Event #3 of the
2009 Heart of Texas Tour
H.O.T.T.

A Double Take of the 2nd Annual Manor Championship
1, two-day PDGA C-tier

1st Take
Saturday April 25th
in Manor, TX

Divisions Offered:
Cash Payout
Open Pro
Pro Women
Pro Master
Pro Grandmaster
Trophies & Player Packs Payout
Intermediate Men

Format:
Shotgun Start
2 rounds of 18
9:00 a.m. Players Meeting
9:30 a.m. Start



Take 2
Sunday April 26th
in Manor, TX

Divisions Offered:
Merchandise/Voucher Payout
Advanced Men
Advanced Women
Advanced Master
Advanced Grandmaster
Trophies and Player Packs Payout
Recreational Men
Recreational Women

Format:

Shotgun Start
2 rounds of 18 holes
9:00 a.m. Players' Meeting
9:30 a.m. Start time

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Event #3 of the
2009 Heart of Texas Tour H.O.T.T.

A Double Take of the 2nd Annual Manor Championship

Format:
Shotgun Start
2 rounds of 18
9:00 a.m. Players Meeting
9:30 a.m. Start



bump :D

check is in the mail

TJ,

Could yall post up a players list?

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are you going to use the marked o.b.?

I was told no paint lines.
Just normal "completely surrounded" Water hazards. :cool:

We will not be using the marked OB...that course will punish enough as is

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I know noone wants to go to the trouble to paint the stuff, but I just want to say that the lines made a great course even better.

Well then...if the Legend likes it I should think about a change.........more info soon :D

I wish the creeks where full...then paint not would be even a thought.....natural OB is the best...some day Manor will be the hardest course in the state....rain rain rain

Well then...if the Legend likes it I should think about a change.........more info soon :D


Please do not create fake OB. Just play the course as it is playing. Fake OB is dumb. If there is water then it is OB, if there's not, they there isn't. I think the majority of players agree with me. The course plays slow and hard enough as it is, the last thing we need is players walking up to every basket to check on the OB lines. Instead of concentrating your efforts on creating OB lines just do rain dances.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/news/weather/hurricane/blog/Raindance.jpg

The "Fake OB" as you put it was really nothing more than "How the course was supposed to be in the eyes of the designer." There was nothin hokey; and I caught my share of OB during doubles.

Did you even play the tourney? Sure, I heard people moan about it, maybe it was actually "most people" as you say, but most people are weak and refuse to take ownership for their mistakes. Golfers are generally whiners; let's embrace that.

Mitch, I wasn't trying to start anything; it was mainly aimed at Lala, letting her know that I appreciated her effort to challenge, rather than coddle people. Manor will play just fine without the lines, and then you don't have to hear people whine on top of that.

The "Fake OB" as you put it was really nothing more than "How the course was supposed to be in the eyes of the designer." There was nothin hokey; and I caught my share of OB during doubles.

Did you even play the tourney? Sure, I heard people moan about it, maybe it was actually "most people" as you say, but most people are weak and refuse to take ownership for their mistakes. Golfers are generally whiners; let's embrace that.

Mitch, I wasn't trying to start anything; it was mainly aimed at Lala, letting her know that I appreciated her effort to challenge, rather than coddle people. Manor will play just fine without the lines, and then you don't have to hear people whine on top of that.



Couple of points here ...
1 - The "course designer" should have taken into consideration that the course is in Texas and Texas often goes long periods without water, thus many courses have water some times and do not have water most of the time.
2 - Yes I played the tourney last year.
3 - I don't whine.
4 - If one of my shots goes OB it is never my fault but always the fake OBs fault.
5 - Manor is one of the 10 best courses in Texas!

The tourney with the fake OB in question was this year, a couple of months ago.

What is fake OB?

where you put paint or rope in creek beds to simulate water

What is fake OB?



OB that doesn't really exist but is just marked for the sake of generating OB. Like painting lines where water is "supposed" to be or painting lines just to make a hole harder ... see also fake island holes.

Now back to the tourney talk ....

What is teh course record at Manor from the long tees?

in tournament play I beleive it is 57 anthony damon

Maybe we could make a Texas hole out of Hole 8 - if you don't land on the bridge (which will be dremeled into the shape of Texas) you re-tee.

Just wanted to put my 2 pennies out there about OB at Manor..sounded like a fun little debate. I played Manor a few days ago(using the OB lines) and I loved it. I would call for using the OB lines yet it would be brutal with back ups and those who haven't played the course would be miserable(and yes I agree one should play a course or at least walk the course prior to tournement play). I say play it natural(with the rain we are getting maybe we will have 'real' OB) for now, but start using OB on a few(or even just one 'fake' OB hole for fun) staple holes as the course gets broken in.

Actually kinda cool to think you can play it dry, as it usually is in Texas, or make the course play as though it has had rain without loosing discs(good idea?). I can see it now..."Play the hardest, roughest, toughest course in Texas with more OBs than you've ever seen. We start early and end late..and we redefine 'hurry and wait'. If your mom sais no you may want to sneak out for this one...no #@%*(scarred is the word that goes here of course) disc golfers allowed."

Anyway, that was fun. Sorry I'm so late jumping in on the dialouge.

And by the way I refer to OB as Onerous Burden.

Anyone down for some golf this Sunday in Manor?

We could put together a little Mad Manor Mini :mad:...maybe there is one already and I haven't heard yet. Let me know.

With 3 over being the course record, I don't think you need to add a bunch of OB's. Some of the so called fake ob's are challenging putts from way down in a ravine!

does anyone have directions to the course?

You will also have to give directions to the hole where player's meeting is.....1 or 12?

Are the directions good enough that are on the directory?
would hate to driving all over Texas trying to find this place.

18667 Blake-Manor Rd
Austin, TX 78653

Google brings up a good map

The directions in the course directory are good enough to get there

We will not be using the "fake" OB at Manor

I would personal like to see the course played with full creeks or all of them marked with OB...But last year we had cards of 4 playing 5 hour rounds with 15 minute lunches and no shuffle...I am also thinking about using both shorts and longs for the Pro's

thanks Mitch :D

Well put Mitch. Really look forward to the tourney. I am so glad it is going to be a shotgun start this year...tee time thing really blows 'bubble gum bubbles :o'. Can we get the players list yet?

Which hole is the player's meeting at?

I am really getting pumped up about this tourney... this is going to be my first tournament not in San Antonio.

I am headed to Manor to play and check out the course...I have been talked into looking at the fake OB and then making the call...anyone wants to join 830-392-6060...looking at noon or so

Okay......here are the lists....

Entries are coming in quickly at this point, and there are several I haven't added.
As you can see, there are plenty of spots left for each day.
(72 max each day)

We should be able to take entries Sat. & Sunday morning, no problem; however, if you plan on signing up the morning of, please email or call us so we will be expecting you.

2nd Manor Championship - The Double Take - Take 1 (Saturday)

DivCode First Name Last Name
FPO Jennifer Beazley
FPO Patty Justice
MA2 Zach Mallard
MA2 Brandon Tull
MA2 Dave Wimer
MA2 Gordon Maxim-Kelley
MA2 Zac Tolbert
MA2 Donald Oriti Jr.
MA2 Ray Murray
MA2 Adam Case
MPG Larry Thompson
MPG Neal Dambra
MPM Shannon Fosdick
MPM James McCaine
MPM Joel Kelly
MPM Ken Shepperd
MPM Joe Torrence
MPM Chris Ware
MPM Jeff Cooper
MPO Jayson Houston
MPO Mike Olse
MPO Michael Graham
2nd Manor Championship - The Double Take - Take 2 (Sunday)

DivCode First Name Last Name
FW1 Tiffany Brogdon
FW3 Michele Gold
MA1 Tony Bender
MA1 Phillip Haik
MA1 Chevy Calderon
MA1 Jeremy 'Bird' Grange
MA1 Curt Youngblood
MA1 Garin Wootton
MA1 Scott Hougland
MA1 Matt Kessler
MA3 Shannon Bryant
MA3 Patrick Brogdon
MA3 Jeremy Bryant
MA3 Brazos Pape
MA3 Kit Kaysen
MA3 Bobby Bird
MA3 Kevin Eldredge
MA3 Abel Gonzalez
MA3 Seth Hensley
MA3 Michael Reeve
MA3 Gabriel Farris
MA3 Rush Pape
MA3 John Gravitt
MM1 Rodney Millen
MM1 Matt Harris
MM1 Mike Daman
MM1 Wayne Dillen
MM1 Steve Ellis

Meet at hole #1 .........no Fake OB(some of the lines are gone and would need to be re-painted)....I shot a 64 without and a 66 with the OB...[censored] HOTT out there today.....I left without bleeding...I win

BTW...I really liked the fake OB....I would really like to see some rounds out there with the water full

Could you guys add me to the list of MPM's por favor.

Mitch, could you please put me on the list for MPO? Rob Lowrie #26322

Thanks!

64 and 66 is pretty bueno. El Capitan is rounding back into form.

only 4 mpo :confused:

I felt like I played really well, both times I went OB I was close to the basket...the green on #10 gets me every time

The Parks guys where out there mowing the course...looking nice....I pulled an entire trash bag of cans off of #9's tee box

mitch FYI heard Joe T and El chile will be playing this one also

Thanks. I was out there saturday and saw that. It is a disgrace looking at that trash at nine's box. The mfers leaving that behind should be shot. Lazy pieces of crap.

Back to the regularly scheduled programming. ;)

New players lists up

very nice 14 masters .. thanks

14 old fuds and 4 even older than them. Hmmmm...Sounds like fun. Except for the Manor aspect of it, gotta have some game to do well there. So this one is Sat. not Sun. this time?

yep pros on sat then we can still knock down the $500 on sunday :D

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check in.


Welcome to the
2ND ANNUAL MANOR CHAMPIONSHIP -
�THE DOUBLE TAKE�
This event is the 3rd of six qualifiers for the HOTT Final Bonus.
PLEASE NOTE THAT HEADQUARTERS WILL BE SET UP NEAR HOLE #1

Please be sure to THANK our Sponsors and the HOTT Staff!

FORMAT:
Shotgun start (everyone will start at the same time on different holes)
2 Rounds, 18 holes each

FREE WATER & GATORADE FOR EVERYONE AT HEADQUARTERS
& ON THE COURSE

IT IS IMPORTANT that everyone consider time management, as it will be an
all day issue, & we�d ALL like to finish at a decent hour.

LUNCH � Bring your own, or order Subway at HQ when you check in
$5 Footlong Options � Tuna, Black Forrest Ham, Meatball Marinara, BLT,
Oven Roasted Chicken Breast,
Cold Cut Combo, Spicy Italian, Veggie Delite
DOES NOT INCLUDE SIDES OR DRINKS

Schedule:
Saturday � TAKE 1 � Pro & Intermediate Divisions
8:00 a.m. Late Registration & Check-in
9:00 a.m. Players� Meeting
9:30 a.m. 1st Round Starts
LUNCH � please read details above
2:00 p.m. 2nd Round Starts (subject to change)
5:30 p.m. CTP Contests
6:00 p.m. Awards Ceremony
Sunday � TAKE 2 � Advanced & Recreational Divisions
8:00 a.m. Late Registration & Check-in
9:00 a.m. Players� Meeting
9:30 a.m. 1st Round Starts
LUNCH � please read details above
2:00 p.m. 2nd Round Starts (subject to change)
5:30 p.m. CTP Contests
6:00 p.m. Awards Ceremony

Course Rules:
All PDGA rules apply.
NO 2 Meter Rule
If you are surrounded by water, you are O.B.
IGNORE THE PAINTED LINES � We will not be using the painted O.B��this time J
Please be conscious of the 30 second rule�..this day will be long enough,
trust us.
THIS PARK CLOSES AT 8:30 P.M. THEY CLOSE THE GATES & LOCK �EM. TO GET
OUT, YOU HAVE TO PAY A FINE & they HAVE MADE NO EXCEPTIONS FOR US



Just added....$100 Bounty on a new course record(stands at 57) :D(long tees only)...sponsored by "The Legend"

are there places close by to go to lunch if we arent doing subway?

I don't think there is jack close to the course.

Not much...there is a Sonic in Manor, and a few small local cafe type places

What tees are each division playing (specifically AM1)? I hadn't seen it anywhere and was just curious.

All pro and MA1 play the long tees...everyone else plays the short boxes

great event .......vey well ran event....The Advance fellers are in for a treat

right there with you vinnie . . .thought this was a great event! ! ! i will be trying to play more HOTT tour events.

world class course and TD. Had fun today cant wait for another tourney there. The course looks great. nice bridges everywhere. I think Zoie? cleanded up with here world famous LIMONADE and Chocolate Bars. dang they were good! :D

This course needs to get a premier event! (nothing against this event by premeir I mean NT). It's in better shape than last year and on about half of the holes you just walk to the tee and go WOW!

Yea, and you should see it with some more OB. :D

Yea, and you should see it with some more OB. :D



I could tell. It would have cost me probably 5 additional strokes this weekend had it been in play.

This course needs to get a premier event! (nothing against this event by premeir I mean NT). It's in better shape than last year and on about half of the holes you just walk to the tee and go WOW!



agreed, the course looks great. the rains and subsequent mowing have done wonders but just wait till you see circle c!! it has all manor has to offer and more (beside rock), :( it's almost ready and it's going to raise the bar. the new par 4 holes are perfect additions. olse out did himself on this one.