the content of this publication doesn't really bother me even though it is poor

it would however be fairly sweet if I were to ever receive an issue that I paid for

what is the pdga doing to reimburse the $ i paid for a publication that I have yet to receive and hope to never receive

I couldnt agree more!

ahh i see you like to rip off my posts in the mag thread.....but i do agree...what is the PDGA going to do to reimburse me when i don't recieve my 6 issues? and no i don't want a free subscription with my renewal for next year....

I also like how you cant reply or comment on the FDM thread.

it would get pretty repetitive after 50 post of "where my mag?"

Who was on the cover of the latest issue?

Feldberg. I think some at least may find out tomorrow who's on the cover of the next issue...

and the one with feldberg was issue 3? seems like i heard they had issues @ worlds? Good to see the sports illustrated curse hasn't spilled into our sport for the mag and feldberg winning worlds!

It might have cursed him if it actually came out BEFORE Worlds... :D

Not on the equipment thread guys, c'mon. Let us talk about plastic in peace here.

have a moderator move the thread...

Never liked the Epic should not have been PDGA approved.

Isn't the Epic approval being removed similar to the Turbo putter?

i certainly hope not.
the first time a newby throws one of these it is ussually the fithest flying disc theve thrown, then as their skill improves the disc loses a spot in the bag for the other discs.
i believe the abuility for a new golfer to throw far is an amazing magnet to the sport we all love.
this disc should remain legal for pdga play

the first time a newby throws one of these it is ussually the fithest flying disc theve thrown, then as their skill improves the disc loses a spot in the bag for the other discs.
i believe the abuility for a new golfer to throw far is an amazing magnet to the sport we all love.
this disc should remain legal for pdga play



they can throw it all they like (except in a PDGA event).
for what does the 'P" in PDGA stand? :confused:

Only the Turbo Putter approval expires at the end of this year. The Epic remains approved like all of the other approved discs.

I wish I could throw very fith or at least fither than bravo anyway. Or is that fithier?

so the mag was supposed to be shipped this week, the mail came and no magazine, what a big suprise

when will the next batch of lies be posted on the FDM forum??

less than 60 days to get 3 issues.....one every 20 days? is that even possible?

they failed just except it and move on.

the big question is what will the PDGA do about it? anything? treat them like TD's that run horrible events a nice pat on the back and a see ya next year?

: ) :

it is clear that they failed. it is clear that they, while having good intentions, do not have the ability to deliver what they promised. was the company chosen through QBS or the usual Tammany Hall emulation our beloved org. uses?

they failed just except it and move on.

the big question is what will the PDGA do about it? anything? treat them like TD's that run horrible events a nice pat on the back and a see ya next year?

: ) :



just accept it and move on, brilliant idea, so on that same logic you don't mind if i come steal your wallet then do you?

why don't all you people who think the magazine is terrible submit a bid to the PDGA and run your own magazine? seems there is a lot of complaining, but no one actually doing anything to fix the problem. If the articles are so bad email Rich and submit your own!


besides nothing improves content like good competition!

luke.
i dont think that anyone is saying that the mag itself is terrible, it is the fact that the product is being delivered. i certainly have no desire to make a living publishing a magazine for dg, but someone did, they have out $ and we have no magazines. please do not act as though this is mindless inane whining. it is not. would you not bee upset if you had paid for a full tank of heating oil for your home but the oil co. only delivered a half tank and kept the rest of your $?

I'm sure they'll at least offer you guyz a discount on the DVD they're working on. That helps, right?

Shipping June 2025?

Shipping June 2025?


Bundled with an English disc that supposedly flies 250m . . . :p

why don't all you people who think the magazine is terrible submit a bid to the PDGA and run your own magazine? seems there is a lot of complaining, but no one actually doing anything to fix the problem. If the articles are so bad email Rich and submit your own!

besides nothing improves content like good competition!



A person can recognize a crappy product without knowing how to make that product.

Bundled with an English disc that supposedly flies 250m . . .


Investors got sucked in when their business plan explained that your disc only gets max D when you put a little "english" on it... :D

luke.
i dont think that anyone is saying that the mag itself is terrible, it is the fact that the product is being delivered. i certainly have no desire to make a living publishing a magazine for dg, but someone did, they have out $ and we have no magazines. please do not act as though this is mindless inane whining. it is not. would you not bee upset if you had paid for a full tank of heating oil for your home but the oil co. only delivered a half tank and kept the rest of your $?



I know that Rich has put a lot of his own money into this mag, I can guarantee you hes not taking our money and not putting it towards the development of the mag...I just think that for $10/yr you guys could cut him some slack. Now if the mag has problems NEXT year, then I'd say go ahead and complain.

fwiw- I don't think all problems have been his fault, however he is taking the classy route and not naming names, or blaming others on here.


as to the tank of heating oil- If I bought $10 of oil and only half showed, I don't think I'd waste my time complaining about it...however I would look for another company to provide my oil if there was one available. If people took all their time they spent complaining and did something to help solve the problem(as small as getting the local disc store to order 5 copies a month to sell) I think we'd have an amazing magazine next year. But its much easier to complain than do actual work I guess.

A person can recognize a crappy product without knowing how to make that product.



but how does saying that our sports only magazine sucks on a message board help fix the problem?

I know that Rich has put a lot of his own money into this mag, I can guarantee you hes not taking our money and not putting it towards the development of the mag...I just think that for $10/yr you guys could cut him some slack. Now if the mag has problems NEXT year, then I'd say go ahead and complain.

fwiw- I don't think all problems have been his fault, however he is taking the classy route and not naming names, or blaming others on here.


as to the tank of heating oil- If I bought $10 of oil and only half showed, I don't think I'd waste my time complaining about it...however I would look for another company to provide my oil if there was one available. If people took all their time they spent complaining and did something to help solve the problem(as small as getting the local disc store to order 5 copies a month to sell) I think we'd have an amazing magazine next year. But its much easier to complain than do actual work I guess.



I don't think most people think this guy is a crook or being malicious in the matter. However, when you bid to win a job part of the assumed pre-requisite is that you can follow through and perform the job you were hired to perform.

The fact that he can't meet the basic standard to get one issue out to paying members is his fault and the pdga's fault for choosing him to do this project.

Sure $10 isn't a lot, but if I steal $10 out of your wallet you won't care? You must have plenty of free cash flow to take that sort of attitude.

If you don't complain about a service performed poorly or a product not delivered properly the problem will only persist and that halts progress.

Complaining here probably won't do anything, but it doesn't hurt either. This Rich guy might see how much dissapointment paying customers are experiencing and push through to make it right. Maybe he's doing all he can and failure is failure

why don't all you people who think the magazine is terrible submit a bid to the PDGA and run your own magazine? seems there is a lot of complaining, but no one actually doing anything to fix the problem. If the articles are so bad email Rich and submit your own!

besides nothing improves content like good competition!



the content seems fine, although it is tough for me to judge that with the 1 issue i was given at worlds

A person can recognize a crappy product without knowing how to make that product.



but how does saying that our sports only magazine sucks on a message board help fix the problem?



Not everything people do has to be constructive. People have the right to complain about a product they payed for - no matter the cost.

i dont type as well as i throw far especially with the epic. :eek: :eek:

so where is the magazine? who has received issue #4?

I have not received any issues this year.

Did you pay for them City Smasher? YOu had to pay extra money to get the mag.

AS for the 3 issues that I have received, I think it is the best disc golf mag EVER produced. Yes, getting all 6 might not happen this year, but he did a [censored] good job. Especially for the first year of printing. His website is kind of nice too. I think next year will be better. If you are so upset, contact the PDGA Headquarters and tell them you want your money back.

Did you pay for them City Smasher? YOu had to pay extra money to get the mag.



I paid the same amount I paid last year, I got the mag then.

Did you pay for them City Smasher? YOu had to pay extra money to get the mag.



I paid the same amount I paid last year, I got the mag then.



The website says:

As a member of the PDGA, your benefits include playing in PDGA sanctioned events at a discounted rate, tracking player points and ratings, subscription to the official PDGA publication, access to the members only DISCussion Board, e-newsletters, Marshals program, becoming a Certified Official/Tournament Director, and more!

I am not griping, I like the PDGA. Thank God we have them.

Just never got my magazines.

This seems like a closed subject to me. The job to produce the magazine was bid out, Rich won it (I don't know him, but know who he is), was not prepared to take on the task when it came down to it, and the PDGA members are left hanging without one of the bigger perks of being a member. That seems pretty cut and dry to me. I really feel sorry for the people at PDGA headquarters who have to field calls about this. Please bring back Ric Rothstein!

He'll be back on the board now. Maybe he can give the mag some advice.

so where is the magazine??

He'll be back on the board now. Maybe he can give the mag some advice.



When HELL freezes over......

$$ say that he is quietly watching and hoping the Mag will fail.
Though he chose to NOT submit a proposal (didnt like the opt out, financially), Id bet he gets GREAT JOY from the hardships that have come about.
:p

Is the magazine considered Equipment?
Maybe this would be better served in another thread topic? Maybe under PDGA news, misc,,etc.!

Or,,,,,How about just opening up the thread about the magazine to allow people to post??


Small and new businesses in Disc golf ( well, in all industries) often have problems getting started and certainly need all the help and support they can get.
I feel we have been more than patient and deserve some answers to whats going on!

Can we please move this topic to the proper area??

I just got an email saying they were sending me the two issues I missed.

Fast response. No biggie.

who did you email? i have seen 2 issues this year. how many were there?

I used the contact link on the homepage.

I've received one issue.

Same
Received only one issue this year
:confused:

where is issue #4?

I used the contact link on the homepage.



I thought that I would do everyone a favor and post that link, but when I just went there clicking on "contact" simply brought me back to the homepage. Actually, the whole website is inoperational at the moment. Any link simply refreshes the homepage. I'll have to ask Aleksey about it tonight.

The Contact page works for me linking to a variety of people on there.

The contact page works for me also.

You might need to hard refresh.

Same
Received only one issue this year
:confused:




Same here and I think its bullshot. Bigger waste of money than my PDGA dues.

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Hello all.

Producing FDM is a wonderful opportunity and is a source of tremendous joy. It's also a challenging and taxing endeavor, especially in our first year.

We are very aware of the timing of the last couple of magazines and want to give you an update on things.

Issue 4 is currently wrapped, finishing up production, and will be on trucks next week. From there we follow quickly with release of issue 5 in early December. Subscribers will then receive an additional issue (6), a special edition Year In Review magazine. We are holding that one as close to the end of the year as possible (to cover as much as possible, including the upcoming Players Cup major) but it'll be shipping before the end of December as well.


so since issue #5 will be here in a few weeks, where is issue #4???

The PDGA office did receive their copies last Friday (overnighted?) so apparently the issue is printed. But bulk mail could take a week or more.

so like decemeber of next year then

Just want to thank FDM for the major personal snub in the last issue. Were you guys actually at the Worlds this year? Would it be so difficult to actually report on each individual division?

I normally try to keep my thoughts to myself, and I try not to complain too much, but in this case I have to agree with Pterodactyl. The coverage of the Worlds and it's participants was not good at all. There was very little coverage of the event itself, and very few photos. There was not even one picture of an amature player in the whole magazine. There was no interviews of any of the amature players, nothing. Kinda disappointing.

FWIW ... here's an interview w/ the Am World Champ

http://www.flyingdiscmagazine.com/node/725

(so what issue are you guys talking about btw? ... did you get #4?)

I got issue 4 yesterday. Valarie J. on the cover and interiew inside. FWIW, there were more than just one champion at Worlds.

I got my issue #4 yesterday also (San Diego). To be fair Manny, the non-Open divisional winners were listed in the magazine. However, in previous years there was at least a cursory description of the Amateur and Old-Fart divisional play. This bothered me a bit, but then I turned the page to the article about the Star City Shootout, a one-day B-Tier, where there was a little bit of actual text describing the play in the non-Open divisions. Huh?? That's a *big* editorial mistake.

On the plus side, there was a good instructional article by T. Monroe on throwing the airbounce, almost a lost art.

I'm still not sold on the need for disc dog and ultimate articles in this publication. The UPA already puts out a magazine for their players - does it contain disc golf articles in every issue?

The PDGA office did receive their copies last Friday (overnighted?) so apparently the issue is printed. But bulk mail could take a week or more.



I still don't have mine yet!

The PDGA office did receive their copies last Friday (overnighted?) so apparently the issue is printed. But bulk mail could take a week or more.



I still don't have mine yet!



Got mine yesterday...

i still havent seen a single issue...

You haven't missed anything. I have only recieved two and neither one did a thing for me. :(

It is not a PDGA magazine... only 14 pages of it (and I bet they count the pages of OLD EVENT RESULTS AS 12 of them).

I LOVED the HALLOWEEN AD on the inside cover!!! 2 days before THANKSGIVING!!!

Imagine walking that thru the door of a potential sponsor! I hope Oakley is coming out with a model of sunglasses big enough to cover black eyes this size.

I got mine a couple of days ago. I think this one is better than the previous issues. I enjoyed reading it and hope that the magazine is turning the corner.

It's new, let's cut it some slack.

I got mine a couple of days ago. I think this one is better than the previous issues. I enjoyed reading it and hope that the magazine is turning the corner.

It's new, let's cut it some slack.



Ya give it another year at least :p :D

some good stuff in the new issue, but the ads and tourney results were way out of date. the mag comes out in november and we only get tourney results through may?

Well, looks like it was enough of a failure. PDGA is going back to publishing it's own magazine next year.

nice i will assume we will never see another issue again then

Anyone notice how the FDM web site has not changed in a couple of month after the first push!

so what is it now....14 days including weekends and holidays that FDM has to get me my 2 issues that remain in my subscription? im not holding my breath....

Nice article Stack. Yes, I probably exagerrated a bit on Jerm's height, and distance, but was real close on the margin of victory. Dawn had a great time doubling up with him at Worlds.

Why we call him the The Towering InJermo ;)

I think i have gotten a total of 2 issues this year! 1 question, now that the pdga is doing a mag as a member benefit, what does that mean for the guys that paid the extra money in their renewall for the mag?

good question

thread of the year?

just got the latest issue. that makes 2 in the last month, and 3 (maybe 4) for the year. I have to say i think it is a vast improvement over the previous mag. i find myself reading most of FDM. great job guys. looking forward to the 09 issues.

just got the latest issue. i find myself reading most of FDM. great job guys. looking forward to the 09 issues.



POST OF THE YEAR! :D

Good luck finding those '09 issues. :eek:

55 minutes to get me 2 issues....does the USPS deliver this late?

you guys were not happy w/ the last 2 issues? why not?

do you guys want to be able to read a magazine about disc golf?

i was simply stating that despite the slow start, the mag seems to be happening now. why do you think that simple, positive statements qualify for post of the year?

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am i missing something? I saw a post above that says they are not going to continue doing FDM. I also saw in the latest issue that they had big plans for 09. which is true? just trying to give some folks who are doing something for disc golf the benefit of the doubt.

you guys were not happy w/ the last 2 issues? why not?

do you guys want to be able to read a magazine about disc golf?

i was simply stating that despite the slow start, the mag seems to be happening now. why do you think that simple, positive statements qualify for post of the year?

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am i missing something? I saw a post above that says they are not going to continue doing FDM. I also saw in the latest issue that they had big plans for 09. which is true? just trying to give some folks who are doing something for disc golf the benefit of the doubt.



We all want a publication. I think Keith was referring that FDM will not be the publication for 2009. Read more here. http://www.pdga.com/pdga-publication

Also, there are new MB rules ( http://discussion.pdga.com/msgboard/boardrules.php?Cat=0 ). Under the new rules you must becareful how you spell fecal matter.

well, it is now january first, i received a grand total of 3 issues 1,2, and 4. when i renew monday we will see if im paying 40 or 50 bones after my feces fit i throw on the phone whilst renewing.

thx hero. so will FDM keep going as a newsstand mag but not the official pdga publication? that's what the latest issue makes it sound like.

you guys were not happy w/ the last 2 issues? why not?

do you guys want to be able to read a magazine about disc golf?

i was simply stating that despite the slow start, the mag seems to be happening now. why do you think that simple, positive statements qualify for post of the year?

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am i missing something? I saw a post above that says they are not going to continue doing FDM. I also saw in the latest issue that they had big plans for 09. which is true? just trying to give some folks who are doing something for disc golf the benefit of the doubt.



guessing FDM hopes to still put out 1/2 the magazines to whoever chooses to subscribe next year but the PDGA has moved on. So maybe there will be 1 1/2 magazines on disc golf in 2009?! that could be cool!

By the new rules can we criticize FDM since they are no longer affiliated w/ the PDGA?

so someone actually reported me to the administrator for profanity?!
Oh my gosh, I sincerely hope i did not offend anyone with my choice of (coded) term for feces.
I got a courtesy warning.

lol i reported you, it was more abuse of the notify moderator button that actually caring, although i do want to see the D list grow......:)

where is the notify moderator button, and what is the D list?

I just got a new issue

where is the notify moderator button, and what is the D list?


Immediately beneath the text in any post. Third button of the four. And the D List is the disciplinary list, for people that have been disciplines. Odds are you were not disciplined, rather your profanity was simply removed.

I just got a new issue




Me too! A bit of a New Years surprise! :D

FDM is going to be available at news stands and there was a home subscription card in my magazine.

Wow. It sounds like I am in the minority because I actually recieved all 6 of my issues. I think. I really liked the mag, but I just don't know if I can plop down the bux to subscribe after the fiasco this year? I'd honestly be happy with Disc Golf World back....

Wow. It sounds like I am in the minority because I actually recieved all 6 of my issues. I think. I really liked the mag, but I just don't know if I can plop down the bux to subscribe after the fiasco this year? I'd honestly be happy with Disc Golf World back....



I will be renewing with them as long as they keep their crap together.

Interesting to see people had such an issue with getting the magazine.

I signed up for the PDGA in late September/Early October and I subscribed to flying disc magazine at that point.

I've only received issue 5 at this point (just got that a week ago) and they just activated my account for the forums like two weeks ago...if that.

I like the magazine I just wish that I could read all of them that I paid for. Here's to hoping the mailbox fairy delivers....

I've only received 4 issues. Bummer. I probably won't be renewing. I learn more hands on then reading but I think it is great for the sport to have a magazine so I hope they can keep it going. Good luck FDM

I think the mag is pretty good and I plan on continuing my subscription.

I was disappointed at first, but I think their publication can only improve, so I renewed as well. Plus I figured, if they want to get better, they're going to need some subscription money! :)

Saw it today at Barnes and Noble and in 15 minutes read all the Disc Golf articles,(there were only a few in the 80 pages) as without being a PDGA mag, it had lots of Ultimate, Dog, and Freestyling type articles covering ALL disc types, plus it still had helpful pro tips pages from Avery and Hammock.

Looks like they got their act together just as their PDGA run was coming to an end. Even though I found it on the shelf, I made a point to ask at customer service about where it was located and the guy walked with me over to the sports shelf, and with around 15-20 people sitting around reading stated that the "flying disc" magazine covering Frisbee golf was right here, as he pulled it out of the middle row of the shelves- which caused about 8-10 of those people to look to see what magazine he was showing me.

Let's hope for the sake of having a mag in the national eye it stays there!

Keith

I went searching for one at Barnes and Nobles in Fort Worth @ University and 30 and they have it listed under flying disc instead of flying disc magazine! it was under sports in the very top corner so I had to as for some help because I did not see it at first :DThe guy at the chk out counter said he used to play ultimate! I like the mag enough to buy it verses reading it in the store oh and the fact that my 2 yr old was running laps around the mag stands :D

I went searching for one at Barnes and Nobles in Fort Worth @ University and 30 and they have it listed under flying disc instead of flying disc magazine!



Because that's the new name of the magazine.

Glad to see others are finding it also.
I would have bought it, but I'm sure that since I already paid the PDGA for this issue, it will one day show up in my mailbox. :eek:

I won't get a subscription, but I will probably buy issues around Worlds and USDGC if they come out with good articles and pictures. :D

It's a good magazine. Delivery problems did happen, but the mag was solid. I'm glad to see it out there with all of the other magazines. I will be sending in my 2-year subsciption this week. I don't care that I only got the 4 mags this year. I enjoyed them.

And I know Rick and the PDGA will do a good job on their new magazine as well. And I'm very glad to see the opt out option is a thing of the past,

Found it at Hastings here in Norman, and only had 2 issues left.

I will continue my subscription...you kidding me!?? I now get to read 2 quality disc golf magazines....AWESOME FOR ME!!

amazing, my disc golfer magazine actually arrived today and the cover was not ripped in half

im not sure I can handle this outstanding customer service