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Its almost time for the 5th anniversary of the Shootout!!! Are you going to get left out?!?

Hope not :D

This years edition is gonna top them all, if you can imagine that. Once again, the Discrazy Shootout will feature 2 of the best courses in TEXAS (thats right....the whole state) on the same property. The Discrazy Shootout started out small, but has quickly grown and is now THE event in West Texas. Last year the CHAMP course made its debut and was given high praise, even being favorably compared to the famed Winthrop Gold Course where the United States Disc Golf Championship is held each year. Jay Reading, long time touring Pro and disc golf promoter, had the 2008 Discrazy Shootout on his Top 10 events list for 2008. (FDM #5) How big a promotion is THAT?! :D

Expect all the same amenities: free food, free drinks (alchoholic or otherwise), phat players packs, big added cash, awesome raffles..... you name it, the Discrazy Shootout has GOT it!!

Online sign-ups are coming soon. For all the latest details and information about the 2009 Discrazy Shootout, contact Matt Smart at 806-336-0553 AND go to www.discrazy.net (http://www.discrazy.net) for all information related to the 2009 Discrazy Shootout.

Sign up now....or risk missing out!!!!!

Think I am finally going to make the trip north to play this. Hope to bring a good size group from the CVGDA this year.

I'll post the flyer in the shop today.....

Hope so.....2 very fun courses and a great atmosphere! Every year theres more and more who make the trek for the first time and they dont regret it!

I got maps of the 2 courses up on discrazy.net. The CHAMP course layout was for last year, but will be mostly the same. I will post the changes when I get them, but it gives you an idea of the how it flows.

There could be several BIG names in the sport show up...very fun to watch the Final 9 with those guys.

Just got listed on the PDGA.com Tour page yesterday....expect entries to start rolling in. I hear from Matt that there may be as many as 60 who have already made commitments...

Can you say "I better sign up soon or risk missing out"!? :D

Hey Jerry, what's the cap on players?

I'll have to verify it with Matt, but I *think* its 90 Pros, 90 Am's (including advanced divisions). Last year, there were 90 total AM players, but the Adv divisions played with the Pros. This year, many more Pros are expected, so Adv. will probably play with the rest of the AM's. In other words (if it is 90 Pro and 90 Am), Am's filled last year....expect that again this year....and sooner than last year.

Matt will be at the Crush this weekend, so we can get more info then.

Entries are coming in!!! I will try to get the entry form posted tonight with all the details. I am getting with Josh to have it on Titledisc also. I will for sure be at the Crush this weekend if someone wants to get signed up then.

Got some new info up on discrazy.net. Final 9 Skins for Open Men, Mini Golf, Distance contests, CFR discs....you guys just do NOT know what your missing if you've never been to the Discrazy Shootout. Make plans now!! :D

Matt - give me a call or drop me an email, we'll get you all set up.

I had a blast at this tournament last year. I can't make it this year :( but I'm sure it will be even bigger and better than ever. Don't get left out!

Registration is open! Do NOT get left out!!!!

Josh - give me a call when you get a chance (806.336.0553)

Registration sheet is up. Click on the discrazy.net link in my signature and go to the registration link to open the form and print it off. If you would rather sign up on-line, Discrazy Shootout will be up on Titledisc very soon.

Only about 5 weeks away!! Its gonna be great!!!

About 4 weeks away now....DONT GET LEFT OUT!

Do you know when it's going to be up on titledisc?

And will there be a players list to watch? I plan on going, but don't plan on signing up for another week or 2. Gotta get States out of the way before I can start looking towards the next one.

Not sure when it will be up on Titledisc....I hope by the end of the week (hint hint Matt :D). And there will definitly be a players list to watch...Matt has several names already that have made firm commitments to coming. I hope to get that sorted out this week as well.

Registration is up on TitleDisc.com!!! Players list should be up tonight!

Titledisc might want to catch up with your posting, cause I don't see it up for registering....maybe later tonight.

Are you going to this Brandon?

it's live now on TitleDISC. I just had to review and approve :)

Yes, my 6 hour drive tourney will be this one , instead of states.

Month away and ready to party...Amarillo rocks.

Cassidy's Polo Club :cool:

Titledisc registration is open! (thanks Josh :D). And, the first Pro players list is up. 33 already.....over 20 in Open. Am players list will be added in the next few days....but Matt tells me about 40 A'ms so far...

So, were getting close to half full with 4 WEEKS left......you do the math......sign up TODAY!! Click on the link in my signature or go to Titledisc.com.

Am players up....50 total players so far. Not as many Am syet...Matt needs to confirm several more...but still pretty impressive with almost a month to go.

Did I mention somewhere that you may need to go ahead and sign up now? :D

Sign-ups are starting to roll in.....its only about 3 weeks away. Dont miss THE west texas tournament of 2009!

New players list is up.....65 total now

Did I mention 28 in Open?

Oh man...that Open list.....and thats no meager list of Open players let me tell ya... Texas States winner?.....the winner of the last Major?.....you think this is a slouch list?!?!

65 total player with over 3 weeks to go....a course that rivals the USDGC....all food and drinks are covered....

Dude....if you dont already want to come to DisCrazy....whats stopping you now?

The Army will be out to present the National Anthem before Rd. 1 starts.....and have a booth set up for give-aways.... There will be a live chain saw wood cutting demonstration there ( oh by the way....he is making the bad a** trophies for each division!!). The raffle is now worth about $3,000....!

If your holding out......what the he** are you waitng for.....this tournament is gonna to be off the chain!!!

Sign up now!!! Follow the link in my sig to Titledisc.....or go to www.discrazy.net (http://www.discrazy.net) for all the tournament information.

For everyone out there (especially you touring Pros...)...you do NOT want to miss this...

Sign up now!! Just over 3 weeks left!! Its gonna ROCK!!

Ever played disc golf and had a golf cart to ride in? If you make the Finals in Open, thats exactly what you'll get to do :D Matt got hooked up with golf carts for the Pro Finals so the players will ride in style!!

Just one more reason to not delay....sign up today!!

Alright, I'm signed up, can't wait to play my first Discrazy shootout. Should have a pretty good group coming from S.A. this year.


Just FYI, Nick is not going to this, but is listed on the players list for some reason?

New players list up....76 total now with 28 in Open. Entries are steadily rolling in now with over 2 weeks left. Remember that regitration WILL NOT be taken Saturday morning...and likely end before that based on how fast spots are filling. Even more reason not to wait. Dont get left out!!

Matt may not know Nick's not coming yet...I'll check with him and see.

Also, Thompson park not only holds these 2 disc golf courses, but there is a zoo and an amusment park on the property as well. Good entertainment for kids, wives, girlfriends, etc. Plus, Palo Duro Canyon is just south of town and is a must-see if you are in the area.

Did I mention that there is about $3,000 worth of merchandise in the raffle? Or that DisCrazy is a sponser for E.D.G.E? And all meals are provided on site? Plus plenty of adult beverages for everyone all weekend....free? I dont know why its not full already!! :D

Hey Jerry, since I can't make it this year - please ship my free beer to me. That is all.

:D

Might hand deliver one later this year :D

Hey Jerry, I didn't even think to ask before I signed up. Will MA2 play the same course as the rest of the Ams?

Also, when you get time JC has asked a question about signup/costs on the cvdga board.

I have a couple of questions for anyone who can help. I signed up early online in the intermediate division. On the flyer, and also on the entry sheet that is printable, it says "$10 off for current PDGA members (excluding Juniors)". I am a member and checked the box, but it still charged me 55. Also on the printable registration sheet, and on the flyer, it mentions that the ace pot is included in the entry, but on Titledisc I had to pay 3 for it. I wonder if this is a mistake on the td's part or Titledisc. It seems like if the non-member fee were not included, it would say something like "add 10 for.." All in all I wound up paying 58$ plus online fee for entry. Does that sound right??

I replied on the CVDGA boards but will repeat part of it here.

The fees on the flyers are correct. Ace pot is included for all and you get a $10 discount if you are a current member (excluding Jrs.) I did notice the ace pot and non member fee on titledisc. I would direct your questions to Matt Smart (806-336-0553)....he can get it straightened out with Titledisc. I'll mention it to Matt as well.

I know that all Pros will play the CHAMP course rd 1 and rd 3....and Disc Creek course Rd. 2. Int and below will play the opposite course each round. Not sure where we're going to put the Advanced players yet, but I think Matt said he will decide this weekend. Also, everyone will play from the same tees on the Disc Creek course, not sure about the CHAMP course though.

Yes that is a mistake on my part with Titledisc. I will get that straightened out. If we cant get the difference refunded to the players that have signed up i will have a list at the tournament and will get you taken care of then!
Also had lunch with the Host Hotel today and Fifth Season Inn will be it this year! Friday Night players party at the hotel!!!! All the info should be up tonight on the website.

How come no BLUE tees for PRO players? Seems like they should play the most difficult set-up possible....I know the ones I've talked to would prefer the BLUES.

Thanks guys. I can't wait for this tourney.

How come no BLUE tees for PRO players? Seems like they should play the most difficult set-up possible....I know the ones I've talked to would prefer the BLUES.




If blue is the long tees on the normal course then yes! Looking at the pre reg I will be planning on making it for sure and plan on bringing a few H-town players.

The blue tees for the Disccreek course have not been ruled out. The final layout will be set this weekend. Yes Pros should play the most difficult setup. Input is welcome! Glad to hear your comin Matt!

New players list up.....93 total now. 32 in Open

More on the host hotel and Friday night players party tommorrow....

And its official.....

All Pro's play CHAMP course Rd. 1 and Rd. 3 from the GOLD Tees....Disc Creek for Rd. 2 from the BLUE Tees

All Am's play Disc Creek Rd. 1 and Rd. 3 from the WHITE Tees (concrete)....CHAMP course for Rd. 2 from the BLUE Tees

All targets on the Disc Creek course will be in the long pin placement all weekend.

Host hotel info....

The Fifth Season Inn is proudly sponsoring the 2009 Discrazy Shotout. 40 rooms have been blocked off with competative rates plus they are letting us use their banquet room for the players party Fri night. It is located roughly 10 mins from Thompson Park. From the hotel, if you go east on I-40, then north on I-27 (which turns into Dumas Hgwy) take the 24th St exit and you cant miss Thomson Park. Please consider staying at the Fifth Season Inn and helping out one of the event sponsors. Call (806)-358-7881 for room rates. Tell them you are staying for the Discrazy Shootout to get the special rates.

Fri events....

Bring your partner doubles will be at the Disc Creek course. Flex start begins at 2p and the last card goes out at 5:30p. Please note the earlier cut-off time so as to allow folks to get to the players party. $20 per team...2 divisions. Pro teams will play from the Blue Tees, Am teams will play from the White Tees (concrete tees)

Fri. night players party....

The players party will start at 7p at the Fifth Season Inn Banquet room. Party ends around 11p. Drinks provided along with various finger foods.

Player registration will probably end Wednesday or Thursday of next week (unless it fills before then). So make sure if you want to get in to sign up NOW. If you sign up on Titledisc, go ahead and give Matt a call to let him know your coming. Matt is still working out some issues with Titledisc signups so it would be best to also let him know that you have signed up.

Everything is good with Titledisc. Thanks Josh. If you want to reserve a room give me a call and i will get you a confirmation number!!!

Everything is good with Titledisc. Thanks Josh. If you want to reserve a room give me a call and i will get you a confirmation number!!!



Hey Matt, Will titledisc be refunding the extra cost charged, or will we need to get that from you at the tourney? (I'm talking about the non-PDGA fee and ace pot I was charged)
If at the tourney, I guess I can just get that and the $20 for the club discs then?

Thanks

I will have a list at the tournament for the people that need to be refunded for that. No biggie. And yes you can get that then.

New players list up....100 players

The link for the hotel search page has been fixed....look at my last post (on pg 2 of this thread) and click either of those links to get to the correct page.

This event is capped at 90 Pros and 90 Ams. If you are coming.....sign up NOW or you very well may get left out!!

The host hotel is starting to fill up. This is where the Fri night players party will be. Call the hotel and ask for the Discrazy Shootout rate.

1 week away now.....cant wait!!

First of all, big apologies to the Fifth Seasons Inn. My previous posts had a link to the hotel that I should have looked at a little closer. Sooooo sorry....

----->CLICK HERE<------ (http://www.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll/qscr=dspv/htid=1337334/crti=1/hotel-location-map) for location and pictures of the host hotel. Remember to CALL THE HOTEL DIRECTLY and ask for the Discrazy Shootout rate. 806-358-7881 - talk to Crystal of Chris.

Look forward to seeing everyone there :-)

Everything is good with Titledisc. Thanks Josh. If you want to reserve a room give me a call and i will get you a confirmation number!!!



Hey Matt, Will titledisc be refunding the extra cost charged, or will we need to get that from you at the tourney? (I'm talking about the non-PDGA fee and ace pot I was charged)
If at the tourney, I guess I can just get that and the $20 for the club discs then?

Thanks


Sorry if there was any confusion... fwiw you are only charged the Ace Pot if you select Yes, and you are only charged the non-member fee if you say that you aren't current :)

man, I really with I could make this one. I will cook something on my BUDWEISER grill/outdoor fireplace that I won in the raffle last year, in honor of this tournament! :D Well okay, I didn't win it but my weekend roomie did and he owed me money... good trade :D

Matt, you going to make it down to Dallas this weekend? If so, I want to buy some raffle tickets!

Doesn't look like I'm going to be able to make it. Sucks because I really wanted to go there is just too much to do. I will definitely get you some raffle tickets, just let me know how many you want. I have a sponsor package for you. Sorry i dint get it out in time. Just take all the info from who wins it and i will send it to them. $100 worth of DisCrazy Merchandise.

Week of, and I can't wait to get up and give Amarillo a try!!! This is going to be a fun trip!
What can we expect from the courses? Long, tight, wooded, open, water, all the above?

On the disc creek course, you can expect a lot more elevation than you probably think. There is a creek that comes into play on 6 of the holes...plus road OB that comes into play on most of the holes. Most holes are fairly open, but lots of big oak trees, pine trees, and other trees of all different shapes and sizes. A well designed course, fun and challenging. Par 58 from the White (concrete) tees....Par 59 from the Blue tees

The CHAMP course will bring more strategy into play. Theres OB water and/or street to deal with on just about every hole. Its a long course, but you cant just go up to the tees and huck it as hard as you can...you have to plan your shots. Kind of like in pool, you need to think 2-3 shots ahead to do well. Lots of risk/reward shots on that course. There will be some holes that are pretty wooded, but most shots are open...you just have to land in certain spots to give yourself opportunites...otherwise, your score can go up in a hurry. Expect to throw just about every shot in your bag too. Par 62 form the Blue tees....Par 69 from the Gold tees.

For those of us prone to errant water shots, are discs retrievable from this water?

For those of us prone to errant water shots, are discs retrievable from this water?



That was my next question...can you get them with a golden retriever?

They are retrievable from the creek on the disc creek course unless it rains within a few days of the event. The creek would be flowing and the bottom stirred up, making it harder to see. But its calm most of the time and the water is pretty clear.

On the CHAMP course, the north lake is the biggest and deepest. If a disc is within a few feet of the edge, you can probably get it. Past that, it drops off pretty fast. The middle lake is smaller and more shallow and you can see discs pretty far out. The south lake only comes into play on 2 holes, some spots you can see your disc, some you cant.

Theres not very much bursh in any of the water, so a golden retriever should work if you can see the disc. If you cant, the Amarillo guys are real good about getting your disc back, even if you live out of town.

Depends on how long the string is! :D

On the Disc Creek course, the creek is usually not a fatal problem. There are some shallows where retrieval is easy, but in the deeps it gets more difficult.

Visibility varies due to water depth and recent rainfall. Here on the Plains, rainwater is collected in playa lakes. For the playa lakes located within city limits, the excess water gets pumped out to allow for surprise rainfall that would otherwise flood low parts of the city. Several of those playa lakes get pumped to the creek at the course. So after a big rain like we had last week, the water in our creek runs very murky and discs that wind up in the deeps are difficult to spot.

On the big course, you will encounter several types of water, all easily avoided. The main creek will come into play. The South Lake, the Fish Pond, The Middle Lake, and the North Lake will also be a part of the experience. Retrieval from these hazards depends on how far from the shore you are in the lakes, or how deep and murky the creek water is.

New players list is up...114 total now. 31 Open....52 Pro....62 Am.

Matt is going to cap this at 160 total. Should be plenty of room to sign up if you havent already. Matt wants to end registrations on Thursday....so sign up now if you want in! This is going to be such a fine event....you will have the time of your life here!! Distance contest, Mini golf (which is SOOO much fun if you've never tried it), 2 great courses, meals provided, drinks provided, awesome trophies, Open men finals skins, awesome players pack....

What are you waiting for?!?! Sign up on Titledisc or call Matt Smart TODAY!!

Just a test post for the new message board...and an excuse to bump the thread back to the top :-). Matt wants to end registrations no later than tommorrow...call him now or get left out!!

Also, there aren't many rooms left at the host hotel. Call them today if you want to secure a resevation at the Discrazy rate.

New players list is up....122 total - 53 Pro, 69 Am

Titledisc will more than likely cut registrations off sometime tommorrow, so you better get your entry in SOON....or get left out of one of the coolest tournaments this side of the Mississippi!!:eek:

Looking forward to seeing everyone there!! As of right now (*crossing fingers) the winds will be manageable and the temps no higher than 75. Chance of rain (20-30%) the whole weekend...so bring plenty of clothes just in case.

Thats it for now....everyone have a safe trip!!

A few more signed up last night on Titledisc and Matt told about half a dozen more this morning. Around 130 total now. Still might be a few rooms left at the host hotel, if you want in you better call today!!

I'm taking off for Amarillo this evening...cant wait!

I'm taking off for Amarillo this evening...cant wait!

Lucky you....Think we are heading out around 10ish tomorrow. Looking forward to this weekend, sounds like it's going to be a blast!

New players list....126 total

Had some Open players drop late, but added several Am's...good turnout this year :)

If you sweet talk Matt tommorrow, you might be able to get in....otherwise, I guess your just gonna miss out :(

Temps are going to be in the 50's and 60's with an increased chance of rain, particularly on Sunday. Winds will be 15-25 on Sat, 10-20 on Sunday. So bring that umbrella and some warmer clothes. :cool:

Jerry, I sent you a PM about a comped entry fee I had for DC. Can you pass this info along to Matt? I didn't want to bother him so close to tee time. Maybe I'll be there for Sunday's finale. Rob

Not much wind today.
The rain quit early, the moisture stuck around.

Scores are posted. Santos wins his second b-tier this year. Conditions overall were pretty good, if a little cold. Thanks to everyone for making the trip this year.

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Expect all the same amenities: free food, free drinks (alchoholic or otherwise), phat players packs, big added cash, awesome raffles..... you name it, the Discrazy Shootout has GOT it!!


So Matt, will we get players packs from this event mailed to us, or do we just not get player packs????


Oh, and if the rumor of "the shirts didn't get delivered" are true....I know a good screen printer for next year :D

....I know a good screen printer for next year :D

Hah, there's no next year for me. It's a great course but that was the worst tournament I've ever attended. We could talk all day about the advertised "Big Player Packages", long drive contest for each division, and putting challenge (unless that was the mini putting contest) that never materialized. But I'm more concerned about the lack of organization on the TD's part. We were called in three different times, starting at 8:30, for the players meeting that didn't take place till after 10. During the players meeting, OBs and course rules were never discussed - leading to each card to decide whether obstacles were casual, playable, or OB! Then, there were no markings on the Championship course for the Am or Junior boxes, so they had to walk to the Pro boxes to make sure they were on the right hole - at least two cards missed one! Of course all these things could have been smoothed over, but the TD was too busy playing!

I'll give Matt credit for bringing in all his sponsors. There was a TON of merchandise in the raffle, Chick-fil-a provided lunches, and there was plenty of Budweiser. I'd just like to point out: I don't go to a PDGA sanctioned event for beer and raffles.

I'll think about this event in 2011 - after they have a year to prove they can fix these problems.


Now that that's out of the way, I'd be remiss if I didn't point out that Jerry, and especially his wife Misti, did a fantastic job of keeping things organized at the scorers table. They handled far too many complaints and did not get near enough credit. So - Thanks to you both!

I have a question? How much experience do you have in putting together and running a Pdga sanctioned event? How much time and effort have you put into a B tier event? How many times have you have to deal with the stress of something going wrong the morning of the tournament? If i could go back i would not have played. Bad decision on my part. First time for that.
Players package?
Dinner friday night and beverages by DisCrazy
Lunch Saturday by Chick Fil A
Dinner and beverages Saturday night by Discrazy and Bud
2 koozies
bottle opener
Bud pen
Free coupon for Chick fil A
Total $35 atleast! The only thing missing was the shirts! Which i have now.
Very little response in the long drive. The putting challenge was the mini at the players party. FREE!
There were plenty of baskets located prior to the tournament. Some didnt show. That put us behind. That i apologize for. At the time of the players meeting all i could think about was getting the players on the course. I take responsibility for not having the rule sheet printed off. And going over everything. As far as the Am tees being marked they were clearly marked. You pass the pro tee and sign walking to every hole. Obs and hole routes were clearly marked on every hole! Both course maps on every scorecard! No reason for a hole to be skipped!!!!!
I dont get paid to do this! The DisCrazy Shootout has been a great tournament every year cause of all the hard work and FREE TIME that goes into it. I started this cause i have a true passion for the sport and wanted to bring more to Amarillo and West Texas. Some things were a little rocky this year. Some things my fault some not. I apologize for that!
As for the players that did not show up i cant make them come. I talked to every player that was registered and took them off if they called back and said they were not coming! Next time it will be paid only before registered!!!
I aplologize to all my sponsors! Jerry and Misti thank you for everything you have done for the Shootout. You deserve alot of recognition. As for next year dont judge this year only. Just because things were not perfect this year like the previous 4 years does not mean this tournament will not continue to be great!
Thanks to everyone that showed up. All in all it was a good time. Congrats to Santos on his second win of the year!!
$1200 collected for charity
$1100 added cash

Don't think all that was directed at me, but I will say: I have put a ton of time into our C tier the past 2 years, and our B tier this year. Plus all the other events we(the CVDGA)run here in San Angelo throughout the year(Heardimore, W.T. Doubles, Ash Minis{we are putting on a 54 hole one this weekend}, Ice Bowl, Ace Race). Most all of which use temporary baskets that we make sure are accounted for at least by Friday if not sooner by collecting them up and tieing them all down to trailor. So they can't "not show" Saturday.

Thanks for the answer on the player packs. As for all the free beer, by the time I got done with my round Saturday and got to the cooler...I got 1 bud lime, and the rest was gone(other than those mint things). I did get lunch Saturday and a koozie and bottle opener though...

On a positive, I did enjoy playing the courses.

Well I'm very glad to hear that the courses for this event did not come up short on quality (except the 2 new holes on the big course did not seem like a very good trade-off). It is very rewarding to hear players give high praise on my course designs, despite the challenges of the rest of the weekend. Hole #8 on the big course proved once again that it can cause even a seasoned PRO to have a minor melt-down, nearly provoking a DQ for poor sportsmanship. 2 years in a row that short little hole has created major controversy.

As far as the event overall, well...
Looks like I picked a bad time to step back and let the others show their commitment.

This event was NOT a representation of the way things are done here as far as events go. People in this area have put on QUALITY Disc Golf events for several years, and to have to apologize over and over to out-of-towners because some of the most basic items had been overlooked is very disappointing. Jerry and Misti Kingston deserve MVP awards for the amount of effort they put in, and the grief they surely endured. Hopefully we can continue some sort of working partnership for future events (TOTO is coming up in August...).

I don't know how much time was invested in volunteer meetings (I assume there were some kind of prior meetings because there were some things accomplished that had to be organized beforehand), but I do know I never saw or heard about any meetings for those interested in helping with the event. After much discussion with my wife, I decided that my participation with this event would be limited due to the way problems have been handled in the recent past.

Hopefully lessons have been learned and DG will continue to flourish and grow in this area.

What happened to Sunday's lunch?

We waited and waited then finally had to send someone out for something....

Hey Johnrock does anyone ever get a disc back form over the bomb squad fence? Threw a ESP Venom over in there(I know what a dummy) that I would really love to get back.
(also lost a blue ace race disc and a blue Z-avenger on 16, all had my name on them).

If they turn up, I'd gladly pay the cost to mail them down, unless you are coming this way for some reason, maybe Abilene?(I won't be there, but you could give them to Carl or Nick) If not, my fault for throwing them in.

Usually someone from the APD Bomb Squad will gather up the discs in their yard and take them across the street to the Parks & Rec. Dept. Maintenance building. At first they said they would do it every week (on Fridays), but sometimes it takes them a little longer. I'll go check today and see what's there.

I've been checking the creek every day this week, but it's up and murky. Maybe soon it'll clear up and we'll get some lost soldiers out. If it's got a name (and/or number), chances are good you'll get it back one way or another.

I really do wish I could have made it this year and I'm wory to hear that there were difficulties. That said, I have to say a few things in defense of Matt and DisCrazy. My wife and I run 8 or so events per year and help with several others. I know firsthand what it takes to run a good event and how hard it can be on the TD. I also know how hard it is to raise good sponsorship - for example, our last B-tier only raised a few small non-monetary sponsorships, so we footed the added cash bill ourselves. It takes a ton of time and legwork to get that sort of thing done, and for Matt and crew to come up big with BUDWEISER and CHICK-Fil-A as major sponsors like that is a really big deal. $1100 raised for charity? Color me impressed. I've run a couple of charity events and even half that amount is hard to achieve.

I agree that it can be frustrating to have unmarked teeboxes - we ran into that last year and it did make us hunt a little bit for a few tees... Also, having a rules sheet for everyone to carry with them is an improvement that would make a pretty significant difference. As for the side games, one cannot force people to participate. If there wasn't a big interest in the long-drive competition, then it is what it is. At least they took the time and put in the effort to offer it. You can lead disc golfers to water, but you can't make them drink.

Running tournaments is a learning process. I'm sure Matt has noted each issue that arose this year and will do everything he can to make sure they don't happen next year. He's doing good things for the sport, to be sure. The courses are great and I'm sure the golf was fun. I think that instead of finding flaws and getting upset, our sport would be better served by players offering to help out with something next year. Like it or not, this is a player-supported sport and a great event takes people willing to pitch in a little bit, even if it's 5 minutes to help carry a cooler or put out a teesign. Those who have spent time on the other side of the TD table will understand what I mean. I'm eternally grateful to those who lend a helping hand at my events and I know how much it means to other TDs as well.

Matt, keep doing what you're doing. Hopefully someone enjoyed the merch we sent over. TitleDISC is in for sponsorship again next year :)

I think that instead of finding flaws and getting upset, our sport would be better served by players offering to help out with something next year.


Actually as upset with things as Mikey was, he did stop and take the time to help out Misti at the scorer's table. So IMO, he more than anyone has the room to "find flaws" as he did help more than most.

No recoveries from the Bomb Squad area, but the creek started to clear some yesterday. I pulled out a bunch (even some quality No-Namers:cool:), but it may take a while to clear by Hole #16.

Josh, you make it sound like there was no help. I saw lots of folks doing stuff the morning of and days before the event. You should take the time to interview all involved and try to discover what the real issues are before you start giving your sage advice and try to make it sound like you know what's up. Dig a little deeper and maybe you'll find out where the real problem is.

I don't claim to have been there so I certainly don't know the details. I also wasn't picking on anyone in particular. I was just trying to point out that there is a ton of work that goes into putting on a tournament, and many people don't realize it. I'm not saying that you or anyone else posting on this thread isn't aware of those facts, but lots of people read this and it was starting to get pretty negative. John, I'm sure you'll agree that it's better for our sport to learn from mistakes than to make them the focus of post-tournament disucssions, especially in a venue as public as this one. Do I do everything right every time? Most definitely not. I just do the best I can to make sure everyone has fun and that things run smoothly. and when I do screw up, I try to be sure that I don't lket it happen again. Matt is a stand-up guy and I know he'll do the same.

This was the first time I attended this tournament..I liked it ..I do plan on being there next year...There were some flaws..I was questioning to myself before I left about the player packages..but then I thought about the hotel that fed me free breakfast each morning, Lunch that got provided and dinner that nite..Lot of tournaments can barely get 1 lunch provided and there was the players party..I skipped out on the party because as I exited the highway I had to drive by an Outback restaurant to get to the hotel...Only thing I really thought about that nite was that wonderful steak I enjoyed...OB rules, being that I have played a few years water is usually OB and so is the street unless your playing with a casual...I understood also the lines around the baskets does not make it an island hole but the putting circle to know when to use my earth moving jump putt..I figured out the lines where OB, which the courses was very self explanatory...I figured out the 3 boxes for pros, ams and juniors(didnt take much common sense)...If I went to tournaments for the players packages, then why would I play B or C tiers at all...Go play the course there's your challenge..When you play it well you get your reward...Running tournaments are hard work and a lot of planning...Then going out and getting sponsorships and items for that awesome raffle....That takes alot of months ahead of time to start on and a good reputation with your sponsors...Like to say thanks for all the hard work they put into this tournament..Marking all those lines that was a chore too! As I did it for our tournament here in Wichita Falls...Everyone learns from each tournament and volunteers are few and hard to find...

MY FIRST WIN IN ADVANCED MASTERS!!!!!!!!!

Now that I've had a bit of time to cool off I thought I should come back and apologize for the tone in my previous post. While I was (and still am) disappointed in the tournament, I should have handled the situation with much more tact than I did. I realize Matt and his team worked very hard trying to have everything organized and it was inappropriate to attack him directly without knowing what problems he might have encountered at the last minute. So, Matt - I'm sorry.

I sincerely hope that the hardships you endured this year will make next years event that much better. I believe the Discrazy Shootout could be the best tournament in West Texas... maybe that's why I was so disappointed.

Matt,

Thanks for all you do for DG in W TX! All our guys had a blast and several finished well too. Best we can tell there were 15 Lubbock Windriders playing and at least 5 spectators. We'll bring more next year.

Too bad about the gliches; there always are some. No big; the food and fun more than made up for them. I know this will only make next year better than ever.

Lookin' forward to continued collaboration, cooporation, and competition.

Rob Lee and the Lubbock Windriders Flying Disc Club