As sure as the sun will rise, this message board will pause momentarily upon opening any and every page! I visit 100's of websites a day; good ones, bad ones, naughty ones and nice ones and None of them do this,....none, zero, zip, zilch, nada!

Is there a members only, PDGA approved and/or sanctioned browser that i don't know about? Does the PDGA offer an internet connection at T3 speeds (45Mbps) for a nominal fee?

Come on! Really, what's the (insert intensive adverb) deal?

Will one of you computer/tech guys please explain? Will the PDGA please fix this problem? Will i have to ask my son to ask Santa to fix the problem?

<font color="red"> Dear Santa,
Will you please see that the PDGA takes My_Dad's and several of his friends $75 renewal fee, and all of their PDGA player fees throughout the 12 month season and have them fix the delay that occurs when he and his friends browse the message board?

Love,
Little_Hero

PS. I left you some milk and cookies, Rudolph some carrots and water, and the PDGA $2.12 (it was all i had in my piggy bank.) </font>

that's a good observation, this pause-before-each-page-load message board is a poor reflection upon our sport-of-the-future. i am sure the leadership is already all over this though and it will be fixed pronto (fingers-crossed-hoping-it's-true).

in deference to this trend, maybe when we renew we should send in one dollar each day instead of paying all at once :o

Using firefox, followed some advise on this bored
and installed a script blocker.
Then had to define the pdga site as non trusted (irony).
Works much better for the discussion section.

Then had to allow scripts for all other sites.
If I want to view the pdga schedule, have to
temporarily "trust" the pdga site.
Things slow back down 'til block is reset.

If this is progress...

steve timm

The entire site is slow for me, not just the DB and I have cable broadband at home and a T3 connection at work. Some days are better than others. However, the NHL site, which is similar to ours, is slow for me - not quite as slow as here, but slow. The PDGA site completely freezes up on me every once in a great while though too - at home and at work.

Everything is super fast for me, except the home page. I completely bypass that now. Get a MAC.

Glad to learn it's not my computer.

its slower than crap(in comparison to other sites and MB i visit) and i'm on a mac using safari...this Mb has gone so far down hill its a wonder anyone posts here(was that a underhanded comment about the PDGA???) how about removing the adds so the site is actually usable.....but no no $$$$$$$ C.R.E.A.M.....is that the PDGA slogan?

Is this thread serious? I really hope this entire thread is a joke and I'm missing the sarcasm.

I use a 7 year old IBM laptop with crappy wireless, and I can handle the .03 seconds it takes to open a page. Are you people really that impatient? Remember when everything was dial-up, and every page took 3 minutes to load.

Of all the many things that everyone says, "hey, we should just take $1 from everyone's player fees and do....." this takes the cake for the dumbest idea ever.

people don't make up what they find frustrating, and the changes in the DB have been unfavorable. is that the end of the world? ... of course not. But, the suggestion was that the website was going to be improved and when the changes are found worse than before it is natural and appropriate for people to say so.

engaged leadership should welcome such feedback and act upon it.

before you weigh in against the perspective of others please try several browsers and operating systems at this DB before acting like your experience trumps everybody elses ;)

....hang on, you can't read this yet, the delay hasn't let go of whatever it's hanging on to..... Okay, all better now. Continue reading the post below....

&lt;&lt;&lt; Click on the user profile. See that, member #57? I've been on this MB since day one, since before your 7 year old laptop was even cruising down the assembly line being built. I have seen the degression. It is frustrating; that's all. :D

As sure as the sun will rise, ...



As sure as the sun will rise, there is another "what do you hate about what the PDGA does with your membership fees" thread. Odds in vegas are even money for the same thing tomorrow :)

I don't disagree with anyone that there is a little delay (very little), nor do I claim to have more forum browsing experience then anyone (not something I'd brag about anyway). I just think it's a silly thing to complain about. It seems like that's all the majority of poster's here want to do is complain.

In an effort to be helpful, maybe it's the thousands of old posts that are slowing things down. Perhaps deleting some of them might speed things up?

It may only be a (very little) delay on your machine with your browser at your connection speed, but according to a lot of MB users it's a problem, sometimes even locking up completely.

In a sport that's fighting for legitimacy, and an organization that only gets 35% of it's members to renew, it seems *to me* that you'd want to keep the one's that have returned year in and year out happy by listening to their constructive criticism. (Is that a run on sentence, or what?)

I don't disagree with anyone that there is a little delay (very little), nor do I claim to have more forum browsing experience then anyone (not something I'd brag about anyway). I just think it's a silly thing to complain about. It seems like that's all the majority of poster's here want to do is complain.

In an effort to be helpful, maybe it's the thousands of old posts that are slowing things down. Perhaps deleting some of them might speed things up?



evidently you were not here before the changes were implemented and this wasn't an issue? :confused: i've been visiting here since 2002 and only very recently -- since the 'improvements' were implemented -- has this been an issue. was that when we gave the keys to the advertisers?

saying the majority here just want to complain neglects the fact that implicit in most complaints is an interest in making things better and an unwillingness to settle for the status quo. time is money and i don't support fleecing the membership :p

They've already said they don't plan to do any optimizations on the D-Board since it will be replaced in a few months.

They've already said they don't plan to do any optimizations on the D-Board since it will be replaced in a few months.



well, what can we expect the replacement to be like? hopefully not worse :D

They've said they are looking for D-Board software that works with this Drupal interface and would optimize accordingly.

Is this thread serious? I really hope this entire thread is a joke and I'm missing the sarcasm.

I use a 7 year old IBM laptop with crappy wireless, and I can handle the .03 seconds it takes to open a page. Are you people really that impatient? Remember when everything was dial-up, and every page took 3 minutes to load.

Of all the many things that everyone says, "hey, we should just take $1 from everyone's player fees and do....." this takes the cake for the dumbest idea ever.



I am member #34 and have been on the DB since 2000 and I agree with Walker. I do not have any problems with load times running Firefox on my home or work computer. My home computer may take a couple of seconds longer since the switchover, but it's not worth spending any time or money to "fix" the problem.


As sure as the sun will rise, there is another "what do you hate about what the PDGA does with your membership fees" thread.




Hey the sun is coming up!

I think what is wrong with the message board is that some of the members thought this was the Perpetual Discussion Groups of America when they joined. It was just a bonus that so many of the members also happened to play disc golf.

If you think it is slow now what if we had something like the 15 second commercials on CNN.com when we clicked on a link? Talk about aggravating ....

Bruce is right, pre 2000 there was no way for the community to DISCuss matters. Too bad for the millions(that's a guess) of nonmembers who cant contribute to the DISCussions or learn by asking specific questions.

I'm a 17-year IT Professional. The entire PDGA.com domain crawls like molasses no matter where I access it from.

Very poor decisions have been made in this 'upgrade'. I suspect that (as usual) very few actual IT people are allowed into the decision making process.

one of the first goals of the website should be to present our sport as 21st century ready. isn't a slow-as-molasses website a poor way to attract and retain web-saavy children who notice these things and who are the future of our sport?
:confused:

Bump, good thread John. The MB is a drag and new changes to the web site are disappointing. Just like fancy rapped piece of poop. :(

one of the first goals of the website should be to present our sport as 21st century ready. isn't a slow-as-molasses website a poor way to attract and retain web-saavy children who notice these things and who are the future of our sport?
:confused:

Get a clue. Do you really think there are kids out there saying, "Dude, I don't know. The game is fun enough but their message board sucks." This message board is so peripheral to the mission of the PDGA, if they were to shut it down completely we'd all just drift over to a half dozen other disc golf message boards and forget all about this one.

...if they were to shut it down completely we'd all just drift over to a half dozen other disc golf message boards and forget all about this one.



I think that transition has already commenced.

forgetting about the message board is a big step for a lot of people in the process of forgetting about the PDGA.

The message board is just one of many avenues where players become involved with the PDGA. (It probably helped draw me in). It's too bad that there were a bunch of childish posters who thought that this was their private playground to harass and ridicule. If some would grow up, the message board could go back to being open and serve that role again, but I don't see that happening any time in the foreseeable future.

I don't know what the new message board software will look like, but it would be great if there was a pre-moderated section where non-members could post questions on rules, technique, or general PDGA topics.

...if they were to shut it down completely we'd all just drift over to a half dozen other disc golf message boards and forget all about this one.



I think that transition has already commenced.



I agree. Things have been very quiet here since the last update. We've lost a lot of good people and probably some new people. I know that 1/5 days I give up on checking this site out because on my computer @ work it is really slow. I changed my preferences so that I don't see avatars, etc, to try and speed things up and it helped a little. Overall it is slow and more difficult to use than it used to be.

I also agree with John that this should be open to non-members. I found this MB early in my DG career. I had joined the PDGA once and I wasn't sure if I was going to continue membership until I found this MB. That solidified my membership. Dave D. and Blake (who founded discgolfreview.com) personally posted articles that Dave D. had written about throwing form/release mechanics and gave me feedback as I was working on these things in the field. With their help alone I went from competing in Int. and throwing 350' at best to throwing 450'. I had never seen anyone else throw 400' before they taught me. At the time it blew my mind that Innova's disc designer, inventer of the beveled edge disc, would actually take the time to personally teach a noob. That hooked me into DG, the PDGA, and probably Innova discs...

So I think that this MB is important and I think it still has the most expert individuals in our sport that post regularly. Its great that there are other MBs out there, but this one is still the most significant imo.

The entire PDGA.com domain crawls like molasses no matter where I access it from.



Best quote, thus far...............

It is easily the slowest website I have ever visited. Upgrade?!? :confused:

one of the first goals of the website should be to present our sport as 21st century ready. isn't a slow-as-molasses website a poor way to attract and retain web-saavy children who notice these things and who are the future of our sport?
:confused:

Get a clue. Do you really think there are kids out there saying, "Dude, I don't know. The game is fun enough but their message board sucks." This message board is so peripheral to the mission of the PDGA, if they were to shut it down completely we'd all just drift over to a half dozen other disc golf message boards and forget all about this one.



it's a little more subtle than that Bruce -- and here's a clue: this website creates an impression. you got acclimated to disc golf before you ever came here to learn about the sport, so the impression this site leaves you with hasn't nearly as big an impact...

Get a clue. Do you really think there are kids out there saying, "Dude, I don't know. The game is fun enough but their message board sucks."



well put.

Funny, I've had kids tell me EXACTLY that.
Kids/teens don't care about the PDGA's mission; they are looking for FUN.
When they witness a bunch of old coots bickering at each other, they assume the entire sport is filled with old coots bickering at each other.

And we all know if you hang around old coots too much you can get cooties...

What's wrong is that it takes over a minute from the HTTP request GET /msgboard/openx/www/delivery/lg.php?bannerid=35&amp;campaignid=1&amp;zoneid=16&amp;cb=ab218 24110 HTTP/1.1 before the HTTP/1.1 200 OK and the 43 byte gif can be returned. I can type the response faster than that.


Edit: Sorry. Wrong thread.

After making a post the following message is displayed:
Your post has been entered. In a moment you will be automatically returned to the forum.


How it should read:
Your post has been entered. In a minute or two you will be automatically returned to the forum.

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After making a post the following message is displayed:
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How it should read:
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:)



Glad to learn it's not just my computer. Wish i had Walker's equipment.:D

That minute or two is a result of that one slow unfilled GET request. The redirect timer can't start until the page is done loading.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnV4QlaCANg&amp;feature=related

The patience video <strike>sparked</strike> oozed an idea.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFhfoFNtz2Y

Interesting...

Every PDGA page loads within three to five seconds for me. I use Firefox with the Adblock Plus Plug-in (http://adblockplus.org/en/).

I've managed 1000+ user networks with multiple database servers and slow downs were typically a result of two major causes.

Either massive amounts of read/writes going on with the hard drives with the data you're trying to access. Or, massive CPU usage due to "Program A" not interfacing properly with "Program B." Think of it like you speak English as your main language but you can barely speak Spanish and you want to say something to someone in German. Well you need a translator, and your translator speaks Spanish but barely speaks German.

I'm willing to bet that the slow downs people experience are due to the "Program A and B" thing. I hope I made some sense...I didn't want to get too technical.

*Ironically when I tried to submit this post it took nearly five mintues.*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1VEY7ndKCs

same here except i'm using safari. while the page doesn't indicate it's fully loaded i can still navigate the board. posting takes far longer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFv5WnudkEk

I tested it out with IE6 and everything loads very slowly. I also tried it out with Google Chrome (http://www.google.com/chrome) and the message boards seem to load the fastest with Chrome. I'd still recommend Firefox, but that's my personal preference.

And if things still load slowly for people then sit back and enjoy :p

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucZJ7Uc9jzA

Interesting...

Every PDGA page loads within three to five seconds for me. I use Firefox with the Adblock Plus Plug-in (http://adblockplus.org/en/).

I've managed 1000+ user networks with multiple database servers and slow downs were typically a result of two major causes.

Either massive amounts of read/writes going on with the hard drives with the data you're trying to access. Or, massive CPU usage due to "Program A" not interfacing properly with "Program B." Think of it like you speak English as your main language but you can barely speak Spanish and you want to say something to someone in German. Well you need a translator, and your translator speaks Spanish but barely speaks German.

I'm willing to bet that the slow downs people experience are due to the "Program A and B" thing. I hope I made some sense...I didn't want to get too technical.

*Ironically when I tried to submit this post it took nearly five mintues.*



did the powers that be read ^ that ^ ?

also, after the Program A/B issue gets effectively addressed -- could the PDGA consider giving its members free Ad Block Plus with their renewals to make this new website even more user-friendly?

could the PDGA consider giving its members free Ad Block Plus with their renewals to make this new website even more user-friendly?

Next logical step,
the pDGA will offer an ad blocking level of membership.
Only $49.95 per year full add blocking.
If not a member, you can pay to have adds
blocked on an individual basis @ $.10 per add.

Do the math, write that check now.

right, slow the site down to a crawl and then force non-members to join if they want perks like access to a nice website ;)
the problem of course with that being it would likely have the same unintended consequences as blocking non-members from posting here has had: it would drive potential new members away rather than drawing them in...

<font color=" blue"> "For the words of the prophets are written on the Studio wall: Concert hall echoes with the sounds of salesmen ... of salesmen ... of salesmen!" </font>
-- Rush (Peart?): "Spirit of Radio"

They've already said they don't plan to do any optimizations on the D-Board since it will be replaced in a few months.

"optimizations" "in a few months" ... any chance of greater clarity as to what the optimizations will be, when the implementation date (at least tentatively) is, and whether the optimizations are expected to have a direct positive impact on the issues at hand?

its not the message board that needs optimizing. its the silly ads. the rest of the site has the same problems the message board has.

I did what others on the message board recommended and installed firefox with the ad block. Site works fine and fast now.

market share as of december 1, 2008

IE: 67.55%
Firefox: 21.53%
Safari 8.29%
Chrome 1.12%
Opera 0.70%
Netscape 0.57%

lets fix it for IE and the 2/3s of the market that uses that browser.

unless our IT guys are saying that they just cannot build a reasonably responsive website for IE?

This has nothing to do with browser choice/support. It's something in the backend when serving up the invisible 1x1 pixel tracker image.

is that hard to fix? evidently it does affect some browsers more than others... one would hope this website would be set up and tested to work well with at least the most popular 3 browsers... unless that is we have some special deal with Mozilla Firefox to make other browsers suck here in exchange for their sponsorship of the PDGA

People still use Netscape?

There is a guy on the HFDS board that says he doesn't come on here due to how slow it is. Maybe the website being slow keeps more off the MB then the "attacks" against the PDGA?

isn't that like saying the emperor is wearing no clothes? (in terms of how it is likely to be received...)

isn't that like saying the emperor is wearing no clothes? (in terms of how it is likely to be received...)




Well he has been playing a lot of events and has probably been playing for two years and he also posts everything imaginable on our board. He is an engineer though and loves links and websites so maybe his thoughts are right in saying that this MB is slow as he visits a lot of DG websites.

How do i know?

He posts like a million links when people ask questions referencing anything to do with the PDGA.

There is a guy on the HFDS board that says he doesn't come on here due to how slow it is. Maybe the website being slow keeps more off the MB then the "attacks" against the PDGA?



This is absolutely true. This message board is boring now there are so few people...I'm trapped here b/c I work at a school and this is the only DG MB that gets through the filters. It sucks b/c this should be the official DG MB, but it may be left by the wayside. How long is Dave D. going to keep reading this everyday when the same 10 people are the only ones asking questions?

How long is Dave D. going to keep reading this everyday when the same 10 people are the only ones asking questions?



Quite a while since he sees the 57,000 + views on Ask Dave version 4.

How long is Dave D. going to keep reading this everyday when the same 10 people are the only ones asking questions?



Quite a while since he sees the 57,000 + views on Ask Dave version 4.



What about when 56,600 of those views happened before the latest "update"? I remember every thread having multiple new posts every time I checked. Now many go days without replies and old staples like the equipment thread often see only a dozen or so posts a day. It used to be a blast to make a poll in the morning and check in in the afternoon and have 30+ posts. What happened?

The traffic still seems to be there, just less posting. If you look at the Who's Online, the non-members are usually two to three times the member counts.

How long is Dave D. going to keep reading this everyday when the same 10 people are the only ones asking questions?



10 members still post on this MB? :p

The traffic still seems to be there, just less posting. If you look at the Who's Online, the non-members are usually two to three times the member counts.



...and IMHO that was a poor move on the governing body's part just to keep out a few "grunionesque" folks. Now 66% of the peeps on here can only read.

yeah that opened the flood gates to non-PDGA member disc golfers who used to frequent this site to flee to other sites... places like www.discgolfreview.com (http://www.discgolfreview.com) are great, but shouldn't we be actively trying to attract non-members to come here and hang around? wouldn't we want this to be *the* place for disc golf enthusiasts?

I win taking the under on the over/under 3 hours for when AviarX would post regarding exclusion of non-members posting. :D

:DLOL:DWhat's the over/under on the PDGA taking back the MB and certain others taking back the sport? :D

do you get bonus points if i point out that carpet-bomb-blocking "fore" (Felix Sung) and newbies just to get rid of grunion was a very counterproductive decision? /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

who in the world thought it a good idea to expire the forum login cookie after one or two weeks? This is the only forum I visit which does this. Lack of confidence?? This is another of the reasons many people probably don't bother - they keep getting forced logouts every 10-14 days!

Glad to learn it's not my computer.



This web site has been loading extremely slow for me over the past month or so and the slowness seemed to worsen.....not only for this site, but a few other sites as well. I had recently downloaded the latest version of Mozilla Firefox so I said to myself "Self....you need to uninstall that program". I did and it didn't (matter that is.....it was still slow). I then decided I needed to eliminate some owner-operated processes from the task manager.....that didn't work either. Finally, I decided that a system restore going back to mid-January would fix the trick. Naturally, that wasn't the fix either....

Yesterday I had the guys from Comcast cable come to my house and replace my modem......BINGO!.....now everthing loads like it should! In reference my quote posted above, I stand corrected. :) :o

Renting a modem is MUCH more expensive than buying one.

Do you still have and use your telescope? I recently told someone about the night you brought it to an early Sneeky Pete and a bunch of us had a ball for hours. That was one of the only times I have seen a satellite pass. That was also one of those special things that used to happen at tournaments completely unrelated to competition.
Best wishes

Yep.....I still have my telescope. I haven't used it in a couple of years, however. I've thought about bringing it with me to Paw Paw for the West Virginia Open because the skies are super-dark out there in the middle of those Appalachian mountains. The Milky Way looks like you can reach out and touch it! We're usually packed to the gills for our 5-day camping excursion during the WVO, but I just might make room for the 8" this time around! :)

btw....yes, I know I could buy a modem for less than the $3/month Comcast charges me, however, I have replaced the modem 3 times during the past 5 years, so that's no too bad, eh?

Hey Jerry, use your telescope to check this (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/04feb_greencomet.htm) out! :cool:

I'd like to see your 8". I thought mine was large at 5". :DOne of the best times i've had at a pdga event was at the 2002 National Doubles held at John Houck's dreamland, Circle R Ranch. We set up the scope and viewed the Moon, The Pleiades, Orion Nebula, Jupiter, and Saturn and it's rings. The BEST PART about it was watching Houck balance on a 5 gallon bucket to look through the eyepiece that any normal sized golfer could stand and view. :D

You gotta check Jerry's out. Really fine collection of lenses. And that was probably 15 years ago.
I don't play PDGA tournaments much anymore but could be tempted to come to Paw Paw just for the celestial viewing.

Stuff like this is the best part of the message board.

Now lets get back to complaining about it.....

Oh, we've DISCussed them. We have similar pieces of equipment; his is just bigger. :D

There was a chill in the air that night, no one else was willing to bring theirs out to compare, if they even had one. :o

gotcha
Check your email please

someone had a fairly nice telescope out at paw paw maybe 10 years ago- it was all good until the drunk guy on the bicycle rode over it in the dark.

someone had a fairly nice telescope out at paw paw maybe 10 years ago- it was all good until the drunk guy on the bicycle rode over it in the dark.



yeah, but really, whose fault was that? the guy on the bike, or the guy who left it out in the dark to be abused by alcohol? :D:D




disclaimer: it wasnt me.

I hear they're dropping the "its in the air" slogan for something new:

"PDGA.com - slower than a herd of turtles stampeding through peanut butter."

The traffic still seems to be there, just less posting. If you look at the Who's Online, the non-members are usually two to three times the member counts.

perhaps Members have learned :)

I'd bet money it has more to do with the forced logouts every couple weeks. If someone chooses the "remember me" box during login then honor it!!

that would require a full committment to a superior user experience.

Or maybe the user should have their browser save the password so it only takes 2 clicks to log in again.
Then again, 2 clicks every couple weeks .... now I understand the outrage.

Glad we are complaining again, so fruitful.

who in the world thought it a good idea to expire the forum login cookie after one or two weeks? This is the only forum I visit which does this. Lack of confidence?? This is another of the reasons many people probably don't bother - they keep getting forced logouts every 10-14 days!




I'd bet money it has more to do with the forced logouts every couple weeks. If someone chooses the "remember me" box during login then honor it!!



Now we're complaining about having to enter a password? I guess we've truly hit rock bottom. Wow, entering that password every 10-14 days is soooo unbearable. Oh, the horror!

http://www.my-hiend.idv.tw/faceicon/icon_rolleyes.gif

Seems like standard practice on the Forums I'm on. I think the two weeks log out is the default setting. It's even stated as such in the Yahoo logging area for groups with the option to make it more often so anyone borrowing your computer won't automatically get into the groups you use.

Chuck, yahoo and google force logouts since your yahoo/gmail account can be tied to SO much more than discussion, e.g. financial info and sensitive docs.

Speaking as a sysadmin: forced logout on discussion forums doesn't promote hanging around, especially when many users have to remember their complex PDGA password.

We may have indeed hit rock bottom when there's no trust towards users to log out on their own.

You should change your complex pdga password to a simple password that's easy for you to remember.

Now we're complaining about having to enter a password? I guess we've truly hit rock bottom.



I bet if we dig some more we can find another layer.... :)

forced logout on discussion forums doesn't promote hanging around, especially when many users have to remember their complex PDGA password.



While I still think the assumption is outlandish, if there are truly people out there don't want to participate in discussion on this message board because they are so lazy and because it's so unbearable to have to enter a password every 10-14 days, then I say hopefully the door doesn't hit them on the way out. :D

Chuck, yahoo and google force logouts since your yahoo/gmail account can be tied to SO much more than discussion, e.g. financial info and sensitive docs.

Speaking as a sysadmin: forced logout on discussion forums doesn't promote hanging around, especially when many users have to remember their complex PDGA password.

We may have indeed hit rock bottom when there's no trust towards users to log out on their own.



Ever tried using an algorithm for your passwords? It makes them complex and easy to remember.

Start with "disc" or something related to the password you want to remember.

Add numbers that go up/down by whatever value in between each letter.

Capitalize every other letter, or every third letter, or whatever you can remember.

E.G.

D4i8S12c16

Now we're complaining about having to enter a password? I guess we've truly hit rock bottom.



I bet if we dig some more we can find another layer.... :)



JG's comment reminded me of the day Brian Mace said, "I thought i had seen the depth of stupidity, but here we go a little deeper." :D

I remember something to the effect...

Genius has its' limits, stupidity does not.

Why aren't the most recent topics being DISCussed showing up on the front page of the forum? Did i accidentally change one of my settings, or is this just the message board par for the course? :D

You should change your complex pdga password to a simple password that's easy for you to remember.


I most certainly did on day one, cant imagine most do though ;)

http://imjustaguy.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/iq_bell_curve.gif

forced logout on discussion forums doesn't promote hanging around, especially when many users have to remember their complex PDGA password.



While I still think the assumption is outlandish, if there are truly people out there don't want to participate in discussion on this message board because they are so lazy and because it's so unbearable to have to enter a password every 10-14 days, then I say hopefully the door doesn't hit them on the way out. :D


promotion isn't your forte, we get it.