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Maybe if you'd included something about nearly naked women avatars which help create an atmosphere hostile to women PDGA members, *it* would have won? I still can't believe that the PDGA moderators don't have the c*j*nes (or concern about women members) to change that behavior. Luckily, it's clear evidence "up front" (so to speak) that posts with such avatars are never to be taken seriously.

hmmm... guess i need to update my profile so i can see the avata-tas

some have gotten probed for using creative spellings and characters to get around message board censoring functions. THC would never do that of course, so there must be some other reason to use the little *s.

that is implied profanity mods take care of this please, my ears hurt

What a surprise. Not a month goes by without another attack against the moderators from Terry Calhoun because the current standards of the PDGA DISCussion Board differ from when Terry was Communications Director in 2005.

Since that time we've had about 8 different moderators, two different Communications Directors (Steve Dodge & Peter Shive) two different Executive Directors (Brian Hoeniger & Brian Graham) and more than a dozen different Board of Directors members who have all had input as well as oversight of the message board, and *none* of them have ever indicated that our standards on avatars "create an atmosphere hostile to women PDGA members." Seems like if it was even remotely an issue, wouldn't someone else have spoken up about it? :confused:

without hyperbole the vacuous nature of his posts would be blatant, instead of just slightly masked.

Why does the PDGA have such a high turnover? Aren't there incentives that could bee put in place to keep good quality employees/volunteers workin' for the org?

i was looking for, but couldn't find, the Big Bambu rolling paper ad given the thread title... :confused:

sure it's a stereotype, but may as well 'roll' with it... (ouch) :p

GURU....thanks for all of the years of hard work. It was back in 1996 that you let me stay in your backyard for the Toronto FLying Disc champiosnships. I remember you trying to decide whether to go to Africa or work for the PDGA.

Really just wanted to say thanks for letting me stay at your house and thanks for all of the work that you have done for the PDGA. It's been one of the best things in my life to play tournamenst and meet great people.

the sport would be better off if people, especially PDGA people, loved the sport more and the association less.

BDH complains about the hard work. how many disc golfers have been laid off this year? how many have jobs where they are doing double duty because their friends and colleagues got laid off. "leaders" have the audacity talk like the players owe them something. thats a load of nonsense. these "leaders" get paid pretty darn good money for what they Do.

sometimes they get paid pretty darn good money for what they Don't. exhibit A: the association's performance over the last year. horrible communications with HQ. late TD packages. the magazine meltdown. the website meltdown. worlds that still have not been paid for. on and on and on.

anyone getting paid by the PDGA is getting paid by disc golfers everywhere. anyone getting paid by the association who dares complain about it ought to be banished from the game.

do you realize you have what many players consider a dream job? geez, 99.999% of the courses out there dont have a paid position to maintain them! but we the members from all around the world pay for one in georgia! for management types, the ED job pays pretty good, and gets regular raises. its makes about what a manager of a decent sized department makes - which is basically what the job is. same is true for every other position we have. being in disc golf does not make those jobs harder somehow. if anything its the opposite. and given the apparent lack of concern for performance standards, i'd guess it may make things a tad easier.

yes, i know that we had a new ED. but the missing fact is that BDH was paid a substantial money to help with the transition and to make sure the association worked well during the transitory time. the transitory period was a disaster. the money was paid to make a smooth tranisition was a complete and total waste. the sad thing is that we are still paying that money today. and i'd be willing to be that BDH got an increase in 2009. listening to association "leaders" is no different from listening to any other leader. they tell you what they want you to hear, they make themselves sound like angels, they spin it like they can do no wrong.

the org was never run better than when it was run from brian and lorrie's closet or garage or whatever it was... since then the org has had a substantial case of "it's eyes being bigger than it's stomach" as my mom used to say when i would put more food on my plate than i could eat.

"the org was never run better than when it was run from brian and lorrie's closet or garage"

i agree with that 100%. it was actually run well back then, by lorrie and brian.

re communication, the e-newsletter was turned over tho the office staff. if you believe it is "key", and would like to see it return, call HQ.

what did i do? got the financials released, at least for one year; helped get the mag optional passed; fought and mostly won the battle for fairness during the tech standards; was part of the ED selection committee.

not all contributions are in the form of "programs" - mine are more "aspects", i suppose. as far as sustainable, all of it is sustainable at the whim of the BoD. nothing/noone is irreplacable.

Let me clarify further so that I dont always as opposed to usually sound like a defender of PDGA.

Responsibility for what has happened with the mag this year lies foremost with the mag. Call it overambition, call it what you will, the publisher has fallen way short of promises in relatively little time and has let the PDGA down badly. Put yourself in Addie's shoes for a moment, how many extra emails has she received from the member/customers because they are wondering where their mag(s) is/are? It's a pretty scary thought ... and yet its not her fault at all ...

Re communication, while HQ has done a solid job of posting more frequent news, stories, and member relevant info on the website cover page, I only wish they would send out 1. more e-newsletters that contain 2. more than the standard ("its time to renew!") stuff. Especially in the absence of the magazine. If there is 1 key mistake theyve made Id say thats it.

At the same time part of HQs challenge is with growth of the system and the org itself. 992 sanctioned events in 2008, in my last full year (2006) it was 732. Thats a huge increase no matter how you slice it.

Pat, here's a challenge to you. Name 10 things that the PDGA does well or that are positive, could be their co-management of Worlds, could be the Innovation Grants Program, and give us 1 reason for each why you think this is so. If you can show that you have this more positive side of understanding/recognizing PDGA in you then I will give you due credit and cease my confrontational rhetoric towards you for the time being.

Thx.



not taking sides or fanning flames... just seeking clarification on some things...

about Addie... I totally agree. I can't imagine how much worse her job has been this year with all of this mess going on... yet if you call or email you are still greeted with a kind hello. Addie indeed rocks!! Where I think the PDGA may have fallen short is in its dealings w/ the mag and not holding them accountable. I also think the PDGA as a whole dropped the ball on making a clear cut decision on how to handle the issues with the magazine to best represent its members interests and look out for Addie's well being. Had they done this it may have helped Addie out a lot with things and shown the members that something is being done.

on your final note you mention the org dealing with more of a work load "992 sanctioned events in 2008, in my last full year (2006) it was 732" ... help me if i'm wrong here but wouldn't this mean more income for the org ... thus the ability to hire additional help if needed? Anyone (who might have a better idea how much a 'normal' tourney brings the PDGA in $) that can do the math on how much 260 events would bring in (and i would imagine you could multiply that times 2 since there were 2 years worth of events in there). My rudimentary math should have $50K+ in growth from these tournies.

exhibit A: the association's performance over the last year. horrible communications with HQ. late TD packages. the magazine meltdown. the website meltdown. worlds that still have not been paid for. on and on and on.


It was a tough time, but we have a new board now.

best one I saw today.

Tom's of Maine natural toothpaste.

Hint.

If the last board didn't have to clean up so much from the previous one, they probably could have done soooo much more.
Glad you could contribute thc

exhibit A: the association's performance over the last year. horrible communications with HQ. late TD packages. the magazine meltdown. the website meltdown. worlds that still have not been paid for. on and on and on.


It was a tough time, but we have a new board now.

i dunno about when you were on the BoD, but when i was on it, we set policy and the Staff handled day to day ops. unless the new BoD is now doing day to day work, i'd say that nothing has changed - including your apparent need to blame me for the mess that is currently the PDGA.

relevant maybe?...

Tidy Cat kitty litter ad

I would have to say my favorite is the PDGA banner that has a picture of my girl. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

What a surprise. Not a month goes by without another attack against the moderators from Terry Calhoun because the current standards of the PDGA DISCussion Board differ from when Terry was Communications Director in 2005.



If I posted a statement like that about LaGrassa, it would be instantly deleted and I would be suspended for another year.

Nice to see the unbiased and even-handedness of current MB moderation is still going strong. :p

rhett, be careful. we do not use a standard or stable definition of personal attack anymore. its entirely up to the moderator. staff and favorites have posted far more direct attacks (by definition) than the one you quoted and have been blessed upon review. if you're the unlucky one, you'll get reported while we're using real definitions to support moderating decisions.

I am all for the random ads on the PDGA site, and understand how after 2-3 years these ads will have paid for our new site. But I really don't want to pull up the website and see some girls giggling fat stomach.

i'd like to know how they know my zip code. i'm on my office computer not in my home zip.

Did you supply the PDGA with your work zip or your home zip? One would have to consider that the info you gave the PDGA is now proprietary. If one owns something then one could do as they please. ;)

i gave them my home zip. i dont even know my work zip. i suppose that an ad could be getting the zip from a non-pdga cookie, but that seems odd. the ED swears they have not shared or given any access any data with the ad placement group.

i'd post the email, but the last time i posted an excerpt of an email from the ED of OUR ASSOCIATION thew ED threatened me Disciplinary Committee action. so you'll have to take my word for it that the ED says we dont share or provide access to data with the ad folks.

which leaves the question of how they know my home zip code a bit of an open question. i have received no indication that the office or our IT folks are looking into how this data is finding its way into an online ad.

with most sites one could consult the Privacy Policy, but we dont have one. i've asked the office about that, but have yet to receive an acknowledgement that they even received my email.

i gave them my home zip. i dont even know my work zip. i suppose that an ad could be getting the zip from a non-pdga cookie, but that seems odd. the ED swears they have not shared or given any access any data with the ad placement group.

i'd post the email, but the last time i posted an excerpt of an email from the ED of OUR ASSOCIATION thew ED threatened me Disciplinary Committee action. so you'll have to take my word for it that the ED says we dont share or provide access to data with the ad folks.

which leaves the question of how they know my home zip code a bit of an open question. i have received no indication that the office or our IT folks are looking into how this data is finding its way into an online ad.

with most sites one could consult the Privacy Policy, but we dont have one. i've asked the office about that, but have yet to receive an acknowledgement that they even received my email.



haven't done much research into the PDGA ads in particular but things like this usually pull info from your IP address so wherever you go the info should/would be relevant.

It's also possible that the data is gleaned from other sites that you have subscribed to that use the same ad services. For example , your home zip could be determined by your starting address for a map service (google maps, map quest, etc.) that shares that data.

which leaves the question of how they know my home zip code a bit of an open question.



They are watching you...at all times.


i've asked the office about that, but have yet to receive an acknowledgement that they even received my email.



So much for that improved customer service.

stack, yeah the IP cvan yield the zip, but my IP is in Dallas where i work, not Arlington where i live. the ads are showing arlington zip code.

krupi, thats a good idea. i'm still hoping to hear a for-sure explanation from the office though.

hawk, a 3-5% improvement in customer service is the industry standard, doncha know? :)

stack, yeah the IP cvan yield the zip, but my IP is in Dallas where i work, not Arlington where i live. the ads are showing arlington zip code.

krupi, thats a good idea. i'm still hoping to hear a for-sure explanation from the office though.

hawk, a 3-5% improvement in customer service is the industry standard, doncha know? :)



My zip code is wrong.

It shows the zip code that matches the local Comcast office that is on my cable modem bill.

Mine just shows a default zip for downtown Minneapolis about 15 miles away.

i'm not suggesting anything is amiss. i'd just like to know why/how. the ip address locators tell me its dallas. the ad says arlington. if the whole thing truly is ip based thats fine, then i'll be curious about how i got an arlington ip :)

I get automatic zip ID in search engines all the time. If I search a reatiler like Best Buy, the first entry is usually a yellow pages listing for the closest one.

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Here's some timely info from the top of the bored this morning...

I wonder if they (http://tutoring.sylvanlearning.com/special-offers/reading-2.cfm?utm_source=fulltango&utm_medium=display&utm_ content=F08&utm_campaign=reading&CFID=7344238&CFTO KEN=43802288) do any work with anger management?

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Does this refer to this??? (http://discussion.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=649450&an=0&page=7#Post6 49450)

Maybe if you'd included something about nearly naked women avatars



This sounds like a request for fully nude avatars. Hottub...you rebel!

There was a great Jerry Lewis movie in the 60s that had a woman who watched T.V. constantly and bought everything she saw advertised. I'm thinking this is a good way to spend my time going forward. I'm not going to read the posts here as much as watch the ads and make purchases. Today it's an Underarmour Bra, size triple D. Where should I send it Hawk?

Today it is the remove wrinkles add. Yes, you too can look 10, 20 30, 40 even 50 years younger. I'm convinced, this will also help me play 30 years younger. I'm gonna whoop up on those young punks after this treatment!

Has anyone else seen these on the PDGA site? There was one on the homepage just now. There are banner ads suggesting that I change my faith. I think that is quite ridiculous.

With AdBlocker Plus I never see these things. I guess I'm just missing out.

i'm not suggesting anything is amiss. i'd just like to know why/how. the ip address locators tell me its dallas. the ad says arlington. if the whole thing truly is ip based thats fine, then i'll be curious about how i got an arlington ip :)

The identify your Internet Service Provider's ZIP code by the static IP range your ISP was given. Therefore, if you have DSL, the ZIP that shows in ads would be whatever ZIP your DSL provider (ie AT&T) is in. Sometimes it's the same zip, sometimes it's miles away. Here at my home it says I live near Fresno, even though my DSL provider is in my home town 50 miles away from Fresno. You can see where your IP originates in Windows by clicking start, then run. Type in CMD and press enter. Type in tracert pdga.com If your ISP identifies it's location it should be one of the first entries. Mine says frs2ca.sbcglobal.net for fresno california.

Whoa, sorry I went supergeek.

https://ws.arin.net/whois/

I see the same thing in my Web browsers. Sometimes they think I am in Ann Arbor, sometimes in other Michigan cities, even at times parts of Northern Ohio. It is indeed someone's computer trying to figure out your IP address.

Has anyone else seen these on the PDGA site? There was one on the homepage just now. There are banner ads suggesting that I change my faith. I think that is quite ridiculous.

What does it want you to change it to? I'd go for druid, or maybe you could go for one of the ancient Aztec religions, you could off up some of your top competitors for sacrifice.

BTW - I get something about a waterproof shirt. Those guys in NO could have used those during Ike! See, it's public service...

Actually, everyone in here could help make the ads more relevant by clicking through and checking out the other side of the ones that are potentially useful. Over time, the kind most clicked-through to would be more frequent.

As soon as I see the: Rebop Rubarb Pie ad, I'll click on it... :)

Actually, everyone in here could help make the ads more relevant by clicking through and checking out the other side of the ones that are potentially useful. Over time, the kind most clicked-through to would be more frequent.

or... nobody could click on any of the darn things ever and maybe the advertisers would dry up and go away and whoever pimped us out to them would have to come up with another way of paying for things.

80 bucks a year coming up...

I just got that one, that's pretty relevant ;-0

Actually, everyone in here could help make the ads more relevant by clicking through and checking out the other side of the ones that are potentially useful. Over time, the kind most clicked-through to would be more frequent.Would that be a violation of the advertiser's terms of service if the suggestion came from a Board Member or representative of the PDGA? I know it is with Google Ads.

But, yes, let's everyone click on the ads. With Google Ads if you organize a campaign of ad clicking, they deny you participation in the program. It is far more likely to be effective than a boycott. :D

Would that be a violation of the advertiser's terms of service if the suggestion came from a Board Member or representative of the PDGA? I know it is with Google Ads.

But, yes, let's everyone click on the ads. With Google Ads if you organize a campaign of ad clicking, they deny you participation in the program. It is far more likely to be effective than a boycott. :D

LOL, thanks for the laugh Bruce!

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Fortunately drugs aren't an issue in disc golf...