fake tee time we designed to increase the number of stupid questions posed to the tournament staff.

Some of the idiots will fall through the cracks no matter how much you try to reach them.That's not a dumb question at all. At most tournaments if a second or subsequent round is going off without a player meeting the posted tee time is the time when the TD looks around, sees 40 or 50 players still milling about tournament central and the parking lot, and then starts telling players to go out to their hole. And then tee off is ten minutes later. This is the norm at tournaments I've played.

At the last tournament I played I asked the TD if the posted tee time was the time two minutes before which he would blow the two minute warning, or the time when he was going to start shooing players out to their hole. He said something like, "Oh, I don't do that anymore. The tee time is the tee time. They can have all the sevens they want." :D

I respectfully disagree Bruce. Not only is it a stupid question, but an annoying one as well. If one wants to know if it's the real tee time or not, show up at the posted time and find out for yourself, in real time.

maybe tournaments run a little tighter in va than michigan/illinois.

At most tournaments if a second or subsequent round is going off without a player meeting the posted tee time is the time when the TD looks around, sees 40 or 50 players still milling about tournament central and the parking lot, and then starts telling players to go out to their hole. And then tee off is ten minutes later. This is the norm at tournaments I've played.

Really?? Judging by other comments on this thread I guess this kind of thing happens way more than I realized. Heres how I've been doing it for my tournaments, and ones I keep score for.

We (my lovely wife and I) have hole assignments posted on the score sheets...even for the first round. 1st round is the toughest, but its worth building in a little extra time before the first round to get hole assignments put by each players name on the score sheet, then get those sheets printed. We use a sturdy dry erase board (24" x 36" I believe) that doubles as a magnet board to post the score sheets. We built a scorepointe-type board to put cards in. We put the cards in their appropriate slots, do the players meeting, tell everyone to look at the scoreboard...figure out your hole assignment...grab your cards, get to your hole. And give them about 15 min before the 2 minute warning. We can generally start within 10 minutes of the advertised 1st round tee time.

We dont do a players meeting for the second round, just print and post the scores as soon as we get them done with the hole assignments...plus write a tee time, CTP holes, etc....on the dry erase board. So its totally up to the players to get where they are supposed to be when they are supposed to be there. Plus, we provide lunch on-site so everyone stays at the course...which helps greatly. 3rd round is easy because we do everything the the night before...and get a payout printed to post with scores.

So, we just dont post scores until they are right and hole assignments are right. Sure you have to adjust for people that dont show up, but thats hasnt happened so much that we had to hold up all the players to make adjustments or anything. Computers, a good scoring program, and a printer make these kinds of things SOO much easier, more efficient, and faster. I have an excel spreadsheet I would be happy to send anyone that wants it.

Tee Time means "tee time". It does not mean player meeting and it does not mean two minute warning.

"Is that the real tee time?" I would have trouble keeping a straight face if someone asked me that.

But at least I wouldn't make them pay a quarter.

Michigan disc golf is different from the rest of the country.

That's not a dumb question at all. At most tournaments if a second or subsequent round is going off without a player meeting the posted tee time is the time when the TD looks around, sees 40 or 50 players still milling about tournament central and the parking lot, and then starts telling players to go out to their hole. And then tee off is ten minutes later. This is the norm at tournaments I've played.



Must be a regional thing. I've never seen or heard of this happening.

Around here, TDs post a sign with the next-round tee time. Sometime they're a few minutes late with the horn, but that's about it.

We get the question while cards are coming in. The answer is always "no earlier than 1 hour from now" until the last card comes in and we write the time on the board.

maybe tournaments run a little tighter in va than michigan/illinois.

Having worked as tournament staff in both the State of Michigan and the Commonwealth of Virginia, I can verify that this is true.