High Desert Distance Challenge (http://www.scientificdiscgolf.com/HDDC.html)

April 3-5 2009

A 3 day World Flying Disc Federation format distance event
Brought to you by Scientific Disc Golf (http://www.scientificdiscgolf.com/index.html)

Location: The Ivanpah dry lake bed in the high desert of Primm, Nevada on the border of California and Nevada, 44 miles from Las Vegas. Elevation: 2618 feet.

The elevation and weather combine to make this one of the premier sites in the world for flying disc distance throwing. The World Flying Disc Federation currently lists 3 World records set at this site. This means you have an excellent chance (actually up to 45 excellent chances) of throwing your longest throw ever � maybe even a World Record (http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=records/index.htm#distance) !

This area is home to Primm Resorts (http://www.primmvalleyresorts.com/) and Casinos with entertainment and theme park attractions such as the Desperado � one of the top 10 roller coasters in North America.

I will most likely be there.

If anyone going needs a place to stay my place in vegas has plenty of room, and is only a 45min drive to Primm.

Thanks Luke! Looking forward to meeting.

Sponsored by Scientific Disc Golf (http://scientificdiscgolf.com) $100 to anyone who breaks a WFDF outdoor distance record or upside down distance record at the event. AN EXTRA $100 if they do it using Scientific Disc Golf Rip Grip.

Come and get your money!

Marc Jarvis
Jeff Stoops
David Madruga
David Wiggins Jr.

Likely

Suzette Simmons
Jack Cooksey
Luke Butch


I will post updates here and on an email list of those who have contacted me.

Dave

Consider adding competition for Super Class category discs. Several Overall tournaments besides Minnesota may consider switching from regular discs to Super Class for the distance and golf events this year and new records will be set in age categories. Current World Record for a disc that meets Super Class specs appears to be 1976 Dave Johnson USA - 125.57m - Wham-O 119g. Stork is checking to see if there are other old records for Women or other age brackets.

Thanks Chuck,

Anyone wishing to throw for a superclass record is more than welcome to do so. We''ll measure them all.

Dave

I misinterpreted the "upside down throw" thinking it was a thumber or tomohawk but it is not. The upside down throw is a strange throw where the disc is released upside down and stays that way the whole flight. I don't consider that to be too significant, so the 100 premium for a record in the upside down throw is withdrawn.

The outdoor distance record premium of $100 still stands, and I will contact Dan Roddick to see if we might establish an overhand throw record, ie. tomohawk or thumber. Further updates here on this issue.

what about the side arm record?

David,

Good question. I talked to Dan Roddick about both overhand and sidearm records and it appears that the WFDF does not have the resources to keep track of these. The WFDF has no immediate plans for doing this.

I have decided to start a section on the Scientific Disc Golf Website that will keep track of these two records as a part of a project to collect Disc Golf records in general. I will record the longest sidearm at the event as well as the longest overhand throw for the various divisions and list them as (for now) the unofficial records for these throws pending good documentation of any longer throws in these styles.

Dave

Innova has just added $10,000 to the event!

The following two conditions must be met for a player to be awarded the Innova High Desert Distance Challenge bonus of $10,000:


1) Player must have the longest official throw of the 2009 High Desert Distance Challenge competition (Friday, Saturday, Sunday included).

2. That same throw must be deemed under WFDF rules to be an official new Open world distance record (currently at 250 meters). The player must fulfill the above conditions using a PDGA approved Innova disc.

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Any other organizations desiring to sponsor the event or premiums for the event please contact [email protected]

i think there is a world disctance record for the tomahawk owned by a guy name Jaime out of Texas.

here it is on the WFDF site

"Upside Down Distance:
Open: 125.45 m Jayme Wilson (USA) 10/16/93 Austin, TX "

please read prior post on this thread on that topic. The WFDF upside down throw is literally upside down the entire flight. It is not a thumber or tomohawk.

Best we can tell from Stork's records this is the history of Open Distance records since 1970. The Super Class and Vintage Class records are the best we can confirm unless we can determine that the weights of discs used for the 1982 or 1983 records were less than 151 grams. If that were true then either of those would be the Vintage record instead of Dave D's.

1970 Victor Malafronte USA - 84.10m - Wham-O Professional Model
1970 Bob May USA - 85.04m Wham-O - Professional Model
1974 Kirkland, John USA - 83.23m - Wham-O Professional Model
1974 Dave Johnson USA - 88.67m - Wham-O Professional Model
1974 Victor Malafronte USA - 114.30m - CPI All Star
1975 Dave Johnson USA - 115.20m - CPI All Star
Current Super Class record: 1976 Dave Johnson USA - 125.57m - Wham-O 119g
1978 John Kirkland USA - 135.30m - Wham-O/DGA Night Flyer 40
Current Vintage Class record: 1980 Dave Dunipace USA - 139.63m - Wham-O/DGA Midnight Flyer 41, 141g
1980 Van Miller USA - 142.90m - Brand X (41X), 172g
1982 P�l Brostr�m SWE - 152.45m - Wham-O/DGA Midnight Flyer 70c
1983 Marten Sandorf DEN - 166.42m - Wham-O/Farusa Midnight Sun 70c
1984 Frank Aquilera USA - 167.88m - Innova-Champion Aero
1987 Michael Canci AUS - 186.83m - Lightning P38
1988 Sam Ferrans USA - 190.07m - Innova Phenix, 176g
1993 Peter Albers USA - 193.58m - Innova Viper
1993 Niclas Bergehamm SWE - 197.38m - Innova Viper, 179g
1995 Scott Stokley USA - 200.01m - Discraft X-clone, 169g
1998 Scott Stokley USA - 211.32m - Discraft XL, 169g
2001 Chris Voigt GER - 217.05m - Discraft XS, 170g
2002 Ken Jarvis USA - 247.00m - Innova DX Teebird
Current Hi-Tech Class record: 2002 Christian Sandstr�m SWE - 250.00m - Innova DX Valkyrie, 168g

please read prior post on this thread on that topic. The WFDF upside down throw is literally upside down the entire flight. It is not a thumber or tomohawk.




I dont think so as that guys only throws thumbers. you may want to double check your source.

WFDF "upside down" throw rule (http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=records/record_rules.htm)

"For upside-down distance attempts, the disc must be released with the top surface or crown of the disc facing the ground. It must also travel the entire flight in that manner, including landing upside-down."

wow . next time I see him I will ask him about it. tell lil wig good luck.

Thanks for the encouragement. I'll pass it on to David Jr. Regarding the other, sometimes it is best to let sleeping dogs lie so to speak. ;)

Thanks Chuck!

We might as well show people where they can see the other non-Open records where Lil Wig shows up on the list four times:

www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=records/index.htm (http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=records/index.htm)

Looks like I'll be flying in Thursday night and leaving Vegas 2:30 PM on Sunday. That means Friday is wide open and we'll have to wrap things up by 11 AM or so on Sunday. Should be plenty of time for some big throws

Hi everyone,

Those of you who have expressed interest but have not yet entered please let me know ASAP if you plan on attending or not. I am making trophies 1st thu 3rd for each division so I suspect everyone will likely get a trophy. I am also having nice Dri-fit shirts embroidered for everyone. Please let me know your shirt size

There have been some questions regarding special Bosses from Innova. The number of entries has not justified a run of discs and since I do not work for Innova, I cannot do a midnight run etc. Having said that, Marc Molnar has been EXTREMELY helpful in assisting me with permits,equipment, advice, etc

We will meet Friday afternoon. I will be available all day (My plane arrives Thursday night) Since there are not too many entries I can probably accommodate everyone's schedule.

I'm thinking of having group meeting at Whiskey Pete's at 3PM on Friday in front of the front entrance where we met last year. Anyone who wants to throw before this for their qualifying round can contact me by email or cell phone 336 259-0382. Anyone arriving late can likely meet us on the lake bed or call me on the cell phone.

We can meet at 10 AM on Saturday at the same place. If everyone is there on Friday we might just change the meeting place to the lake bed for Sat AM

Sunday my plane leaves from Vegas at 2:30 PM. That gives us to 11AM or so to complete things. Considering the small number involved that should be plenty of time if we start at 9AM or so.


Tentative Schedule:

Friday 3 PM - Meet in front of Whiskey Pete's
Sat 10 AM - Meet in front of Whiskey Pete's (possibly the lake bed)
Sunday 9 AM - Meet on lake bed

Awards: Trophies for top 3 in each division,
Dri-fit commemorative shirt for everyone PLEASE TELL ME YOUR SHIRT SIZE ASAP
Innova $10,000 premium previously announced
Sponsored by Scientific Disc Golf $100 to anyone who breaks a WFDF outdoor distance record at the event. AN EXTRA $100 if they do it using Scientific Disc Golf Rip Grip.




Entries thus far include:



Marc Jarvis
Jeff Stoops
David Madruga
David Wiggins Jr.

Likely

Suzette Simmons
Jack Cooksey
Luke Butch


I will post updates here and on an email list of those who have contacted me.

Dave

Can you give an update on the entries so far? Do you still have spots open? I live in Vegas and might be able to talk some people that were there last year in to coming.

PLenty of room 9 or 10 folks participating at this time

We will meet Friday afternoon. I will be available all day (My plane arrives Thursday night) Since there are not too many entries I can probably accommodate everyone's schedule.

We'll have a group meeting at Whiskey Pete's at 3PM on Friday in front of the front entrance where we met last year for anyone wishing to throw friday. Anyone who wants to throw before this for their qualifying round can contact me by email or cell phone 336 259-0382. Anyone arriving late can likely meet us on the lake bed or call me on the cell phone.

We will meet at 10 AM on Saturday at the same place. If everyone is there on Friday we might just change the meeting place to the lake bed for Sat AM

Sunday my plane leaves from Vegas at 2:30 PM. That gives us to 11AM or so to complete things. Considering the small number involved that should be plenty of time if we start at 9AM or so.

Schedule:

Friday 3 PM - Meet in front of Whiskey Pete's (not mandatory if you can't be there till Sat.)
Sat 10 AM - Meet in front of Whiskey Pete's (possibly the lake bed)
Sunday 9 AM - Meet on lake bed

Awards: Trophies for top 3 in each division,
Dri-fit commemorative shirt for everyone PLEASE TELL ME YOUR SHIRT SIZE ASAP


Entries thus far include:



Marc Jarvis
Jeff Stoops
David Madruga
David Wiggins Jr.
Suzette Simmons

Possible

Marc Molnar
Don Blake pdga #22
Buster Brown
Marc Lumos

weather channel calls for Fri winds at 16 mph high 70's, sat 12 mph high 70's, sun 11 mph high 70's

Good luck guys!

David. Wish Andrew and could have tagged a long. I fill like I am letting Scientific Disc Golf down. I'm shooting a couple of games this week. Working on Advertising For Davis Studios.

Please tell David Jr. best of luck. hope to see you guys soon.

You know, you guys could benefit scientific disc golf with the acquisition of Team UNC-G!! :D

Wyatt thanks for the support. You know I'd love to have you there but completely understand. You'll be there in spirit anyways.

Don Blake and Buster Brown are a go so that's 2 more confirmed.

Those who still are interested in participating can contact me, but there will not be an embroidered shirt for your entry.

Dave

Thanks Trey!! You know I bet I could! - I might lose only half as much money on it ;)

Thanks David. have a safe trip. lets set so records. Keep us up dated as much as you can.

Conditions were excellent for long throws. All throws were measured by 2 separate laser range finders a Nikkon and a Bushnell. David's throw was measured by Mark Jarvis and Jeff Stoops, others were measured by me.

Mark Jarvis - longest throw of the day 238 meters (781 feet) [world record is 250 meters or 820 feet] *used Rip Grip by Scientific Disc Golf wind 26 mph

David Wiggins Jr. - 224 meters (735 feet) - new 13 y/o and junior world record for any age under open. wind 17 mph

Jeff Stoops - 180 meters (591 feet) new mens 55 and over AND mens 45 and over world record. Winner of Scientific Disc Golf $100 world record premium. wind 24 mph

David Madruga 206 meters (676 feet) wind 22 mph

Suzette Simmons 97 meters (318 feet) wind 29 mph

You forgot to mention... David also set a new 14 and under record (according to WFDF site).

Thanks Chris - for now its still windy on day 2 but forecast is for lower winds

Suzette, get out that Zephyr and get the new Women over 45 Super Class record.

Great Job David Jr and David Sr. Can't wait to see you guys.

Wind conditions were not nearly as good.

Don Blake PDGA #22 threw his age at 73 meters with 3 mph wind

Buster Brown threw 62 meters 5 mph wind

Mark Jarvis - long throw of the day with 174 meters 3 mph wind

David Wiggins Jr 171 meters with 4.5 mph wind

David Madruga 160 meters with 9 mph wind

Conditions for day 3 cool, not much wind as of now

Jeff Stoops 147 with 7 mph winds

Suzette Simmons 89 meters with 6 mph winds

Jeff Stoops 180 meter throw which set both the mens 45 and 55 world records was thrown with a 171 gram pro Wraith.

David Jr's 224 meter throw for the junior record was with a 155 gm R-Pro Boss

Mark Jarvis' longest throw this far and 3rd longest throw ever recorded was with a 165 gm Star Boss

155 gm pro Boss! Sick!

Last year we had a local kid break the record for 4 and under for distance. TD filled out paperwork for it and submitted it to both PDGA and WFDF. But we've had trouble getting any word from the guy in charge of it, and the kid is almost ready to do it again for 5 year old. Any suggestions?

155 gm pro Boss! Sick!



Actually it was an R-Pro Boss. You can get some of these with a US Masters stamp at discgolfvalues.com

The rubber in it helps get you some air 'bounce' for more distance...

Good Job Lil Wigs, throws it so far, disc aged while in flight. The Kid is a champ both on and off the course. Can play most courses with a n avair. Look out USDG, Lil Big Wig isa comming. This year he turns 14. I can still out drive him, (in my truck, cause I have a drivers license). Good Job buddy
:cool:

Is that what the R stands for? That clears that up :-)

Yep, stands for Rocky's BOSS, LOL

http://www.scientificdiscgolf.com/HDDC.html

I'm kinda curious as to how you measured wind speeds for each round and for each day. Do you have some sort of wind speed guage? It's always difficult for us to calculate wind speeds when Nick is setting his records. It's always important to have accurate readings on things like these. Congrats to young David, in this and all his accomplishments....Manny

I'm kinda curious as to how you measured wind speeds for each round and for each day. Do you have some sort of wind speed guage? It's always difficult for us to calculate wind speeds when Nick is setting his records. It's always important to have accurate readings on things like these. Congrats to young David, in this and all his accomplishments....Manny
Manny,

We used a windtronic 2 omnidirectional wind speed meter. Wind speed was measured at time of release. Dee Dee Simmons did most of the measuring though others pitched in to help. I recorded the speeds as they called them out.

735 ft, Your going to be able throw far when you grow up. Great Job Is there video?

Yep - got one. Have not made it onto the computer yet though.