From David Hadder So Cal #214

To whom it may concern,

So Cal Disc Golf Association is in the process of restructuring the So Cal Series Points scoring system for 2009 and are looking for volunteers to join a committee to discuss any changes that will improve how we determine the So Cal Series Division Champions.

We are also actively accepting any suggestions from all So Cal members if you are unable to volunteer your time to join this recently formed committee. All e-mail's should be sent directly to BoomshadoATaol.com with the Subject listed as So Cal POINTS - 2009.

The new Points System recommendation will be presented on the So Cal web site before the annual awards ceremony in December, so that all current members can read the proposal and be prepared for the final membership vote at the So Cal Series Awards Ceremony and full membership meeting on December 14.


David Hadder
PDGA#10207
So Cal#214
Committee Chairman

UGH! I wanted all year to lead SoCal in total PDGA points, SoCal points and San Diego Aces points. I finally have achieved this, and I won't be able to hold it. My PDGA and SDA leads should hold, but my SoCal lead will be eclipsed for sure.

Anyone know when the 2009 Socal points will be updated? Last year they were updated pretty often, but not this year. Would like to know where I sit going into the last few events, aswell as where some others sit. If anyone knows please reply. I asked someone on the socal board months ago who said they were updating the list, but it still hasn't come out yet.

So Cal points for 2009 have been updated through US Masters. Super big thanks go to Rhett Stroh for doing the hard work. Now we are waiting for our webmaster to post it online. Cut and paste the links below and hopefully you should see the current standings.

Ams: file:///C:/Users/Suzette/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX00.445/SoCal_Points_2009_Ams.html

Pros: file:///C:/Users/Suzette/AppData/Local/Temp/Rar$EX04.012/SoCal_Points_2009_Pro.html

I doubt you guys can link to Suzette's C:\ drive :D, so try these for a sneak peak:


Here are the current SoCal Points through U.S. Masters. Please contact Suzette through the SoCal website ( http://socaldiscgolf.org/ (http://socaldiscgolf.org/) ) if you find any errors.

Pro Points:
http://docs.google.com/Doc<WBR>?docid=0AUXGldoaiTf_ZGd6cH<WBR>poNGNfMTk0Z2g1MmRm&hl=en (http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AUXGldoaiTf_ZGd6cHpoNGNfMTk0Z2g1MmRm&hl=en)

Am Points:
http://docs.google.com/Doc<WBR>?docid=0AUXGldoaiTf_ZGd6cH<WBR>poNGNfMmQ4Y2NxOGZ3&hl=en (http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AUXGldoaiTf_ZGd6cHpoNGNfMmQ4Y2NxOGZ3&hl=en)

Ask and you shall receive. Thanks for the update Rhett. Close race in a few divisions.

I doubt you guys can link to Suzette's C:\ drive :D, so try these for a sneak peak:


Here are the current SoCal Points through U.S. Masters. Please contact Suzette through the SoCal website ( http://socaldiscgolf.org/ (http://socaldiscgolf.org/) ) if you find any errors.

Pro Points:
http://docs.google.com/Doc<WBR>?docid=0AUXGldoaiTf_ZGd6cH<WBR>poNGNfMTk0Z2g1MmRm&hl=en (http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AUXGldoaiTf_ZGd6cHpoNGNfMTk0Z2g1MmRm&hl=en)

Am Points:
http://docs.google.com/Doc<WBR>?docid=0AUXGldoaiTf_ZGd6cH<WBR>poNGNfMmQ4Y2NxOGZ3&hl=en (http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AUXGldoaiTf_ZGd6cHpoNGNfMmQ4Y2NxOGZ3&hl=en)

What's the difference between the Series Column and the Totals Column?

What's the difference between the Series Column and the Totals Column?

Am Divisions:

Your best four finishes in a division are used to determine the So Cal Series standings. Highest number of points is the winner. Top Finishers will receive awards.

Cool, I like the way winner is decided, much more fair. Maybe we could incorporate this point system for the SD Aces.

Top four point totals for Ams and top five point totals for Pro are used to calculate your Series Points, and the SoCal Series Champ for each division is based on that.

Total Points is the, um, total of all tourneys played in that division. The Total Points are used for the initial invites to the SoCal Team for the yearly NorCal/SoCal Team Challenge in January.

Cool, I like the way winner is decided, much more fair. Maybe we could incorporate this point system for the SD Aces.

It wouldn't work as well for the Aces because someone may only play monthlies and not play the SoCal tourneys that are double weighted. So someone can play EIEIO, Spring Fling, SVO and Course Championship and win the Aces title without playing a monthly. No two point systems are exactly the same. NorCal's system is different than SoCal's but it works for them. The Aces points system is only two years old and doesn't seem to be flawed.

The Aces point system is good for the local scene to attract local players to play both in monthlies and PDGA events. I think as we have more courses available and more local PDGA events, we could consider moving to a tier level score system and not an accumulative system in the future. Just some thoughts.

Here are the current SoCal Points through U.S. Masters.
Wow Rhett, how on earth are you able to put all this together? I was trying to calculate my score throughout the year and it took a while for me to go through all the events and calculate my own score.

Thanks for doing this Rhett!

Good job Rhett! Go ahead and give yourself some extra points :)

EMM: Excel Macro Magic. :D


Please check your points for accuracy and let Suzette know about any errors you find. It looks like the SoCal site got updated complete with some tourney results.



You have to have a SoCal number listed in the individual tourney results in order to get points in the series summary. You also have to be a SoCal member at the start of a tourney to get points for that tourney. So if you are missing points for a particular tourney you played, it could be a number of things:

1) I missed you when I looked up your number, so you don't have a SoCal number listed in the tourney result.

2) I fat-fingered it and the SoCal number listed in the tourney result is incorrect.

3) The SoCal roster I received didn't have your correct renewal date.

4) You renewed your SoCal membership after that particular tourney.


If you find any of the first two errors, let me know and I'll fix it. Please be specific like "The results for Wintertime show me with a SoCal number of 172, but my number is really 127" instead of something vague like "I'm missing points you moron....fix it now!!!!"

Suzette will have to moderate the third one and make the call.

For the fourth one, that's just the way it is. :)

Can we get one more update before the Socal Championships? Just like to see where everyone sits going in. I like to think I save my best for the last tournament I will play this year.

This folder (http://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B0XGldoaiTf_YjFlN2JmMzYtODZmNC00ZjgzLWE1Z TktMzE4MzQzZWJjODg2&hl=en) contains all the tourney results and the point standings. The links in the overall 2009 Points document don't work here, so you have to click each file from this page.

Pro Standings (http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AUXGldoaiTf_ZGd6cHpoNGNfNmc4a3d0emRw&hl=en)

Am Standings (http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AUXGldoaiTf_ZGd6cHpoNGNfMjNkdGs0Z3Jncw&hl=en)

I added a column called "BP Avail", which is "Bonus Points Available". Those bonus points will be added to your total from the SoCal Finals in whatever division you play at the finals.

Bumping this in case anybody wants to check their points before this weekend.


This folder (http://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B0XGldoaiTf_YjFlN2JmMzYtODZmNC00ZjgzLWE1Z TktMzE4MzQzZWJjODg2&hl=en) contains all the tourney results and the point standings. The links in the overall 2009 Points document don't work here, so you have to click each file from this page.

Pro Standings (http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AUXGldoaiTf_ZGd6cHpoNGNfNmc4a3d0emRw&hl=en)

Am Standings (http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AUXGldoaiTf_ZGd6cHpoNGNfMjNkdGs0Z3Jncw&hl=en)

I added a column called "BP Avail", which is "Bonus Points Available". Those bonus points will be added to your total from the SoCal Finals in whatever division you play at the finals.

Points updated today to include some corrections and the SoCal Am Championships. Please post here if you can't view the files. (I think this will work.)

2009 SoCal Series Points (http://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B0XGldoaiTf_ZTc4ZGFkODItNjc1My00MzE3LWI3M jItNGU5YWRkOGVhMjRi&hl=en)

There could be errors, so check it out. :) They are considered final at the awards banquet.

Points updated today to include the SoCal Pro Championships.

2009 SoCal Series Points (http://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B0XGldoaiTf_ZTc4ZGFkODItNjc1My00MzE3LWI3M jItNGU5YWRkOGVhMjRi&hl=en)

There could be errors, so check it out. :) They are considered final at the awards banquet.

General question, since I'm newer to SoCal DG.

Coming from my experience in the CVS, has SoCal ever used a point system that was similar to the the CVS (or PGA or NASCAR for that matter) where 1st place gets the same number of points regarless of what tournament it is? The reason being that in this type of point system the smaller tournaments get bigger fields because you could go to tournament x and get 100 pts for a win and only beat 15 people, or go to tournament y and have to beat 30 people. What ends up happening is that the tournament that only has 15 people will have 25 the next year.

What I kind of like is a hybrid system that is say 100 pts for 1st place, and some sort of modifier for the field size. Like 1st place in a 34 person field would get 100 plus 10% of the number of players you beat, or 3 bonus points.

In the current point system really all that matters is how well you played in the 4 tournaments with the biggest fields. You could win 6 tournaments and get 5th in the four big events not even be a factor in the point race.

Thoughts?

I agree Golli! I do not prefer the top 4 finishes, because it is the 4 top "biggest" events that determine the champion instead of the overall year.

I agree Golli! I do not prefer the top 4 finishes, because it is the 4 top "biggest" events that determine the champion instead of the overall year.

I agree. You can look at this year's MA1 Series Champ for an example: he played 4 tournaments, the biggest four.

General question, since I'm newer to SoCal DG.

Coming from my experience in the CVS, has SoCal ever used a point system that was similar to the the CVS (or PGA or NASCAR for that matter) where 1st place gets the same number of points regarless of what tournament it is? The reason being that in this type of point system the smaller tournaments get bigger fields because you could go to tournament x and get 100 pts for a win and only beat 15 people, or go to tournament y and have to beat 30 people. What ends up happening is that the tournament that only has 15 people will have 25 the next year.

What I kind of like is a hybrid system that is say 100 pts for 1st place, and some sort of modifier for the field size. Like 1st place in a 34 person field would get 100 plus 10% of the number of players you beat, or 3 bonus points.

In the current point system really all that matters is how well you played in the 4 tournaments with the biggest fields. You could win 6 tournaments and get 5th in the four big events not even be a factor in the point race.

Thoughts?

So Cal had a volunteer committee review the So Cal Series points and make recommendations for changes for 2009. The committee in charge did review the So Cal, Nor Cal and CVS systems and decided each system had flaws. Little chance we would switch to the Nor Cal method where players simply need to play the most events to win. And the CVS system can be worked by players in smaller divisions. Simply go to the four smallest events and beat a couple of guys and you can get the same amount of points as another player that beat over 50 players in the biggest events.

That being said, if you are interested in winning the So Cal Series (especially in the larger divisions), there a few "must play" events. For the record - and for anyone interested in trying for a title in 2010 - the must play events are: Wintertime Open, Summertime Open and So Cal Championships. Wintertime Open Ams and Summertime Open are �must play� because they offer the largest fields and participation points and the So Cal Champs is �must play� for the ability to earn bonus points.




What is the fourth event that you regard as a must play? I do not see any one event that fit this on a year to year basis. But based on field size, it may be El Dorado PPO.

You and Evan are welcome to draft a complete points overhaul and present it to the BOD. Then it could be presented to the membership for a vote at next year's full membership meeting.

So Cal is always looking for ways to improve. Unfortunately, the current crew of volunteers does not have enough time available to tackle a new project like this. This would be a great way for those interested in improving So Cal DGA to step up and become involved. Every little bit helps.

I actually like the way the Socal Series points are awarded. Rather than potentially rewarding the player who played the most events (17 Socal events), you need to beat out the majority of your competition in your division. This can be accomplished by playing and doing well in four top Socal events with large field sizes. By limiting it to four events, it gives other players who may not be able to play all the top events a chance to still win the point series.

Based on this year's playing field in the events, it would be highly recommended if your going after the Series points, you would need to play in at least the 1) Socal Champs and 2) Coyote Classic. Other events with med-large field sizes include Yucaipa, Huntington Beach, Morley Field Spring Fling, Summertime Open, El Dorado, Goleta, Santa Maria, and Sun Valley Open.


If you were to take the top four players in MA1, review their head-to-head competition against each other and Socal title wins, here are the results:

Chad Dietz vs. Rocky Brown 4-0
Chad Dietz vs. John Ryan 1-1
Chad Dietz vs. Noah R. 2-1
Head-to-Head TOTAL 7-2
TITLE WINS 2 (Santa Maria, Coyote Classic)

Rocky Brown vs. Chad Dietz 0-4
Rocky Brown vs. John Ryan 4-3
Rocky Brown vs. Noah R. 3-2
Head-to-Head TOTAL 7-9
TITLE WINS 2 (Summertime Open, El Dorado)

John Ryan vs. Chad Dietz 1-1
John Ryan vs. Rocky Brown 3-4
John Ryan vs. Noah R. 2-2
Head-to-Head TOTAL 6-7
TITLE WINS (EIEIO)

Noah R. vs. Chad Dietz 1-2
Noah R. vs. Rocky Brown 2-3
Noah R. vs. John Ryan 2-2
Head-to-Head TOTAL 5-7
TITLE WINS (Yucaipa)

Not only did Chad win by the current Socal Series Point system, but he also beat the three players below in head-to-head, and tied Rocky Brown with Title Wins.

The four top players not only won by the Series Points, but also their finishing places is the same finishing places as their head-to-head finish.

Certainly John Ryan wins by total series points, but loses to Chad and Rocky in both Series Points, head-to-head, and Title Wins.

So, it seems the Socal Points system does seem to work even after reviewing different methods of placements.

That is interesting Patrick, thanks for posting it. I'm not suggesting that you do it, but I wonder if it works out that way for all divisions? I like the current SoCal points system. There should be a premium for playing in and doing well in the bigger SoCal events IMO.

It appears the same type of results happened in ALL the Am divisions and all but one Pro division. That is - the winner of each division, ultimately played better in head-to-head play than the runner ups.

In the Pro Masters race, the top finishers seemed to avoid head-to-head play and split some events. The best player won, but I can't explain how it happened. Hard to figure in the Cup factor.

After analyzing all the divisions, I believe the points system is working well and is fair. The proposed changes worked as designed - preventing ties among the top finishers. There were no ties in the top positions except for 5th place in Intermediate Men and Adv Grandmasters. Most other ties were in the 9th or 10th positions for the larger divisions. There was only one tie on the Pro side at 9th place Pro Master.


So, it seems to win the So Cal Series, you really only need to play better in head-to-head than your closest opponents (throughout the year). Which is as it should be. If you miss one or two big events, you can still do well. However, if you want the win, be sure not to miss the Championships.

That is interesting Patrick, thanks for posting it. I'm not suggesting that you do it, but I wonder if it works out that way for all divisions? I like the current SoCal points system. There should be a premium for playing in and doing well in the bigger SoCal events IMO. For our San Diego Aces Points we award double points for our main local events: EIEIO, Morley Field Spring Fling, Sun Valley open, and Morley Field Course Championship. I think on a local level this is a good idea to attract players to the bigger local events. For the Socal events, since everyone and the events are spread out, awarding extra points for certain events may not be the best idea. However, a player does receive bonus points (which are capped at 10pts) for playing in the Socal Champs, which I think if your going after the Socal Points, you should at least play in the Championship.

I was thinking you could reward extra points per the event tier, but in reality the field sizes are larger, and so you already receive more points playing at larger field sizes.

And the CVS system can be worked by players in smaller divisions. Simply go to the four smallest events and beat a couple of guys and you can get the same amount of points as another player that beat over 50 players in the biggest events.


The nice part of this type of system is that the smaller events start getting more players since ppl know that it's easier to get a win with a smaller field. I like how small places like Hanford and Taft fill up now in the CVS.

I would like to see some sort of system as follows:

1st = 100
2nd = 90 (10 point spread for 1st and 2nd)
3rd = 85
4th = 80
etc, etc.

Field size bonus: 10% add on for # of players beat

Example:

30 person field for easy math

1st - 100 + 0.1*(30-1) = 103
2nd - 90 +0.1*(30-2) = 93
3rd - 85 + 0.1*(30-3) = 88
4th - 80 + 0.1*(30-4) = 83
5th - 75 + 0.1*(30-5) = 78
6th - 70 +0.1*(30-6) = 72
7th - 65 + 0.1*(30-7) = 67

10 person field

1st - 100 + 0.1*(10-1) = 101
2nd - 90+0.1*(10-2) = 91
3rd - 85 + 0.1*(10-3) = 86
4th - 80 + 0.1*(10-4) = 81
5th - 75 + 0.1*(10-5) = 76
6th - 70 +0.1*(10-6) = 70

Here's the reasons I like it.

It takes the good part of the CVS and encourages participation in all events because they are all worth equal points. It takes the good part of SoCal where a win (or high finish) at a larger event gives you more points than at a smaller one and it gives finishing in the top 5 little bonus over 6-10 and 6-10 a little bonus over 11-15 and on down the line.

I also like the bonus participation points of the current SoCal system and that the CVS takes top 4 finishes and the finals to determine the overall champ.

Finally I like that the Finals are worth more points (say 125-150%) than the other tournaments because it's the the finals it should be our "major". It makes it a more dramatic finish to the year and gives guys that are chasing a chance to win the overall if all the right things happen. For example, points leaders choke and guy in 5th wins to edge them all out. Hooray! Cindarella story!

I'd be happy to present this system to the BOD (Board of Directors?). Being new down here I'm not really sure how to do that. Maybe it's too late anyway?

In the end, I really don't care how the point system is done, I'm just happy that there is a cool series that I can play in now and not have to drive all up and down the valley to do it.

The nice part of this type of system is that the smaller events start getting more players since ppl know that it's easier to get a win with a smaller field. I like how small places like Hanford and Taft fill up now in the CVS.

I would like to see some sort of system as follows:

1st = 100
2nd = 90 (10 point spread for 1st and 2nd)
3rd = 85
4th = 80
etc, etc.

Field size bonus: 10% add on for # of players beat

Example:

30 person field for easy math

1st - 100 + 0.1*(30-1) = 103
2nd - 90 +0.1*(30-2) = 93
3rd - 85 + 0.1*(30-3) = 88
4th - 80 + 0.1*(30-4) = 83
5th - 75 + 0.1*(30-5) = 78
6th - 70 +0.1*(30-6) = 72
7th - 65 + 0.1*(30-7) = 67

10 person field

1st - 100 + 0.1*(10-1) = 101
2nd - 90+0.1*(10-2) = 91
3rd - 85 + 0.1*(10-3) = 86
4th - 80 + 0.1*(10-4) = 81
5th - 75 + 0.1*(10-5) = 76
6th - 70 +0.1*(10-6) = 70

Here's the reasons I like it.

It takes the good part of the CVS and encourages participation in all events because they are all worth equal points. It takes the good part of SoCal where a win (or high finish) at a larger event gives you more points than at a smaller one and it gives finishing in the top 5 little bonus over 6-10 and 6-10 a little bonus over 11-15 and on down the line.

I also like the bonus participation points of the current SoCal system and that the CVS takes top 4 finishes and the finals to determine the overall champ.

Finally I like that the Finals are worth more points (say 125-150%) than the other tournaments because it's the the finals it should be our "major". It makes it a more dramatic finish to the year and gives guys that are chasing a chance to win the overall if all the right things happen. For example, points leaders choke and guy in 5th wins to edge them all out. Hooray! Cindarella story!

I'd be happy to present this system to the BOD (Board of Directors?). Being new down here I'm not really sure how to do that. Maybe it's too late anyway?

In the end, I really don't care how the point system is done, I'm just happy that there is a cool series that I can play in now and not have to drive all up and down the valley to do it.

Justin - Points were discussed at the annual membership meeting held last Sunday. Everyone in attendance agreed that the current system is working and no changes are necessary. However, you are more than welcome to present a new points system for consideration next year. Let me know if you want to organize a committee and I'll see if there are any volunteers that want to help.


BTW - Congratulations on earning 7th place in the 2009 So Cal Series. You need to pick up your award. I can send it with Zach or you can send me a PM and make other arrangements.

I would like to see some sort of system as follows:

1st = 100
2nd = 90 (10 point spread for 1st and 2nd)
3rd = 85
4th = 80
etc, etc.

Field size bonus: 10% add on for # of players beat

Example:

30 person field for easy math

1st - 100 + 0.1*(30-1) = 103
2nd - 90 +0.1*(30-2) = 93
3rd - 85 + 0.1*(30-3) = 88
4th - 80 + 0.1*(30-4) = 83
5th - 75 + 0.1*(30-5) = 78
6th - 70 +0.1*(30-6) = 72
7th - 65 + 0.1*(30-7) = 67

10 person field

1st - 100 + 0.1*(10-1) = 101
2nd - 90+0.1*(10-2) = 91
3rd - 85 + 0.1*(10-3) = 86
4th - 80 + 0.1*(10-4) = 81
5th - 75 + 0.1*(10-5) = 76
6th - 70 +0.1*(10-6) = 70

I understand your reasoning behind the point system you suggest, however the problem I find is that you are rewarding points based on placement at event vs. a player's overall playing experience over the entire field. It just doesn't sound right that a player gets 101 points for beating 10 players, while another player beats 30 players and only gets 103 points. A player could end up playing and winning in 4 small events and potentially win the Socal Series points without even playing against the top leaders in the division.

I haven't played with the numbers, but I would suggest rather than giving fractional points for # of players beaten, maybe use a whole number, so that at least the number of players beaten is factored in more heavily.

BTW - Congratulations on earning 7th place in the 2009 So Cal Series. You need to pick up your award. I can send it with Zach or you can send me a PM and make other arrangements. Prizes for 7th place, maybe I won a prize Suzette?

If you are on the list, you have won an award and need to make arrangements to claim your prize.

Advanced Men

Champion - Chad Dietz
2nd - Rocky Brown
3rd - Noah Rodriguez
4th - John Ryan
5th - John Tompkins
6th - Bert Cotton
7th - Justin Golliher
8th Wesley Valiant
9th - Jake Wills
10th - Aaron von matre
10th - Juan Lopez
12th - Michael Ballestas

Apparently I will have to input each division as cut and paste is exceeding the character limit.

Advanced Women

Champion - Indigo Brude
2nd Place - Kerrie Shipske
3rd Place - Laurie Stroh

Advanced Masters

Champion - Mark Hauser
2nd Place - Randy Wylot
3rd Place - Chris Carpenter
4th Place - Mike Kvasnicka
5th Place John Babin
6th Place Chris Calleton
7th Place - Mike Bass

Advanced Grandmaster Men

Champion - David Hadder
2nd Place - Eric Simmons
3rd Place - Jim Ditch
4th Place - Dennis Yoshitake
5th Place - Mike Baldwin
5th Place - Bill Ashe

Advanced Grandmaster Women

Champion - Lauri Stroh
2nd Place - Yvonne Jamison

Intermediate Women

Champion - Michelle Wade
2nd Place - Rita Nash

Intermediate Men

Champion - Chris Ragsdale
2nd Place - Aaron HeHe
3rd Place - Roger Snider
4th Place - John Berg
5th Place - Patrick Paramore
6th Place - Andrew Choate
7th Place - John Curtis

Recreational Women

Champion - Sandy Houston
2nd Place - Esther Kalbfleisch

Recreational Men

Champion - Ryan Osborn
2nd Place - Roger Rector
3rd Place - Dave Ventress
4th Place - Brian newmark
5th Place - Michael Hole
6th Place - Dean Bushik
7th Place - Mike Bass

Novice Men

Champion - Leon Kalbfleisch
2nd Place - Gilbert Rabago
3rd Place - John Gregori

Junior under 13

Samuel Maury-Holmes

Junior under 10

Joel Maury-Holmes

There are also awards for all the So Cal Series Tournament Directors.

If you were a So Cal Series TD in 2009 or top finisher (your name is on the lists above), please make arrangements to pick up your awards. So Cal does not have the ability to ship these, which is pretty much why we host the Awards Ceremony in the first place - so we can hand out awards in person and take the time to publicly honor all winners and volunteers.

Besides, the Tri-Tip and chicken dinner was awesome!!

Special thanks go out to the Sylmar crew for hosting the disc golf event and to all the staff at the Sylmar Moose Lodge for making this another successful Year end event.

Cool. Thx Suzette. What did we (TDs) win?

Looking forward to 2010. Any plans for a tourney at that new course?

I understand your reasoning behind the point system you suggest, however the problem I find is that you are rewarding points based on placement at event vs. a player's overall playing experience over the entire field. It just doesn't sound right that a player gets 101 points for beating 10 players, while another player beats 30 players and only gets 103 points. A player could end up playing and winning in 4 small events and potentially win the Socal Series points without even playing against the top leaders in the division.


Yeah it seems strange, but the point is to entice players to go to smaller events for the chance to get good points. Like I said, in the CVS, using this type of system, the small tournaments of the past are no longer small. All the events are filling up which is a new thing for the CVS. I think it sucks that, for example, Rocky won ElDo and it didn't even count in his overall points because the field wasn't large enough.


I haven't played with the numbers, but I would suggest rather than giving fractional points for # of players beaten, maybe use a whole number, so that at least the number of players beaten is factored in more heavily.

I thought about that, but then the points would work out essentially the same as the current system, there would just be larger spreads between 1st and 10th. I was trying to come up with a method that would be a hybrid of the CVS and SoCal systems. Maybe instead of 10% it's 50% or something like that. I just think that all the tournaments should have a chance to count in the overall points, not just the 4 biggest ones.

Also to reiterate, I don't have a problem with the current system, my original post was more of a informational probe than anything. When push comes to shove, I'd much rather see an event at Whittier than a change to the point system.:D

Let me know if you want to organize a committee and I'll see if there are any volunteers that want to help.

Sure I'd be willing to take a stab at it. We don't really need to worry about it until Sept or so, but if there are others that want to work on it I'm game. If anyone has any suggestions on different systems they could PM me and maybe I'll just start collecting data for now and maybe put something together for 2011.

Cool. Thx Suzette. What did we (TDs) win?

Looking forward to 2010. Any plans for a tourney at that new course?


The awards for Tournament Directors were not just for the TD's, but also their key volunteers. TD's received the same item(s) that the top points finishers earned - the new So Cal Teeshirt and/or hoodie. The only way you can sport one of these awesome shirts or hoodies is if you were a top points finisher, Tournament Director or key volunteer in 2009.

We will see if anyone steps up to volunteer to host a new So Cal Series event at Prado. However, I can tell you that next year's Year End Event and So Cal Series Award banquet will be held in the banquet hall at Prado. It was very disappointing that our purposeful move to host the event in Sylmar this year - closer to our northern members - was unsuccessful in getting them to attend.

A special thanks goes to all our Champions, top finishers and TD's that did take the time to attend the awards banquet. Everyone that came had a great time, won a raffle prize and enjoyed the totally awesome food from the Disc Golf Ninjas. Those guys Roc! It is so much easier to present awards in person than to try to track down folks after the fact.

I would like to volunteer to be on said committee. I like Justin's idea and while it does need some adjustments, I agree with him that the points series needs to be changed so that it doesn't just reward the players who played best in the 4 biggest fields of the year.

Using my year in 2008 as an example, I played a boatload of tournaments (more than any other qualifying am even with the injury) and although no wins I had 4 top 5's and tons of cashes. I had more total points then anyone at the time of my injury but because I couldn't play Coyote or SoCal, I finished 20th, after being 4th overall at the time of my injury. Not calling anyone out, but I had a better year in SoCal then lots of the people that beat me in the series only because I couldn't play the two biggest fields.

Obviously this is the fault of the system. Not rewarding wins because the field was under the total field size of the top 4 events is the fault of the system, and I believe it should be changed. Based on what Suzette has said, it's too late to do anything about this for 2010. But we have a full year to get it right for 2011.

Also to reiterate, I don't have a problem with the current system, my original post was more of a informational probe than anything. When push comes to shove, I'd much rather see an event at Whittier than a change to the point system.:D

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When push comes to shove, I'd much rather see an event at Whittier than a change to the point system.:D

Did someone say TD?

SoCal B.O.D.,

i was one of the points winners from 2009 and i never heard from anybody until well after the awards ceremony took place. it has taken time and effort searching thru discussion boards to find this out. i would like to receive my earned prize and have tried contacting you guys via the website more than once but have never received any correspondence back. this is very disheartening and makes me question the legitimacy of the organization. i would like to signup again and become a 2010 member, but this situation and lack of communication is deterring me from doing so. please address these issues...not only for my sake, but for the sake of the organization.

concerned member,
Aaron

SoCal B.O.D.,

i was one of the points winners from 2009 and i never heard from anybody until well after the awards ceremony took place. it has taken time and effort searching thru discussion boards to find this out. i would like to receive my earned prize and have tried contacting you guys via the website more than once but have never received any correspondence back. this is very disheartening and makes me question the legitimacy of the organization. i would like to signup again and become a 2010 member, but this situation and lack of communication is deterring me from doing so. please address these issues...not only for my sake, but for the sake of the organization.

concerned member,
Aaron

I apologize that you were not aware that the top So Cal Series points finishers receive awards at the Year End Banquet. The date for the Year End Awards Banquet was posted on the So Cal website schedule for all of 2009 and was announced during the So Cal Championships. The links to the 2009 So Cal Series Points were posted to the So Cal website soon after the So Cal Championships and show the top finishers in each division.

That being said, your award was given to someone to deliver to you. They graciously volunteered to deliver awards for several San Diego area winners. I will follow up to see why your award has not yet been delivered to you.

I am the one that receives all inquiries from the website and apologize that I have not seen any emails from you on this subject. I have been receiving emails from others using our website links. Please let me know what link or email address you were using, so the problem can be corrected.

In the meantime, please send me an email with your email and phone number and I will pass it along to the volunteer who has your award. discetteATchartermiDOTnet.