Since the Boss has come out I haven't had any desire to touch a Destroyer. That being said, some people disagree with me. Avery Jenkins told my friend at the Player's Cup to forget the Boss and stick with the Destroyer and Xcal. What do you guys think?

The boss is garbage ... I recently took the 2 I had I just threw them in the woods.

What's up with the times on the MB? I started this poll at 9:06 and specified for it to start immediately. Now its not going to let anyone vote until 5:06? When I view the equipment forum everybody's posts list the time posted as 8 hours ahead of present time. It has been like this since the website changed.

The boss is garbage ... I recently took the 2 I had I just threw them in the woods.



Did you hit your target? If they were really garbage it might have taken 2 or 3 throws to get to the woods... ;)

The boss is garbage ... I recently took the 2 I had I just threw them in the woods.



Did you hit your target? If they were really garbage it might have taken 2 or 3 throws to get to the woods... ;)



The thing with the Boss is I'll have a tremendous shot with it and then it gets all squirrely the next time. I prefer the Force for more consistency.

How do the Boss and Force compare stability-wise...HSS & LSS?

How do the Boss and Force compare stability-wise...HSS & LSS?


I know the force and the X-Cal are very simalar so if you know what the boss and x-cal are like then you will have your answer :D

I have to agree with discspeed. The Boss obsoleted the Destroyer after my first 2 field throws.

I don't think you can compare a "Boss" to a "Force". Maybe an average Boss to an average Force. I have Forces that are like Xcalibers and like flippy Destroyers. IMO an average Force is like an average Destroyer, but the most overstable Forces are more overstable than the most overstable Destroyers. An average Boss is like a faster Wraith, but again they can be overstable or understable as well.

Nothing compares to the Boss's speed and glide. I think MOST who prefer Destroyers or Forces just have just not thrown the right Boss yet.

Nothing compares to the Boss's speed and glide. I think MOST who prefer Destroyers or Forces just have just not thrown the right Boss yet.



The key words here are "have just not thrown the right Boss yet". My question is, How many do you have to buy and throw to get the right one? I have thrown 2 and both were good on one shot then squirrley the next. Very unpredictable. While I like the way they fly, when they fly good, the unpredictable nature makes me hesitant to replace the destroyers in my bag.

I have 7, and 3 different one's in the bag (overstable, perfect, and understable). Player's packs and winnings accounted for 5 of them though.

Just me, but I have both Boss's and Destroyers in my bag and I find myself throwing the Boss's more and more often. It does seem the lighter Boss is more squirrelly than the Destroyer, however I have out thrown my Destroyers with Boss's almost everytime. By the way, I have several Destroyers that are every bit as undependable as the Boss's can be. So if the disc is undependable, why throw it? The answer is that you have to fine tune your throwing to get a Boss to work properly. Snap a Boss too hard and it will turn if you don't start with enough hyzer (true for lighter Boss, not so for heavier Boss). It seems to me that stability is directly proportional to weight. I have a 175 Destroyer that will just about turn into a roller with the slightest of snap. Really I think the big thing about a Boss is that it will more easily exaggerate your throw. So while a more stable disc will tend to forgive a slight anhyzer, a light Boss will not.

I for one remember being frustrated by the "squirreliness" of the Destroyer when it first came out. I would get some shots that were the best I've ever seen, but then I would suffer boughts of slight wrist roll or weak follow-thru and watch the disc bail out left or right. With a Teebird slight wrist roll or weak follow thru results in shots that go slightly left or slightly right, but with the faster discs it is much more exaggerated. After I was frustrated with the Destroyers (and ignorant of the nature of fast discs), I switched to the Force. I liked that I could lean on the stability and on my strongest days I was booming it. After some time I realized that it was hard to get consistent max D with something that stable b/c on days where I was a little less than 100% (like in the 4th round of a tournament) the disc would work right. I found myself buying light Forces and bending them up. Basically, I was looking for something "more squirrely" to get more/easier D, despite the fact that that was what I was trying to get away from in the first place.

Anyway, I went back to Destroyers and found that if I kept throwing the same one, sooner or later I would get used to it and my percentages of good drives would start increasing. When the Boss came out I was excited b/c it was working for me right away at least as well as my Destroyers, and I knew I would only get better with it. I have been throwing the same one now for over a month and it is my best distance driver ever. I hardly ever turn it over completely or stall it out into early fade. It just takes a little time to dial in these bastains of potential energy.

All i have to say is i think both of these disc's are garbage!!!!
unless you have the right wind, i wouldnt throw either one of them! and with that "right" wind, you could probably throw a xcal or tbird the same! theres not a lot of holes to throw either one of those discs. the only reason i ever throw either of those discs is for long drive competitions anyway! the excal is a much superior disc is a lot of ways. you can throw an excal into any wind and get what you want. the boss and destroyer are way to squirrely into a head wind and i wouldnt suggest anyone who throws with significant power to throw either of these discs!!!!!! a nicely beat in xcal flies just like a destroyer but waaaaaay further! and a new excal flies like.....
um.....oh yeah it flies like nothing else!!!! throw an excal in your bag and it will be super stable at first but keep throwing it and you will have a jewel!!!!

I love the Boss, yes i had to learn it, but the shere Glide and ability to stay up in the air longer than any other disc is my reason alone for throwing it. The boss thrown hard and low "hoverd" about 4FT off the ground and flew stable for about 415 Ft. it was crazy. No other disc has this speed and glide..it is opening new disc lines for my home course. I throw it consistantly and all of my Boss's act just like i need them to.

I think the dilema of one disc obsoleting another disc is nothing new. When the orc came out (or even the beast for that matter) I nearly stopped throwing the Valk all together. People will still find a way to throw the discs they like, so even of the boss is "better" than the destroyer for what it does, it doesn't mean people will stop throwing destroyers.

I feel there is a gap between speed 8/9 and speed 10/11 discs. speed eight/nine discs (eagle, teebird, firebird) seem to have a niche that people won't soon lose. But speed nine and ten discs (beast, orc, valk, viking) seem to be loosing there appeal.

IDK, just my thoughts.
Dion

I use the discs for different purposes; this summer as I began playing tournaments for the 1st time regularly, I used the X-Cal for forehand, and that is what I have used the Boss for as well; for me they are the best forehand discs.

I use the destroyer for backhand distance, but for some reason I end up going back to my pro-line Orc's or pro Wraith's and do just as well for D & Accuracy. (maybe it's because their rims suite my smaller hands - insert joke here ;)

To me these are not the same, maybe the same distance but each have there uses. I also have a pair of wraiths that I use also depending on the shot and distance. If you like extremely long hysers get a domey boss!

All i have to say is i think both of these disc's are garbage!!!!
unless you have the right wind, i wouldnt throw either one of them! and with that "right" wind, you could probably throw a xcal or tbird the same! theres not a lot of holes to throw either one of those discs. the only reason i ever throw either of those discs is for long drive competitions anyway! the excal is a much superior disc is a lot of ways. you can throw an excal into any wind and get what you want. the boss and destroyer are way to squirrely into a head wind and i wouldnt suggest anyone who throws with significant power to throw either of these discs!!!!!! a nicely beat in xcal flies just like a destroyer but waaaaaay further! and a new excal flies like.....
um.....oh yeah it flies like nothing else!!!! throw an excal in your bag and it will be super stable at first but keep throwing it and you will have a jewel!!!!



I don't dispute that this is how things work out for you, but I doubt many other people would find similar results. I bet you throw the heck out of a disc and rely on stability/lower speed to tame your snap. Some call the Boss flippy, but I really doubt there are too many posting here that have a clean release and still overpower a 175+ domey Boss backhand. 450' is about as far as I can get with any consistency and control and I can throw my Boss as hard as I can flat and if there is no wind it will flip out just a little and come back. If there is a little headwind I add a little hyzer, exact same result. I would throw an Xcal if there was a 10mph + headwind and dire consequences for flipping too much, but that's about it.

All i have to say is i think both of these disc's are garbage!!!!
unless you have the right wind, i wouldnt throw either one of them! and with that "right" wind, you could probably throw a xcal or tbird the same! theres not a lot of holes to throw either one of those discs. the only reason i ever throw either of those discs is for long drive competitions anyway! the excal is a much superior disc is a lot of ways. you can throw an excal into any wind and get what you want. the boss and destroyer are way to squirrely into a head wind and i wouldnt suggest anyone who throws with significant power to throw either of these discs!!!!!! a nicely beat in xcal flies just like a destroyer but waaaaaay further! and a new excal flies like.....
um.....oh yeah it flies like nothing else!!!! throw an excal in your bag and it will be super stable at first but keep throwing it and you will have a jewel!!!!



I don't dispute that this is how things work out for you, but I doubt many other people would find similar results. I bet you throw the heck out of a disc and rely on stability/lower speed to tame your snap. Some call the Boss flippy, but I really doubt there are too many posting here that have a clean release and still overpower a 175+ domey Boss backhand. 450' is about as far as I can get with any consistency and control and I can throw my Boss as hard as I can flat and if there is no wind it will flip out just a little and come back. If there is a little headwind I add a little hyzer, exact same result. I would throw an Xcal if there was a 10mph + headwind and dire consequences for flipping too much, but that's about it.



Thats what i was saying. for me, they dont work well! i play in texas and its constantly windy! and i cant afford to have discs that flip into a head wind. the boss is a very good distance disc!!! i will definately not deny that! but thats only for a left to right wind or a tail and slightly right to left wind! i think for all wind conditions the xcal performs much better. i carry 3 excals 2 wraiths 1 teebird 1 roller disc 1 leopard and 2 max's and the rest is roc's and putters(about 5 a piece) so i really dont have room in the bag for 2 destroyers and 2 boss's, especially since i have discs in my bag that will do the exact same thing and much much more! destroyers and boss's just arent versatile enough for me. you have to carry a brand new one at all times and thats just not fesible for me. i have plenty of extras but why switch out discs every 2 or 3 weeks when i can achieve the same thing with the xcal and i only have to switch every 2-3 months??? to answer your question i do throw with a lot of snap and torque but i dont have any gaps in my bag. i have every disc for every shot i intend on throwing. anything 450+ is either a wraith or an xcal. inside 450 is either a tbird or leopard or roller. under 375 is a roc. i understand why innova does it! they are a business and are trying to make money. if youve never thrown either one of these disc's give them a try, you might enjoy them. but you should also try an xcal too!!!

If not to replace the XC, what about the Wraith?

There's a mold out there for everyone. You just have to find one that works for your particular spin:speed ratio. I remember watching Stokely *make* a Stratus fly just as overstable as an X-Clone. :D

Mike, when i was unpacking i found a mini of yours. I think the PepperTee must have thrown it in my suitcase.

There's a mold out there for everyone. You just have to find one that works for your particular spin:speed ratio. I remember watching Stokely *make* a Stratus fly just as overstable as an X-Clone. :D

Mike, when i was unpacking i found a mini of yours. I think the PepperTee must have thrown it in my suitcase.



I guess the mini was not too lucky for him! ;) I'm sure I'll meet you in the flesh one of these days, you can keep it until then. Or give it to someone who needs it...

If not to replace the XC, what about the Wraith?



if you're asking why carry a wraith if the excal does it all. the answer is simple. do i want it to finish to the right or left! :D
my-hero said it perfectly it just depends on the amount of spin you generate.

my-hero is one of the most solid golfers i know, and the best lesson he's ever given me is simple. the more spin you put on the disc, the longer the disc will hold its original line you put it on! but with that lesson ive learned to throw farther with more stable disc's. unfortunately ive not learned how to make the more understable stuff stay hyser!

but dont worry hero i will be there one day!!!!!! :D

and when i am, i might be able to hang with you big boys!!!!!!

illusion

they look like the old "Gateway infernos" to me.

they look like the old "Gateway infernos" to me.



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For my son, the Boss is without a doubt the longest disc (at low altitudes anyway) available at this time. The key is in the glide at the end of the flight - that's where you get the extra 50 feet. He literally replaced his destroyers with them.

For me, I can't throw it. Too much of a noodle arm.

OK Big Wig, for us normal players whom don't worry about altitude. Does it go far...LOL, and that glide, is that that distance after 100ft...LOL

If the Lil Wiggs say's BOSS, then Boss is where it's at. For those that have Gliding potiental, unlike Wyatt and I

Happy Holidays brother, Raleigh Winter Jam coming soon, Robert said there may be a dress code, A player must remain dressed at all times in an appropiate manner...LOL ;)

i just bought one of the test star destroyers and i will let you guys know how it flies! i dont like the destroyer but maybe i will like the destroyer x!

Happy holidays Rocky!!! Dress code??? You know I have one of those fake collars to wear under a sweater. I think the PDGA stipulates collars. Maybe that will suffice ;-) ;)

I have a thong with a collar...LOL :D

I live in west tx were the wind is normally blowing at 15-20 mph on any given day with the 30 mph wind gusts occasionally. When thrown the right way into a head wind, it soars farther and faster then either of my destroyers. Though it was not a instant hit with me. It took some work for me to be able to do that. I would recommend throwing it forehand if you are not getting it out there backhanded...

The second run boss is much more stable than the first run. Individuals who are looking for more stability should stick with the second run. The first run seems to have more glide but can be turned over if thrown hard enough. I use the destroyer for big flex shots and currently have both discs in the bag.

Its interesting that after the first few weeks I set this poll up the Destroyer had a decided advantage, but with time the Boss has overtaken it. BTW I can't to see what a slightly lighter Star Boss will fly like...