Who likes the idea of making black hawk a better World Championship Course!! Adding extra baskets/tee-pads to make 8-10 different harder holes to make a Gold course, Par 65-68. :D

Examples:

Put the basket on hole 2 back around the corner of wood and tuck it in about 35-40 Par 4. Hole 12 go further towards the right slighty another 130ft in the woods par 5. Hole 13 Make a further teepad 65 behind current. 15 put a longer teepad and a longer basket that will be more right another 130ft par 5. Just a few to think of that I personally like and this course could be just as good as Hornet's Nest and Reinassance Gold!!!

Cool thing is if you don't want to play it you can still play the regular course!!

oh yeah, i love the idea... sounds like something that would be a blast to play since there arent any true par 4 and 5 courses in tulsa

your talking about adding lock collars not baskets aren't you? (collars are a fraction of the cost compared to the price of baskets)then you can move baskets at will to mix it up now and again, then for tournaments you'll have that gold course your looking for. great idea the sport needs more par 60+ courses to get us out of putting contests

It would be even cooler if some of you young guys would go out there and do the work to create it. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

now twoputt if the young guys do that kind of labor their discgolf careers may just come to a screeching hault.
we wouldnt want the young guys to sweat or possibly get a blister would we?

your talking about adding lock collars not baskets aren't you? (collars are a fraction of the cost compared to the price of baskets)then you can move baskets at will to mix it up now and again, then for tournaments you'll have that gold course your looking for. great idea the sport needs more par 60+ courses to get us out of putting contests



No I'm talking about adding Baskets!! Don't want to just have a pin that you play for tournaments,. Hornets nest and Reinassance Gold have these extra pins were talking about, and for this reason they are some of the best courses that I have ever played.

Truth be known, most all of Black was supposed to have multiple placements, we just ran out of time before Worlds and were going to finish it the next year or two, then the wind storm, then the ice storm. :(

Hole 1 could put a pin deeper out in the opening to the right of the current basket.
Hole 2, was to have a second placement around the corner as you mentioned.
Hole 4 can go deeper in the woods.
Hole 5 tee pad can be moved back and you could put another placement up where the old road connected to hole 6.
Hole 9 tee pad could be moved back.
Hole 12 another pin that could be moved back from where it is now, there is a road going back in there, lots of room.
Hole 13 this was supposed to be a dual fairway, one for leftys and one for righties, the tee pad was supposed to be back about 40ft from where it is now.
14 this hole has many options but due to water issues the new pin would have to be right of the current location
hole 15. tee pad can move back and a new pin can go deeper.
hole 16 needs a shorter placement, probably left of the fairway somewhere.
hole 17 a pin could be moved further down the right side of the creek
hole 18 this could have a pin all the way to the opening behind the country store to the right.

Coda, that would be about 10 baskets added to the current layout. You got an extra $3,500?

Don't get me wrong, its a great idea, but it is an idea that will take a lot of work to clear some areas. Not that its a problem but it is a HUGE problem if you're waiting on the usual crew to get it done. We are tired and we haven't even finished cleaning up from the ice storm. Hell, there is at least 500 or more truck loads that need to be cleared from the current course.

Its time for some of you young ones to STEP up and make these ideas happen. Is it work? Hell yes it is, its [censored] hard work!

Feel free to head up a crew and git-r-done! Between, you Devan, Crowel, Thompson, Dorries, Hunt and some of the other young guys, it should be NO problem, Once its cleared and ready, I'm sure the club can find a way to get the equipment purchased.

BUT, before you do any work out there it must be cleared with Wagel, as he is the course TD. ;)

take a check!!

If you're serious about the upgrading, then get together with some of the others and get it figured out. Just pick one hole to work on until it is ready, then on to the next one. Some of them need nothing more than a new tee area, some only need a basket, the others need WORK. It can be done and you are the perfect person to spearhead it. The others will listen to you. Take advantage of it. ;)

take a check!!



Come on Coda :( take your vision and make it happen :)
Did ya read TP post /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif If ya talk to CDub, and get him to believe, any thing can happen. It will take your sweat, and the youngs ones sweat, to make it happen :cool:AND if you do make it happen, WAY :cool: My guess is Mr. Wagel will supervise and TP will not have to even participate. TP will love it.

Peace to all of you, Coda, CDub, and TP.

Hole 1 could put a pin deeper out in the opening to the right of the current basket. BECAUSE THAT IS WERE MY SHOT NORMALLY GOES IF I MAKE THROUGH THE WOODS
Hole 2, was to have a second placement around the corner as you mentioned. NEVER HAVE PUT A MARK FOR THAT POSITION - ITS HARD FOR A LEFTY TO GET TO THAT SIDE.
Hole 4 can go deeper in the woods. AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN - I HARDLY DO.
Hole 5 tee pad can be moved back and you could put another placement up where the old road connected to hole 6. JUST PUT THE TEE PAD WHERE YOU WANT IT STILL WON'T IMPROVE MY SCORE!!
Hole 9 tee pad could be moved back. AND THE BASKET COULD BE MOVED INTO THE WOODS...I HAVE A HARD TIME MAKING THE CLEARING...
Hole 12 another pin that could be moved back from where it is now, there is a road going back in there, lots of room. HARD ENOUGH TO PAR AS IT IS...WHY NOT JUST ADD ANOTHER STROKE TO MY GAME?
Hole 13 this was supposed to be a dual fairway, one for leftys and one for righties, the tee pad was supposed to be back about 40ft from where it is now. WE ALL KNOW THAT THIS HOLE IS CRUEL...LEFTY / RIGHTY...JUST A CRUEL HOLE
14 this hole has many options but due to water issues the new pin would have to be right of the current location GOOD THING TOO...I'VE SEEN A LOT OF SHOTS TO THE RIGHT...
hole 15. tee pad can move back and a new pin can go deeper. THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT MAKE THIS SHOT LOOK EASY...JUST TAKE THEM RIGHT OUT OF THE GAME!
hole 16 needs a shorter placement, probably left of the fairway somewhere. WHAT EVER...WHY NOT JUST CUT THAT TREE DOWN THAT EVERY ONE HITS RIGHT OFF THE TEE PAD...RIGHT WISE?
hole 17 a pin could be moved further down the right side of the creek NOT EVEN THE DONKEY CAN GET THERE....OR COULD HE???
hole 18 this could have a pin all the way to the opening behind the country store to the right. WHAT A WAY TO END A GAME...MAKE THEM LEAVE WITH THERE TAIL BETWEEN THEIR LEGS...65-68...TRY TO STAY UNDER 80 WOULD BE A FEAT....

locking collars $36.00 each, Baskets $350.00 each ???? don't make your dream unattainable, I would like to see it come ture. call me when your ready I'll come help

Funny Dan, I don't recall any of this being about your game or your scores. Its about making the course a higher caliber course. The other baskets would still be there but the new baskets would definately raise the par to where it should be, around a 64-68. The course was supposed to be a par 61-62, I think but that has gone WAY down due to the damage out there and the way it has changed the course. I'd say it plays around a 56-58 now. Some of the current holes that were the toughest, now are just a long par. Take hole #14 for instance. When the canopy was there and the big tree on the right, there was NO way someone like Coda could put it 20ft from the bucket. But as it is now, I think that hole alone has lowered the score out there by at least 1.

My biggest concern before changing the holes is getting the sides of the fairways cleaned up the way they need to be. Its just plain FUGLY! A player should not have to crawl dangerously over downed trees and limbs to retrieve a shot that is only 3-6 ft from the fairway.

I'm all for making some of the holes tougher but I'm more for getting the course cleaned up to post-worlds shape. ;)

We need bobcats with the graplers on them and trucks to haul it out. I was just talking to Zooc about it over the weekend. I was upset that when FEMA came in and inventoried the course, the City received monies from every tree that had an orange dot on it. How many of those have you seen out there? The amount was based on the circumference of the tree. And what really ticks me off, is that they couldn't have even inventoried those or got in there without all of the hard work we put in getting that course immediately cleaned up after the storm. I'm not sure how much money they got from OUR courses (Red Hawk Included) but there has been very little spent in there. The money has gone to clean up the parks that are visible to the public. Any work that was done in there, was secured by Zooc and some of it was off the books, if you know what I mean?
We did have an Asplund crew in there for about two weeks off and on but I know that crew only costs about 2k per week and they [censored] sure don't work too hard at it. They would show up around 8, get in there and work around 9, then go to lunch around noon, back to work at 1, then out of there by 3.

At this point I would be very happy just to get all of the big stuff cleared out next to the fairways, we can do the clean up and touch up afterwards.

To ZOOC: please don't take this the wrong way, we wouldn't be where we are out there with out you!
Folks, if it were not for this one city employee we wouldn't have what we do have out there.

I just hate the fact that the City gave us very little help out there in the begining and up to current, yes they bought the equipment and concrete but that was it. We donated thousands of hours of labor, blood sweat and tears (tears came after after the ice storm). Then they found a way to garner Federal monies from our hard work and spend it else where. :mad:
Its been over a year now since the BIG storm. All of the city parks in public view are pretty much cleaned up. New trees are being planted all over town. But Black Hawk has been forgotten. If it were not for Big Jim and Randy Wilson with their heavy equipment it would still look like it did after the storm and the city wouldn't have gotten a dime.

To the City of Tulsa: Please accept out thank yous for allowing our club to donate our equipment,thousands of dollars and thousands of man hours to your park. And thank you for giving us the opportunity to create a windfall of money for your other projects by clearing a way for FEMA to get in there. :oYou are such a pleasure to work with, you let us just keep giving and giving and giving. :(

Cleaning up A course...what about our other courses that our still not completely playable? Why can't we get all of our courses playable before we enhance one of them

Which courses are you talking about?

If you're asking about Haikey, then that is a completly different animal. Haikey is a County park, not City. Haikey is also different in that it has a park manager that is anal rententive about his park. If you don't beleive me, just pull into a handicap parking spot without a permit and see how long it takes him to show up. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Or let him see you drop a piece of trash on the ground.

He is a great guy but that park is his baby and it will be done on his schedule on his time, when he decides to do it.

As for the holes that went through the woods, 15-18, they are gone forever. They will no longer maintian that area.

If the back 4 holes are not going to be kept up than pull the baskets and move them to black if someone has not stolen them yet.

I think there has been two baskets stolen out there and, the baskets can not go to Mohawk.

1st - those are county baskets, not city baskets. 2nd - they are DGA baskets and not Innova.

I didn't say the course would not be redesigned, just that those holes won't be there any more. It will be an 18 hole course again, just not sure when or even if it will be this year. They still have about 25% of the park closed.

First of all Wise, I would like to officially challenge you in Wii Tennis.

Second, I seem to remember talk of more difficult pin locations but as a locking collar idea.

While two baskets on some holes would seem just slightly unusual to some, it could be confusing to casual players, who bravely attempt "the toughest course in town"....which as of my round at Copperhead Canyon yesterday, I would have to disagree with, but I digress...

...adding or changing anything would also mean making new tee signs for all holes involved.

And the costs do seem slightly disproportionate to the results.

But do I think it is a good idea?

In the words of Barry Schultz...ABSOLUTELY!


It is a project that has some thorns and also something of a time table involved already, as you want to tackle as much cutting/clearing while it is still winter-ish....

The money can be handled by mulligans and other allocations of other funds perhaps. And besides, and actual order would be at a distant date. So we have time on our side in that way....

Hmmm...

Lots to ponder. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Tulsa doesn't even use the collars that it has, why make more?? Out of all my time here I have seen 1 hole moved, hole# 12 McClure. Not trying to have this done immediately, just trying to get other peoples ideas. If you were to play some of the best courses in the world you would understand what I'm talking about!!

I realize none of the baskets at McClure ever get moved but that does not make it a bad idea.

If I had alternate locations at Dovillio I would switch it up once a month or so.

Having two baskets on one hole is wasteful in my mind.


Though people would get more black aces....

allocations of other funds perhaps.




I've got an idea. How about some of you big arms that want this thing pony up that money instead of siphoning off consistant funds generated at shorter courses? :)

If you were to play some of the best courses in the world you would understand what I'm talking about!!



Sounds good but I would have to quit my day job, mooch off the Government, and become dependant on Obama's national health care plan just so I could travel the world in search of those courses. :(

What about putting in 18 killer holes at the Turkey mountain urban wilderness area. I would venture to say that you could design 18 holes there that would make every one cry.
I would not play it but there might be 15 or 20 who would and they could spend many hours out there banging trees and climbing on the cliffs. :D

Tulsa doesn't even use the collars that it has, why make more?? Out of all my time here I have seen 1 hole moved, hole# 12 McClure. Not trying to have this done immediately, just trying to get other peoples ideas. If you were to play some of the best courses in the world you would understand what I'm talking about!!



Mclure collars have been damaged over time by the mowers. It is still planned to have them replaced. Locking collars is the most economic solution. That was the orginal plan for Mohawk, just not enough time. Tht is the way Owwaso will be set up, with at least two positions per hole.

I understand your thoughts Coda but we have yet to complety finish one chmpionship course here in town. We should have finished the hawks after the worlds but frankly we were all whipped after that endevor and took some time off.

To fix Mohawk most all of the baskets will need to be pulled and anchors put in, we will have to get all new poles, since the current setup is permanent. All of this is a GREAT idea but before any of it can happen there will have to be a lot more work and cleanup done out there.

As you can see below, there are several courses that need work. Take your pick.

Mohawk - black needs cleaned and additional pin placements
Haikey - needs re-designed
Chandler - needs re-designed and new holes installed.
Owasso - still needs final design and installation.
McClure - needs all collars replaced and installed.
Dovillio - hole 15 needs the tee pad shored up or we are going to lose it!
Hunter - Jerry Stacy has a list of things for this course.

and I restate as a long time ago.... I have a few of these collars, when I ran mcclure, I changed them a lot, or I heard iot from everyone, so make your voice loud, and if it is done right ,,,, fror the city courses I may be able to help with welder making more sleeves...i still have a key to move at mcclure, Coda, it would be like tipping cows at midnight, chaging holes, just watch out for furdog, he pees on them.. :D

I realize none of the baskets at McClure ever get moved but that does not make it a bad idea.

If I had alternate locations at Dovillio I would switch it up once a month or so.

Having two baskets on one hole is wasteful in my mind.


Though people would get more black aces....



How is adding 8 baskets to make a third course on black wasteful? Your not having to put in a whole course, and people that don't want to play them don't have to!!

Lets just keep putting up courses like chandler and riverside so we can get real good at throwing 250ft shots!!!

you still need to come up with a better solution for making collars last, not to put new ones in to get ruined like the others.

That's what a club is for!! :confused: Or is this not why we pay memberships and support the club by playing minis, tournaments, etc. Maybe more could get done by proposing the idea to the Parks Depepartment! ;)

When you play TDSA mini's are you supporting the club or is the club supporting you by gathering the bait fish in one place for you to feast on. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I can think of very few people that have come up to me at a mini to renew or become a new member of the club. Most all of the membership dues that I have collected have come out of the ace pots that non current people win. I believe that includes you too. :D

I not saying your idea is bad but is 8 extra baskets at approx $350 ea. really worth it vs new collars instead?

Mohawk is a high maintenance course already and Dave is right. There are other courses and priorities the club should take care of before investing $2800 or more for bragging rights. ;)

If you have any questions the just go to feedthepig.com :cool:

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When you play TDSA mini's are you supporting the club or is the club supporting you by gathering the bait fish in one place for you to feast on. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I can think of very few people that have come up to me at a mini to renew or become a new member of the club. Most all of the membership dues that I have collected have come out of the ace pots that non current people win. I believe that includes you too. :D

I not saying your idea is bad but is 8 extra baskets at approx $350 ea. really worth it vs new collars instead?

Mohawk is a high maintenance course already and Dave is right. There are other courses and priorities the club should take care of before investing $2800 or more for bragging rights. ;)

If you have any questions the just go to feedthepig.com :cool:



For one, minis really aren't that great /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif!!! I can get my own bait to feast on and make more money ;)!!

Of course not too many people are going to renew thru you!!! They see how writing down names and taking entries is already too COMPLEX for you :o

And I still don't think you get the idea, I'm not wanting to have this done at Black immediately, in the future when there is nothing on the list of "things to do". And yes new collars would be great!!! Just think that this is something we need, placement golf is real golf. We need some true par 5's.

I realize none of the baskets at McClure ever get moved but that does not make it a bad idea.

If I had alternate locations at Dovillio I would switch it up once a month or so.

Having two baskets on one hole is wasteful in my mind.


Though people would get more black aces....



How is adding 8 baskets to make a third course on black wasteful? Your not having to put in a whole course, and people that don't want to play them don't have to!!

Lets just keep putting up courses like chandler and riverside so we can get real good at throwing 250ft shots!!!



Ummm...

Who mentioned making more short courses? I didn't.

And having TWO baskets on ONE hole, is, in my mind, wasteful.

I agreed that you had a good idea here, but your attitude seems to be off the mark.

I am not saying we need to not put more holes in at Black and make and extend Reed or something....I am saying that locking collars are the way to go to make this idea a reality.


But to be honest I will not be thinking about this idea very much as the NT is looming overhead.

Maybe you should go try and work on all those 250' shots at the lodge so you don't trip up on a home course..... :o:D :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Screw that. As a TDSA admin I make a motion that if we ever do run out of things to do, we spend that $2800 on a volunteer party for all the people that have shown up to work, spot, donate money, help do score cards, run a Spring Fling, or anything else that contributes to the growth and enjoyment of the sport.

If not that then I say any extra money that we don't know what to do with gets split up amoungst us admins so Andrew can pay off his college loans. :D

What money?

Furdog, sit down.....sit!!

Sorry. I just figured a volunteer party would be a better club investment vs the club currently subsidizing pimple cream, guitar lessons, and "How to Meet Girls" books for you. ;)

I think the club needs to work on Haikey (for the people in south Tulsa). I understand that the park is a county thing and darrell is a jacka$$. I real big jacka$$. There are plenty of people that play the south Tulsa courses and you also have to think about schools like Jenks and Union that have after school clubs. How about we just take the baskets and move the across the street for the time being to make it a full 18. I know hole 13 is missing, but that still is a great park. Long andchallenging. That park should definfitley be a 8000 foot course. Too bad it holds water so well. Might as well put a freaking water park out there....

Hiakey is not like most of the parks we hace access to. Everything has to be run through Wayne and then Darrell first. As for the land on the east side of the road, that always has been in the past a firm NO!

I'm not sure what they are doing out there, it appears that they haven't done anything in a while. Not sure if its budget conerns, lack of man power or what. Any questions regarding Haikey should be addressed to Wayne Forest.

I realize none of the baskets at McClure ever get moved but that does not make it a bad idea.

If I had alternate locations at Dovillio I would switch it up once a month or so.

Having two baskets on one hole is wasteful in my mind.


Though people would get more black aces....



How is adding 8 baskets to make a third course on black wasteful? Your not having to put in a whole course, and people that don't want to play them don't have to!!

Lets just keep putting up courses like chandler and riverside so we can get real good at throwing 250ft shots!!!



Ummm...

Who mentioned making more short courses? I didn't.

And having TWO baskets on ONE hole, is, in my mind, wasteful.

I agreed that you had a good idea here, but your attitude seems to be off the mark.

I am not saying we need to not put more holes in at Black and make and extend Reed or something....I am saying that locking collars are the way to go to make this idea a reality.


But to be honest I will not be thinking about this idea very much as the NT is looming overhead.

Maybe you should go try and work on all those 250' shots at the lodge so you don't trip up on a home course..... :o:D :eek: /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



Attitude is off mark... Wise will do that to you!! :D

Well this was an interesting read, I feel like I should get to put a little bit of input on this subject.

I always wanted a setup like two of my favorite tracks of all time Hudson Mills in Ann Arbor MI...(Zooc and Zimmerman been there before and know these courses) The Great Lakes Open is there annually and it hosted the 2000 Worlds and will host the 2010 Worlds. It is two 24 hole courses side by side with 18 numbered holes and 6 letter holes. It gives you the option to play the original 18 or the big 24. 24 holes actually plays great for tournaments also. Blackhawk and Redhawk could absolutely adapt this style of course.

BlackHawk could have been stretched out in many areas. I wanted #2 back around the corner, (but there is traffic at that parking area sometimes which is hazardous...not to me and you but to a Rec golfer trying to throw to hard can jerk a disc over and hurt someone) #3 I originally intended it to be a dog leg right longer and over that dry creek bed. Then go from there to 6 letter holes and then catch back up on #4. Sure you could stretch out a lot of holes but without golf carts par 68's & 72's kind of get long and drawn out for the average golfers...sure they are very challenging for super pro's but there is only a handful of those guys, and it's always better to develop players than to punish players on a permanent course.

Tulsa used to only have 2 par 4's in the whole town and they both were at Haikey so feel blessed that there are many more now. Plus Tulsa wasn't quite ready for a truly evil Gold course as itself. If it is long pads on an existing course then possibly...Most of the local recreational golfers prefer the easier stuff and don't like getting 12's & 15's on holes which is fine.

I will say though, after all the hard work that was put into that course by Wagle, Wise, Zooc, etc. that they really should be the people that should be handling any course design or changes. Those guys have the most blood, sweat, & tears put into getting the course approved and installed. If they would like your opinion on some design or changes that would be cool but I hope any "projects" out there go through one of those folks. Put your time in workin on the course and get these guys respect on that aspect also. We all respect you as a great player but you gotta put some time working at that place before you can really expect to start making changes.

I 'm looking forward to seeing what the new Owasso course looks like.

I agree totally!! I wasn't trying to be the one to do all of or any changes without going thru the black hawk work crew, just thought that it was a good idea. Many of the people that I play with out there agree with the ideas of different hole locations, doesn't mean that I will be the one to make the changes, if it was to ever happen. Based on all of the negative feedback I see it's not likely. I will start to make time for work days to better our Mecca of Course, not for ones respect :(

Check these out!! Where I got the idea of 2 baskets.

Hornet's Nest Web Course (http://www.charlottedgc.com/images/hornets/hornetsnestwtour.wmv)

Renaissance Gold Course (http://www.charlottedgc.com/images/renaissance/rennygtour.wmv)

Been to both of those tracks as you know I feel like Charlotte has the best courses in the World and the Hornet's Nest will always be one of my favorites, but could you imagine Johnny Rec player trying to play Charlotte's Web (*Which I actually got to name for Stan ;) ) or Renny Gold? YIKES!!!

It's a really cool set up because the less experience player can play the smaller course and the more experienced can play the longer set up.

It's actually been a very popular way to add courses on the east coast where land is very limited...Maple Hill in MassaCHUcetts even has 4 baskets on some holes to offer 8 different course possibilities. Warwick, NY, Knob Hill in Pittsburgh, etc. are the same way with Silver and Gold baskets along with long and short tees to offer 4 different variations of courses to play on any given day without moving baskets, busted collars, etc. but baskets cost money...if you have it then it's a great idea.

By the way Happy Birthday

thanks, see you in a few weeks partner

Oh yeah.. Mr. Treat- i would also go work on those 250' shots!! Cause last time we played together.. It wasn't so pretty!! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif j/k

:cool:I forgot about those awsome courses Kev... that is a cool thing, and maybee even having a sleeve or two for those pins for many options. Imagine the wolf game you could have. :D

I think adding baskets would be freaking awesome. Obviously, money is always an issue. Time is an issue. Resources are an issue. There are lots of things that stand in the way of anything happening. And maybe this won't happen for a while, or ever happen for that matter, but I think that having the opportunity to make one of the best courses that I have ever played, even better is a no brainer. I was out at Black the other day and was thinking about how cool it would be to setup 6 more alternate holes after hole 3 and before hole 4, like Kev was saying, would really be.

I did have the opportunity to play the 'Web' course in Charlotte. (note, I was in awe pretty much my entire time I was in that area.) But playing that course continually, every hole, made me wish I was a better player. I was loving every hole design they had there. The
It also makes me wish that I could design courses such as that one and Blackhawk.

I just wish that everyone has the opportunity to play a course like this. Of all of the courses listed in this debate, you should try to play one if the chance ever arises. The videos are a nice touch, but still make it hard to grasp how sweet the set-ups truly are.

Just a couple thoughts.

I want to try and start down this road. I have a chain saw and am willing to use it. What would we rather do? 6 more holes or add collars to the already existing holes/clear out areas and make the original 18 stronger?

I want to try and start down this road. I have a chain saw and am willing to use it. What would we rather do? 6 more holes or add collars to the already existing holes/clear out areas and make the original 18 stronger?


I'll throw in my two cents and say that adding collars for alternate placements would be the way to go. It would be nice just to mix things up for tournaments. It would be hard to justify adding baskets at a course that floods every time it sprinkles.

now !!!!!
there's a guy thinking with his feet!!!

... hiya fellers ... a quick-note into this sports-recreation-chat-board-thread :

... Haikey Creek has new Plans already submitted into County Parks' Director hands ... the Course-TD and he have ongoing conversations ...
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... for further reference on this matter , also see : June 12 - 13 , 2010 ...

Hudson Mills is one of my favorites for sure. Would love to see an extra 6 holes out there.

New ratings are up !

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920 and dropping!

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Crossbow Rating = -1 Thumb.

Thank God you don't have a BB gun or you would have shot your eye out by now.:cool:

You can't count that. I didn't lose the thumb and I was still able to complete my mission.

I want to try and start down this road. I have a chain saw and am willing to use it. What would we rather do? 6 more holes or add collars to the already existing holes/clear out areas and make the original 18 stronger?

I am glad that you want to make a championship caliber course in town Josh. First I would recommend coming to a TDSA meeting (next one is 6pm Feb 8th at McClure Rec Center - Double check with Wayne Forest on this) and the other one would be recruiting guys to help you like Wise talked about. The people that want this course are the upper level players like you, Dorries, Coda, Devon, Adam - so you all need to come together and make this thing happen with your ideas and with your work on the course. If you can get this rolling with a group to back you I am all for it and will help too. I would start with making your proposal at the TDSA meeting.
Cris