The 2009 Oklahoma State USDGC spot will not be awarded at the Ok. States this year as in years past. It will be awarded thru a series of events across Oklahoma.

The following 7 events have been chosen to be qualifying events. Players must play a MINIMUM of 4 events. Your RATINGS will then be averaged for the four events for a total. The player with the highest rating will win the spot. Players playing more than four events can use their best 4 ratings of the 7 events. Winner will receive FREE entry to the USDGC.

The 7 events are...

TDSA Spring Fling Kick off 2-21-09
Duncan Hillclimber 3-28/29-09
Edmond Open (Mitch Park)5-2/3-09
OK State Championship (Lodge @ Pawhuska) 5-16/17-09
Norman Pro/Am 5-23-09
Riverside Glide 7-18/19-09
Twisted Flyer $10,000.00 challenge (Dolese Park OKC) 8-8-09

Good Luck! A trip to RocK Hill to the United states disc Golf Championship can change your life forever! see you on the battlefield!

Good idea!!! I like that it isn't based off just one tourny. Should have good pro turnout to all of those events!!!

Who says a Pro is going to win it? :p

I'm in with a PAID ENTRY already!!! Doesn't matter to me!!!

This weekend will be the first event in the USDGC Qualifying Series. Players must compete in at least 4 events listed above. You can play more or all if you want. The person with the highest rated average for 4 events will be awarded the spot.

Example if you shot a 965 / 988 / 728 / 924 your average rating would be 901.25

In the event there is a tie winner will be chosen by a CTP Roc shot of Coordinators choice.

Look forward to seeing MANY OKIES in the mix this year in Rock Hill.

After the kick off event in Tulsa, The City Championships (hosted by TNT productions) the Top 10 is as follows.

1 = Cris Hicks 1004.5 Avg.
2 = Coda Hatfield 1000.0 Avg.
3 = Adam Hunt 994.5 Avg.
4 = Kyle Wilkes 982.0 Avg.
5 = Chris Wagle 967.5 Avg.
6 = Devan Owens 964.5 Avg.
7 = Justin Bougher 957.0 Avg.
8 = Weston Moody 955.5 Avg.
9 = Jeremy Geiger 955.0 Avg.
10= James Roubidoux 950.0 Avg.

This is after event 1. Next qualifying event is Duncan HillClimber Open!

Might as well pull the Dude and Coda out they are in like flynn @ USDGC...I think 6 is the record of Okies at USDGC in one year. The Hitman has been once before. He could play well the 2nd tie around...JT only missed qualifying by 3 so the OKIE's could represent in Rock Hill

I know Coda and Devan will / are qualified and some of the Advanced players will drop out over time. This is just the first run of the Top 10 so all players showed bask in their moments!

Joe Mr. NT TD...This dude is trying to do an impersonation of the one and only Twisted 1 but he can't pull it off like the OG. Check out some footage of a couple of holes at East Roswell (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNNtjtIQvpA) where we will be having the AtlantaOpen NT in 2 weeks. You can go ahead and skip to 1:30 into the video, to see our fabulous Hole #4 It's a real beauty :D

The ATL at it's finest :DIt kind of has that Woodson Park appeal :D

Wow and tournament lodging right on the course, how can it get any better than that? :D

How much do those trailers rent for during the event? :o

Wow and tournament lodging right on the course, how can it get any better than that? :D

How much do those trailers rent for during the event? :o



Looks like timeshare material to me.

looks more like by the hour digs to me, wonder what comes with the bed.

Where exactly is Duncan Lake? For the Hillclimber that is, thanks!

looks more like by the hour digs to me, wonder what comes with the bed.



A complementary crab platter , I believe. :o:o:eek: :D

Looks like a few places I have delivered to on my day job! That guy has NO freestyle skillz... You can tell when I'm done on the mic... you'll smell your eye lashes melting down your face playa!

Keep Devan out of the crackshakz!!! And up in the KizAsh!

As long as the Dude isn't too claustrophobic in the woods on Saturday he should do fine here in the ATL. Sunday he will get to stretch the arm out. There are only a few people here that throw real far. The locals around here are more suited for the woods so Devan will be able to scare some of the locals with his D on Sunday and should be able to move up. If I was handicapping his upcoming performance here in ATL like a Daily Racing Form, I would expect him to be around 10-12 pokes back, (top half, 20th or so) on Saturday but closing with a big finish to get within 8 strokes with another top 10 finish.

Not trying to knock the DUDE on saturday but East Roswell is a different kind of beast...it is so tight and so technical that just a hair off or get a few bad kicks and you could be shooting 60 something and someone will be shooting 49. I wouldn't bet on any of the young guns on that day (if your playing fantasy disc golf) It's guaranteed that 14 of your 18 drives will end by hitting a tree, you better hope your hitting the tree closest to the basket instead of the 3rd tree, then the 4th, then the 12th tree, oh and then the 17th tree oh [censored] now your 3 fairways over. :D

That hole 4 at East Roswell is funny because what happens when a TV or DVD fro the NT is recording on that hole. You can't actually see the trailers from the tee because the fairway is a camel back hump and the trailers are actually below where you are teeing from, but they are basically right in the middle of the fairway.

The hole is actually pretty cool....It's about 470ft but I can get it all the way to the hole because when you get over the trailers the ground is just funneling down towards the basket and it's hard dirt. I've seen discs skip down the hill over 150 feet so it only really plays about 380ft....It's just too bad that the trailers are there cuz they are disgusting.

Dude SMASHED it in ROUND ROCK!!! ANOTHER WIN for the DUDE!

Attention Pro's and Advanced players... stop 2 on the USDGC struggle tour will be in Duncan. Our current leader Cris Hicks will be on hand to slow your roll.

On pace for a big Okie year... will you be there?

That would be Red Rock not Round Rock and yes the Dude is on a roll! Congrats also to Andrew Treat on his win in advanced.
I am on my wedding march to the Big Easy and will not be playing any tourneys until after I get back from my honeymoon (hopefully squeeze in a fun last round at Chandlerstock after coming back to T-Town).
I do plan to get my four tourneys in and have a chance at this USDGC spot. As Joe will attest USDGC is the place to be and you won't regret going.
Sorry I am missing Duncan, that place has taught me a few lessons in the past (like don't throw your 2nd run CE Valk into a headwind at the top of the hill, it will go in the lake )
I'm sure I'm going to miss out on a good and Twisted time at Duncan!

Red Rock / Round Rock whatever Roc. Sorry we will miss you in Duncan. It's gonna be packed out. Traditionally that is Coda and Matt Stewarts house, but then again your old now, like I am.

USDGC is the only true disc golf event worthy of "Championship" being in the title. IMO.

Maybe Gunner will come out of the woodwork for another victory :o

1 = Cris Hicks 1004.5 + 0 = 1004.5 Avg.
2 = Coda Hatfield 1000.0 + 1007.0 = 1003.5 Avg.
3 = Adam Hunt 994.5 + 0 = 994.5 Avg.
4 = Kyle Wilkes 982.0 + 0 = 982.0 Avg.
5 = Matt Steward = 976.75 Avg.
6 = Micah McHugh = 973.25 Avg.
7 = Daryl Johnson = 970.25 Avg.
8 = Jake Christian = 965.5 Avg.
9 = W. Kyle Power = 964.75 Avg.
10 = Devan Owens = 964.5 Avg.
11 = Chris Schrader = 962.25 Avg.
12 = Andrew Treat = 961.25 Avg.
13 = Weston Moody 955.5 + 960.25 = 957.87 Avg.
14 = Justin Bougher = 957.0 Avg.
15 = Jeremy Geiger = 955.0 Avg.
16 = James Roubidoux = 950.0 Avg.
17 = Chris Wagle 967.5 + 924.5 = 946 Avg.
18 = John Logan III = 943.75 Avg.

so i found this thread BURIED in the darkness.

riverside glide is coming up soon. only two tourneys left on the list of 7 and no one has mentioned it in a while. hopefully not everyone is giving up on it. I didnt get to play in the spring fling or duncan but as luck would have it... I was able to play Tye, OK states, and Norman and originally had NO intention of trying to win this spot... but it seems like im in good shape to make a run for the spot.

so this is a call out to those who have played in some of the series who dont already have USDGC spots, lets see some good competition out at the Glide and at Dolese...

btw.. already a ton of OK golfers going to usdgc this year.... of the ones I know of coda, devan, adam, andrew, and joe? are there more?

I havent looked at everyones scores but i know steward, crowl, and hicks have some good tourneys in the books for the spot so... it could be a close race coming down to maybe the last tourney at dolese!

WE ARE TALKIN BOUT THE GREATEST TOURNEY IN THE GAME...

my weak attempt at spurring some interest and hopefully getting some of you golfers with a chance at the spot interested in coming out and kickin my *** at least (shouldnt be too hard!)

PD... I can't update the contest until the good folks at the Blue and green shop make the ratings official. I spent 15 minutes on a call to our Tour Manager to try and settle it but we unfortunately were speaking 2 or 6 different languages. We used to be able to see round ratings once (as in instantly) we uploaded them to pdga.com. Now with our newer fancy type ad intense pop up fiesta we have to wait until it traverses all channels of the universe and then the ratings show up.

Events that need to be posted are...

Tye F Cunningham Memorial
Oklahoma States
Norman Pro / Am

The RIVERSIDE GLIDE HAS BEEN CHANGED TO A ONE DAY EVENT BUT IT WILL STILL BE A PART OF THE SERIES SO MAKE SURE AND PRE REG WHEN IT IS AVAILABLE.

I will update the contest when the information is available.

1 = Cris Hicks 1004.5 + 0 + 998.0 = 1001.25 Avg.
2 = Coda Hatfield 1000.0 + 1007.0 + 1051.5 = 1019.5 Avg.
3 = Adam Hunt 994.5 + 0 + 984.0 = 989.25 Avg.
4 = Kyle Wilkes 982.0 + 0 = 1025.0 = 1003.5 Avg.
5 = Matt Steward 976.75 + 1004.5 = 990.625 Avg.
6 = Micah McHugh = 973.25 Avg.
7 = Daryl Johnson = 970.25 + 948.0 = 959.125 Avg.
8 = Jake Christian = 965.5 Avg.
9 = W. Kyle Power = 964.75 Avg.
10 = Devan Owens = 964.5 Avg.
11 = Chris Schrader = 962.25 Avg.
12 = Andrew Treat = 961.25 Avg.
13 = Weston Moody 955.5 + 960.25 = 957.87 Avg.
14 = Justin Bougher = 957.0 Avg.
15 = Jeremy Geiger = 955.0 Avg.
16 = James Roubidoux = 950.0 Avg.
17 = Chris Wagle 967.5 + 924.5 = 946 Avg.
18 = John Logan III = 943.75 Avg.

Thats the best I can do for now. The following events ratings are being held hostage by the PDGA...

Tye F Cunningham Memorial / The Oklahoma States / Norman Pro-Am

I had a fifteen minute talking down from the tour manager about how ratings are not available until after the report is filed and certified official... funny the system auto calculated Riverside Glide and posted tonight. You can bet I am calling them again this week.

those ratings should be available with the next ratings update, it says tuesday no the main page. we should have all 6 / 7 tourney ratings available at that point

update is out, Tye Cunningham doesnt have ratings? :( what the heck!!

Chuck,

May 2-3 in Edmond, OK.. the Tye F. Cunningham tournament has official results, but no ratings? is there a reason there are no ratings?

I did notice it still says sanctioning pending, but the tournament was a long time ago, what causes a long wait on the sanctioning?

Thanks


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The report probably was received at PDGA HQ just after the deadline for this ratings update. That means it will be in the next update around Sept 1.
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So we won't be able to calculate in tye cunningham into an update




So.... I did a couple calculations

First of all, coda, devan, and adam hunt have spots to USDGC already. and of the people who have played enough events to qualify these are the 4 people closest to the spot, i don't think I missed anyone who but let me know if you think someone else has played enough events and is close to these averages....

Paul Dorries = 997.5 (norman) + 985 (states) + 991 (glide) = 991.1667
Matt Steward = 1004.5 (glide) + 1021.5 (states) + 976.5 (duncan) = 1000.833
Josh Crowl = 961 (states) + 1004.5 (glide) = 982.75
Chris Hicks = 1004.5 (city1) + 939.5 (states) + 998 (glide) = 980.667

IF YOU INCLUDE TYE CUNNINGHAM... my avg was 1003.75 there, josh was 1003.5, and steward was low, i dont remember how low...

Paul Dorries with Tye C. added = 994.31
Josh Crowl with Tye C added = 989.667
Steward with Tye C added (assuming 960 rating for tye c. i think it was lower) = 990



Basically it comes down to crowl, steward, hicks, and dorries ... battling it out at Dolese... if you think someone else is close to these averages and I missed them... just post it up

Good luck to everyone in the running..

I don't think you can have a better time than going to USDGC!!!

Unless you're playing USDGC!

Joe,

It doesn't affect me, but I'm interested in how you are going to calculate the ratings. It appears that you are going to average the average ratings of each event. This produces different results than taking all the rounds and averaging them together. I see valid arguments for both ways of calculating it. Just curious.

Adam

Adam, isn't that the same example that Paul gave? It would appear that he is using averages of each event to obtain an overall average.

Adam, isn't that the same example that Paul gave? It would appear that he is using averages of each event to obtain an overall average.

Matt already knew that Tye F. Cunnigham wasn't going to be rated due to the fact that they couldn't establich a SSA for the course due to weather... Don't really under stand that but whatever... I assume he complained enough to get them to not rate the tourny due to mud...

Matt already knew that Tye F. Cunnigham wasn't going to be rated due to the fact that they couldn't establich a SSA for the course due to weather... Don't really under stand that but whatever... I assume he complained enough to get them to not rate the tourny due to mud...


Are you SURE that is the case? I really hope not... On the PDGA website it still says "Sanction Pending" if you go to the event info portion.

I don't want to jump to any conclusions before I know all the facts, but if someone did complain to have Tye Cunningham ratings removed, how is that fair to our competition? It was one of the stops, and I can't believe a little mud and mist can make ratings not count... this can't be the case.

I have some terrible ratings from the links at springdale where it POURED on our heads during play and we still had round ratings.

Dave,

Paul calculated like you said. First he averaged each tournament, then he averaged those averages. If you add up every round and find the average, it comes out differently. This is because some tournaments have four rounds and some have two. It appears that Joe is calculating using the first method. I'm just asking him to clarify.

Adam

I asked Chuck to clarify to make sure there would be ratings for this tournament, eventually...




"The PDGA is getting TD reports every day now. Apparently that report has been received but not until after the deadline for today's update. So, there are no ratings now (as is always the case once reports are received) and it will get ratings Sept 1.

- Chuck"

If It comes down to it and the ratings are really close then Matt S shouldn't recieve the USDGC spot because obviously his rating for the Tye F Tournament is going to be horrible with a 2nd from dead last finish!

I asked Chuck to clarify to make sure there would be ratings for this tournament, eventually...




"The PDGA is getting TD reports every day now. Apparently that report has been received but not until after the deadline for today's update. So, there are no ratings now (as is always the case once reports are received) and it will get ratings Sept 1.

- Chuck"

The PDGA has had the reports since shortly after the event and they have cashed the checks or accepted the paypal money long ago. The PDGA CASHED CHECK 31213 ISSUED 5/5 FOR $348.00 for the TYE F CUNNINGHAM MEMORIAL. This "auto-reply" answer was the same bs I got from Gentry, which resulted in an arguement and him acting like I was stupid. Once agin I will call them.

Joe,

It doesn't affect me, but I'm interested in how you are going to calculate the ratings. It appears that you are going to average the average ratings of each event. This produces different results than taking all the rounds and averaging them together. I see valid arguments for both ways of calculating it. Just curious.

Adam


Adam,
They will be calculated just as it says in the original announcement... averages of events, NOT individual rounds.

Matt already knew that Tye F. Cunnigham wasn't going to be rated due to the fact that they couldn't establich a SSA for the course due to weather... Don't really under stand that but whatever... I assume he complained enough to get them to not rate the tourny due to mud...



That is news to me. I find it amazing the PDGA has not spoke of this to the TD about this. if it is really the case.

That is news to me. I find it amazing the PDGA has not spoke of this to the TD or the State Coordinator... If thats the case it is going to get pretty frikkin' ugly on here.

It is... He said he talked to them last week or something... I thought he was just blowing smoke... but still no ratings... Sucks because I had some pretty good ratings that would raise mine a lil...

Ok... here is the real deal Holyfield. The PDGA received everything they needed in a timely manner. Sanctioning, Report and Cash (within 2 days of event). According to Karolyn at the PDGA everything is there handy they just missed it for some reason in the ratings sweeps. Therefore there were no ratings official or unofficial, then or now. She explained they are sorry and will try to include the ratings in the post World's update IF they do one. If not it would be September. The SSA rumor is not true according to the HQ.

Once again sorry for the delay, it was an uphill battle.

Once again sorry for the delay, it was an uphill battle.

It definitely wasn't your fault Joe, thanks for staying on top of it!

No sweat. It's all gravy. I was just stressin' over being half way thru and not getting numbers. I will update the new standings that are available tonight after the mini.

Good luck to ALL... the USDGC is gonna be full of Okies this year. I can hear em' now "the okies are coming!!! The okies are coming!!!"

After the Norman Pro-Am ratings update it looks like this...

Cris Hicks 1004.5 + 0 + 998.0 = 1001.25 Avg.
Kyle Wilkes 982.0 + 0 = 1025.0 = 1003.5 Avg.
Paul Dorries 997.5 Avg.
Matt Steward 976.75 + 1004.5 = 990.625 Avg.
Micah McHugh = 973.25 Avg.
Daryl Johnson = 970.25 + 948.0 = 959.125 Avg.
Jake Christian = 965.5 Avg.
W. Kyle Power = 964.75 + 1024.75 = 994.75 Avg.
Chris Schrader = 962.25 Avg.
Weston Moody 955.5 + 960.25 = 957.87 Avg.
Justin Bougher = 957.0 Avg.
Jeremy Geiger = 955.0 Avg.
James Roubidoux = 950.0 Avg.
Chris Wagle 967.5 + 924.5 = 946 Avg.
John Logan III = 943.75 Avg.

Cris Hicks 1004.5 + 0 + 998.0 + 939.5 = 980.66666666 Avg.
Paul Dorries 997.5 + 985.0 + 991.0 = 991.16666 Avg.
Josh Crowl 982.75 + 961.0 = 971.875 Avg.
Matt Steward 976.75 + 1004.5 +1021.5 = 1000.9166 Avg.
Daryl Johnson = 970.25 + 948.0 = 959.125 Avg.
W. Kyle Power = 964.75 + 1024.75 = 994.75 Avg.

After Norman Pro/Am it is down to a few people...

THE LAST EVENT IS THIS SATURDAY AT DOLESE PARK... LET'S CROWN OUR WINNER!

Cris Hicks 1004.5 + 0 + 998.0 + 939.5 = 980.66666666 Avg.
Paul Dorries 997.5 + 985.0 + 991.0 = 991.16666 Avg.
Josh Crowl 982.75 + 961.0 = 971.875 Avg.
Matt Steward 976.75 + 1004.5 +1021.5 = 1000.9166 Avg.
Daryl Johnson = 970.25 + 948.0 = 959.125 Avg.
W. Kyle Power = 964.75 + 1024.75 = 994.75 Avg.

After Norman Pro/Am it is down to a few people...

THE LAST EVENT IS THIS SATURDAY AT DOLESE PARK... LET'S CROWN OUR WINNER!

apparently I am not using the right numbers to calculate, but all i can go off of is what is listed on the pdga website. i am getting different averages for some tournaments so. i will just let it be and see what happens saturday

I just got off the phone with Karolyn at the PDGA and she is pulling the ratings of the top 5 players at the TFCM and emailing them to me to figure in sometime this week.

After this weekend we will go back and recheck, recount and reverify everything...

I am looking forward to awarding the STATE spot this weekend. All 5 of you had better bring your a game... DOLESE ON THE SHORTS can change everything...

I wonder what the odds would be on the top runners for the USDGC spot??
Maybe a little something like this?
-Steward - 4:1
-Dorries - 12:1
-Hicks - 25:1
-Crowl - 30:1
Any takers??

I can't wait to see the numbers role in for today's tournament. It is a very close match between Matt and I...

I think you got it paully, best of luck!!! You deserve it very much!! Devon doesn't finish again????? Keep this up and I assure you, you will lose your sponsorship!! hope he can throw discrap!!!

Paul, we can room together if you do get the spot!!! That would be awesome if you do!!! I can get your game in check with some practice and you will make some real $$$$ at disc golf baby!!!!

I can't wait to see the numbers role in for today's tournament. It is a very close match between Matt and I...

I think your going to edge him out!

I want to congratulate Mr. Paulie on his jump to open today. $100 bones out of the gate. I'm proud of you and you'll do great at USDGC!

Congrats Dorries, keep up the good work!

i want to get excited but i gotta hear it officially before i get too pumped.

coda- that would be awesome man, id love that.. if I get to take on rock hill I would need all the help i could get!

its crazy how out of 4 averaged tournaments its coming down to something this close.

Who has become victorious?

Who has become victorious?

meteor or cro?

:-P

joe's facebook status seems to report that the CRO was better for his gameplay

Paul I know you have been wanting this USDGC spot and both you and Josh have been battling to get it. Eventhough I know I am out of the running I am still excited to see who our state rep is. Good luck!
USDGC is a one of a kind and I mean that in the best sort of way!

Whew what a battle! Oh the drama of not getting the correct ratings of the website and now it comes to this. Way to hook it up OKLAHOMA!!!


PAUL DORRIES
1005.5 @ $10,000 challenge
1004.75 @ Tye F Cunningham Memorial
997.5 @ Norman Pro Am
992.5 @ Riverside Glide
= 4000.25 / 4 = 1000.0625 average

MATT STEWARD
1021.5 @ OK States
1006.0 @ Riverside Glide
989.5 @ $10,000 Challenge
976.5 @ Duncan HillClimber
= 3993.5 / 4 = 998.375

Paul is our 2009 USDGC REPRESENTATIVE. Congrats Paul... NICE SHOOTING.

Good job Dorries! Thanks for all you do Joe!

Thanks Adam! NOW it's official...

Paul Dorries please call Joe Rotan

What an honor to get to represent Oklahoma at USDGC!!! At the beginning of this year if you told me I was going to be playing in USDGC I would have probably laughed, but tournament after tournament in the series for the spot I saw it becoming a possibility. I am looking forward to it and will do my best to show em what Okie disc golfers can do!

Thanks Joe and everyone for this amazing opportunity!

Paul, you will do fine. I apologize for the delay in announcing it and the bit of confusion about the ratings. We got some kuddos for making it a long qualifying battle and we get to be the example of what if it was a tie. I know you will be in the mix in Rock Hill!

Your entry was paid today, I need some info for the form. The TD's who supported the $1 per event were Wayne Forest, Mike Treat and Twisted Flyer.

Congratulations Paul!

Congrats DorriesDomination.

congrats paul, Well played!

Congrats Paul. You really put the playing time in and earned this one! You are going to love USDGC!

thanks everyone for the support! you guys are a great disc golf community to be a part of

Dorries keep Matt in mind when your at the USDGC remember to talk trash to all the big name pros like Matt would and did at the national tour at the lodge:) and good luck.... try to forget you suck on the way there...i always play much better when i havent played in a while and forget how much my putting sucks.it usually comes back to me in a round or 2 tho :(

in all seriousness congrats and represent us Okies well or we tar and feather you when you get back. :)-

it usually comes back to me in a round or 2 :(
Or never!

Good luck at USDGC Paul!

Congratulations to Paul for some very consistent, well executed golf!

A BIG THANK YOU to the TD's who threw in $1.00 from their qualifying events

Mike / Andrew Treat aka TnT Productions
Wayne Forest
Steve King aka DIG
The Edmond Disc Golf Club
Twisted Flyer

We were able to pay Pauls entry fee to soften the blow of expenses. Good LUCK on the Hill Mr. Dorries and enjoy your time. YOU EARNED IT!

Thanks again Joe.

ALso, big thank you to the treats, forest, dig, EDGC (go play the tye cunningham course, its very fun), and twisted for supporting the $1.00 donations. It really does help a lot to have that entry fee covered. thank you thank you!!!

Will do my best to play to my full potential, but mostly plan on having fun and being a good rep for OK disc golf. I'll leave it to Coda and Devan to slay the big stars and show them all that us OKIES belong on top.

but mostly plan on having fun and being a good rep for OK disc golf..

In other words you're just going to party eh?

How about you bunking with Devon so you can be his personal wake up call and get him to the course on time? :)

In other words you're just going to party eh?

How about you bunking with Devon so you can be his personal wake up call and get him to the course on time? :)

i will definitely do my best to make sure the DUDE makes it on time. although, i'm sure hes learned his lesson, missing worlds is something you probably tend to not forget

Well at least you earned your invite and I'm sure you'll do better than Wise.

I believe the only reason he got the free invite that one year was because Joe and Keldog needed a designated driver. :)

Doesn't matter, I was there, I played, I finished. Thatrs more than 95% of the golfers out there will ever have the chance to do.:p

Yeah, I know. You're the Private Ryan from the movie "Saving Private Ryan" except you've never understood the concept of "earn this". :)

Kind of like the job, woman and disc course you have now?:cool:

I have earned those things buddy. :)

You and

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I keep it real and I keep it fun for those that wish to remain confortably numb.


It's not my fault Obama is trying to take your job away.

The world needs plenty of bartenders and I could be your biggest client.

I'm sure there is always some highway flagman construction job you could get. You would have to drive to Tulsa though. :)

With all the churches in Owasso why don't you start one of your own?

Mine is just where he is starting, your's may be next.:confused:

Well then let's go ahead and start up a church in Owasso with a soup kitchen just in case. One right by Centennial would be nice and we could call it the "Furdog Church of Sleeping in Late on Sundays."

Well... It is now 2010. I'm a little curious if we have decided as to how the Okie spot will be awarded this year. I've heard some rumors, but would like to know for sure so I can plan to try and win the spot. Thanks!

I am still trying to pull off something sweet for the spot. Should know soon enough. My goal is to give it away earlier this year. Do you guys have any suggestions?

I'll take it off your hands, this way you will not have to stress over it or have to spend the time to come up with a solution. its a win win. ;)

Go ahead and make it a final decision this weekend while all the big boys are in St Louis. It willbe just like healthcare, they can come in on Monday and its all over and done.

I'll take it off your hands, this way you will not have to stress over it or have to spend the time to come up with a solution. its a win win. ;)

Go ahead and make it a final decision this weekend while all the big boys are in St Louis. It willbe just like healthcare, they can come in on Monday and its all over and done.
I say give it to Dave he can afford to go there and take his shot at the big boys!:cool:

I think that if you give away the spot...who ever gets it has to take a caddy....that way more than one can get to be at the event....????

Give it to Forest...he deserves some frosting...for all the 'cake' he has cooked up all these years...

Give it to Forest...he deserves some frosting...for all the 'cake' he has cooked up all these years...
Sounds good to me I would love to caddy for the Tree Master :D

Well, I am definitely excited to hear what will be happening for giving out the OK spot this year. Congratulations to whomever gets the opportunity this year. Whether it is given away or it is played for, the person getting to go with most definitely deserve it.

Thanks for the quick response Joe Ro!

I think we should play for it to be fair! The only qualifier should be is that you are a resident of the fine state of OK! Thanks for all that you do Joe.

Do you guys have any suggestions?

my suggestion!

haikey creek classic

24 + 24 + 24 = 72 holes to determine a winner... plenty of golf and chance to prove consistency, hit lines in trees, throw long shots with canopies, throw long shots with accuracy, make putts around trees, and test stamina from a lot of golf shots in a short period of time. Haikey is a good mesh with USDGC because both require long flat accurate shots. I feel that whoever can do good at Haikey would have a great chance to succeed at usdgc.

5 dollar entry (like 2 years ago) to go to the winner to help cover expenses etc.

plenty of guys in OKC and Tulsa that could win this, competition is looking really strong for the 2010 spot.

Must reside in OKLAHOMA is always a good rule. Would suck to have some touring guy or out of stater representing OK.

and finally... if you were thinking of giving it away, there are definitely a lot of deserving individuals who have given a lot to the OK disc golf scene over the years (since back before some of us even knew what disc golf was!!) it is definitely a unique and joyous experience that any long time disc golf fan would enjoy.

This years USDGC Spot will be awarded to the best overall scoring PRO PLAYER of the Haikey Creek Classic. Best PRO PLAYER means Pro Men, Pro Women, Pro Masters, Pro Grand etc. If the top player is already qualified the spot will be deferred to the next best score and so on.

This will be your only chance at the coveted spot so get signed up NOW!!! Paul thanks for your thoughts on the matter. After Edmond Park fell through it seemed like a great choice. Way to contribute!

This years USDGC Spot will be awarded to the best overall scoring PRO PLAYER of the Haikey Creek Classic. Best PRO PLAYER means Pro Men, Pro Women, Pro Masters, Pro Grand etc. If the top player is already qualified the spot will be deferred to the next best score and so on.

This will be your only chance at the coveted spot so get signed up NOW!!! Paul thanks for your thoughts on the matter. After Edmond Park fell through it seemed like a great choice. Way to contribute!

So Am players, even if they were to beat all the pro players can just lump it, guess that makes it the United States PRO disc golf championship. :D

I don't think USDGC requires anyone to be a pro. I agree Martin, it should be the best score overall, regardless of division. Granted, it will more than likely be a pro but I'd sure hate to see the best score shut out just due to division.

First off... if an AM were to win it would be a flaw in the system. Or a non member SAND BAGGER!!! If an Advanced player thinks they can sandy on up and win it MOVE UP! I chose PRO's (anyone can play pro that feels lucky) so they could all be competing with USDGC style pressure rather than a few of our local notorious AM's for life taking the lower Advanced road and not having the pressure. For instance Wilkes can play advanced and chill with his buds in a calm environment, while Hunt sweats it out against the likes of Dorries and Mitch Mac. The names are only examples as I don't feel like looking up ratings.

So... If your an AM and you think you got that shot... MOVE UP for a weekend... drop a toe or two in the water... it's nice in there!

I totally agree with you Joe. Just gonna speak freely here. If you are advanced or whoever you think will shoot the best score, and you are planning on beating the likes of Jared Pennington, Billy Lund, Josh Crowl, Matt Steward, James Hall, myself, or insert any of our good local masters players names here... then you are playing in the wrong division anyway.

I think the support for our Ams lately in tulsa has been very strong, you can not argue against that. Let the "pros" have something to play for, one of the benefits of "moving up" and having to battle guys like coda and jared every freaking round!

Then why shouldn't the advanced players have the same shot? Like I said, it will more than likely be a pro with the best overall. Paul, divisions for this tournament and the USDGC spot are two compelty different things. If players are on the same course at the same time, then thye ALL should have a spot. There is no requirement that the spot be offered to pros only. He11, there is no requirement that Joe even put it up for grabs. It is his decision only.

He11, there is no requirement that Joe even put it up for grabs. It is his decision only.

What does this have anything to do with the topic at hand here? Stop trying to beat a dead horse Wise, I made plenty of good arguments in my last post that you didn't even address. You stuck with your same solo argument of "everyone is playing the same course."

Call it a perk of playing up, just like Joe said. The USDGC is the highest class tournament we have in our sport. Just using my case as an example from last year, I played open in all the qualifying tournaments last year, turning down cash monies everytime. I still went to play am worlds and ended up being fortunate enough to edge out matt by one or two shots for the spot. I wouldn't be upset at all if ams were included in this, but I am in favor of the PRO only TWIST... it gives the guys who are manning up and playing up the chance to compete for something other than 2nd place (thanks coda!).

I am seriously not going to get wrapped up in this thread anymore. Ive stated my opinion, and have lots of work to do. Peace.

State spot should be up for state players. What arguments? Pros are better so they should have the only chance? Wow, what an elitest attitude you have gotten since you turned pro. I guess you should have NEVER been allowed to compete for it last time. In other words, we sent the wrong player. We should have sent a real pro. Don't let that wrap around your mind too much.

Easy fella's... can't we all just get along! Wise (imagine my love ya like a brother voice here) when I awarded last years spot I tracked ratings from all of the events used. Very rarely did an AM make the list (Kaspereit comes to mind here) after the first round. Since this is a 1 event award this year I am requiring them to play pro (any level of pro) if they want a shot. I'm sure you would agree the top 10% of the ADV field has a 10% or less chance at winning it... so is the 3-5 players we are talking about worth the arguement?

another change this year is... NO MONEY WILL BE GIVEN TO THE WINNER FOR ENTRY!!!
Yep... you read this right. Due to COMPLAINTS last year from other Oklahoma Pro's who had qualified and had to pay their own entry, we will not be giving anything but the spot to the winner.

Cool, I guess that means if the winning Pro is unemployed and has no money maybe the spot will end up getting filtered down to an Am who has a "real" job.:o

I guess there is still hope for me yet.:D

I'm sure you would agree the top 10% of the ADV field has a 10% or less chance at winning it... so is the 3-5 players we are talking about worth the arguement?

You might want to aks them if they feel they are worth arguing about, they may have a different opinion.

AMS?

I agrree they have a minimal chance but should that be the only reason they are given no chance? If, in your opinion, there are only 3 to 5 that even have a remote chance, I see no harm in giving them a shot at it.
Do you?:cool:

If it is for Pros only, can we get a confirmation before the tournament that if they win they will go, if not count them out at the begining. This way a Pro doesn't have to worry about another pro's score, if they know they are not going. :p

We can go at this all day......................................;)

One Division. One Champion.

With that statement, then I shouldn't have been able to play, or Treat or Danielle ot Rotan or Watson or any Am that has either earned a spot or been given a spot.

Sounds like Joe has just decided to stop letting the �tourists� in.:D

You guys have brought up one of my pet peeves.... Personally, I think that all USDGC spots should be awarded solely to the Open division. All players may be playing the same course, but there is a vast mental difference between playing Open and playing Advanced or Pro Master. If you want a shot at the spot, then play Open! (that doesn't exclude anyone from the opportunity to win the spot; anyone can play in the open division)

Joe's decision is his to make, however the encouragement for players to move up to open pro status for this one event just to try for the spot enriches the pro field to the detriment of the lower divisions. :(
As all TD's know the pro players in an event are a lose lose proposition they get all of their entry money back as well as the added cash while the AM field is used to make up the difference through the wholesale to retail markup on the prize awards.
Anyone who doubts this can see the difference of payouts from the Centennial and AM jam events.
even if only 50% of the Advanced players were to jump shift divisions to open pro the resulting loss to the AM field would strain any event.

I know that this was not a deliberate effort to undermine the HCC but just a simple oversight on Joe's part.

But it is indeed a shame that the contest cannot be expanded to cover all entrants at all levels of rated play.Allowing the best player on that given course on that given weekend the dream shot at the USDGC.

It's not about the money.

If it is about the money, then every division that is eligible to win the spot should have the same entry fee and the same player's pack. And all those players should be playing for the same prize pool, so they feel the same pressures as everyone else.

It's not about the money, it's about a level playing field.

It's not fair that I have to worry about going home empty-handed, out my 75 dollar entry-fee, while some advanced player can be comfortable with his player pack and high probability of going home with more plastic for $65.

I see your point Adam. But there are still two sides of it, which neither really matter. The decision of the format has been made and announced. It is up to the Am player now.

But since you mentioned it, have you considered that maybe the spot should be awarded to the highest rated advanced or to the best advanced player through a series of events. I mean really, all the pros have had events all year long around the country that allow them to qualify. Just like your's in Emporia. Not that I would have qualified but orgianlly it was open to all pros for the 1st 90 spots, the A flight, then they moved the pro grands to the B flight to make more room for open, so no chance to even try.

Since the pros think it should be for their division only, how is it a State spot? I guess we should rename it to the Pro State spot. :cool:This State spot is the only chance the top advanced have in getting to USDGC. Maybe the only real chance they have thier whole lives.:confused:

Wasn't Paul playing sanctioned tournaments as advanced when he won it?

It's not for the Pro division only. What I'm saying is that the playing field should be level and that the playing field is more than just the course.

The idea that limiting the spot to the Open division excludes anyone is bogus! Everyone has the opportunity to sign up for the open division.

Any advanced player in the world has the exact same opportunity to qualify as I do. I have to put up the money to go to the tournaments and I have to take the time off work to go to the tournaments. There is no rule that says they can't do the same.

I however, do not have the liberty of playing in an age-protected or ratings-protected division!

(For the record, I'm fine with how Joe has decided to award the spot this year.)

There's nothing like going against the tradition of the last couple of years when the likes of Wise and some others have been allowed in without the need to qualify as a pro and if there were any extra remaining spots available it was more based on the need of who you know, what major tournaments you have ran, or what you have done for the PDGA lately.

All the sudden it's become more like a elitist country club deal where you have to do as they say and not do as they do.:cool:

I wonder if all pros get this face at the thought of an Am beatdown at a major tournament.:D

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It's not about the money.

If it is about the money, then every division that is eligible to win the spot should have the same entry fee and the same player's pack. And all those players should be playing for the same prize pool, so they feel the same pressures as everyone else.

It's not about the money, it's about a level playing field.

It's not fair that I have to worry about going home empty-handed, out my 75 dollar entry-fee, while some advanced player can be comfortable with his player pack and high probability of going home with more plastic for $65.

When you run or help run an event and are exposed to the event payout calculations you may gain a better understanding of what I said, until then you do not seem to understand the methods that go into making an event and the payouts that come from it.
I understand that as a professional player it is all about the money but the events are not a cash cow that spring from the fertile minds of the TD's they require money to put on and that money comes form the AM players who generally get back only a % of what they put in, because their $15 disc may only cost the event $8 it is the remaining $7 of that goes into the Pro added cash payouts mandated by the PDGA. Duh!
If a Pro only event is staged then outside funding must be had to meet the cash outlay IE NT events that are a real money looser for whoever puts them on if abundant (super abundant) sponsorship cannot be secured. I.E. why the NT at the lodge lost money and cost the Taylors a small fortune!:mad:

Martin,

I am aware of how much time and money TD's put into event. I'm also aware that the Pro side of an event is usually a net negative.

I am not trying to encourage players to move out of the division they are in. I'm not asking for more money for Pro's.

What I desire is a level playing field. I've seen many players who dominated the Advanced division crumble when playing Open. It's unfair for them to pay a lower entry fee and play in a division with much less pressure, but still have the same opportunity as me to win a USDGC spot.

Thats a great point Adam. Ususally Advanced players that smoke their field score a lot worse in open, at least initially. A lot of players (Dave Wise is a perfect example) game dramatically improves when they got a knife in someone and can twist it for a big lead. Thats not a bad thing at all, it just rarely happens in open. Thanks for offering the spot Joe. So currently we have Adam Hunt, Devon Owens, and Coda Hatfield qualified here in Tulsa correct? Amm I missing anyone?

Martin,

I am aware of how much time and money TD's put into event. I'm also aware that the Pro side of an event is usually a net negative.

I am not trying to encourage players to move out of the division they are in. I'm not asking for more money for Pro's.

What I desire is a level playing field. I've seen many players who dominated the Advanced division crumble when playing Open. It's unfair for them to pay a lower entry fee and play in a division with much less pressure, but still have the same opportunity as me to win a USDGC spot.
My comments are on the subject of forcing the AM players into the PRO bracket to the detriment of the event finances just to have a shot at the gold ticket to USDGC.
While I am not advocating a general lottery for the spot, although I bet you could raise enough cash to fund several "C" tier events from it, it is unfair to the event to entice players out of the AM ranks and into the Pro ranks for the weekend.
This is the point, Forest plans events based on the standard ratio of Pro to AM players and this move threatens to make a radical change in the player makeup thus screwing up the financial balance.

Martin,

I've seen many players who dominated the Advanced division crumble when playing Open. It's unfair for them to pay a lower entry fee and play in a division with much less pressure, but still have the same opportunity as me to win a USDGC spot.


Why are we talking about Dorries now?:eek:

Your entry fee difference isn't about the spot, thats is an entirely different subject and relates to pay out in each division. The spot is about the best score during the same rounds on the same course. You can't deny that. Why should my score mean any less because I started on hole 7 and not holes 1-2-3. If I shoot the hot score, I get the best rating, right? Works for the PDGA. But not for our pros that haven't been able to qualify all year.:p

I just don't buy the pros play under more pressure. I have felt more pressure as an Am than a Pro. Pressue is what you allow it to be. I also think a series iof events are better. It means the player has been good or the best over a period of time not 3 rounds on one weekend.


He11 even I can get hot for two rounds.:cool:

ROCK,....PAPER,.....SCISSORS

It's the only real way to settle this.:)

ROCK,....PAPER,.....SCISSORS

It's the only real way to settle this.:)

Lotto!:)
$2 ticket 6 for $10
bet we could fund the whole state from that!

Thanks for all the support and encouraging things you have to say Wise. I'm sure I will only get better as I continue in my discing days. I can sense the bit of jealousy when it is taking you katanas to get to where my Rocs can go :)

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That's funny Paul but in reality us old people tend to take the high road of "Easy Street" while you young guys are out there wasting away your youthful years taking the other route.:)

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Jealous of you? Hardly............................................ .and you can only hope you can still or will be still playing at my age. As soon ans you settle down with a mail order bride your discing days will be all but over until you hit the masters division.

Its not my fault only one in your crew has qualified.

Which one are you by the way?
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the only thing u got right about ur post is the fact that yea, i am kind of a ****** bag.

wise youre the one that seems to have an obsession with giving me a hard time, i play too slow, im weak under pressure, im the worst in my "crew" ... i can only assume you are overcompensating for something you are lacking OR you are just jealous of pretty much everything about me. I must say I can't blame you, I'm pretty awesome.

Just to clarify a few things here...

The STATE spot is awarded to the STATE COORDINATOR for their work with the PDGA. Most STATE spots are filled by the COORDINATORS. OKLAHOMA has been lucky and blessed in the fact that it's STATE COORDINATOR has always qualified in one way or another. KEVIN McCOY always qualified so he came up with ways to give it away. He offered it to Mitch Mac for 2 years (he turned it down) so he gave it to the winner of the OK STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS and when those folks couldn't pay he awarded it to the first person with $230 on hand (YO!!! MC!!! nice showings my friend). When I got it I also chose to give it away since my investment in the event offers me a spot. The first year I offered it to Mitch Mac and he again declined the spot due to family health reasons so it was awarded at the OK STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS. 2nd year I chose to give it away in a SERIES of events... but got told it was stupid to make PRO's play 5 events... furthermore I got flak for AWARDING entry fee for the winner from our very own OPEN players. Once again...most regular STATE / INTERNATIONAL players don't have this opportunity to get in to the event.

The reason I chose OPEN, is because it applies the same amount of pressure as an event of the USDGC's caliber. On AM cards, things like speed of play, foot faults, etc...are often disregarded. Where on an OPEN card when all the money is on the line, the rules are passionately enforced. It also puts a player in a likewise situation of the USDGC.

Martin seems to imply that Wayne Forest only runs events for the $$$ he can make on the AM's. While we see this tradition often in discgolf... Wayne is not one of the culprits. If Wayne was worried about $$$ he would not be giving away 30+ CE Discs at his event... he would be selling them on eBay and pay his bills for the next 2 months. Wayne is a PROMOTER of the sport FIRST and foremost... check his track record. In fact when I spoke to Wayne he said "I would be honored to have the spot given away at Haikey. I'm happy to help, it's another perk to my event and hopefully will help with pre reg". If Wayne wasn't at INDY he would have announced it himself... with the same rules.

What I do find ironic is that most of the people complaining on this board will not be involved in the event. Just as when the PDGA came here for an open house forum based on our negative posts, nobody showed up, but we are always happy to type our banter on the board, thinking it has no real impact or outcome. In reality...AM's will not flock to OPEN to compete for the spot, and OPEN players interested in the spot will not flock to the AM division. Playing in the USDGC is an investment in your disc golf history and resume. The player that qualifies must be prepared to pay their $230 entry fee within 30 days of the event, and plan for a minimum of $1200 in travel expenses.

That's how I choose to give away my spot!

Atta boy. We are lucky to have a solid amdassador like the Twisted Rotan. He has always had the best interest of discgolf in his heart. He also has worked hard to get where he is. The dude drives to Tulsa from OKC for a meeting to enhance discgolf. That's solid. He has also partnered a a huge level with the Jeremy Martin Memorial beacuse he cares, not for the $. I thank you for your dedication to our sport. The spot is for tbe taking. A true Open championship. Pretty Cool if ya ask me. Stay Twisted!

This spot is Joe's, period no further discussion required. He has ALWAYS handled this with total class and with the best interest of you the players in mind.

Saying you have to play pro to qualify is so not a big deal. Pro's play different. They interact differently and it is tangible.

I have attended USDGC the last two years. And honestly I plan on going every year if at all possible. The event and experience is awesome. To play is a major commitment from a time and financial perspective. But in my opinion it is well worth it to see THAT level of disc golf and competition.

Bottom line if any of you solid advanced players want to take a shot, I really encourage you to do so. You can qualify and still keep your Am status. Not sure why you would unless you're planning on playing Worlds, which this year isn't many people from this area.

Wayne isn't going to suffer any from the few Am's that might play Pro now.

Bottom line you should all be estatic you can qualify for frikkin USDGC on a local course without having to beat Nikko, Feldberg, "The Champ", or Devan, Coda or Hunt.

Count your blessings and get ready for Haikey!!!!

Good point Mike. Also, I agree with Joe's assessment of playing on the pro card, where things are watched a little closer. However at Haikey, I just don't see how this could happen, maybe at Black Hawk. At haikey every hole will be visible by other cards.

I still don't agree with the Pros thinking they have more pressure or that they are entitled to something.

You all just need to be thankfull it is even up for grabs. If I were the State Cord. I'd be going and selling Josh my tag.:p

Dorries, I'm glad we can agree on something.:cool:

Which one of the crew is going to caddy for Adam this year?

Oh and Joe, we can biatch all we want, You just don't have to listen.:rolleyes:
I didn't see anything in the membership package that prevents me from it.
But you know me, I just don't sit around and biatch all the time (most of the time, Okay but not all the time). every now and then I will do something from time to time. You also would have to agree, I'm not one to just go off on the board, then go quiet in public. If I said it here, I'll say to their face.

Right or wrong, I'm entiltled to my opinion. That may be the only thing in this life I am entitled to;)
other than paying taxes so everyone can have health insurance or never ending unemployement benefits.:eek:

Either way it will be a great tournament and someone is going to Rock Hill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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What I do find ironic is that most of the people complaining on this board will not be involved in the event. Just as when the PDGA came here for an open house forum based on our negative posts, nobody showed up, but we are always happy to type our banter on the board, thinking it has no real impact or outcome.QUOTE]

Well with all due respect concerning this remark, people shouldn't have to be required to drive 45 miles out into the country just to voice their opinion to the PDGA. If people have problems or complaints I would think they should be able to bring them to you since you're the state rep.

And if it shows up here on the board then at least it's in front of you and not being spread behind your back. It's up to you whether you decide to respond or ignore it.

My comment earlier was more directed at the "Sponsorship Exemption" that Wise got in on.

I respect you and I respect your decision considering it's your spot but I agree with Wise. It seems like you're assuming that pressure on the top card of Advanced is different than the top card of the pros and advanced are more likely to not follow the rules. It just appears to back up the "us vs them" concept.

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Not for the entry part of it, just the fact if you plan on winning the spot, you'll be up against way better players in Rock Hill than it took to get the spot at Haikey. Might as well prepare yourself.

Sorry FurDog, once you agreed with me, I knew I was dead wrong.:cool:

wow u agree! edit post

Lets all hold hands and throw softies and gather round campfire with guitars, hacky sacks, and pass the pipe just like the good ole days, am i right?

The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Not for the entry part of it, just the fact if you plan on winning the spot, you'll be up against way better players in Rock Hill than it took to get the spot at Haikey. Might as well prepare yourself.

Sorry FurDog, once you agreed with me, I knew I was dead wrong.:cool:

Well that�s all good and fine Dave. I�m sure had we been on the Titanic you would have been the first man to jump ship into a life boat with the women and children also. After all, you are one of "them".:rolleyes:

Tell me, at the USDGC do they group all the �Sponsorship Exemption players� together into one separate flight or did they mix you in with the good players? Did you have to take �etiquette�, pressure management, or anger management lessons before they allowed you on the course? How about a polygraph to see if you�re inclined to cheat when nobody is looking? Did they check anyone for performance enhancing drugs?:confused:

I guess it is best that Joe is doing it this way because whatever Pro or advanced player that moves up and gets the spot can take pride in knowing that he earned it and didn�t have to do whatever you did to get it.:p

Tell me, at the USDGC do they group all the �Sponsorship Exemption players� together into one separate flight or did they mix you in with the good players? Did you have to take �etiquette�, pressure management, or anger management lessons before they allowed you on the course? How about a polygraph to see if you�re inclined to cheat when nobody is looking? Did they check anyone for performance enhancing drugs?:confused:

I guess it is best that Joe is doing it this way because whatever Pro or advanced player that moves up and gets the spot can take pride in knowing that he earned it and didn�t have to do whatever you did to get it.:p

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that should answer your questions.



Yes, Paul it is amazing sometimes. I was begining to question it but Scott trying to agree with has assured me that I was wrong. That's always the real test of an opinion.:cool:

Go ahead,...tourist,....wave at the camera and say cheese!!!!:p

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Face it. This is the probably the real reason you jumped ship.

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Because your basketball coach called you and threatened to kick you off the team!!!!:eek:

Key evidence being your stated Disc Goal to "Attend the USDGC AGAIN!!!!".

I guess it's must be hard to get that "Free ticket" on a "Sponsorship Exemption" when you're biting the hand that could be offering it to you!!!:rolleyes:

You should just change your name to "horse" because everywhere you go you get "ridden".:D

When it comes to the USDGC you need to remember that you're just a tourist and have yet to qualify on your own merit and just because you can pay your way into the swimming pool doesn't mean you deserve to swim with the dolphins.

Letting you in is no different than letting this guy in.

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All you're going to do is take a big dump, clog the toliet, and ruin it for those the come behind you.:p

so when i play pro and win do i get to sell the spot to one of the scrubs i beat? :)

Face it, I don't care how I got there. I got to experience it. Even if only one time, USDGC is the crown jewel of disc golf. There are many great courses, tournaments and cities to play in but there is only ONE Rock Hill. Now I can tell the new youngsters, "Yep, I played in the bigs once" then it was back to the AA league, but I was there.

I'm sure you noticed the other goal of the Japan Open this year.:( Well, with Obamanomics that is still a goal. Maybe 2012.:cool:

I have no shame in how I got a spot. Never will.

I have no shame in how I got a spot. Never will.

all this agreeing with Wise is getting kind of weird, but any trip to USDGC is truly an experience, one that I would also take however afforded the opportunity.

I have no shame in how I got a spot. Never will.

All you new youngsters take note. Life is not about working hard to qualify for a spot. All you have to have is a pair of these....:rolleyes:

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It reminds me of back in the day before the internet where people would camp out to be the first in line to buy tickets to a concert only to find out when they got to the window that the front row had already been pre-sold to some lacky.

Even in "THE BIGS" you have to show some type of consistant talent in order to be "called up".

The fact that you got in the way you did discredits the event somewhat in the fact it's no longer the best of the best, but rather a competition of some good players mixed in with some sub-standard coatail riders. Is this the route America should take when we determine who should represent us at the Olympics? Hell no, Why would anyone want to pay to see that???

I respect the Tulsa boys that traveled on their own dime just to try and qualify. And at least Dorries "earned" his spot last year so if you want to do something good to promote disc golf, direct those new youngsters to Dorries, Adam Hunt, or Josh Crowl. Listening to you will just stunt their growth.:cool:

Are you writing this down???....This is some of my best stuff and I don' have to be like you and sell this because this stuff sells itself.

I don't know about you but it's sunny where I'm at. I guess it must be raining where you're at eh?:D