Come one, come all...registration for The 2009 Memorial presented by Discraft is now open!

As usual we are expecting this event to fill a couple of months early so get in soon. We are again going Thursday through Saturday after a great response in March. Also, with the amazing player packages http://www.spinnersdiscgolf.com/i/Pics/tn_1_Package_Bag.JPG and awesome trophies http://www.spinnersdiscgolf.com/i/Pics/tn_P3080130.JPG we'll be doing the same thing for the Am's this year!

For the National Tour Professionals, you can enter here (http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1225443791).

For the A-Tier Amateurs, you can enter here (http://www.pdgasignup.com/Qstore/Qstore.cgi?CMD=011&PROD=1225444506).

Lodging information will be posted shortly but you can always contact our friends at Sun King Travel (http://www.sunkingtravel.com/) to get some great deals.

Once again you will need to be a 2009 current PDGA member to play this event and if you haven't renewed by 1/15/09 then you could be moved to the waiting list.

Feel free to contact me with any questions at spinnersdiscgolf@yahoo.com.

Keith,

The 2009 Memorial has opened registration but the PDGA has not yet posted the 2009 NT Sanctioning Agreement, so the membership does not know what standards apply to this event. Here are the most important questions:

1) The most recent version of the 2009 NT Agreement (posted in August and subsequently withdrawn) decreed that NT's would be Open-only, but your signup page also offers age-protected divisions. Is that a mistake, or has the PDGA changed its mind?

2) The 2008 NT Agreement mandated that the hosting club add at least $4000 to the total purse. What is the figure for 2009?

3) The 2008 Agreement funneled added cash preferentially toward Open divisions according to the "triple-share" formula. If other divisions are offered in 2009, is that formula still "triple-share to Open", or has it been changed?

4) The 2008 Memorial capped some divisions. For example, MPS was initially capped at four. What will be your cap policy for 2009?

I believe the Board voted to use the 2008 agreement as the template for 2009 unless they made some changes since the Summit.

Thanks, Chuck. That helps a lot.

If so, it answers all my questions except the last. As I recall, the 2008 NT Agreement let the clubs decide about registration caps. Keith, what will be the Memorial's policy on caps?

Keith,

The 2009 Memorial has opened registration but the PDGA has not yet posted the 2009 NT Sanctioning Agreement, so the membership does not know what standards apply to this event. Here are the most important questions:

1) The most recent version of the 2009 NT Agreement (posted in August and subsequently withdrawn) decreed that NT's would be Open-only, but your signup page also offers age-protected divisions. Is that a mistake, or has the PDGA changed its mind?

2) The 2008 NT Agreement mandated that the hosting club add at least $4000 to the total purse. What is the figure for 2009?

3) The 2008 Agreement funneled added cash preferentially toward Open divisions according to the "triple-share" formula. If other divisions are offered in 2009, is that formula still "triple-share to Open", or has it been changed?

4) The 2008 Memorial capped some divisions. For example, MPS was initially capped at four. What will be your cap policy for 2009?



I know you mean Discraft Keith (now Spinners Keith :D), but after seeing the proposed 2009 NT agreement for myself, and saying there's no way most TD's would go along with what was being asked, (OPEN men and women only - everyone else in a conjunctive A-Tier, upping the REQUIRED added to $8000, along with other additions) it seems like no one else liked it either and they went back to 2008 standards.

On the home page for the Memorial there is this that may help get you an answer faster: <font color="blue">
You can also send an email to the 2009 Memorial Staff at info@2009memorial.com.
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Hello Peter,

While there are technically no caps per division we do need to keep it even. If there's four then that's one group, next would be six to keep it to two groups of three and so on. As the event gets closer to filling and there is only four people signed up in a division then usually we decide if we think two more will sign up or if we should allocate those for a different division.

And as Keith mentioned, please use info@2009memorial.com for questions, thanks.

What is the website for the 2009 memorial?

What is the website for the 2009 memorial?



www.disqman.com (http://www.disqman.com)

Site is just started but in years past, ALL INFO is found there and very little here on the PDGA board.

Keith, (just Keith)

Actually it's www.2009memorial.com (http://www.2009memorial.com).

Actually it's www.2009memorial.com (http://www.2009memorial.com).



Actually it's on both. :D
Plus this also help Mark get hits for the website he's been doing the work on for years. ;)

Any idea when a registration list will be available? I want to make sure my arm (which I broke in october) is on track to be near full strength when I play. I intend to sign up, but would prefer to send my entry in after I have some money from returning to work and after my rehab has progressed a little.

As soon as possible.

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Updated registration is now posted...

Pro's (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8387)

Am's (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8407)

The first of the 2009 Memorial presented by Discraft fund raiser discs are here and they look SWEET!!!

The CryZtal Buzzz SS has what we are calling the "Through the Looking Glass" New Belgium Winter logo. It's a ColorMax printed on the underside of the disc! Only 50 of these available.

The ESP Buzzz SS had the New Belgium Winter logo ColorMaxed on white discs and looks and feels great. Only 40 of there were made!

You can ORDER HERE (http://www.spinnersdiscgolf.com/custom_golf_discs.html) but get yours quick, they won't last long!

All proceeds go right to the event, so please show your support, thanks!

We are pleased to announce the 3 Palms Hotel in Scottsdale as a tournament partner!

Call Scott Little at the number below and mention the 2009 Memorial presented by Discraft to receive a Deluxe room for only $149.00 per night! That's 25% off!!!

All of their rooms and suites are tastefully appointed with carefully selected modern art, contemporary custom made furnishings, and entertainment centers. Their guests bask in the comfort of our super deluxe pillow top beds dressed with 400-thread count linens, down comforters, and four equally soft down pillows. Passionate attention to detail continues throughout the 3 Palms with features selected with your comfort and convenience in mind. Cable/satellite TV with premium channels, DVD players, stereos, refrigerators, microwaves, and the all important coffee maker are just some of the amenities we've included in anticipation of your every need. Spa services are available in our private spa suite.

Stay right on the Vista del Camino Park course and be in the middle of the action and enjoy these great amenities:

Enjoy contemporary coastal cuisine at Avalon, serving breakfast, lunch, dinner, and late night! The 3 Palms offers a large outdoor pool and spa with a poolside bar, a rooftop sundeck, Fitness center, complementary high-speed Internet access in the lobby and all guest rooms, complementary wireless Internet access throughout the common areas and dry-cleaning and laundry service.

Get your reservations in soon as it could fill quickly and be sure to mention the 2009 Memorial presented by Discraft!

Scott H. Little
General Manager
3 Palms Hotel
7707 East McDowell Road
Scottsdale, AZ 85257
Phone: 480.941.1202

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Call Scott Little at the number below and mention the 2009 Memorial presented by Discraft to receive a Deluxe room for only $149.00 per night! That's 25% off!!!

How about some info on more reasonablly priced rooms that are more in line with the tastes and pocketbooks of most DGers.

Call Scott Little at the number below and mention the 2009 Memorial presented by Discraft to receive a Deluxe room for only $149.00 per night! That's 25% off!!!




How about some info on more reasonablly priced rooms that are more in line with the tastes and pocketbooks of most DGers.



If you put four to a room that is only $37 bucks a night. Plus, this is a decent rate for Scottsdale during the peak snowbird season. A quick search on Orbitz shows most rooms in the Scottsdale area (that will sleep 4) are over $120.00 a night.

Personally, I think it is worth a few extra dollars to have a room overlooking the Vista course. You can walk to the first tee (and Duke's). Plus it is easier to hitch a ride to the Fountain course with other players so you can save extra money by not renting a car.

the rooms at the 3 palms are kinda smallish too, but very nice. But being ON the course just cannot be beat. you have to drive only to the other course, and you can carpool fairly easy for that. Grocery store and a walgreens? are &lt;1 block away, dukes(where everyone hangs out all week) is a 2 min walk. there are other restaurants nearby too.

All good points. Thanks for the replies.

Not only the snowbird season but spring training too makes this area quite pricey that time of year. If anything else comes up I'll be sure and post it.

Just added the FLX Drone 2009 Memorial Edition to Spinnersdiscgolf.com (http://www.spinnersdiscgolf.com/custom_golf_discs.html) in addition to the Buzzz SS fund raisers. Thank you to all that have purchased one so far, for supporting this event!

Getting ready to add another four to the NT side and two to the A-Tier. The entries are rolling in, don't get left out!

Just added 7 more to the NT and 5 more to the A-tier. That gives us 33 on the NT and 29 on the Am side!

All of us involved with the 2009 Memorial presented by Discraft wants to wish you a safe and happy holiday season!

Just updated and we are now at 47 on the A-tier side and 51 for the NT!

Happy New Year everyone!!! Just added the entries that came in over the holidays. Up to 66 for the NT and 62 for the A-tier!

what is the max for am division?

We are planning on hosting around 180 amateurs.

Just added 31 more players. We are now sitting at 80 for the NT and 82 for the A-tier.

They entries are really coming in fast now, don't delay if you want to play!

180 for pros also?

That's what we shoot for but can handle around 200. We had 210 in 2008 and I'm willing to go that high again.

How long till you think the pro side is going to fill up? should probably have until about 2 weeks before you think?

We are expecting to fill by late January or early February. Get your entry in soon as I just uploaded 30 more folks today.

will do

* Sun
75 / 45
* Mon
76 / 48
* Tue
75 / 48
* Wed
71 / 50
* Thu
69 / 50
* Fri
70 / 47 :D

Only 22 spots remaining on the Pro side and 25 for the Am's! If you want to get in the time is now!!!

I just did my online reg and am already getting antsy for this one. Now I just have to figure out where I am staying because Dukes wont put up a cot for me (i asked last year).

Keith, your able to take up to 210????

We had 210 last year and can handle that many, but it doesn't mean we will take that many this year. The 180 NT and 160 A-tier numbers are where we would like to be and we will shut down online then. The day we do that will also be the post mark date for mail in entries.

Just signed up online. Hope I am in.

It sure would be nice if the list updated.

Are there any major changes to the courses that us out of towners should be made aware of???
I know it is a month away but any and all info just keeps us all that more excited about this awesome event.

Are collared shirts a must or can we wear T-Shirts?

Are there any major changes to the courses that us out of towners should be made aware of???
I know it is a month away but any and all info just keeps us all that more excited about this awesome event.



They put a basket on the fountain, 19th hole...... :p

We are adding 1 hole to the south side of the course using part of the 1000 ft hole from 2 years ago. we are going back to having 18 be the hole after the dam hole heading north.This will allow us to combine 2 of the par 3 holes on the west stretch, similar to 2 years ago.
Everything else will be essentially the same as last year.

Barley or I will post maps when they are done.

Gaff

The registration list is updated and we are now taking entries for the wait list. There is a chance of getting in as if a player is not current with the PDGA as of 2/2/09 then that player will be moved to the wait list and their spot will be given to someone who is current.

thanks for updating the list.

thanks gaff for the info

Keith I am Current, I paid my renewal at an event two weeks ago. Paul Jay just needs to send it in. So please let me keep my spot.

Are collared shirts a must or can we wear T-Shirts?



NT: Crew neck and v neck shirts are ok, so long as they are of a high performance material, i.e. Drifit.

A-tier: Crew neck and v neck shirts of any material are fine.

e-mail from Keith to all non current players:


You must be current by 2/2/09 or your spot may be given to someone on the wait list who is current. You can renew easily online at www.pdgastore.com. (http://www.pdgastore.com.) Once you have done so, please e-mail us the confirmation e-mail you receive and we will make sure to secure your spot. The PDGA website will not show you as current until Weds. the 4th but by sending your confirmation e-mail you will be fine.



By the way if you renew on 2/2 (disc golfers are notorious to wait until the last minute) you will not show current until 2/10. This was info from Addie today, I spoke to her on the phone today. SO send your conformation e-mails as soon as you get them to:

discraftkeith@yahoo.com

Keith the easier thing to do would have been to extend you deadline until Wednesday, then start dropping people, but what ever works for you.

We figured that we would give them through the weekend. I will not start moving people off until the update on Wednesday since that will mean they were current by 2/2/09. If I say Weds. then I have to wait until the following Weds. because like you said golfers like to wait till the last minute.

Keith the pdga is not requireing you to do this 35 days before the event.2 weeks would be enough time for you to replace the few that would not be current. Is this your way of feeling important Or pissing off a few of your friends that still play...I see how quick you are to email all 35 players to let them know you will be on a waiting list.....I made the same post last year and here we are again :(

Then you should know better this year.

We figured that we would give them through the weekend. I will not start moving people off until the update on Wednesday since that will mean they were current by 2/2/09. If I say Weds. then I have to wait until the following Weds. because like you said golfers like to wait till the last minute.



I see, I understand.


Then you should know better this year.



Zing!

I like it. Keith rocks.

Hey Reese, how you been?
You walked right into that one.

Keith,

I would like to request an American Sign Language interpreter for the award banquet since there will be 5 Deaf players to play the Memorial tournament. It would be so much fun to chat with hearing players while having an ASL interpreter around us. Please let me know if you can provide an interpreter for us. If you cannot, then I can ask PDGA to send one.

Thanks!

Looking forward to throw disc there!!

Tan

Hey Tan, are there any signs us hearing golfers could learn to help in order to have a more enjoyable and/or easier round communication wise? My sign language skills are limited to about 15 signs mostly used with infants (hungry, more, milk, etc.). I know I would appreciate a heads up as to which signs you think would be useful for me to know on the course. I think I could probably pick up 10-20 between now and tournament time.

Rory

Hey Rory,

Yes, it is easy and fun to learn several signs that related to the courses. If one of us happen be in your card, we will teach you how to sign, "birdie, par, bogey, OB, in water, and etc" unless you are seriously focus in the game. Frankly, this year is my fourth time to play at the Memorial, I know several players do not want to talk with me or tell me whats going on during the rounds for their own reasons. It frustrated me sometimes but I tend to leave them alone and focus on myself in the game. Anyway, back to the point what I would like to request about interpeter since 2007 AM World in Wisconsin, they provided the interpreters there and I enjoyed every moment :) Hope TD Keith will provide it and if not, then I will ask PDGA or Brian Grahan to send one.

Wow! One month to go!! Imagine that Ive not thrown the disc lately... Been busy with work at Arizona School for the Deaf plus being coach with boys football and boys basketball. Cant wait to get my rhythm back asap :)

Rory, thanks for the dropping line about learning some signs!!

Tan

Hey Rory,

Yes, it is easy and fun to learn several signs that related to the courses. If one of us happen be in your card, we will teach you how to sign, "birdie, par, bogey, OB, in water, and etc" unless you are seriously focus in the game. Frankly, this year is my fourth time to play at the Memorial, I know several players do not want to talk with me or tell me whats going on during the rounds for their own reasons. It frustrated me sometimes but I tend to leave them alone and focus on myself in the game. Anyway, back to the point what I would like to request about interpeter since 2007 AM World in Wisconsin, they provided the interpreters there and I enjoyed every moment :) Hope TD Keith will provide it and if not, then I will ask PDGA or Brian Grahan to send one.

Wow! One month to go!! Imagine that Ive not thrown the disc lately... Been busy with work at Arizona School for the Deaf plus being coach with boys football and boys basketball. Cant wait to get my rhythm back asap :)

Rory, thanks for the dropping line about learning some signs!!

Tan



I would love to learn some Golf signs also, we have some deaf players here in columbus and it would be really cool to be better at communicating on their level.

keith why are there 8 people that are not current and still on the list&gt;??????If you are going to bark, you better bite...

Keith the pdga is not requireing you to do this 35 days before the event.2 weeks would be enough time for you to replace the few that would not be current. Is this your way of feeling important Or pissing off a few of your friends that still play...I see how quick you are to email all 35 players to let them know you will be on a waiting list.....I made the same post last year and here we are again :(



...but from the players point of view, 2 weeks isn't that long to coordinate a trip to AZ from afar. It's time for players to be held accountable for something! 35 days is a good call IMHO.

keith why are there 8 people that are not current and still on the list&gt;??????If you are going to bark, you better bite...




Maybe those players have sent their PDGA confirmation emails to Keith.

Or by PDGA Rule he has to leave their spot there because most are holding Touring Pro Cards (they are rated 1000 or higher).

keith why are there 8 people that are not current and still on the list&gt;??????If you are going to bark, you better bite...



Hi again Reese, just keep ignoring me. Hope all is well. Keep stirring the POT.

YESTERDAY WAS THE DEADLINE TO REPLY TO KEITH.The pdga may require they hold 10 spots for touring pros, but the requirements for pdga current at this event 30 days before the event is all keith nothing but the keith ...Hey Ben we can catch up in az with a glass of milk or 2... ;)

The pdga may require they hold 10 spots for touring pros, but the requirements for pdga current at this event 30 days before the event is all keith nothing but the keith ...



You don't have to hold certain number of spots for touring players anymore either...

A dog with no teeth can only barkeith.....Mean what you say, and say what you mean......

MMMMMM Milk. I'm there with the wife and rug rat on Monday evening the 2nd, Can't wait!

We have decided to use the same course layouts as last year.
There will be a link to maps and a caddy book soon.

Michael

Gaff

is there still park construction being done at Vista or has that all been completed?

anyone looking to share rental car and hotel fees for this event ?
flying in monday or tuesday
thanks

is there still park construction being done at Vista or has that all been completed?



Based on the overhead view from Google Maps, it looks as if all construction is completed.

my friend and i are coming in from colorado and north carolina, and have never played the memorial. He is used to tight, wooded course, and i usually play longer, open ones. can someone provide a brief, general description of the courses and the types of shots they require? thanks

my friend and i are coming in from colorado and north carolina, and have never played the memorial. He is used to tight, wooded course, and i usually play longer, open ones. can someone provide a brief, general description of the courses and the types of shots they require? thanks



Vista del Roller - short skippy grass, wide open, lots of OB sidewalks along with creek / ponds
Fountain Hills - water, rolling hills, wide open with a few trees

Control your skips and you will be good - miss by 100 feet to the right and you'll skip ob on the left side of the fairway at Vista. If you can throw a midrange straight and 300 feet, you will DOMINATE!

I suggest bringing some backup disc's. Fountain Hills seems to suck them into the lake last time I played there. I have had them skip 75' or catch a edge and just roll into the water.
Placed your throws well and you will be ok on Vista.

Just played Vista, 2/13, the skip will be a factor. I wouldn't worry about running out of plastic, Spinners has inventory of just about everything. If you offer Dann-o the right amount, I know he has boxes of vintage and very rare stuff if you catch him in the right mood.

Kieth, don't tell him I put this on here.

Hey Texas Brothers,

Keith R. and I will be in AZ WED @ 9am. We will be playing the Vista course first then hit the FH course around 2pm. Yall gonna join us? /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

This is like vacation X2! :cool::cool:

Sick I tell you, SICK! :p

Hey locals, is it windy there like it is in TX? I hope so because I think it will work in my favor.

... If you can throw a midrange straight and 300 feet, you will DOMINATE!



Now that is some good ole` information, thanks dude

Good question to

So where are the caddy books?? I can't find a link....just like my putting. The official blog says they're here, but??

... If you can throw a midrange straight and 300 feet, you will DOMINATE!



Now that is some good ole` information, thanks dude

Good question to



agree, smart shots definitely get rewarded @ vista

and if its windy then playing a OB-free round is a great way to shoot well.

PS- 2 more weeks :D

So where are the caddy books?? I can't find a link....just like my putting. The official blog says they're here, but??



The Caddie Books are on the front page. Here's a link (http://2009memorial.com/09_memorial_caddie_book_web.pdf) to them also.

what course do you guys reccomend playing on wed.? will vista be open all day in the new layout? any other course nearby? thanks

WooooooHooooo Memorial Time :D

Everyone is invited to the first installment of the National Tour Clinic Series on Tuesday, March 3rd at 4:00. The FREE disc golf clinic will be at the newly installed Los Olivos course just minutes from Spinners, Dukes and Vista.
Maybe someone can give directions from Spinners, but from Loop 202 you will want to exit North on 32nd, take a left on Indian School and then a right on 28th to the park.
The clinic will be two hours and feature:
--World Champion, Dave Felderg on Mental Approach to tournament play
--US Distance Champ, Avery Jenkins on Driving to Win
--World Putting Champion, Jay Reading on Consistent Putting
--The Technician, Joe Mela on Trick Shots and Saving Strokes

We are here performing for you all and the local disc golf scene as a way of saying thanks for supporting disc golf so help spread the word. A big thanks to Zach Walker of 4 Handz and Dan, Sue and Keith of Spinners for helping make this great addition to the event happen.

Open tee times are posted.

what course do you guys reccomend playing on wed.? will vista be open all day in the new layout? any other course nearby? thanks



Vista will be open with the Memorial layout, baskets should be in this weekend! I would suggest playing Moeur (Papago) Park, fun 18 hole course or Los Olivos, where the NT Clinic will be. It's a fun 9 hole course that plays through olive trees.

Tee times for both the NT and A-tier are now posted. Everything is coming together nicely and we'll be seeing you guys in a couple of weeks!!!

can someone post directions from the main hotel out to the fountain hills course? how long is that drive? thanks

can someone post directions from the main hotel out to the fountain hills course? how long is that drive? thanks



Mapquest from the hotel you are staying at to Fountain Hills, and it puts you right at the fountain(which is where the course is)

It is about a 20-30 minute drive depending on lights, form one course to the other.

WooooooHooooo Memorial Time :D

Everyone is invited to the first installment of the National Tour Clinic Series on Tuesday, March 3rd at 4:00. The FREE disc golf clinic will be at the newly installed Los Olivos course just minutes from Spinners, Dukes and Vista.
Maybe someone can give directions from Spinners, but from Loop 202 you will want to exit North on 32nd, take a left on Indian School and then a right on 28th to the park.
The clinic will be two hours and feature:
--World Champion, Dave Felderg on Mental Approach to tournament play
--US Distance Champ, Avery Jenkins on Driving to Win
--World Putting Champion, Jay Reading on Consistent Putting
--The Technician, Joe Mela on Trick Shots and Saving Strokes

We are here performing for you all and the local disc golf scene as a way of saying thanks for supporting disc golf so help spread the word. A big thanks to Zach Walker of 4 Handz and Dan, Sue and Keith of Spinners for helping make this great addition to the event happen.



We can't wait to again host the first NT Clinic of the season!

There is an easy way to Los Olivos from Spinners, I just take McDowell west to Scottsdale road and turn right heading north. You take that to Indian School and turn left, that goes right down to 28th street and you turn right and the park is right there. It usually takes about 15 minutes to get there from here.

Keith riddle me this, why is brian anders still on the list with a tee time and is not current as of today????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????/Put on your pant and do as you said.... :o

Keith riddle me this, why is brian anders still on the list with a tee time and is not current as of today????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????????????????/Put on your pant and do as you said.... :o



I think it's about time you let it go Reese. :p They can run their event as they see fit, you running a 400+ person event this year?

Oh man, 1 week and the family and I will be there. The wait is killing us, I just played in 3-4 inches of snow that fell during both rounds at an event yesterday. I'm so over snow and am needing the 80 degree sun, rye grass, and palm trees. I want my sunburn!

399 this year :p

399 this year :p



My bad. I stand corrected :cool:

Are there any Buzz full colors or CFRs still available?

399 this year :p



My bad. I stand corrected :cool:



Hi Ben! Glad to see you're coming! It's been in the 80s all week, hardly no wind(opps that will set off murphys law). Fountain is extremly beautiful, with no construction in the park, and it rained good all January so the mountains are all green!! see ya next week

Russel

I was wondering if any AMS Advanced players who are signed up, are not going to make it out. Today is the cutoff for 50% of refund. Sunday is the last day for any changes to the Player's list. If anyone is planning to not make it, I will be more than happy to fill your spot, I'm 2nd on the waitlist.

Are there any Buzz full colors or CFRs still available?



We didn't do any SuperColor Buzzz this year, only the Challengers. We have an assortment of CryZtal Buzzz and Challenger, some with the event ColorMax and some with the New Belgium logo, along with a number of other Discraft models. Shoot me an e-mail at spinnersdiscgolf@yahoo.com if you are looking for something and I can check our stock.

399 this year :p



My bad. I stand corrected :cool:



Hi Ben! Glad to see you're coming! It's been in the 80s all week, hardly no wind(opps that will set off murphys law). Fountain is extremly beautiful, with no construction in the park, and it rained good all January so the mountains are all green!! see ya next week

Russel



Can't wait for tomorrow! Look forward to seeing you Russel! Can some one do something about Saturday? Forcast shows rain. :mad:

found the answers to my own question above, sorry.

WooooooHooooo Memorial Time :D

Everyone is invited to the first installment of the National Tour Clinic Series on Tuesday, March 3rd at 4:00. The FREE disc golf clinic will be at the newly installed Los Olivos course just minutes from Spinners, Dukes and Vista.
Maybe someone can give directions from Spinners, but from Loop 202 you will want to exit North on 32nd, take a left on Indian School and then a right on 28th to the park.
The clinic will be two hours and feature:
--World Champion, Dave Felderg on Mental Approach to tournament play
--US Distance Champ, Avery Jenkins on Driving to Win
--World Putting Champion, Jay Reading on Consistent Putting
--The Technician, Joe Mela on Trick Shots and Saving Strokes

We are here performing for you all and the local disc golf scene as a way of saying thanks for supporting disc golf so help spread the word. A big thanks to Zach Walker of 4 Handz and Dan, Sue and Keith of Spinners for helping make this great addition to the event happen.



Start your Memorial off the right way, be there! :D

Please tell or bring some new or beginning disc golfers. This is a great way to watch and meet some of our sports best.

AND IT'S FREE!

On hole 17 at Fountain Hills in the caddy book, it shows a mandatory to the right of the marked tree. Last year it was left of the marked tree. And I believe the tee sign also says left of the tree (or it did in december.) Which is correct?

It was right of the tree Ben. It's always been a hyzer to keep people from throwing in 18's fairway.

Thanks Pat. My thinking was that it was left of the rightmost tree to protect the people walking along the pathway. And nice shooting this weekend.

Just got the call from Keith, I'm in the Memorial! Now I can sleep, not...

less than 24 hours til I'm on the road......I can't sleep.

5 of the deep San Diego field will be on the road in less than 5 hours. It's almost time.

It's awesome here!

Hey Ben are you out there with the usual OH connection? I'm so jealous!

how about some scores? or is there a better site for that as well?

Nate aces every hole on the course at the same time. Check it out here (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8387&amp;year=2008&amp;include_ratings=1#O pen) :D

I guess Barry had an off day?

Hey Ben are you out there with the usual OH connection? I'm so jealous!



No Brad had to stay home, for work. I'm here with the family, Dan Busick is out here though.

Holy crap, I'm 46 over and almost in last place! I haven't even thrown yet. :(

wow check out those round ratings. Nate doss shoots a 1404 rated rtound

is it possible to get an update on scores? will there be any real time scores starting tomorrow for the lead group?

And others are in the negatives! Are negative ratings even possible? And if so, why? :o

Negative ratings are theoretically possible. If someone shoots more than 150 on an 18-hole course with an SSA of 50, their round rating would be negative. I think a round rating of around 100 is the lowest we've seen thrown by a young junior player.

Live Scoring Now on the PDGA site.

go mattO !

Those scores in thus far legit? If so, solid... my fantasy pick is going to be near the top ;)

Last year at the Memorial, Feldberg averaged 1071 for three 18s which is likely the 54-hole record for any event. He started with an unofficial 1077 today. Can Dave or perhaps someone else trailing him top this record?

Chuck can you do me an experiment for me?

Do the ratings per each division without scores from the other divisions as a variable. The Memorial's ratings are always inflated for the men cuz they can crush it over the water. The women &amp; GM play a course that is &gt;800 feet longer because they can't throw it over the water on many holes. It just doesn't seem right to hold a Women &amp; GM scores as the same as mens at those courses.

It's just an experiment, but my guessis the Mens ratings would be lower and the Women and GM would be significantly higher.

Come on Chuck, humor me :D

It's just an experiment, but my guess is the Mens ratings would be lower and the Women and GM would be significantly higher.


We've done it before and there wasn't much difference in comparison to the difference that might occur from wind from morning compared to afternoon. Here's what we've got for Round 1 comparing the average rating for the division with their average round rating. Your theory holds true for Round 1 assuming wind was constant over the day. But it looks like the Masters Women were able to "crush" those water holes...

MPO 978 982
FPO 900 879
FPM 866 875
MPM 965 961
MPG 951 935
MPS 909 894

Ironically, the popular theory out there is that you want to play in events with high rated players because you'll get better ratings. These results would tend to discredit that theory.

Traditionally the top players shoot about 30-40 pts higher than their rating every year at the Memorial...The same guys don't shoot 30-40 pts higher every year at other NT's. Of all the number crunching you do, you got to see that there a drastic bias in ratings at the Memorial every year. With as high total players count, if you just determine the MPO &amp; MPM ratings as group A, FPO, MGM, FPM ratings as group B then the ratings would be a little more accurate. Hey The Memorial is an awesome event, it's the best NT every year, it's kind of like a mini Major. It's our Daytona 500, the best one is first. If you want to give a little 10% bonus for the guys that's cool but the women are getting hosed

LETS GO DUDE! Devan the DUDE tied for 3rd, the young Lefty could make some noise this weekend. ;)

I've done some checking again and your claim doesn't hold up. Fountain has more treacherous water carries than Vista and the Women's ratings average no worse relative to Open. The Advanced Women are even better than the Advanced Men at Fountain in 2008.

It's probably EXACTLY for the reason Kevin described that the ratings are accurate. Because the women AREN'T trying to clear the water, they are scoring mor pars, wheras the lower rated men are getting lots of Extra strokes by going O.B.(I can personally attest to this, at the Memorial and Vegas) the better rated players go OB 3-4 times in 3 rounds, I go OB 11 times in 3 rounds, we throw only about 3 THROWS different, but show 50-60 ratings point different each round.

Plus with the pros playing Vista del Roller for the first round, all you need is a 300 foot straight shot to score 14 down. :eek:

Ironically, the popular theory out there is that you want to play in events with high rated players because you'll get better ratings. These results would tend to discredit that theory.



I think you do get better ratings by playing in tournaments with all highly rated players, but not because of the calculation itself, but because most players at the top level have slowed their improvement rate and are much more consistent

take for example the T-Town Winter Warm up, C tier on January 24th... I know several people in that tournament who are rated 40-50 points below their true skill level because they have only been playing a year or 2 and are improving very rapidly - we know that the ratings of rapidly improving players will lag behind a couple of updates, but what happens when you play a tournament with several of these rapidly improving players?

I'd be interested to see the ratings of those tournament results on the 24th if each division was calculated seperately

We've taken that improvement factor into account with an adjustment added to the formula a few years ago once we had enough data to determine it's effect. However, if you're betting on whether a 940 Grandmaster would win against a 940 amateur head-to-head, bet on the amateur with the possible exception if it's a really wooded course.

I don't doubt that, but I would say the improvement factor is limited, being some players improve faster than others, especially in different areas. Here down south in the Southern Nationals, most players play a lot of tournaments in between PDGA events, so when there is a PDGA event in the area, there are a lot more players than normal who are playing at a level much better than their rating indicates. The adjustment that was made can not take into account this large # of people playing much different than their actual rating.

Playing in a bigger tournament, like a NT event will usually generate higher ratings because there are enough high rated players to negate the effect of these few low rated good players who do attend... Its not always a huge difference, but its enough to be noticeable. After all, I went to the Players Cup and played bad, yet averaged above my rating...

These two courses are perfect examples of, How do you measure a hole? There are several holes that I look at a hyzer out over the water duece, that some are looking at a dog leg around the lake par 4. On top of that how many holes are in the range of 360-450, it's perfect for the kids, I think one of the youngster funksters could still this one this year.

I love the two courses, perfect stroll through a city park with lots of nice scenery, getting the first tan of the year :Ddamnit I'm [censored] I'm not there ...wtf...next year the return to the PHX feeeeer sure. :D

Kev, I had the exact same question you have about 6 or 7 years ago regarding the water carries on the Fountain layout impacting ratings. So we did a test and compared whether the SSA produced by the propagators at different rating levels would be different. As it turned out, the SSA produced by the pro divisions averaging around 975 rating was slightly higher than the SSA produced by the amateur propagators averaging around 875. That's the opposite of what you would expect.

Our only explanation which Keith mentioned upthread is that the higher level players who can and do go for it more agressively over water take just enough extra OB penalties to offset the longer routes with fewer OBs that many of the lower level players have to or choose to take.

John Child take over first!!!!!!!! fElDberger is behind 4 strokes!

with an ace =)

Belay my last :DNikko smokes everyone :Dand moves into first great job!

Miles moves up as well!

This has been a great tourney and tomorrow will be awesome to watch the final cards. I was having so much fun today at Vista that after my round, I was at the practice basket and left two Omega putters. I would greatly appreciate it if the discs are returned at the Lost and Found. The discs are marked Patrick, 858-405-95.. I'll be at Fountain Hill for the third round. Good luck to everyone tomorrow and bang them chains!

I see the live scoring page; is there a page where they're showing live VIDEO FEED today? (Sat.)

Only a couple of holes left...will Nikko be able to hold off Barry?

Looks like Barry missed his chance (while tied for 1st) on hole 9. Through holes 9 - 15 it's been the Nikko show. Only 3 to go, this one's going to one of the kids! Congrats to him!

4 strokes w/2 holes to go. Congrats Nikko!

I wonder how the 3rd card is doing. There wasn't much of a seperation at the start. I know Blazek was in 10th but only 5 off the lead. You never know...

True. Right now Nikko is 8 down with only 1 to go. Could someone bust a 12 or 13 and leap frog everyone?

Definately possible, but it looks like Nikko birdied the last hole. Sweet shooting!

Definately possible, but it looks like Nikko birdied the last hole. Sweet shooting!




Results are up!!!

Who were the qualifiers for the USDGC?

John Child
Devan Owens
Jeff Layland
Robbie Bratten
Bill Kohler

Hello Folks,
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This project is the start of what will be a dedicated effort to bring our National Tour (and other high-level events) to our membership in a timely (possibly even LIVE!) manner throughout this 2009 dg season.

Since we launched the Memorial Preview last Wednesday, our entire package of four clips has been viewed over 4100 times! That suggests that you are very interested in having more video on the site...and our PDGA Media group is dedicated to making this happen.

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Anybody have the link to Spinners website? I wanted to check the lost and found list, but it may not be all the way updated yet, as there were many found discs.

Good Stuff!


I am there next year for sure.

awesome week, thanks to all the TDs and staff for making it possible

Why were those that DNF'd removed from the TD report? Does that effect the Points awarded, or not?

If someone doesn't even start, they don't count for points. If you look at the Masters, you'll see players included who DNF'd after playing at least one round. They don't get points but they do count for those above them who did earn points. Those rounds will also get rated that they completed before DNFing.

That's what I was saying, some in Advanced DNF'd after first or second round, but they aren't on the report now.

Not sure but they may show up once the ratings are processed.