Let's get this party started!!!

Registration can be found here:

http://www.raleighdiscgolf.com/paypal/proxtown09.html

2009 Pro Dogwood Crosstown Classic

PDGA A-Tier Event Sponsored by RADL
USDGC Qualifier
North Carolina Points Series

April 25th & 26th 2009

Cedar Hills Saturday / Zebulon Sunday
Saturday April 25th Cedar Hills DGC
Players Meeting 9:15 AM / 10 AM Start
2 Rounds
Sunday April 26th Zebulon Community Park
9 AM Start (no players meeting)
2 Rounds

PRE-REGISTRATION IS REQUIRED
ALL REGISTRATIONS WILL NEED TO BE RECEIVED BEFORE 6PM ON WEDNESDAY APRIL 22nd 2009

Entry Fee - $75 for all divisions
All Pro Divisions Offered � Field Limited to 90 players

Please make checks payable to RADL and mail them to:

Pro Dogwood Crosstown 4716 Triple Creek Dr. Raleigh NC 27616

Or pay via PayPal through: www.raleighdiscgolf.com (http://www.raleighdiscgolf.com)

For more info or sponsorship opportunities please use the web address above or contact:

Kirk Yoo
919-219-4613
[email protected]

Glad we are returning to Cedar Hills. I like playing tournaments 4 min from my house.

I'm not. I really like Buckhorn. It keeps all the lefties away. Why no Buck?

I agree. Buckhorn is the best course in the area.

I agree, but I think the majority of people do not like Buckhorn.

I don't get it, but I think as a whole, people will be happier with Cedar Hills.

I am just happier cuz I can get up at 8:00 and still be there in plenty of time.

I believe Buckhorn is the toughest course in our area. I also believe it is the best test of a players skills. However, over the years I have heard nothing but whining about how unfair Buckhorn is. The funny thing is the vast majority of the complaints have come from right handed, top level Pros.

The self proclaimed best thumber in the world has stated that he will never play Buckhorn again. The current #6 player in the World has said he won't come back as long as we play Buckhorn.

So, in an effort to attract some players (including lefties), I have decided to move the Crosstown back to Cedar Hills & Zebulon.

I would love it if people stopped complaining and stepped up with offers to help.

Kirk

You can count on me for scoring assistance and beer Capn.http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I liked Buckhorn when I got to play it at the XTown a couple years ago. It's a shame that whiners get to dictate things for others - maybe I should whine louder - then maybe I'd get my way about stuff ;)

I like Cedar Hills too though - it's just that I've spent 20 years playing Cedar - and Buckhorn is sweet. Oh well - I'll be there either way. The beer (Mystery Brown Ale #1) got its first rack last night (at 2 weeks old - it was really yummy) - should be ready by the end of April - no problem.

I believe Buckhorn is the toughest course in our area. I also believe it is the best test of a players skills. However, over the years I have heard nothing but whining about how unfair Buckhorn is.

...so if I whine about having the tourney at Cedar for the next few years, it may return to Buckhorn one day? Big booo :( Buckhorn is tough but everyone has to play the same course. Just b/c people whine shouldn't make you alter the format, imo. Trust me, there would have been a great turnout had you kept it at Buckhorn, since its a USDGC qualifier. This is the reason for the decrease in attendance in the past couple of years (not being a qualifier) not b/c we were playing Buckhorn.

Kirk, your efforts are much appreciated! Sorry, had to defend the Horn!

Trust me, there would have been a great turnout had you kept it at Buckhorn, since its a USDGC qualifier. This is the reason for the decrease in attendance in the past couple of years (not being a qualifier) not b/c we were playing Buckhorn.

Kirk, your efforts are much appreciated! Sorry, had to defend the Horn!
Echo that sentiment - USDGC Qualifier is a significant draw these days.

Kirk, you know I will help with whatever you want - once I get there :D

Whats the registration look like? All full? Who's coming? just curious - not trying to be a pain.

David,

As quiet and unassuming as you are, you could never be a pain. I will check with Mike today about updating the registration list. Right now I believe we have less than 20 players registered.

Kirk

For those of you planning on playing you must pre-register. Registration will be closed at 6PM on Wednesday April 22nd. There will be no exceptions and I will accept no excuses. Make your decision and pay your entry fee in advance or you won't play. If you pay and can't play all you need to do is call me before the players meeting Saturday morning and I will make sure you get a refund. No matter what the reason is that you can't make it, if you let me know in advance of the players meeting you will get a full refund (minus Paypal fee if you use the online registration).

Kirk

Thanks Kirk

You can count on me for scoring assistance and beer Capn. :)

I liked Buckhorn when I got to play it at the XTown a couple years ago. It's a shame that whiners get to dictate things for others - maybe I should whine louder - then maybe I'd get my way about stuff ;)

I like Cedar Hills too though - it's just that I've spent 20 years playing Cedar - and Buckhorn is sweet. Oh well - I'll be there either way. The beer (Mystery Brown Ale #1) got its first rack last night (at 2 weeks old - it was really yummy) - should be ready by the end of April - no problem.



I want a mystery beer too!!!! DRINK THE BEER STAN !!!! DRINK THE BEER!

I want a mystery beer too!!!! DRINK THE BEER STAN !!!! DRINK THE BEER!



You can have as many Mystery Brown #1's as you want Ston, so long as you're staying at Casa Yoo - wouldn't want you getting lost a mile from his house trying to get back to the hotel again :)

For those of you planning on playing you must pre-register. Registration will be closed at 6PM on Wednesday April 22nd. There will be no exceptions and I will accept no excuses. Make your decision and pay your entry fee in advance or you won't play. If you pay and can't play all you need to do is call me before the players meeting Saturday morning and I will make sure you get a refund. No matter what the reason is that you can't make it, if you let me know in advance of the players meeting you will get a full refund (minus Paypal fee if you use the online registration).

Kirk



If I can make it i'm thinking about paying the day of the event, is that okay?

What time does the second round start???

No casa Yo for me this year Crog. I will prolly be staying at Hippy Boys relatives. I don't want to push my luck. I have no idea how I found my way back to his house. Pure dumb luck.

I may enter Pro Int Masters

PayPal sent- 3 weeks til Casa de Yoo!

Paypalled.

This clearly needs a bump -- only 21 players show as registered at this point. 15 MPO and 6 MMO.

I am trying to arrange things to head down for the tourney, but it would help the cause to know there would be more folks competing -- I love the excitement of big tournaments... c'mon people, this is an A-Tier on awesome courses and a USDGC qualifier. Sign up -- come on out -- convince me to drive down and join you.

This clearly needs a bump -- only 21 players show as registered at this point. 15 MPO and 6 MMO.

I am trying to arrange things to head down for the tourney, but it would help the cause to know there would be more folks competing -- I love the excitement of big tournaments... c'mon people, this is an A-Tier on awesome courses and a USDGC qualifier. Sign up -- come on out -- convince me to drive down and join you.



Not trying to ruffle feathers but does someone who isn't on the list really complain about the list not having many players on it?

I sent in my pre-reg and I am sure that my name will be on the list any day now.

Does that sell you on coming to this event?

I thought it might, disc golf is funny!

I sent in my pre-reg and I am sure that my name will be on the list any day now.

Does that sell you on coming to this event?

I thought it might, disc golf is funny!



Tempting... definitely helps to have more folks playing. I'm getting very tempted to go.

Who in Raleigh/Zebulon has some extra space on the floor they'd like to offer up? I'll probably only need a place to crash on Saturday night. I'd be driving down early, early Saturday morning and driving back home Sunday after the tourney...

my money goes out in the morning

my money goes out in the morning



Via hippie mail. :D

Paypalling today.

pre-reg update?

Craig,

Mike will get it updated later today. Right now we are at 36 preregistered.

Kirk

If you are planning on playing you need to get your registration in.

REGISTRATION CLOSES AT 6PM WEDNESDAY APRIL 22nd.

There will be no exceptions.

Thanks Kirk

If anyone needs a place to stay (and it's a quiet one, I promise you that!), I have 1 or 2 spots available in my apartment. I already have 1 staying with me and have a small one bedroom apartment, so don't have room for more than 3.

I'm about 3 min from Cedar Hills and about 20 min from Zebulon.

robertleonard01 (at) yahoo.com
919-389-5780

It ain't a big deal, but MJ has qualified also.

If anyone needs a place to stay (and it's a quiet one, I promise you that!), I have 1 or 2 spots available in my apartment.



sorry, just can't resist... how can it possibly be quiet if it's your apartment??? are you staying elsewhere? :eek: :o:D:D

Biscoe 1 - MTL - 0

If you are planning on playing you need to get your registration in.

REGISTRATION CLOSES AT 6PM WEDNESDAY APRIL 22nd.

There will be no exceptions.



Lot's of players who typically play not registered yet.

I hope and pray someone tests Kirk about this. It will make for an entertaining Saturday morning.

i don't really see why you would close registration that early with lots of space still open, not my event though.

The original plan was to have the leader board cards printed out with each players name. It is easier to accomplish this if everyone pre-registers. Also, Saturday morning registration makes for a very hectic morning.

What amazes me is that there are a lot of players that can't seem to decide if they are going to play until the day before the event.

It ain't a big deal, but MJ has qualified also.



was talking with MJ about this yesterday and he officially was never given a spot or anything so if he gets one this weekend i'm sure he'll take it.

50 open!! WOW!!

A former champion isn't even is registered yet.....

Offer for 1 or 2 people needing a place to crash is still good.

If MJ got the spot at the Clash, his deadline might be as soon as tomorrow if that spot had the same rules as all the other qualifiers. Isn't the rule that you can only qualify once? Or if you miss your deadline your only other option is Monday Qualifying? Someone might want to tell MJ to make a phone call - just in case that's the case.

Regarding the spot at the Clash, since it is a club spot, I think that they really have until the deadline (Aug?) to fill the spot.

USDGC spot up for grabs (cdgc members only since this is the cdgc club spot)


This quote was taken from pg 1 of the Carolina Clash threadHere (http://discussion.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=TournamentInfo&Number=900 237&page=7&fpart=1)

Could be that the Charlotte club spot has a special exemption, but there's nothing in the USDGC qualifying docs that mentions it. Might still be worth a phone call for MJ to avoid a misunderstanding/headache

59 Open!! (soon to be 58 - I doubt I'll play)

adding another to Pro Masters. temp is gonna be in the 80's boys and girls... going to be nice for sure! can't wait!

The spot is for all the work the club does for the USDGC (i.e. carts, etc.). Therefore, the time constraint isn't in play.

To the awarding of the spot, I'm unsure how that will play out. There is some intrigue, but no need to discuss it in this forum. Plus, it's all internal to the club. Like Stack said, I believe he might accept the spot if he qualifies this weekend.

I officially withdrew due to injury so I have no vested interest in this or not.

But if takes a spot from someone and already had a spot...then that is just foul - and if I was the guy who got bumped from that, you wouldn't want to be on the other end of that phone call.

Being that this will be the second year in a row that I'm not enjoying the flowering Dogwoods and fragrant Autumn Olives at Seneca Creek State Park, I'm routing for a Cedar Farm Golf Club member to win the MPO division. :)

In my mind, spring just isn't spring without the Soiree. :D

Somebody named Juatin Jernigan is playing. Anyone ever heard of him?? :)

He is a new Latino player and from what I hear he is pretty good.

He can tear up the course like a margarita blender.

who cares about Juatin... Sarah Jernigan from Clayton is 1008 rated!!

The spot is for all the work the club does for the USDGC (i.e. carts, etc.). Therefore, the time constraint isn't in play.

To the awarding of the spot, I'm unsure how that will play out. There is some intrigue, but no need to discuss it in this forum. Plus, it's all internal to the club. Like Stack said, I believe he might accept the spot if he qualifies this weekend.



Sounds to me like if the spot was advertised to go to the winner of your event - you guys need to confirm that status before he affects other potential qualifiers.

Just because he (whoever he is) has until August to pay - doesn't mean he can pick and choose qualifying venues if he's already qualified.

No intrigue required - name your player before this weekend.

The spot is for all the work the club does for the USDGC (i.e. carts, etc.). Therefore, the time constraint isn't in play.

To the awarding of the spot, I'm unsure how that will play out. There is some intrigue, but no need to discuss it in this forum. Plus, it's all internal to the club. Like Stack said, I believe he might accept the spot if he qualifies this weekend.



Sounds to me like if the spot was advertised to go to the winner of your event - you guys need to confirm that status before he affects other potential qualifiers.

Just because he (whoever he is) has until August to pay - doesn't mean he can pick and choose qualifying venues if he's already qualified.

No intrigue required - name your player before this weekend.



Frankly it is none of your concern. My point was and is that it will not be discussed here. I'm the TD for the Clash, and I'm working diligently to resolve the issue. FWIW, this will be resolved prior to Crosstown.

New subject - Great to see Snoop and LL getting out of the house to play. See y'all tomorrow.

There is some intrigue, but no need to discuss it in this forum.



No intrigue required - name your player before this weekend.



This Mr. Gangloff is the best response i have read all week. Thank you very much for posting what i am sure many people are feeling in response to the above post.



Plus, it's all internal to the club.



the spot was advertised to go to the winner of your event



Thank you again for pointing out what i thought was the obvious

man I'm mad I can't play.

But I'll be out there helping to the best I can - which at this point seems like sitting in a chair and spotting.

It's gonna be great to see lots of people I don't see much anymore!

Frankly it is none of your concern.


are you serious Ant????? it is most definetly Craig's and everyone else competing for a spot at the USDGC's concern!

My point was and is that it will not be discussed here.

How do you dictate where something is discussed? USDGC qualifing spots last time i checked are a pretty big deal. and they can and probably will be discussed where ever anyone feels like dicussing them. i think you may want to edit your post to read it will not be decided here. i guess you can decide that on your secert charlotte discussion board.

I love you ant but i as well as alot of other people are in total aggreement with Mr. Gangloff. thank you however for getting this figured out before this weekend. i am sure alot of top pro's in this event will appreciate your attention to this matter. thanks man for the info.

Frankly it is none of your concern.



I'll take BW Dave's comments a step further.
It is indeed the concern of all the competitors at Raleigh - and at every other qualifier.

Knowing full well that MJ has a likely potential to qualify at virtually ANY venue he attends - you guys in Charlotte should honor your advertised statement for the winner of your event to get your club spot. Knowing that MJ can qualify elsewhere doesn't give you latitude to give the spot away to some other player who you may deem as "deserving".

If you are the Clash TD - you should follow the first rule of being a TD (unwritten as it may be) - honor what you publish / don't publish anything you are unwilling to honor.

I don't understand why there is any intrigue or need to "work diligently" at all. The decision was made for you when the event ended a month ago.

It ain't a big deal, but MJ has qualified also.



was talking with MJ about this yesterday and he officially was never given a spot or anything so if he gets one this weekend i'm sure he'll take it.



I was getting a bit upset until I went back and read all the posts. I can see where it looks like we are looking for the most deserving player. However, that isn't the case. Stack's quote is incorrect, and I will leave it at that. As I stated previously, this will be resolved prior to the event. Most likely, today. Thanks, Ant

Somebody named Juatin Jernigan is playing. Anyone ever heard of him?? :)



Hold on I know this one. didn't he win some tournament back in 2004 out west some where?

I this will be resolved prior to the event. Most likely, today. Thanks, Ant



thanks a ton Ant!!! and also congrat's on the win last weekend!! you took out some good golfers.

Hey Robert, come see me at the van... I got something for you... which is not available online, over the phone or via email... though I tried all of the above...

a hug?

made me laugh. thanks.

I tried this on the local Raleigh board but with no success as yet - anyone from Durham or parts west heading in on Sat morning that I could catch a lift with? I'd certainly make it worth your while with the second of a**, gas, or grass - I'm in town from Seattle and dread the resulting "debt" of making my wife drive me to the tourney so she can have the rental car for the day to house hunt while I'm out playing. Hit me at 206 963 1582 if you're able.
Cheers
Matthew

Matt,

Could you bring along my "Green Machine" to the tournament? I'd really like to get it back. TIA

Dave

Case closed - seems I was under the wrong impression. Glad everything got clarified and I regret any consternation I caused the undeserving. (prior post deleted by me for the sake of closure)

What he said.

as Ant said before... i may have misunderstood what I heard... and it was nothing from anyone officially with the club or the Clash tourney... and you are correct that the spot was given out @ the clash and MJ was the highest finishing CDGC member but what I was talking about is that he didn't officially accept the spot.

Crosstown is a great tourney and I'd hate for the convo to get side tracked on this stuff. Hoping for great weather and good times for ya'll!

I'd hate for the convo to get side tracked on this stuff.


what exactly are you missing stack? MJ's "acceptance" (?????????) of the USDGC spot that was advertised to be awarded at the clash directly affects everyone in the field at the Crosstown. this is not sidetracked at all. the way i see it it is one of the most pertinent topics of the event.

Thank you Dr. Wiggins for your well put statement. I guess now the USDGC's has another issue on their hands. last year it was qulifiers that failed to register in time and tried to qualify again on monday. Now it is when a spot is advertised how long do they have to actually assign the poistion instead of sandbaggin on the topic and taking possible spots away from other people.

Oh goodness. All of this is born from a misunderstanding. I will gladly clear it up with you this weekend Dr. Wiggins. In NO WAY was the spot going to anyone but the lowest qualifying CDGC member. MJ won the spot and has accepted. Please accept my apology for any confusion the past several pages of posts have created. Again, MJ is qualified for the USDGC.

thanks Ant... again... sorry for the miscommunication/confusion

game on!

Ant,

Never a need for apologies among friends. The issue as it appeared on this board was a bit confusing and I had been off my meds a couple days. I'll have to get back on them right away. I have no reason at all to doubt yours or anyone else's good intentions. I just felt some clarification would be good for all concerned and thank you very much for providing that.

haha, Sn. getting to the bottom of the situation like a doctor with a rectal thermometer

: ) :

what time does registration close tomorrow morning?

Do Work People. Come on Greenville

: ) :

Any news from the course?

Glad Dogwood got the USDGC qualifying event status back. I wonder what it will take to get one back in FLA?

Option A: develop a top event in January that offers enough added cash to entice out-of-state players to plan for/around it. Florida A-tier USDGC qualifier in January... !

Bmoore

Congrats to the other usdgc qualifiers from the crosstown. The whole region represented.
Tenessee - Jason Light
North Carolina - justin Jernigan
Maryland - phil Denhardt
Virginia - Erik smith
South Carolina - Matt Peckham

Thanks kirk mike Robert and everyone else that helped.

On a side note - zebulon looked amazing considering they just had a festival there yesterday!

Tired and sore but glad to be takin the one mile drive to Winthrop this year.

Matt

Hey Matt, congrats on the qualifying spot!

Was there a playoff for the final two USDGC spots?

We we're all pulling for our Brazilian friend...

Maybe the rules should be ammended to include all ties for the 5th USDGC spot, especially when you consider that the PDGA does not allow players to break a tie unless it's for first place. In this case, the rule would appear to have punished one of the players who traveled the furthest distance to the tournament... and so happened to finish six strokes ahead of the next competitor. I also understand its complex as the USDGC has field size limitations.

Obviously a sudden death playoff would be fair, however in my opinion the current rule is a too vague...

In case of a tie for the final position, the tournament director may: 1) hold a sudden death playoff
to determine the winner, 2) award the spot to the player with the lowest final round score, or 3)
award the spot to the player with the highest (current) PDGA Player Rating. Each position must be
verified by the tournament director immediately following the event.


I'm just curious which path Kirk chose.

Regardless, great Sunday finish and win for Brian!
And congrats to JJ, Matt and Mjo.... qualified!

Not too worried about Fab, he's a safe bet to qualify at Worlds.

Bmoore

There was a playoff.

Hole 1 at Zebulon is about 290 and there is a creek that runs perpendicular with the fairway. It is straight and then turns right at the end as you go over the creek.

Erik Smith tees first and hits the bucket with his sidearm.
Fab then trows and hits the limbs over the creek, not crossing it at any point, and falls OB.
Matt then putts it about 20 feet.

Fab has about a 75 foot putt now and if he misses, Erik and Matt can lay up to get in. He steps up and drains it. SICK!

Erik and Matt make their putts to get in.

It was an amazing putt from Fab. He played great all weekend and what a super nice guy.

Fab is a FABulous putter. After he threw OB, I had to make the decision, do I go for the drive or lay up and get the safe three. I decided, after watching Fabricio canning 50 footers like they were nothing, that I had to go for the drive. I'm glad I did. Schweb asked me after I threw... Why didn't you lay up? I was like: He'll make that putt!!! And he did. Exciting finish. There's nothing like the butterflies you get in your stomach like when you have to play off for a USDGC golden ticket. This is my THIRD playoff... and first successful one.

If Fabricio continues to putt like that, he'll get in somewhere for sure.

Photos from Kris Henseler!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/khenseler/sets/72157617304467921/

Hey Matt,

Thanks brother. I did finally hear from Corey W... good call going for the two. Well said... he makes so many 50ft+ putts, it motivates me to work on the short ones... just to keep up.

Hats off to Kirk for utilizing the playoff.

I remain hopeful USDGC office will consider a rule change that would reward quality play at the regional qualifiers, and not further limit talented players from competing at the USDGC.

Congrats again Matt!

Bryan