3RD ANNUAL PLAY IT AGAIN SPORTS OPEN
BICENTENNIAL PARK CROWLEY, TEXAS
JUNE 13-14 2009
2 DAY PDGA B-TIER EVENT & 2010 SOUTHERN NATIONAL QUALIFIER
GUARANTEED AT LEAST $1500.00 TO THE OPEN CHAMPION
2 DAYS...60 HOLES
1 ROUND OF 30 HOLES EACH DAY. YOU WILL GET 2 RATED ROUNDS FOR EACH ROUND.
4 RATED ROUNDS TOTAL
THIS EVENT WILL BE CAPPED AT 175 PLAYERS!

ALL DIVISIONS ARE OFFERED EXCEPT NOVICE & JUNIORS
YOU MUST HAVE AT LEAST 4 PLAYERS TO CREATE A DIVISION

YOU MUST BE REGISTERED FOR THIS EVENT BY MIDNIGHT, THURSDAY JUNE 11, 2009!!!!!
NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU CAN REGISTER ONLINE AT WWW.TitleDISC.COM

THIS TOURNAMENT WILL BE RAN WITH TEE TIMES. WE EXPECT TEE TIMES TO GO FROM 8:00 A.M. - 4:00 P.M. SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.

TEE TIMES WILL BE POSTED ONLINE AND AT THE COURSE BY NOON ON FRIDAY. JUNE 12.

WE WILL HAVE REFRESHMENT TENTS SET OUT THROUGH THE COURSE FREE TO THE PLAYERS. WE WILL HAVE WATER, GATORADE, SODAS, FRUIT, GRANOLA BARS AND MORE....

THIS YEAR WE WILL BE GIVING AWAY AT LEAST $2000.00 WORTH OF CTP'S.
POLO SHIRTS
T-SHIRTS
HATS
CARD GAMES
DISCS
MINI BASKET
3 INNOVA TRAVELER BASKETS

THIS EVENT HAS FILLED THE FIRST TWO YEARS AND WE EXPECT IT TO FILL AGAIN THIS YEAR. GET SIGNED UP NOW!!!!!!!!!

Bump ...........

Here's a link to the current registration....

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8742

If i'm not in Boston, i'll be in Crowley! Yippee to both possibilities.

but ****, who plays 30 holes in a round? Oh yeah #'s thing? :(

If i'm not in Boston, i'll be in Crowley! Yippee to both possibilities.

But John you know Crowley would be more fun!!!!! :)

Went and played the course for the first time the other day. I like the hills. Also did you know those power lines sound like bacon cooking when it is raining? My second practice round got canceled since the storm sirens went off and I had to make to 2.5hr trip back home. So what tees will be used for which division? Can't wait and plan on signing up soon.

Jack Teefertiller is signed up? Man, I haven't seem him in ages. I doubt that we would recognize each other!

Every player in the tournament will play the white tees on Saturday.

Open, Pro Masters, Pro Women, Advanced men and women will play All Red Tees on Sunday.

Pro Grand Master, Adv. Master, Adv. Grandmaster, Intermediate, Rec., any Senior Grandmasters will play All Blue Tees on Sunday.

This format has worked well for us in the past so we will use it again.

Jack Teefertiller is signed up? Man, I haven't seem him in ages. I doubt that we would recognize each other!

Hey Bill, T has played here the last couple of years. He has been playing again quite a bit lately.

Come on out and play this one, we usually have a great GM field. You guys might end up in the same first round group. ;)

well i guess the guaranteed $1500.00 is going to go to me since I am the only open player signed up. Sweet, I could use the money.

well i guess the guaranteed $1500.00 is going to go to me since I am the only open player signed up. Sweet, I could use the money.

I'll be moving Up!!

well i guess the guaranteed $1500.00 is going to go to me since I am the only open player signed up. Sweet, I could use the money.

I guess there will also be a few GM's moving DOWN to Open too :):):)

I guess there will also be a few GM's moving DOWN to Open too :):):)

that sounds ok to me

Any recomendations on a good hotel near the park?

If i'm not in Bah'ston, i'll be in Crowley!

well we definitely hope to see you in Crowley for this event John

The tourney is coming fast!!! Just 3 weeks out and Brice said the course is looking sweet!!!

Here is the updated registration: http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8742

Played the course again this weekend. There was one hole I can't remember maybe 6 or 7 that we could not find the other tees for. We found the blue tee on top the hill. Do all holes have 3 tees? Also I shot better from the white tees than the blues, lol!

Also for the titledic admin:
The player - John "DinoRoger" Syme 39774 should not have the "DinoRoger" in the title. I used my account to sign him up since he did not have a PC.

Also what time do we need to show up at the park Saturday? Coming from out of town.

We also drove over from McKinney and played the course on Saturday morning! Man is it a butt kicker. I could not seem to get a 3 to save my life, especially in the middle 10-12 holes. I shot well on the back 6 and the front 3, but everything else just thumped me.

I read that tee times would be posted on the Friday before so that will give you an indication of what time to show up on Saturday. This one is going to be fun! Even though I have never been able to play an event at Crowley, I know Brice does a bang up job and runs a first class event.

man o man.....sponsorships are just rolling in for this event.
Just a reminder....less than 2 weeks to sign up for the 09 PIASO. You MUST be registered by midnight on Thursday June 11 or you won't be able to play in this event. We do the early registration because we are going to use tee times for the tourney. All tee times will be posted by NOON on Friday. They will be posted both on this website and at the course.

Sign up today!!!!!!!!!

www.TitleDisc.com

man o man.....sponsorships are just rolling in for this event.
Just a reminder....less than 2 weeks to sign up for the 09 PIASO. You MUST be registered by midnight on Thursday June 11 or you won't be able to play in this event. We do the early registration because we are going to use tee times for the tourney. All tee times will be posted by NOON on Friday. They will be posted both on this website and at the course.

Sign up today!!!!!!!!!

www.TitleDisc.com


Remember what Brice said "YOU MUST BE REGISTERED FOR THIS EVENT BY MIDNIGHT, THURSDAY JUNE 11, 2009!!!!!

NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU CAN REGISTER ONLINE AT WWW.TitleDISC.COM

WE EXPECT TEE TIMES TO GO FROM 8:00 A.M. - 4:00 P.M. SATURDAY AND SUNDAY.

TEE TIMES WILL BE POSTED ONLINE (on this thread and on the tournament results page) AND AT THE COURSE BY NOON ON FRIDAY. JUNE 12.

only 43 players signed up right now.....REALLY???????????????
Less than a week to get signed up for this high quality event.

Lots of added CASH...........Lots of added PRIZES.
Great Payout for all divisions.

AMAZING.....$1,500 COLD HARD CASH for the Men's Open Division winner. 1 week away with registration ending Thursday at Midnight and there are 8 Open Players.

8 (EIGHT) Open players???????????????????? You guys must not want to play for the cash.

Has Brice wasted his time going out and busting the doors to raise almost $4,000 in cash to add to the Pro purse, in one of the tightest economies we've seen in several decades, to make something good for the Open division all for nothing?

If you haven't noticed, folks are canceling NT Events for lack of sponsors!!!!

I say if at least 30 of you Open players don't show, Brice should give the money to charity instead of wasting his time trying to make a great event for you guys.

8 Open players pre-registered that is a real slap in the face to a hard working TD.

I say "Register or be ashamed!"

Here is the list: http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8742

I played a few rounds at Bicentennial this week and noticed a lot of course maintenance had taken place. Very nice job of shaping the fairways - espicially on #12. Those blues are going to be fun!

Paris, TX representing with 4 players. Sorry I could not find you any open players though. Hoping you see a mad rush of registrations in the next few days.

Paris, TX representing with 4 players. Sorry I could not find you any open players though. Hoping you see a mad rush of registrations in the next few days.

No need to apologize. Ams always represent at Crowley. It's the Open players that really need to hear the message above. They are always complaining about payout and then when someone busts their butt to get it, most of them (not all) don't show any consideration at all by pre-registering.

Enough said!

I will be there assuming I can get there but that shouldn't be a problem.

Guess I am going to bust out my credit card which I HATE to do................................................ .but for that Sweetheart Longerbone it is just a little price to pay.

No need to apologize. Ams always represent at Crowley. It's the Open players that really need to hear the message above. They are always complaining about payout and then when someone busts their butt to get it, most of them (not all) don't show any consideration at all by pre-registering.

Enough said!

I greatly appreciate the effort that Brice has put into getting sponsorship and raising money for the pro purse.

Maybe it's the fact that a lot of Open players don't want to play a round of 30 holes on a course that has 20+ hole that are twoable. We enjoy the challenge of a tough course that brings out your complete game, not just who's going to make all their putts and have a great round. There's a 2 day c-tier here at Circle C that will probably keep most local Open players from making the trip up to Crowley because Circle C is an awesome par 64 course. Also it's hot as hell these days in Texas.

I will be there again this year, hopefully making putts to get some of that added cash.

What time will Open players start teeing? Wondering if I can drive up Saturday morning and only get a room for that night.

you must be smoking something Joe....The red course at Crowley is not an easy birdie fest. I bet that you will play 60 holes and will barely finish under par.

Hey Brice, I can't make it to the tourney. I have asked baldguy to reimburst my account. Please take me off the ADV list so someone else can have my spot. I'm sure this tourney will fill. Good Luck and thanks for all that you do in Big D Town.

Super D

you must be smoking something Joe....The red course at Crowley is not an easy birdie fest. I bet that you will play 60 holes and will barely finish under par.

You know I'm smoking the GOOD stuff, but how much do you want to bet? Two years ago I shot -16 out of 27 holes one round and was like -24 going into the final 9. Last year I played like crap the first round playing with some dude who was playing his first ever pdga event and didn't know the rules.

I got $100 that says I shoot under par for the tourney if you or anyone else wants to lose some money.

Now back to smoking and winning this poker tourney.

You know I'm smoking the GOOD stuff, but how much do you want to bet? Two years ago I shot -16 out of 27 holes one round and was like -24 going into the final 9. Last year I played like crap the first round playing with some dude who was playing his first ever pdga event and didn't know the rules.

I got $100 that says I shoot under par for the tourney if you or anyone else wants to lose some money.

Now back to smoking and winning this poker tourney.


Yeah I agree with Joe! The guy is always staying Prime and he can can get a few birdies with a Piranha on that course..

Last year I shot like 11 or something my 1st time through then -6 or 7 in the high winds during the event.

Scooter....the only time you have played the Crowley course was when all the baskets were in their short pin positions. It's a little different in the longs.


Joe...when you shot -16 on 27 holes in the short pin positions. You were almost a 1000 rated player.

I will be at the course on Tuesday night for the 6:00 mini if anyone wants to sign up in person.

Tuesday night mini
All Blue tees
$10.00 entry

Looks good for Johnny. Don't think the Boston trip is happening until Aug or Sept!

only 2 days left to sign up for this event.

Played Crowley's mini tonight and the course looks great!!

Looks good for Johnny. Don't think the Boston trip is happening until Aug or Sept!

So when you signing up?

just a reminder!!!!
you only have until midnight on Thursday night to sign up for this event.
We will NOT be taking any entry's after midnight on Thursday.
NO EXCEPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tee times will be posted on Friday

So when you signing up?

Tonight, after the GV mini!

I don't really get it but there seems to be pretty much nobody going from Houston. Don't worry I will get there anyway and will sign up tomorrow.

Bradley Williams is looking for a place to stay or camp. Any suggestions?

Whew, $100 for a B-tier is a little steep but my fat ace is officially in nonetheless. Thanks TitleDisc and PIAS!

Whew, $100 for a B-tier is a little steep but my fat ace is officially in nonetheless. Thanks TitleDisc and PIAS!



$100?!?!?!?!?

Oh well as long as it all doesn't go to 1st place.

Hey Silliman I just paid for my lesson. I'll see ya Saturday. Open Master here I come.

Hey Hammer!!It's going to be fun!!

Hey Silliman I just paid for my lesson. I'll see ya Saturday. Open Master here I come.

SWEET! It will be worth every penny of that $100 to see Greggy in Crowley!

Open Master here I come.bout time you moved up BAGGER :eek:

$100 for 60 holes does seem a bit steep ($1.67/hole), but at least it cheaper than Pro Worlds this year - $210 for 108 holes = $1.94/hole. Of course, if you looked at it as $50/round vs $35/round at WDGC, it might look a little different.

The Crowley course is one that is better played during a tournament, since you have a greater likelihood of having someone in your group having actual knowledge of where the tees and holes are! How long has that course been there, and there are very few signs on the course itself. I went out a couple of weeks ago, and got frustrated very quickly after hole 5, trying to figure out where the next long tees and the holes for those tees were. I guess I should pick cooler weather to play an unfamiliar course. My bad. Have fun this weekend!

The Crowley course has been there for about 8 years. The course was originally a 9 hole course that had small tee signs on every hole. The course is now a 20 hole course and will soon be a 27 hole course. Tee signs, concrete tee pads, benches, trash cans and a new information board will be installed at the course later this summer.

For right now, there is a HUGE map on the information board right next to hole 1 tee pad. You could take a picture of the map on your cell phone and then retreive it when you need it. at least that's what I have seen some people do.

I saw the HUGE map on the information board when I pulled up. Unfortunately, my cell phone no takee pictures.

Glad to read that tee signs will be going in soon. That will make a HUGE improvement for new players to the course and to the game to want to return. No complaints about the course design, except that I had to putt on one hole from my knees because I couldn't stand up under the bridge :) When I surveyed the hole, I thought, "They wouldn't have put the basket on the OTHER side of the bridge, would they?" They did, hee, hee.

One fairly inexpensive thing I have seen on a course is a small concrete arrow under the basket pointing the direction to the next hole. I forgot the course a small church course in Round Rock, TX. This little feature was very helpful and for courses without signs or even with signs it makes a big impact for new players to that course. I played Crowly 4 times now and still have not found all the tee boxes. I believe it was hole #5 or #6 on top the hills where we found one color tee box but could not find the other colors.

That's the same spot where I started having trouble finding tee boxes, but hopefully, the new tee signs will help.

Since they have multiple pins and tees, it would be complicated to put in a bunch of those concrete arrows. What I have seen that I liked was an arrow sign attached to the pole below the basket that could be adjusted if the basket was moved.

When there are multiple tees, the arrow should point to the "standard" tee, which is usually the one with the tee sign. Once you get there, the tee sign should help you locate the alternate tees and pins.

Yeah the concrete arrow gives the varied direction not pointing at a particular tee box. I guess if cheap enough you could create a colored arrow for each.

is there a ballpark estimate of what the range of tee times for each division will be?

i want to sign up, but i need to have a better idea what time i'll be done on sunday. i have other plans that take precedence. i seem to remember open being the last of the tee times last year...is that true again? if so i would be ok (not playing open)

Will there be doubles tomorrow? If the info is posted somewhere I missed it.

Kevin McGill

is there a ballpark estimate of what the range of tee times for each division will be?

i want to sign up, but i need to have a better idea what time i'll be done on sunday. i have other plans that take precedence. i seem to remember open being the last of the tee times last year...is that true again? if so i would be ok (not playing open)

Yes Open will tee last. As far as exact times, that will be determined when we have a true entry count.

Will there be doubles tomorrow? If the info is posted somewhere I missed it.

Kevin McGill

Yes, probably flex start from about 2 til last group out about 6.

I saw the HUGE map on the information board when I pulled up. Unfortunately, my cell phone no takee pictures.




Is it one of those Miami Vice Phones?

when will tee times be posted?
Looking to leave Saturday morning....and a INT is riding with.
See yah soon

tee times will be posted by NOON today.

tee times will be posted by NOON today.

What time is the before game meeting?

I will have a complete rules sheet to pass out to the players. Everything that you need to know is on those sheets. OB's, hole to hole rules, course format, ace pot questions....

Love the Rules Sheet - almost like a "tips and tricks" sheet.

Tee-Times are now posted on the link below:

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8742

FYI,

Since the tee times are in 8 minutes increments, it appears that the round is expected to last 4 hours (8min/hole x 30 holes x 1hour/60min).

So are the tee times and groups the same for the second day round also?

Hopefully the Open guys have the early round tomorrow. That heat was brutal!!!! All of the water was gone by the time open hit the course. One thing went well, I did manage to get an ace. :D

Nice shot, John! I played dbls at Fritz this PM and it was hot there as well!

Hope you can make it to Samuell Grand next Saturday. Heck, hope _I_ can make it to Samuell Grand next Saturday!

Will tee times be posted tonight?

When will tee times be posted?

tee times will be around the time you started sat.- give or take 45 minutes or so.

Congrats to DJ for yet another Grand Masters WIN!!!!!!

Pros start in a one hour +

Well how was it? Wish I could have made it!

I really want to thank everyone that played in the 3rd annual PIASO. We had a total of 143 players, which was more than the first year but lees than the second. The course looked fantastic thanks to Doug "the Mayor" Fritz, Zak Flynn, Issac Hagwood and whoever else helped. Doug really worked his tail off before this event, so it was a really sad moment when Doug had to drop out of the event due to overheating. I also want to thank Derrick Taylor for stepping up and helping us out with the water and other tournament procedures.

Congrats to Coda Hatfield for taking home the $1500.00 for the win.
J.D. Ramirez took home a cool $1000.00 for second place.
NOT TOO BAD FOR A LITTLE B-TIER IN CROWLEY.
I sure do like the fact that we pay out more money than most A-Tiers and some NT events.
Maybe next year we will have some more touring pros that want to compete for that money.

My only heartburn with this event is that I had to DNF a sponsored player because he intentionally quit a hole. I didn't want to do that, but rules are rules.


Spill the beans! Who "quit" a hole and why.

Spill the beans! Who "quit" a hole and why.

Probably me. :confused:

I stepped in a hole by the tee on our 26th hole and twisted my ankle and knee. Managed to get my throws off though the last hole where I hit a tree and took a nasty kick left. Went and threw my next shot off a downslope and twisted up the leg even worse.

As I walked back up the hill by the tee I found out the tree I hit was a mando that I missed. At that point I really didn't want to put any more stress on my leg and cause some major damage.

So I walked the hole in with the group, took the card in after all the scores were checked and explained my situation to the score keeper. Brice wasn't around so I didn't get to explain it to the TD directly.

Was it the best thing to do? No. But in order to prevent further damage it was the right thing in my opinion.

Thanks for an awesome tournament to Tom and Brice. The more i play Crowley, the more I think it's becoming one of my favorite courses. Thanks to Brice for spending the time and bringing the big bucks to the pro division by going out there and hustling for sponsorship. It's a lot of work to run a tourney, and it's a lot of faith to keep doing it year after year. Kudos to every that helped make this fun for everyone. Thanks to Gilbert Cassas and Tom Hamil for personally saving my life....Oh, and the water situation was much better on Sunday...

I think the one thing I did learn about this tournament was that people don't check the UBB boards here as much as the ubergeeks. To me it's just common knowledge to check the threads here, but some people don't have as much internet access and might be new to the sport and don't know the ins and outs of where to look to find all the information you need. To be fair, it's frustrating when a tournament thread has 40 pages and you're expected to read through the entire thing to find all the relevant data. I think maybe next year there needs to be some mention of a cutoff on Titledisc or at least a link to read the tournament thread to make sure you don't miss anything. A few people were really steamed that there was no information about a cutoff listed where you register for the event.

Other than that...I'll be back next year for sure...and you better believe I'm gonna register early. heh.

Also, Final Scores?

Thanks to Brice and Tom...Really hard to Run and Play but they did it well. It was nice job by all the volunteers walking around with Water, it was a tad warm. Great Tournament, one others should model.

My 2nd Tournament in a row where someone on my Card had a ACE, first at the Lake (2) and now Crowley (12). Only problem was John wasn't in the Ace Pot, have to Love the Blues.

Also, Final Scores?
Final Scores?

Probably me. :confused:

I stepped in a hole by the tee on our 26th hole and twisted my ankle and knee. Managed to get my throws off though the last hole where I hit a tree and took a nasty kick left. Went and threw my next shot off a downslope and twisted up the leg even worse.

As I walked back up the hill by the tee I found out the tree I hit was a mando that I missed. At that point I really didn't want to put any more stress on my leg and cause some major damage.

So I walked the hole in with the group, took the card in after all the scores were checked and explained my situation to the score keeper. Brice wasn't around so I didn't get to explain it to the TD directly.

Was it the best thing to do? No. But in order to prevent further damage it was the right thing in my opinion.

Sorry to hear about that Don. I hope you recover.

Scores are posted

Cutoff WAS posted on Titledisc and on here. People just don't read.

ok just so I understand you Dont have to hole out a hole take a 2 stroke penalty then continue the tournament? so how do you know what the score on the hole you just did not hole out on? he should have taken a 999 DNF for not holing out. Oh well another incident where the PDGA tucks it's tail and sides with a sponsored player.. what a shame. I feel sorry for the guys that got bumped out of payout or knocked down the payout list.. we wonder why no one bothers to report infractions in our sport. :confused:


i dont see how 803.13 (2) applies since inadvertently means = Done unintentionally, accidentally, often with no one accepting blame.


(2) Inadvertently failing to hole out (as
determined by a majority of the group or
an offi cial) shall result in 2 penalty throws
being added to the number of throws
plus penalty throws already taken on the
hole. The hole shall then be considered
completed.

ok just so I understand you Dont have to hole out a hole take a 2 stroke penalty then continue the tournament? so how do you know what the score on the hole you just did not hole out on? he should have taken a 999 DNF for not holing out. Oh well another incident where the PDGA tucks it's tail and sides with a sponsored player.. what a shame. I feel sorry for the guys that got bumped out of payout or knocked down the payout list.. we wonder why no one bothers to report infractions in our sport. :confused:


i dont see how 803.13 (2) applies since inadvertently means = Done unintentionally, accidentally, often with no one accepting blame.


(2) Inadvertently failing to hole out (as
determined by a majority of the group or
an offi cial) shall result in 2 penalty throws
being added to the number of throws
plus penalty throws already taken on the
hole. The hole shall then be considered
completed.


He did take a 999.

when you play casual golf, do you always putt the 2 footer or do you just pick it up and walk away and treat it as a gimme.

Can it be possible that someone would do the same in a tournament by accident?
Could it be possible that someone could get so irrate that they don't even know what they are talking about, while playing in a tournament?

yes those are possible but from what I heard he knew what he did and did not care. so that is not inadvertent. and this was not casual play, either way I putt the 2 footers left handed :eek:

scores show he did not get 999. but actaully CASHED

I am still curious how you get a score to add the 2 stroke penalty too. is it if you are inside a certain distance to the basket and they say well you would have made that for your 5 so lets give you a 7 ???????? or is it Par plus 2.. I need to know so next time I am throwing more then par plus 2 on a hole I can just pick up and go to the next hole and just say give me the 2 stroke penalty and act like I did it inadvertently


and your post on facebook says "for intentionally quitting a hole...." so that tells us he knew what he was doing... oh well. must be nice to be sponsored.

Now I am lost.

Don has a 999 by his name.

Who was the "sponsored" player? Don is a member of Team DD, so that made since at first. I guess we are talking about Coda, JD, Matt, Devan or Miles. They are the only players sponsored by a disc company that cashed in Open.

First of all Brice let me say THANK YOU for all that you did to pull of a really well ran tournament.We all as players sometimes expect too much.But you and your staff went above and beyond normal expectations.

As far as the crap youve had to deal with over a player CLEARLY QUITING a hole by INTENTIONALLY NOT putting out.That has to be a tough spot.I respect your decision to not DNF the player in question.As far as his reasoning goes I CALL BULL$#IT !!! We ALL KNOW (the guys on the card) WHAT REALLY HAPPENED.For a sponsored touring player to pull the kind of crap you pulled this weekend is laughable.The next time you decide to pick up because of your anger and lack of knowledge as to what you thought you were getting for your money.JUST KEEP WALKING TO THE CAR and GET BACK ACROSS the BORDER and save everyone involved the headache that you created.Your a hell of a player.But you sure as hell showed a side NO ONE respects.What a way to earn $150.00.

THANKS AGAIN Brice for all your hard work.

Must have been Mitch?

Tough call to make there "Bone" better you then me.

Sponsorship aside Brice made the best call for the situation at hand.We as players did not handle it the way we should have in several different ways.That being said.The player in question certainly was not honest about his actions.Ultimately being "SPONSORED" had nothing to do with the decision Brice made.I think its unfortunate that it just happened to be a sponsored player.

If the hole is not finished then how can you say someone gets a 5 plus 2?How do we know he got a 5?He just picked up?

Now I am lost.

Don has a 999 by his name.

Who was the "sponsored" player? Don is a member of Team DD, so that made since at first. I guess we are talking about Coda, JD, Matt, Devan or Miles. They are the only players sponsored by a disc company that cashed in Open.

http://www.innovadiscs.com/team/mitch.html

Must have been Mitch?

Tough call to make there "Bone" better you then me.


ding ding.. ;)

If the hole is not finished then how can you say someone gets a 5 plus 2?How do we know he got a 5?He just picked up?
yes please someone answer this question because the next tough hole I am playing like crap on I may just pick up and save a few strokes. :eek:

Brad as for the sponsorship part of this I am saying was due to I am sure the PDGA was looking for loop holes so Brice would change his call. not 100% sure but brice said after talking to the PDGA he then changed his call.

I think Calvert Campbell's favorite hole was hole 19 RED. his last hole of the tourny.

I think the PDGA needs to come up with a set of rules that is just crystal clear.

Thats a novel idea Brice !! Good luck with all of that. Until they do its up to the TDs to have the fortitude to stand for what they believe is right.TD discretion sometimes is over rated in the eyes of the powers that be.As far as Im concerned the PDGA did whatever they could to sway the decision to the players favor."THE RULES ARE SETUP TO THE BENEFIT THE PLAYER."Is that always best for the game or the players competeing on the up and up?Whos tto say?The loop hole that is there was certainly used to its fullest in this situation.

Wow!!!!!!!!! Three post in one day Brad. That's 60% of your career posting and the last time you posted, well someone all most had to get hurt! LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

You are one funny S.O.B. Wooten!!!Funny how drama like this gets people all fired up.Just as long as the shank doesnt have to come out.

If the hole is not finished then how can you say someone gets a 5 plus 2?How do we know he got a 5?He just picked up?

If a hole is not finished on purpose, the player DNF's.

Taking par plus 4 is for being late and missing your first "x" amount of holes. If a players starts a round he must finish the round otherwise it is a DNF. Period.

WOW.Another player that seems to know the rules that are printed in the rule book provided by the sanctioning body that is suppose to govern fairly.Funny how THEY seem to have forgotten how to interpret THERE very own rules!!!

WOW.Another player that seems to know the rules that are printed in the rule book provided by the sanctioning body that is suppose to govern fairly.Funny how THEY seem to have forgotten how to interpret THERE very own rules!!!



Now if they walk to the next hole and he left his disc by the basket and it was scored a 5 I am 90% sure he would take a 7 for incorrect play and not a DNF. In this situation though when you just pick up and walk on then yeah it is a DNF no doubt.

when you play casual golf, do you always putt the 2 footer or do you just pick it up and walk away and treat it as a gimme.

Can it be possible that someone would do the same in a tournament by accident?
Could it be possible that someone could get so irrate that they don't even know what they are talking about, while playing in a tournament?


could it be that texas heat can make people lose they **** mind?



yes, this is a rhetorical question....

From what I have heard it is a little different then stories above... A player not finishing a hole is definitely not right... But it was a tap in, and he said the only person to see him do it was Ron Silliman... So he strokes himself after Ron brings it up...And you bring it forward as an issue once completion of the tournament... Of course most players behind him would want to move up a spot in cash, kind of weird how it was handled... Not at all supporting how he acted, but you can handle it in a different way...

Usually when making a rules call the PDGA doesn't know the name when making a call!!!

to the td, i am sorry to hear all of this. i was told sunday. the problem with the rules is that they are merely official suggested guidelines for play. unfortunately, your event has become another reminder. also, do not feel alone. you needn't complete the tournament when competing at bg ams either.


regardless, does mitch realize he is a legend of the game? maybe this was the problem?

or he was a legend of the game and this is the problem?

Let's look at the Rules, ladies and germs:

803.13 Holing Out

A. A player who fails to play any hole or fails to hole out on any hole during the round may be disqualified, at the discretion of the director...

Note that the player _MAY_ be DQ'd, and it is at the discretion of the TD, so those of you that are arguing that the TD made the wrong call are mistaken, and I say this not knowing who it was, or knowing if the TD DQ'd him or not.

(2) of above rule, which list guidelines for the TD to use, states: Indavertently failing to hole out (as determined by a majority of the group or an official) shall result in 2 penalty throws being added to the number of throws plus penalty throws already taken on the hole. The hole shall then be considered complete.

Some have stated that part (3) should have been used which is: Intentionally failing to hole out (emergency, injury, plane flight, etc.) constitutes withdrawl from competition.

Clearly, all of the example shown are when the player has stopped competing, not when a player failed to hole out, then continued the round to its completion. Heck, at the Harmony Hills event this year, it ran later than I thought it would, and I had to leave early. I knew the exact moment I picked up my drive that I would be DNF and get a 999 for the round, and I was fine with that.

So, knowing that the decision is at the discretion of the TD, you can still not agree with what the TD did, but you _should not_ say that the TD made the wrong decision, whatever that decision was.

I think Calvert Campbell's favorite hole was hole 19 RED. his last hole of the tourny.

Day 2 since the tournament and no sign of Calvert..I'm thinking that Calvert needs to write a story on that hole

wow

I would like to hear that story about Calvert

Coda I am pretty sure the PDGA knew who the player was. this is another reason why people do not call infractions or report them as the PDGA will not stand behind the reporter but the reportee and it makes the person who made the call look like he is an *** oh well another missed call by the PDGA

Your probably right seewhere, but I have had to deal with this situation before. Same result, but the PDGA didn't want any names in that case. They just wanted to know what happend and made a call (which was 2 strokes) and this was a 20ft putt that was picked up!!! Just the way some of the masters talked and handled the situation was weird, seemed like they were trying to take advantage of the situation!!! You should handle this when it happens not 30 something holes later after completion of the tournament!!!

Whats even more weird is that you Coda are getting the facts confused with what REALLY happened!!!Your getting your buddies side of the story and thats fine but dont let that fool you.Did we handle it correctly NO!Did Mitch tell the exact truth NO!!! So DONT get all confused and start levying judgement on how we tried to take advantage of the situation!!!You only know the twisted version of the story.50 DOLLARS is what its costing me!!BIG F'en Deal!!!Most of us could give 2 S#!ts less about fifty bucks.What we do care about is people acting like its ok to pick up and walking off a hole then expecting us to like the fact there doing it!!Get the REAL story then tell us we are taking advantage of the situation.And if just a TAP IN TAP IT IN AND MOVE ON!!!A player with his skills should be able to do that...SHOULDNT HE???

anyone read mitch;s advice on his innova page.... classic :) :D

So, which one of you guys was privy to the conversation had with "the PDGA", whatever than means? If you were, speak up and let us know, for it will give what you post here some weight, vs. what is being posted now.

I would like to hear that story about Calvert

Brice, you talking bout the tourney or my last hole? cuz neither went well. Well I started out good, actually competing well with 2 of Texas best being Grider/Seaborn, and actually besting them thru the 1st 15. That was an awesome experience playing with those 2. It was hot and there was no water, was cramping in my calves the last 8-10 holes, but I'm not mad, hope Doug is ok and doing better.

Sunday was playing some real bad golf. The 1st 15 holes were garage. Was taking 4s and 5s like tic tacs. The last round of 15, I was actually playing good golf and was only 3 over with 2 holes to finish the tourney. Had I finished par par, I would have got like another 1000 rated or close to that, but instead I went took a 4, then...............13, that right, took a 13 on the last hole. This is what you really wanted to know Brice. Well that gap was inviting and invited my 1st 5 drives into a tree/tree limbs/more limbs/across the creek twice and roll back in the water/and all 5 flopping into the creek. I finally wise up and throw over the trees for my 6th throw which was actually 11, and easily take my upshot and putt out for a 13 with 5 circles. I was not even close to the money so you just got to laugh about that I guess. Not sure why I didn't throw over the 1st time.

I'll be back next year, smarter

Brice, you talking bout the tourney or my last hole? cuz neither went well. Well I started out good, actually competing well with 2 of Texas best being Grider/Seaborn, and actually besting them thru the 1st 15. That was an awesome experience playing with those 2. It was hot and there was no water, was cramping in my calves the last 8-10 holes, but I'm not mad, hope Doug is ok and doing better.

Sunday was playing some real bad golf. The 1st 15 holes were garage. Was taking 4s and 5s like tic tacs. The last round of 15, I was actually playing good golf and was only 3 over with 2 holes to finish the tourney. Had I finished par par, I would have got like another 1000 rated or close to that, but instead I went took a 4, then...............13, that right, took a 13 on the last hole. This is what you really wanted to know Brice. Well that gap was inviting and invited my 1st 5 drives into a tree/tree limbs/more limbs/across the creek twice and roll back in the water/and all 5 flopping into the creek. I finally wise up and throw over the trees for my 6th throw which was actually 11, and easily take my upshot and putt out for a 13 with 5 circles. I was not even close to the money so you just got to laugh about that I guess. Not sure why I didn't throw over the 1st time.

I'll be back next year, smarter

Calvert,

Sorry about the bad rounds, glad to hear you enjoyed your first round grouping though, but I had to laugh with the 13.

See you soon....we'll have the new layout at the Simmons center final soon, hope you'll come up and check it out.

Tom

So, which one of you guys was privy to the conversation had with "the PDGA", whatever than means? If you were, speak up and let us know, for it will give what you post here some weight, vs. what is being posted now.

I personally spoke with the PDGAs tour director and the TD.I was there when the infraction happened.I know what was said and what wasnt said.I also know what the truth of the matter is along with the other guys on the card!As far as Im concerned the rest of whats being said is all conjecture and hearsay.So take it for what its worth.I KNOW NOTHING IS GOING TO CHANGE THE FACTS!!!

True dat! Nothing EVER changes the facts! And that includes the fact that it was the TD's call to make, and if anyone didn't like it, they can file one of those event comments sheets, or whatever they are, in hopes that "the PDGA" will take notice and take appropriate actions, if any.

Brice, you talking bout the tourney or my last hole? cuz neither went well. Well I started out good, actually competing well with 2 of Texas best being Grider/Seaborn, and actually besting them thru the 1st 15. That was an awesome experience playing with those 2. It was hot and there was no water, was cramping in my calves the last 8-10 holes, but I'm not mad, hope Doug is ok and doing better.

Sunday was playing some real bad golf. The 1st 15 holes were garage. Was taking 4s and 5s like tic tacs. The last round of 15, I was actually playing good golf and was only 3 over with 2 holes to finish the tourney. Had I finished par par, I would have got like another 1000 rated or close to that, but instead I went took a 4, then...............13, that right, took a 13 on the last hole. This is what you really wanted to know Brice. Well that gap was inviting and invited my 1st 5 drives into a tree/tree limbs/more limbs/across the creek twice and roll back in the water/and all 5 flopping into the creek. I finally wise up and throw over the trees for my 6th throw which was actually 11, and easily take my upshot and putt out for a 13 with 5 circles. I was not even close to the money so you just got to laugh about that I guess. Not sure why I didn't throw over the 1st time.

I'll be back next year, smarter

Wow I remember you saying you were about to shoot a 11 when I was by the picnic tables. I though you were pulling my leg. Sorry for the bad break.

Brice, you talking bout the tourney or my last hole? cuz neither went well.


Just wanted to clarify what I said above, When I said "you talking bout the tourney or my last hole, neither went well" I did not mean the tourney did not go well, I meant the way I played the tourney did not go well.

The tourney was great! Brice and Tom and all the help did a fantastic job!!

just a little side note....

we paid out a total of $5,670.00 to ten players at the PIASO. "B-Tier Event"
There was another A-Tier event the same weekend that paid $5,567.00 to 22 players.

5th place in Crowley took home more than 3rd in Co.

good job Brice

Like to say thanks to Calvert..He had no problem in finishing his hole ...Sportsmanship...

This is probably a Chuck Kennedy question, but looking at the scores, how much different would they have been if reported as two rounds of 30 holes each, instead of four rounds of 15 holes? As it is, each stroke is worth somewhere between 10-13 points. I'm guessing that if reported as rounds of 30 holes, this differential would drop to roughly half, and ratings would be far more compressed.

Does this formula encourage score inflation (both up and down) vs. longer rounds? I ask, because a lot of rounds on 27-hole courses seem to have score deflation because of the high number of holes... this is the first workaround I've seen, and I'm wondering what the results would look like for the same scores just reported differently... how does the math change with the round breakout?