Hello All,

The US arm of Vibram has asked me to consult with them to determine their viability in the disc golf market. As you may or may not know, Vibram makes shoe soles and is world renowned for their quality and craftsmanship. Their goals in entering the disc golf market are three fold.

1. Expand the appreciation for and knowledge of the Vibram brand
2. Utilize their ability to create innovative, quality products for the disc golf market
3. Grow and support the sport

We are currently testing the first disc that is planned to be released, a stable to overstable putter named the V.P. (Vibram Putter).

In addition to our lab testing, we are looking for ten to fifteen folks that would be interested in seriously testing the V.P. We will provide a handful of discs (in your desired weight and stiffness) as well as a "Vibram Tester" t-shirt. All that we require is an honest assessment of the disc.

If you would be interested in helping us, please send me an email or PM with your disc golf resume and why you would be a good Vibram disc tester.

Steve,

Let me be the first to reply here that I have been a VIBRAM fan for many, many years. I have golf shoes with their soles, work boots, and other footwear products. They have been intertwined with Disc Golf more than they could have ever imagined. To hear that they are interested in taking that relationship another step farther is FABULOUS!!!
Way to go STEVE!
I would love to help with any testing, but I am kind of partial to my 86 mold Softie. ;)

Hey Steve, could you ask Steve the TD to possibly check the Vibram Open Tournament thread once in a while please? :D

Thanks!

Keith Johnson
Hopeful Vibram Putter tester. ;)

Steve, do you have any info about the latest Vibram putter, the Summit, supersoft plastic, how does it perform?

Steve,

I sent you a pm but also wanted to add and can't believe i forgot to mention my love for the shoes i have with the best treads made by, none other than Vibram. As I said i am very interested in testing the V.P. and have good local players who can help me do the same. thanls.

from a steven to a steve

I would love to help! Love my Vibram '5 fingers' and the comments I get about them all of the time are priceless. Even got another person in my office to buy two pair! I'm not playing a lot of tournaments this spring so using a different putter for a while would not be a problem at all... especially if they were black! If you need me to test just let me know!

Hey Steve, could you ask Steve the TD to possibly check the Vibram Open Tournament thread once in a while please? :D

Thanks!

Keith Johnson
Hopeful Vibram Putter tester. ;)



I've got hotel RFPs out that I should be collecting back in the next two weeks.

Steve.

Steve, do you have any info about the latest Vibram putter, the Summit, supersoft plastic, how does it perform?



The Summit is planned to be a stable putter at lower speeds (and/or less wind) than the V.P. Current thoughts are to design it in two firmnesses, but everything beyond the concept is still in initial testing. If the disc is released for general consumption, it would probably be in the late summer, early fall.

One thing the Vibram folks have impressed me with is their desire to get a product right rather than getting it to market quickly. (Their slogan is "Tested where it matters" and so far, they really live up to it. I will see if I can get approval to show off some of the testing that these folks do.)

Hey Steve, could you ask Steve the TD to possibly check the Vibram Open Tournament thread once in a while please? :D

Thanks!

Keith Johnson
Hopeful Vibram Putter tester. ;)



I've got hotel RFPs out that I should be collecting back in the next two weeks.

Steve.



Thanks Steve!

I plan on spending MOST of my time at the course, but like when I visit the Grange in Virginia, it's nice to have someplace quiet to go to when I'm done having fun.

Keith

steve, any updates on the "dubs" vibram dvd? i heard early 2009. thanks

not that i am one...but when can people expect to hear about being a tester for your putter or have the "select few" already been chosen? thanks steve

Steven

Hopefully late March will still count as early 2009.

not that i am one...but when can people expect to hear about being a tester for your putter or have the "select few" already been chosen? thanks steve

Steven



We sent out the first round of invites last night. We would love to develop a core group of solid disc testers and reviewers and be able to rely on them for more testing in the future.

Hey Steve,
Did I happen to get a few Putters to test?

What does it take to Qualify?
Does being a part of a company that makes discs Dis-qualify me??


Here is a list of credentials:
I have just about every basket style ever made so I can test the putter by throwing it into no less than 6 different chain configurations?
I have quite a bit of experience in polymers used for Disc golf Putters.
I can Throw a putter well over 300' and also have thrown in more 60-80 footers than anyone I know.
I can get the putters in the hands of MANY top players,, mid-level ams, recreational and even 1st time players within days of receiving the discs for others to review.
we have 3 baskets at the factory and we are putting into them every day.

I am excited just got the 08 DVD and looked at the spot about the company and would love a shoe that is made just for disc golf to my specifications. Good luck and i will do what I can to keep supporting.

Hi Dave,

I think you owning a conceptual competitor did rule you out as a tester. Hopefully you'll get your hands on one (your sneaky like that ;) ) and let us know what you think.

--------

Regarding the disc golf shoes, we talked about these today and the field testing is going well. There are many steps after field testing (especially since Vibram makes just the soles and does not actually make the shoes), but I'll definitely keep folks informed as this project proceeds.

We sent out the first round of invites last night. We would love to develop a core group of solid disc testers and reviewers and be able to rely on them for more testing in the future.



Steve,

maybe you can describe what kind of testing you expect the testers to do, like number of putts, a document of some sort to fill out and return with observations, etc.

Thanks!

there are and will be.

We will be providing two questionnaires with the test discs. One for initial reaction and one for reaction after using the discs for a month.

The 169-172g discs have been produced. We will be making the 173-175g discs next week. Testers, look in your mailboxes around March 10th. Here we go.

WooHoo!!!

<-------------Jealous

Sweet

Looking forward to it!

I wanna be a tester send me one please

any testing results yet??

testing results will be back once the testers get the discs and can test them. we are anxious to let you know how sweet they are.

Testers should be getting them next week.

Awesom, I can't wait. I have already been talking to some local 1000s about it.

Awesom, I can't wait. I have already been talking to some local 1000s about it.



same here... there is some interest for sure...

Testers should be getting them next week.



Hey Steve, were you able to get the packages out today?

I'm really looking forward to testing these things out.

Thanks again,

Cruiser

I am not sure if the discs were run last week (they had not been run when I left Thursday at 2:00 and I have not heard anything yet so I doubt it), but either way, we are shooting for arrival next week. Look for something to arrive next Friday <--- (note: this is my best guess.)

Any updates?
did they run the discs?
did they ship the discs?

Hey Steve, could you ask Steve the TD to possibly check the Vibram Open Tournament thread once in a while please? :D

Thanks!

Keith Johnson
Hopeful Vibram Putter tester. ;)



I've got hotel RFPs out that I should be collecting back in the next two weeks.

Steve.



Thanks Steve!

I plan on spending MOST of my time at the course, but like when I visit the Grange in Virginia, it's nice to have someplace quiet to go to when I'm done having fun.

Keith



Any news on your hotel RFP's yet?
Visions of sleeping in the rental are creeping into my head. :eek:

Any updates?
did they run the discs?
did they ship the discs?



The discs have been run. They came out a tad lighter than we had hoped but Aaron is working on that side of things. The VPs are shipping yesterday and today. Depending how close you are to New England, testers should be getting them in 1 to 5 business days.

http://www.primediscs.com/images/sample-discs.jpg

Here is some of what Aaron Ala packaged up and shipped out yesterday and today.

Those are SWEET! Can't wait

very nice! so being in washington i will continue to be patient.

thanks

Got mine and played a round. I like that it is overstable. The grip feels like a Wizard bottom with more of a blunt top.

I received a Green, Green with black specks, Blue and Blue Marble (like the picture above). I like the blue marble.

i have played about 7 rounds with the putters. they are most certainly overstable. very much so. i like the B plastic better for driving and the A plastic better for short approaches and putts. both discs when driven with also seem to be relatively slow compared to say an aviar. the big bead also seems like a trench and holds mud and makes for a tall wall. the general feel of the disc is awesome. very grippy. i have had trouble a few times with them wanting to roll FOR-EV-ER. i really like them though and they just feel so nice when i release them and they are banging those chains! thanks again.

Ive played close to a dozen rounds with the VP. They are holding up very well and I really like the plastic. Every time I throw an approach I have to throw higher and much further to the right because these guys are slooooow and stable.
Hey Steve, just out of curiosity is there any plan on making a faster, less stable putter in the same plastic?

That sounds like the summit.

I'm lovin these things

Do you guys really like the plastic? To me they all felt a little weird but the disc looks like it will fly nicely if tweaked a bit. Looks like a "Store Brand" Wizard to me.

Slow and stable - that describes them... I love'em... Fan of the "B"'s.

Popped a 70' today in 20 mph winds. The rest of my round sucked.

As for putting inside 25' found myself switching back to a straddle putt... to great success. These putters feel great in a fan grip.

Is it me or is the lettering a little large on the bottom. I have one hand position in a fan grip that I can't feel lettering. I wish the lettering was smaller. I've been over throwing a lot of baskets because I think it's going to drop because it is goes so slow. Tried to putt with a little anny straight at the basket and that is starting to work for me some.

I wish the lettering was smaller.



It will be. I noticed this too. We must have wider grips than most as no one else has mentioned it.


I've been over throwing a lot of baskets because I think it's going to drop because it is goes so slow. Tried to putt with a little anny straight at the basket and that is starting to work for me some.



Aaron has been convincing me (slowly) that the V.P. has good glide. He seems to be right.

Every time I throw an approach I have to throw higher and much further to the right because these guys are slooooow and stable.

Hey Steve, just out of curiosity is there any plan on making a faster, less stable putter in the same plastic?



Yes, that is what we are hoping to do with the Summit. These two putters should be good complimentary discs. In the X-Link material.

Slow and stable - that describes them... I love'em... Fan of the "B"'s.

Popped a 70' today in 20 mph winds. The rest of my round sucked.

As for putting inside 25' found myself switching back to a straddle putt... to great success. These putters feel great in a fan grip.



I hit some bigger than usual putts with it yesterday too. 40 feet or so (which is big for me :o). I may give the straddle a try on the closer stuff.

How does this compare to the VP that came out last year for the Vibram Open? I have thrown that putter a few times and it was crazy overstable. I'd love to see one of these.

very slow, very overstable, very little glide, soft and grippy.

How does this compare to the VP that came out last year for the Vibram Open? I have thrown that putter a few times and it was crazy overstable. I'd love to see one of these.



It is relatively sleeker than the VP from last year's Vibram Open. And the material is more grippy and, if all worked well in the chemist's lab, more durable.

Got in a few rounds with these. I used these exclusively except where I needed a beat, turnover putter flight, but tried them on those lines too.

I'll echo that these are some of the nicest driving putters out there. You can rip on them and they WON'T turn over. the wind doesn't chance their flight (when new at least). The only thing it does is induce or delay the fade depending if you're going into or with the wind. The HS portion has always been straight. I think the glide is pretty decent. Not as much as a Wiz or KC Aviar, but not too far off. I primarily used the blue A for driving. Suuuwheet. Really [censored] accurate and they stop a couple feet from where they hit. If you toss it in the wrong direction and hit a tree, there's not a big deflection.

As for putting... I'm liking them, mainly the stiffer Bs. Not as many spit throughs. They seem to hit the chains and die. Like I said in an earlier post, if they get on edge, they like to roll. My initial impressions haven't really changed.

I'm really impressed with the durability. I played 3 very rocky courses on Monday and if I were to wash them, I think they'd look new. No nicks at all, but there are some scuffs. If I were to take my M Wizards out on these courses, they'd be chewed up. This could be good for longevity, but bad to get a nice stright/turnover driving putter.

So far, 5 rounds and 2 practice sessions in, I'm really liking them

super overstable, SLLLOOOOOOWW, very nice grip to both plastic types. have been throwing the drives on an anny and mostly with the B plastic. taking anny to flat putts with the A plastic. both very nice though. i am interested in seeing the summit or at least hearing about how it compares to the speed of the VP. still enjoying the testing though. thanks Steven.

Being on the west coast the discs did not get to my home until friday. On friday I was 280 miles away for a tourney so I have only had them for a couple of days and i haven't had much time to throw them but I will echo that they are stable. I also did not like the large writing on the bottom. I think that the discs being so stable make them appear to be slow because they want to pull toward the ground. The few times I have thrown them have been as drives and if you get them flat they go a for a while and get there pretty quick but do not skip or slide too far past where they land. I have thrown KC aviars which are domey and stiff and are the exact opposite of the VP. I have had a hard time forcing myself to putt with them because they are a completely different feel than the putters I am used to. I love the way they feel as a driving putter. I am not used to the soft plastic so I have had a hard time releasing them where I want to. Taking it for what it is these discs are definately worth while. I haven't been able to open up with them in a large field or on the course yet but for the few times I did throw them my favorite feature was that when they are turned over they fight the turn which pulls them very hard to the right (RHBH). This makes for a very tight turn and is something I have not seen in a disc before. I don't think these discs will make it into my bag because the plastic is too soft for my liking. I am going to continue to throw them and let people that throw softer plastic give them a try and I will reflect their comments because I am not the intended market for this disc. Is there a plan to make a stiffer plastic or is it more difficult being rubber based? End of novel.

One thing I'm noticing is that when the discs gets dust on it, the plastic feels slippery. When its wet, it stays real grippy. Things that make you say, "Huh?"

super overstable, SLLLOOOOOOWW, very nice grip to both plastic types. have been throwing the drives on an anny and mostly with the B plastic. taking anny to flat putts with the A plastic. both very nice though. i am interested in seeing the summit or at least hearing about how it compares to the speed of the VP. still enjoying the testing though. thanks Steven.



I beg to differ. I don't think these things are slow at all. They are just overstable. I think the lack of glide might make them seem slow, but if you get on 'em, they will get where they are going pretty quick and then just stick.
Maybe the best wind disc I have ever tried. I've been canning long(40-60') putts into a headwind more than ever. It's going to be windy here in Vegas for the next 3 months. So far.........STOKED!!! :D

maybe you are right but they dont seem slow. they are. but they are great for a hyzer putt, really any putt, but the hyzer putts have been working great for me, especially with the B plastic.

I dont believe they are slow either. I have had a few drives that popped up cruised. Also the other day I was having trouble putting, everything was short. But I was still making the putts because the disc was getting to the basket before it could drop. Just so overstable it's hard to notice the speed.

I'll bet when these get beat in they will go far.

: ) :

Is there a plan to make a stiffer plastic or is it more difficult being rubber based? End of novel.



The plans are wide open right now. If the field testing shows that a stiffer material would be desirable, we would send that to the chemist and let him know what we want (stiffer, but don't lose any grip or durability). Keep the comments and novellas coming.

I'm really impressed with the durability. I played 3 very rocky courses on Monday and if I were to wash them, I think they'd look new. No nicks at all, but there are some scuffs. If I were to take my M Wizards out on these courses, they'd be chewed up. This could be good for longevity, but bad to get a nice straight/turnover driving putter.



We have heard complaints that they don't beat in much. Ideally, the planned Summit should complement the V.P.'s flight path with the straight/turnover flight.

I remember playing a lot back in the day and the Cyclone was my go to driver. I always had four of them in my bag. One newish that I could not quite turnover, one slightly beat which was my fave, and one beat for those turnover shots. (and one brand new back-up in case my dog Queen Jack went ballistic (she never did))

Assuming both of these putters (VP & Summit) made it to market, should it be a concern of Vibram's that they do not beat up much?

I say a disc that dosent beat up much is sweet. They will beat in due time. Look at CE discs takes forever to get those beat up and I love em dont change anything. Maybe just a differnt disc that is less stable would do the trick

you can get a dx putter and beat it in nice and quick but something that will last and be as sweet as the VP will be a staple in my bag for sure so i dont think it would be something to worry about. i personally like that they hold up so well and like gippy said...another certain disc can balance that right out.

I think the durability issue is a preference. There are minimalists that only want to carry one mold in various stages of wear, like the Clone story. Then there is the "Throw what works" group. If there was an option, I'd like to see a super durrable and a not so durrable option, especially since I really like the feel of the mold. I usually carry 4-5 wizards and before that it was 10x KC Aviars. These molds both take a while to beat in, but I have a feeling the VP is going to last a LOT longer. If the Summit is a good feeling and flying discs, then I don't have a problem with it. I also have a big stack of beat Wizards so I'm good that wat too. Idealy I'd only like one putter in the bag, but if two are needed, then two are needed. I like multiples so I know how each disc flies.

So all in all, after all this rambling, I'd like to see 2 durabilities available. If that's not the route you and Vibram want to go, I'd say keep it real durable like it is now, cause they are sweet, and just offer the different flexibilities

I'm not getting the reviews saying these are soooooooo slow and no glide. Compared to a Wiz or Aviar P&A, they are slower and have less glide, but its not a crazy amount. I think their speed, glide and stability all balance out to a fine, consistant disc.

i think they do seem pretty slow compared to my other putters. my aviars are much faster when thrown flat and they dont fade out as hard as the VP's do either. the VP has seemed to perform especially well when thrown on the correct hyzer line by me that is. the disc is a consistent disc though. i am certainly not denying that. its great! but it does seem slow until you acclimate to that, which isnt hard to do because these putters fit in my hand and feel so very nice.

Is it consistant to throw 4 discs from 60' away and have them all touching each other 6 feet past the basket - right side? I did that twice today... while just throwing around for about 25 minutes between Baskets #6 and #8 at Lincoln Park right by my house...

Truly loving this disc... I have to say the more I throw them... the harder it is for me to tell the difference between the A's and B's - anyone else having the same experience?

Yeah. The Bs seem to be loosing a bit of their firmness from flexing and use.

i started with loving the A and have come to enjoy the B a little bit more....the A seems to be a bit floppy for my taste similar to jk 3x-4x.

Has anyone tried some intentional breaking in? (Walls, trees, thumbers to the parking lot)

You first... ;)

Has anyone tried some intentional breaking in? (Walls, trees, thumbers to the parking lot)



Yes. :D

The flight plate seemed to loosen up under the repeated stresses. The scuffs/nicks were minimal. The stability remained consistent.

i did play object golf for some time today and was hit trees pretty [censored] hard. they were wide and i was far away so i could throw AT it from afar due to the width of the trees. it didnt change a bit. very sturdy disc. they dont scrape up too bad either. obviously any road will eat up any disc but these seem to take to the abuse much better than other plastics ive thrown.

Has anyone tried some intentional breaking in? (Walls, trees, thumbers to the parking lot)



Yes. :D

The flight plate seemed to loosen up under the repeated stresses. The scuffs/nicks were minimal. The stability remained consistent.



Wowza. Sounds like I'd have to play on an asphalt course to get these to break in. I bet they are nice when they finally get there though

Played in some 20-30mph winds with 35mph gusts yesterday.

The VP is the best windy day putter hands down. I've never had a putter perform this well in the wind. I think yesterday solidified its spot in the bag. Its like a Wizard and a Rhyno or Bulldog had an illegitamate child

great way to put it dave. couldnt agree more. played a very windy round myself on sunday(30-35 mph gusts: steady 25) and it was great. and its holds a hyzer line great!

It would be nice to get one to try out. :)

//looks around to see that everyone has new plastic. :(

lol

-Chris

The more I throw it the more it grows on me. They are super durable. I still have to say that my favorite thing about them is how hard they will pull to the right when turned over (RHBH). Has anybody else noticed this. They are very predictable. Hyzers go up and come down without much carry. Throw it straight and it will hyzer out without much carry. Get over on it on a straight line and it will hold for a long time before fighting their way back to flat. And the forced turnover is amazing. Give them enough height and watch them pull out of the turn to flat and stay heading in the same direction while picking up speed. Still can't force myself to putt with them exclusively because it is tourney season. The few times I have they grip the chains and if they miss they drop very close to the basket. I am a push putter but they make me want to spin putt or put a little more spin than I use with my KCs. Everyone that I have shown the, to have can't wait for them to come out. This being the first disc from vibram and coming out to be exactly what they were aiming for makes me very excited to see what they will do in the future. Am I the only one that would like the plastic to be firmer?

Am I the only one that would like the plastic to be firmer?



Nope. We've heard this from several other testers as well. And yes, we are listening.

I haven't played with these in real warm weather yet, only 55-65ish. I'm used to putting with 10x Aviars and M and F Wizards, but I haven't had any trouble adjusting to these. The one problem I could see with a harder one could be that they'd be really slick. A nice grippy texture on a really firm one would be nice.

You could make a firm one and call it C, then you'd have the ABC's of putting. (Sorry. That was bad)

I have played with them in weather from 55-80F. They haven't changed at all. Same firmness same texture in all weather.

One of my favorite things is how easy they are to clean up, if they get wet just wipe once and all the grip and texture returns.

: ) :

I don't think I've ever taken to a putter this quickly. I'm not just saying that because I feel I have to.

Does anyone have any negative thoughts about these?

i thought the bead might be a little big but that is the only petty little thing i could think of. otherwise not at all. the B plastic especially.

i love the extra large bead, fits right in my hand

: ) :

Does anyone have any negative thoughts about these?



The text on the undersize is too big but Steve already said that they were going to fix that. I'm not a big fan of the Vibram logo in the middle because I like to dye discs and that disrupts the "canvas" if you will. I haven't tried to apply dye so I'm not for sure if it can even be done so it may be an invalid complaint any way. That was the two things that I put on my initial reaction questionnaire. No complaints with the flight, grip or durability. I did notice that one of my A discs got a little softer when left in my truck and it got up to about 90degrees inside but the B stayed pretty firm. Anyone else in warmer temps have that happen yet?

one thing about the vibram label on the top is if the disc gets turned over and slides, dirt will get stuck in the channels around the label and it's a pain to get out.

: ) :

i personally like stamp on top. no real reason though. just do. maybe flatter or more shallow on the top?(for the label that is)

Have any of you guys totally replaced your normal putter line up with these?

I was carrying 4 Wizards, but now I just have 2 VP in the bag. I could use something with a little more touch, but I'm working these quite well.

Can't wait for the summits!

i was using two 4x jk aviars but now have my 175 jk aviar and one VP(B) the VP is my main putter though and has done nothing but help my game! i am pumped about the summit! anyone who got a VP want to trade a B for an A? the A is just too floppy for me so i wont throw it but the B is my favorite.

i love the plastic, but im not crazy about the mold. it gets down too fast and dives early. i have to throw it really hard to get it out there, id rather throw a challenger with more finesse and get it there instead of beefing the vp. but as for putting it hits the chains and sticks. the flex stops any force, and the grip stops any spin and it just dies. i havent had any kickout, and when you hit the assembly or the tray, it just hits the ground and sits. i think its hard to get into the discgolf putter market, there are so many putters that are very similar, especially stable beaded putters, but i think the plastic is something special, and where vibram should do well.

i wish the logo didnt stick up or down from the flight plate, its neat but gimmicky. and even if its minimally, it has to slow it and make it fly off axis. and i want mydiscs to all fly, well... like discs. balanced and intentional.

Any one willing to part with one of these I gotta get my hands on one I have stuff to trade PM me Please

I don't. I'm trying to get more! I'm OCD for backups

I've replaced my putters with the VP(B)s and have a VP(A) for short drives and approaches in the bag.

: ) :

Have any of you guys totally replaced your normal putter line up with these?



I have pretty much followed the directions of the trial and replaced the putters in my bag with these. I was carrying 2 SSS Wizards (1 for putting and 1 for short drives) and now have two VPs. (B for putting and an A for short drives). The only thing that I may have changed is that I may use a beat pro-D Buzzz for some up-shots where I would have thrown a Wizard in the past. I can't quite talk myself into using a VP for the shot right now. So for right now they have totally replaced my Wizards. I could possible see going back to a Wizard for those up-shots but may not because I have the Buzzz in my bag any ways and there is no need to have two discs that for the same purpose.

I wish I had more time on the course with them is my only complaint right now. :(

I was killing some 30-45 fts. at weekly doubles tonight. When you putt them flat they get from point A to point B really quick.

: ) :

If you looking for someone to test out those five fingers kto's on some disc golf courses let me know. Those things look like they could be great with all the tough terrain we play on and the weather conditions we play through.

If you looking for someone to test out those five fingers kto's on some disc golf courses let me know. Those things look like they could be great with all the tough terrain we play on and the weather conditions we play through.


Where did you see these?

I would love to have one of these if any are available for trade. PM's appreciated.

I am awaiting the arrival of my VP. Steve will these be out to the public by the Vibram????

Steve Godge,

Thanks for including me in your test.

I told you that a "warm weather" tester was needed.

steve timm

Thanks for all of the great feedback. The Summit mold should be ready in the next few weeks and if they are happy with the way that it flies (hopefully a nice complement to the VP), it will be ready for field testing in the next month or so.

Are the Summits going to ran in the same plastics and flexes as the VP's or are you going to have some new blends?

We will be working on some new blends. We are going to try to work out a much stiffer blend as well as either the A or B blend. Probably 70%+ of the responses we got said they liked the B (stiffer) blend and/or would like a blend even stiffer. We're going to see what we can do to make that a reality.

I have about 15 rounds under my belt on these. Picked them up about 4 weeks ago, and they are great. I really didn't get them for disc golf because I like my Solomon�s, but I thought what the heck. I 1st thought I would be twisting my ankles and the soles or uppers would tear right through, but they are holding up great. I've played rocky, wooded, and grassy courses with them and no troubles. I'll be playing 7 courses in the Charlotte and surrounding areas this monday and tuesday and see how they hold up to some real abuse. I'll probably get another pair while I'm in Charlotte thinking about the Flows. I have been wearing my KSO's everywhere (work, grocery shopping, out to eat, ect) I love them. I can't stand wearing shoes anymore they are just to constricting.

Any updates on the summits? I can't wait to get the VPs less stable brother!!

The most recent Summit mold should be completed by the end of next week. Aaron is tweaking the rubber blends and if we are happy with how they fly, we may have some ready to ship to testers in the next few weeks.

will the testers who received the VP be getting the SUMMIT? or is the tester list going to change drastically to all new people? thanks Steve. looking forward to having the counterbalance to the VP

Most of the VP testers will remain on. We will also be looking for some new testers to fill out the geographic and ability demographics a bit better.

Will you just email all the prior testers and let them know if they will be testing the Summits as well?

I'll gladly donate my time again to help out the good cause.

Yes, that will be happening, along with a status report on where things stand.

Hey Steve!
Just wondering how things are going with the summit? Is Vibram impressed? I was also wondering if you've run any stiffer VP's yet? So far the VP meets 2 of the 3 criteria I look for in a putter. The VP is by far the most durable piece of plastic Ive ever seen. Ive played well over 100 rounds with my VP's and only one of them has a tiny nick on it where plastic is missing... other than that there still isnt even a mark on them. Secondly the VP has lived up to its stability, still as stable as the first day! The only other thing I look for in a putter is the firm/stiffness of the disc and in my opinion thats all the VP is lacking. IM LOVIN THESE THINGS! Cant wait for an update on the summit and VP.

Thank you Steve for puTTing the best puTTer in the world into my hands :-D

Matt Robidas

Per Aaron Ala (Vibram honcho) on the NEFA board:
Steve and I were out testing the first pressings of the Summit today. First impression is that it is a prefect compliment to the V.P. If the V.P. was Mr. Hyde, the Summit is Dr. Jekyll or something like that. Holds a nice straight line, with a little bit of gas it hyzer flips beautifully, lots more float than the V.P. Taking the feeback from the last round of testing, we have a new X-link formula that we are running them out of. A little firmer and more grip out of the box.

The only bad news is that I will be in Europe next week so test samples wont be ready for a few weeks.

Stay Tuned...

Ditto on what VeganRay said Aaron said. The Summit is my kind of putter. The VP is my kind of putter off the tee. Stiffer is being tweaked. Look for us to be able to get tester samples out in a couple weeks (and don't quote me on that, maybe I should say a few weeks. - )

Also, I may be able to make an announcement one way or the other about a release date for the VP in the coming weeks too.

all exciting info! thanks for the updates and glad to hear that the reg production is happening. had a bunch of wonderers asking me that.

any updates on the Summits?

The first Summits in its first X-Link (which is a firmer version of the B material that the testers got) were run on Tuesday and were a tad heavy (176-177 grams). Aaron and the press fellas are working on a few tweaks and they believe we will be able to get the weight down to the legal 175g limit. We'll find out tomorrow.

sweeet

The first Summits in its first X-Link (which is a firmer version of the B material that the testers got) were run on Tuesday and were a tad heavy (176-177 grams). Aaron and the press fellas are working on a few tweaks and they believe we will be able to get the weight down to the legal 175g limit. We'll find out tomorrow. AAWWW a gram or 2 why muss I weigh discs before I throw em and have found some of Innovas stuff to be off by as much as 4 grams I had a USDGC SB ROC from 06 said weighed 180 the thing was such a pig I'd throw it with an anny and it would flex out of it pretty quick put it on a scale and it weighed 190 My frist Star Destroyer 178 the 1st run ones and have weighed some 170s and they where 165-168

No official word on a release date yet, but a hint would be that it is about a month and a half away (or at least that is the tentative plan).

Vibram discs will be within tolerance or they won't go out. The QC guy is pretty on the ball - and he seems to always be smiling (which I think is odd for QC guys).

If I did not say it before, the plan is to release the VP in two firmnesses and in three or four weight ranges (167-169, 170-172, 173-175, and 164-166 if we can get that low).

No official word on a release date yet, but a hint would be that it is about a month and a half away (or at least that is the tentative plan).



That will be right arond the time of a huge Event in MA. I think. :)

Maybe I can save you shipping costs if I'm still worthy enough to be a tester. ;)

Has anyone beaten a VP to straight yet? I've tried for the last 3-4 months with no luck

mine are going straight now... have to give them a touch of hyzer to get them to hyzer... still love them. i need more!

I use an A for drives and its definitly fading later in flight, but it still needs a pop for it to not just hyzer out.

When will these go into production? I love mine. So predictable. I use it for up shots. It got rid of my fly by the basket shot when apporaching and short holes.

update por favor good sir if at all possible. been a minute since the almost ready post. just figured i would ask. THANKS! hope the prep for the VO is going well also. wish i could be there.

He said on DGR that the VPs look like they will be out mid August.

thank you dave. speaking of the summit's progress as well.

How can you not love the summit? Opened the package to find bold red discs with cool yellow vibram logo in the center. These things just look too cool.


Will be doing a full write-up next week.

Are they being sent out to the testers? I haven't got anything about them.

The tester Summits should be going out next week. I've got the packs together and am getting the shirts / sizes all lined up. I sent some Summits out last week to some folks that are coming to the Vibram Open to see what they think.

(they seem pretty sweet to me though!)

Nice!! Thanks Steve!

Awsome! I cant wait to get some summits...

Matty, did you steal my avatar from DGR? Its off centered like mine.

are all of the previous testers going to get them? or will it be a select few?

Im going to the Vibram was hoping I'd get one but HHHMMM......... Nada LOL

What plastic blend did the testers get ran in?

And good choice on the red color. Almost as cool as black.

the tester summits are in the new X-Link Firm - a bit firmer than the old "B"

Good call!!

I am loving this summit for approach shots. Throw it with some hyzer and it flips up nicely. As for a putter, it does work well, but the rim is not quite deep enough for my fingers. If this could be made with just a slightly deeper rim (aviar,magic, etc) it would be perfect for my game. BUt with the shallow rim, I just don't get thr right grip and release for putting. But it is money for upshots. I have hit the basket twice from outside of 200 feet in just 3 rounds played!!

Would you say its XD shallow?

How does the feel compare the the Ringer?

The depth of the rim is very similar to an XD.

Been hitting some huge putts with these things. Just wish they didn't have all the stuff molded on the bottom of the disc, as my hand always rubs on them when putting.

Mine are in the mail. But I'm dying to know, is the rubber logo/stamp thingy in the middle like the V.P.? Can anybody post some pics?

Yes the logo is there. I got a couple cream colored ones from someone and have used them 5 or so rounds. Les HSS than I had anticipated. I'm finally starting to get them dialed in. I'm still on the fence. The plastic is sweet.

that's too bad about the logo. I think it looked cool/unique, but it causes some wobble in the flight, because it is not symmetrical. In my testing, that was the number one complaint.

I've seen ZERO wobble from it. How's it make it unbalanced when its centered?

it's centered, but it's not circular, thus the weight is not evenly dispersed. I noticed the wobble on my weak putts, so I watched carefully as some local pros used it, for putts as well as 200ft range drives. Same thing, wobble. It's subtle but it's there. It doesn't bother me, it's currently my number one putter, but it could detract from sales. I hope they don't release it like that.

was an email with a tracking number sent for shirts or shirts and discs?

was an email with a tracking number sent for shirts or shirts and discs?

If I had an email, yes. Steve, shoot me an email and I can check on it for you. I have an odd feeling about your Summits, some hazy vague recollection of something or other.

Steve.

It looks like it is official. I'll be at the Worlds Flymart with my Vibram hat on (please note, the hat is only theoretical, there is no physical hat). I'll have VPs and Summits for folks to test out. Stop on by and let us know what you think.

Woohoo!

Just unpacked my shiny red Summits. So beeyooteeful; I didn't think dg plastic could be that richly-colored. Love the XD-ish shallow rim & tacky (the oiliness of the VP plastic has been remedied) stiff-but-not-too-stiff plastic. That sharp flashing on the rim is a little uncomfortable, but nothing a little carpet friction won't remedy. Can't wait to get out to the tiki course & put these babies through their paces this evening. Will report back tomorrow.

If only they came in the "rubber vomit" plastic . . .

awesome! the understabilty when you want it. SO NICE! feels great! tosses nice! lovin it. just had a baby boy so ill test them somewhere other than mine and my neighbors yard asap. THANK YOU!!!!

The summit got Kernan singing during the round,

Lollypop, lollypop oh lolly lollypop...

Sweeter than candy on a stick
Huckleberry cherry, a lime
If you had a choice she'd be your pick
But Lollipop is MINE!
...
Like the way she thrills me, tell you why
It's like lightning from the sky
She doesn't kiss me till I can keep straight
Gee my Lollypop is great


http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:Jt3gyMZLI2YiOM:http://www.best-of-web.com/_images/080916-145028-012007.jpg

Vegan Ray Parrish

Don't get too comfortable with that
candy red sweetheart.
After the test drive, you must pay the piper:).

Prior to league tonight, we played catch with
the summit from 100-175 feet.
Held whatever line and never skipped.
Forehand, it will turnover or hyzer just flick it!

I like the plastic, let one sit on my South Louisiana
dashboard for 4 hours, got hot but kept same flex
as the "control" disc.

s timm

Got mine in yesterday. Feel the same as the other 2 I got earlier. I love the way the smell of rubber fills the room when I opened the box. I will get to toss them this weekend. Love the RED

I got to throw them around last night. As of right now, all I have to say is...............F'n SWEET!!!:D:D:D

More info to come soon.

My initial take...

I love this plastic!!!

Unfortunately, I didn't like this mold.

But man, I love this plastic...

The grip and firmness are magical.

As they say...

Winner! Winner! Chicken Dinner!

What didn't you like? The mold, like the feel in the hand or the way the mold flies?

What didn't you like? The mold, like the feel in the hand or the way the mold flies?


Feel in the hand... To be honest didn't even throw... I would start my routine for my throwing motion and I just couldn't get comfortable with the "handle" in my hand...

The shape just felt so foriegn to me... so I know I am not being fair to them since I didn't throw them.

But sometimes there are somethings you just don't like... so I short circuited the whole process. I feel bad about that, but I don't like what I don't like.

That said, I love the plastic - a VP in this plastic I would very much want to throw.

A full line of discs in this plastic, the red stuff, I very much want to throw...

I hear ya about the feel. I haven't thrown a shallow putter in years. That said, I'm getting the hang of them and really enjoying the flight. They will probably be out once I get a VP broken in. I have a beat one coming my way in trade and one of my original ones is finally starting to change a bit.

once I get a VP broken in.

good luck. If successful, Let us know how you did it.

would anyone be willing to let me grab one of their summits or even a VP? PLEASE pm me. will pay or trade or accept as a gift for a new father who shouldnt be buying anything but diapers and wipes.lol

has anyone els not got the summit yet?

I got mine a couple weeks ago I think.

I did just read that these will go to the public starting the 14th and will cost $18.

Looks like I'll be carrying both the VP (floppy rubber) and the Summit (X-Link firm) in my bag for the foreseeable future. Tested the Summit extensively all last week in western NC & quite like it for point-and-shoot approaches (as long as it's dry), as it holds pretty much any line very gracefully all the way to the ground. A little slippery when caught in a tornado-ish downpour, but what isn't, I suppose. Firm plastic just doesn't work for putting for me, but I'm sure there will be those who love the easy release & predictable flight of this disc for that purpose. My kingdom for a floppy rubber version . . .

I got mine a couple weeks ago I think.

I did just read that these will go to the public starting the 14th and will cost $18.

The V.P. will be going on sale on the 14th.

The Summit is still in the testing phase and we haven't done a complete verification run to ensure that we can hit weights with minimal rejects yet. Proto Summits will be in the player packs and there will be a few dozen available at the event.

Wher ewill they be on sale and when I know you said at the Event but like the 13th or on friday the 14th gotta get another besides the one in players pack

We are finalizing the stores that will be carrying them this week.

Here are a couple places that have VP's already

http://www.vibramdiscgolf.com/

http://www.sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=2376

Marshall Street and Prime Discs will have then as well.

Jason Southwick and the Krewe at Marshall Street
will answer the phone with pleasant speaking voices.

1-508-304-7055

http://marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/proddetail.asp?prod=vp_xlink
http://marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/prodimages/vp_xlink.jpg
grow dat dere sport, cher

Yup, Marshall Street has some awesome Blazin' Orange firms

Just ordered 3 of each from Marshall Street.

If you don't like them, I'm ready to trade for them.

this may have been brought up before but do all of vibram's discs have the rubber yellow vibram symbol in the middle on the top? how does this affect the flight and are they PDGA approved even though they have the raised surface?

They meet PDGA tech standards.

I can't be 100% sure that the logo doesn't effect the flight because I've never thrown one without a logo. That said, I haven't seen any problems with any of mine over the last 6 months. I use them as my putter, approach, and overstable mid. Zero issues.

no problems with it here either. i also have been putting and approaching with my vp(B) since they were handed out. i drive more with the summit and it has not been affected by the logo either. nice understable flight to balance the other. and still "zero issues"

I guess I have one problem, THEY DON'T GET FLIPPY! I got a year old one from one of the very first tests and its beat in, but its just straight with a smaller fade. It's just about like my first proto VP(A) that had been my only thrower. Maybe it will in the next year.

the summit will turn over! beautifully! actually pretty hard sometimes if you dont put enough hyzer on the disc to begin with it will dive right quick and come back late. ITS GREAT! pm if you are interested in trying a summit.

Mr. Steve

Frist off what a great weekend of Golf Barry 49 WOW. Next when do you expect the Summits to go into full run I love the one from the players pack but don't wanna throw it. Any way to get the testers besides begging for one on the traders thread LOL. PM me if you want to respond that way. NICE JOB THIS WEEKEND looking foward to next year all ready

http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee18/dgdave/101_3932.jpg

Are those all production colors? Did the proto VPs get released in those colors we got to test? Fill me in Dave Ive been out of the loop

Some are the testers, some are the production, some are the early protos from alst year, one is a limited one from the worlds this year. I'm trying to get the black VO ones now. I have the VPs but had to sell them :(

http://primediscs.com/proddetail.asp?prod=proto%2Dsummit%2Dvp%2Dcombo

They have both the VP and Summit black with raised lettering only 4 left but $100
I have seen the Black Summit protos on ebay for $40

the VP went for 60 the last time it was available on primediscs.com

the VP went for 60 the last time it was available on primediscs.com
Its bot the VP and the SUmmit Protos

Okay, so some dust is starting to settle and I remember a few pages back there was a brief discussion about the Vibram Rating System for discs. As I am one of the main developers of this system, I would like all feedback and thoughts. The goal is to build the most accurate and understandable rating system (even though these two goals are quasi-contradictory.)

http://www.vibramdiscgolf.com/ratings.html

I say keep it simple thats too much for one to think about
I'd say rate it more like Innova. Speed Just how fast it will go 4.2 is a good speed maybe 5 for the VP Fade I'd say +5 it almost spikes and turn there is none unless you anny it so i'd say
Fade +5 Speed 4.5-5 Turn 0
J.M.O.

Simple is good. However, I would like the simple to be relative. Using the Innova model, a Boss is a 13 and a Leopard is a 6 or 7. The Boss does not fly twice as far as a Leopard. I'd like the speed/distance ratings to have real meaning.

If you buy a VP with a speed/distance of 60/4.2 = 252
and you buy a Vibram Mid with a spd/dist of 60/6 = 360

then you know fairly precisely that these discs are designed to be thrown with the same gusto and that the mid will fly 100 feet farther with the same gusto put on it.

Simple is good, but we opted for simple and relative.

Summit Release Date: Friday, November 27th

Contact your favorite disc golf stores and make sure they have them in stock in time for the holidays.

First Run Summits are all black and have no flight rating info engraved into the mold.

------------------

Huge announcement, part deux: VP lighter weights are coming online as we speak. Look for them trickling into stores just after Thanksgiving and early December.

Fantastic, Steve. Great work!

A couple of ?s:
1) What stiffness(es) will be run at first?
2) What weights will be run?
3) What tweaks (if any) have been performed from the proto version to the production version?

Vibram Disc Golf is on Twitter: http://twitter.com/VibramDiscGolf

Fantastic, Steve. Great work!

A couple of ?s:
1) What stiffness(es) will be run at first?
2) What weights will be run?
3) What tweaks (if any) have been performed from the proto version to the production version?

The first run Summits will be in X-Link Firm.
- The stock Summits (a couple weeks down the road) will be in both materials.
167-175 is the target. I think we're hitting it so far.
No tweaks to the mold, but the materials have been tweaked a bit for the production Summit.

When will we be able to buy the summits and the new Vibram Ridge.

And whats with the 24 LB Jerel throws come from?

The Summit is becoming available at our Pinnacle stores and other quality shops that carry Vibram golf discs (ask your local store to give me an email and get them: dodges@vibram.us)

Here are the Pinnacle stores that should have them now or very soon:
http://www.vibramdiscgolf.com/resources.html

--------

The Ridge has been PDGA approved and we will begin our field testing in the next month. No release date has been set.

DVD was again a worthwhile purchase even with the "digital noise" in a few places that Steve commented on during the video.

Can't wait until JAN 1st to sign up again for the 2010 Vibram Open.

Maybe I'll show up more than 3 times for 15 total seconds in 3 hours in the 2010 version. :)
Although I did lead off the RPM contest footage!


Keith

Actually - I should say the DVD is and has MUCHO GALORE!!!! :)

Apologies to Steve as it doesn't sound as good in print as he makes it sound on the DVD.

Vibram is everywhere people. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia episode 11 with Mac and Charlie talking in the office of Paddy's Pub. Looking forward to the Ridge. anymore update on that? also looking for light brown and black vp's/summits. please help. have tons to trade. champ rocs, etc.

Hi Steve,

Can you send me some information about the teepads that are described on the sign in the magazine article? Thanks

Jason

Hi Jason,

The teepad project is in round three of testing and is currently a back burner project while a better recycled rubber adhesive is found.

Steve.

Steve, did you send us a dvd as a sponsor?

we haven't received anything yet?

Hi Dave, first off, thanks for being an Ace Sponsor last year and congrats to you and your team on Nikko's win at the USDGC. I look forward to seeing him (and even more Gateway players) at the Vibram next year.

We sent the DVD to this address:

Gateway Disc Sports
234 B Kingston Drive
St. Louis, MO 63125

Steve.

Hi Steve,

We got our VIBRAM order and am really happy to be on the list! Thanks Again!

Also, whats the deal with these X Mas discs, other than being sweet?

Nevermind. I calmed down, stepped away from the box and read the letter.

Thanks Again!

What's the Xmas disc? I want one!

Vibram is everywhere people. It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia episode 11 with Mac and Charlie talking in the office of Paddy's Pub.

Vibram is a multi-billion dollar corporation based in Italy whose products are used all around the world. Check out their website (http://www.vibram.com/) for all the different things they make. They are most famous for their shoe soles which are used in just about every walk of life. I will definitely look to buy my next pair of ski boots with Vibram soles. :cool:

What's the Xmas disc? I want one!



Its a sick Ridge with a misle-toe / poinsetta dyed appearance. Its pretty gross. Very X-Masy.


I know you have been collecting them all, if you cant find one for yourself let me know.

There were only a few dozen of the Christmas discs made. We sent one to each retailer as a thank you (I would recommend not parting with it too easily) and there were a handful that were distributed to the disc golf folks here at Vibram DG. Hopefully someone (Chase?) can figure out how to take a picture of one.

looking for grey proto ridge. have awesomeness to trade! please help.

If you buy a VP with a speed/distance of 60/4.2 = 252
and you buy a Vibram Mid with a spd/dist of 60/6 = 360

then you know fairly precisely that these discs are designed to be thrown with the same gusto and that the mid will fly 100 feet farther with the same gusto put on it.

Simple is good, but we opted for simple and relative.

Was some kind of machine (similar to a pitching machine maybe) used to test the fade and turn values at different speeds?

Just curious about how those values were derived.

Also, this would be more useful if the average player could figure out their "normal" thrown speed easily. Then you could select a disc based on how well its flight characteristics matched your thrown (arm) speed.

Love my Vibram putters.

We don't have a throwing machine. We used a camera, a radar gun and a distance finder. And we used the same person throwing so spin was hopefully minimized as a differentiating (is that a word?) factor.

Ideally a player would be able to throw a VP and watch it fly and determine if they are getting it to its ideal speed. If so, all is good. If not, I'd recommend discing down to the Summit.

Hi Steve,
Is there any chance of any of the three discs being run under 160g for players going to the Japan Open?

First flight impressions of green Ridge:
Very comfy in the hand. At approach speeds, a pretty darned straight flyer, but I felt myself wanting a little more HSS & a little less LSS to get the laser-straight flightpath I was craving. Much closer to VP than Summit in overall flight, but tends to hyzer-fade where the VP just drops straight out of the sky. The softer X-Link really shines for putting. It seemed to agree with my slight anny touch putting style & I made more than my share of 25-40 footers. Distance control was a little sketchy on longer 50-80 footers, but (for now) I attribute that to unfamiliarity. A good ca$h finder, with three Tiki aces on the night.:D

More flight impressions of green Ridge:
There's definitely a "sweet spot" there for a beeyooteeful arrow-straight 180-foot approach, but it is tantalizingly small. A little too much snap & it'll turn over to stay & a little too little & it'll gently hyzer out. For me, that "sweet spot" seems to lie right on the border between a firm huck & a touch shot, so it is hard for me to dial it in.

For putting, I'm really liking this disc. The softer X-Link material allows for some sinking in of the fingers, which I really need for good putting touch. It seems to have good carry, as I was making 35+ foot straddles all weekend & leaving none short (my go-to miss normally). Very confident on <20 foot shorties. Don't think I missed a single one <16 feet all weekend.

Yeah the feel itself is great. Think mine was frozen for awhile, but now its great. For the most part, Id echo what you reported, I felt the same way and have been throwing them all together. I was hoping for a more straight finishing disc. Havent had a chance to rip it real hard yet. Really like it so far as a putter, but these are lighter than Im used to and I tend to be babying it a bit. Sticking a little better in the chains it seems. I like it though, even the light ones.

Id say it falls in left center more than center field.

Hi Steve,
Is there any chance of any of the three discs being run under 160g for players going to the Japan Open?

Good timing on the question. The discs that I tweeted about (http://twitter.com/VibramDiscGolf) were Aaron Ala (the Vibram Disc Golf chemist) cutting up discs - possibly to weigh them / determine their specific gravity. I saw one as low as 161 grams.

How low can Aaron go? or a better question, how low can Aaron go before the Japan Open?

This is the one for me, I'm using the gray firm version and it is what I've been wanting all along. Keep in mind I'm only using them for putting only. To me it gets carry like a dx aviar with the stability of a lightly seasoned kc aviar. A very affective putter at all ranges, its straight with a slight hyzer fade that's predictable. I've tested all the vibram putters and this is a must get, you wont be sorry.

I just got my ridges, putted a bit, and threw a few approaches from about 80-100ft. I like the flight as a putter even though I had a hard time finding a consistant release (much more flat than my preferred KCs). The ridge is nice as an approach disc and seems to sit nicely. I loved the disc for sidearm flick approaches, big anhyzers are money with the ridge. I look forward to getting them out to an open field.

When do you plan on working on some mids? The shape, feel, and flight of each putter leaves me drooling at the potential vibram has to make some amazing midranges.

Thanks,
Chris Waugh

I took to the fields and was pretty impressed with the overall flight of the ridge.
I have a dark green 174 and a black 173. The green is a bit more overstable than the black.
Hyzers stayed hyzered, throwing flat kept it straight, and anhyzers floated softly holding the turn.
There is a bit of HSS that keeps the disc from getting flat from a hyzer release or rolling over when thrown flat. But of course if you crush it over it will turn.
I was getting into it and couldn't get much of a straight, flat flight from a hyzer release. It would come out hyzer, hold the hyzer line continue straight and fall off at about 250-275 without much glide.
Throwing flat and out, not over, kept a nice straight controlable flight about 265-290. If I let it go a bit early it would finish on a slight hyzer angle. Never rolled it over.
Big distance line anhyzers are fun with the ridge. The disc can handle some torque, not as much as a VP but it will continue over and straight easier than the VP. Trying to get some distance out of it I was throwing high with plenty of anhyzer angle. Both discs would hold a consistant turn fighting to flat as they slowed down ending around 300-330. I did roll the black one over once but it still tried to fight out.
I loved the disc for touch sidearms. Very, very easy to control.
I haven't spent too much time putting with it but the few times i did putt with it it flew well. Held a line well with a good LS come back. Pop it out flat or a bit anhyzer and it will come back at the chains.

Not too shabby. Anybody looking for a consistant putter should check it out.

When a Wizard dreams, it dreams it was a Ridge.

How do I get one?

How do I get one?

The ridges being discussed are protos for testing purposes. They are not officially released as of yet. The only way to get one is to be patient.

If testing keeps going in a good direction, these should be released in the Spring.

If testing keeps going in a good direction, these should be released in the Spring.

The flight of this disc is pretty freakn sweet.

MIDS, BRING ON THE MIDS!
A faster version of the ridge could rival any midrange on the market, and in the Xlink plastic, my goodness. Please, please, please, bring the mids.
Thank you.

Any one wanna part with one or two Im loving my VPs and Summits.

Steve,
What plastic is the Stone VPs? they are stiffer than any others I have I have the Navy ones and 2 Proto As
Can I get a run down on the X Xlink and others Ive heard of 24LB etc.?

have summits....

have summits....

Shoulda said does any one wanna part with a ridge or 2? I love my other Vibram Discs

When a Wizard dreams, it dreams it was a Ridge.



I dunno, maybe dreams about this awesome plastic, but flight wise- same thing for me.

Speaking of awesome plastic (or, rather, rubber), I just received an unexpected package in the mail from Vibram containing a Summit in a prototype of what they call "X-Link Soft Eco" rubber. It is as flexy (if not flexier) than my beloved "rubber vomit" VPs & is possibly the grippiest disc I have ever felt. Smells like a tire store. I'm gonna go hit the Tiki links this afternoon for an extended testing session.

Just sitting here at my desk holding & flexing it is giving me a semi. If a blend such as this makes it into production, y'all soft, floppy putter fans are gonna LOVE it.

http://www.tripledisc.com/preview/msdgc/summit1.jpg
http://www.tripledisc.com/preview/msdgc/summit2.jpg
http://www.tripledisc.com/preview/msdgc/summit3.jpg

Nice wedding ring ink!

Thx. Wife has brushed golden ring of exactly same shape. As the photo shows, it could use a touchup (being over 12 years old now & in a hi-abrasion area).

I went out and threw during my lunch break today and found that I had difficulty seeing my proto green Ridge. I was throwing all of the proto discs starting with the XP, then Ridge and finishing with the Summit. They were all landing where they should be in their stability but I kept having to take an extra few minutes to locate the Ridges in the grass. Even though I knew about where they were. I throw a lot of upshots with my putters instead of using mids and I may find this aggrevating in the summer having to constantly search for it when the Kentucky Bluegrass is really green and is about the same color as this disc.

The disc that Veganray has is sick! I used to throw SSS Wizards that I had beat into almost a floppy putter. It took a lot of work to switch to the Summit from them. I would love to try one of those eco summits.

I have an old Nerf frisbee that I can fold in half like that. Crazy understable as I can almost get it to barrell roll if I throw it high enough.

Blowfly?

I just got in one of those Eco Summits. Softer than a Blowfly.

I just got in one of those Eco Summits. Softer than a Blowfly.
Thats Crazy don't think id like that Sure some will. Pretty Sweet Vibram is doing Eco already. Or is ECHO? LOL

i need an eco summit! bad!

How floppy do you want your disc?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFerUgpS_rw

Here's a vid review of all 3 discs. Sorry for the bad camera angle and not being able to see the full flight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYi57iatI7Q

i definitely want an ECO Vibram disc. Currently in love with the rubber/plastic on the softer ridges.


Hey Vegan, I also have a tattooed wedding ring. I've never seen anybody else with one, until now.

i knew some people who got married and got their ink rings one day and were no longer married the next. ouch twice.

That's part of the deal. Marriage off = finger off. I'm quite serious.

do these have a bead?

Yes. It's a wizard/BB Aviar size bead.

do these have a bead?

The V.P. has a nice big beefy bead. It is great into the wind and off the tee. For approaches, it is not conducive to soft touch shots.

The Summit has a microbead with the same comfortable big shouldered wing. It is a finesse disc or a nice anny approach disc. It does not do well with too much power.

Both of these are available in the X-Link and the X-Link Firm materials.

The Ridge's bead is right down the middle of these two. The Ridge also flies right down the middle of these two and will hold practically any line it is put on. My guess is that for putting, the Ridge will be our best seller. But who knows, I also thought that Spinal Tap could have made that cover a touch more black.

I dunno. The more I use the Summit, the more I think it will be my everyday putter. I think Ill end up beating up this Ridge enough Ill use it for the Summit-type of approach shots.

any plans for a Vibram sole strictly patterned for the Disc Golf Tee off motion?
a good strong tread shoe that is conducive for twisting and throwing off of???

There are currently no plans for this type of shoe although tests are being conducted to determine how the soles wear and where pressure is applied. It is amazing how tough disc golf is on shoes.

Yes and my vision is to study a few disc golfers tee'ing off on a clear or glass teepad ( a few diff styles) while we observe there tread stress's from under neath to ge a better idea of the tread and grip needed for disc golf. I believe / envision some type of circular tread motion for a disc golf driving shoe, a pivot circle motion of tread??? that still has tread for walking / hiking...etc. I believe it would prolong the tread disc golf shoe life and help on knees for driving??? just my dreamy head coming up with an idea. But i think it could work . I do understand the market is not huge but it is growing??? I lovbe vibram and always have and will wear vibram sole merrell shoes....

even extended side walls for your driving shoe would be great, like soccer has added pad for kicking side, disc golf can have added pad for driving side of shoe where we drag sole and foot....? Have any opening for a design tech in your company??? lol
I am very passionate about seeing a truley good strong (vibram) made disc golf shoe coming to fruition...not a sandle...

Midrange?

We are investigating discs that go farther down the fairway. The Ridge will be released in the next month or so (see our ad in Disc Golfer magazine for an exact release date). Once this disc is available, our initial putter line will be complete and we will start looking down the fairway.