11/22 MO-TOWN
12/06 TAFT
12/20 CHRISTMAS OPEN
01/03 VISALIA
01/17 FRIZZNO
01/31 HANFORD
02/14 SKULLMASTER DISASTER
02/28 BAKO
03/07 sTOCKTOWN
03/21 FINALS: VISALIA(MOONEY GROVE PARK)
NEXT YEAR THE FINALS WILL BE @ THE FID/O-10

Chuck Woody and the boys in Visalia are putting together a fundraiser shirt for the Finals. Please support the CVS with a sweet purchase of a CVS Tee. All proceeds will benefit the Finals.

Thanks for posting the information, Kenny. And congratulations on your NorCal Finals win and the overall points win! :D

See you at MoTown, if not earlier.
Cheers,
Steve

Thanks, Steve.

BTW, it looks like there is a schedule conflict on Mar 21. That will be the norcal date for the St. Patrick's in OV. Looks like the CVS Finals will have to move to March 28. Keep posted.

Pre Reg List Fall Classic Modesto 08
30 Signed up

Advanced
John Lambert
Ryan Carroll
Tom Chacon
Jeffrey Yunker

Am Masters
Steve Leroy
Jack Kaufusi

Am Grand Master
Ed Thompson
Mike Corbett

Intermediate
Elec Pryor
Chad Santos
Andy Parkison
Chad Stapleton
Steve Golding
Calvin Stapleton
Matthew Marcis
Darrell Blanks
Brian Hogg

Am Women
Carrie Boggs
Victoria Bruss
Amy Yunker
Paula Loeffler

Juniors
Spencer Blanks

Open
Josh Sappenfield
Chuck Woody
Jason JFED Johnson

Open Masters
Jim Oates
Mike Mattos
Ray Birch
Rich Koski

Open Grandmasters
Tim McClary

There is no such thing as open master or grandmaster. :p

That would be correct for the PDGA guidelines. ;)

That would be correct for the PDGA guidelines. ;)



Cool - If any age could play any division in your series, I'm going to move to Cali, cuz I could kick some serious butt in the Legends Division. :D

Give it some thought. Next year we have enough for a seniors division in CVS and Nor Cal

Keith, you actually have to be a legend to play Legends. A pepsi legend doesn't count!! :D

Keith, you actually have to be a legend to play Legends. A pepsi legend doesn't count!! :D



What Kieth implies is that "OPEN" is just that...OPEN to any and all.

The correct terms would be:
Pro Open
Pro Masters
Pro Grandmasters
etc..........

:D

AND since when does the CVS follow PDGA guidelines... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D

What Kieth implies is that "OPEN" is just that...OPEN to any and all.





no duh!

Hi Mike,

Where is the flyer? I need to sign up and mail in a check!
Thanks,
Steve

try www.disctribution.com (http://www.disctribution.com)

Thanks Kenny! Mailing my reg fees today. See you then!
Steve

My reg is in for Modesto.

I'm hoping to make:

Modesto
Orangevale
Visalia
Carmichael-Skullmaster

I have conflicts with the other dates. Oh well.

Kenny: What is "THE FID/O-10"?

Thanks, Steve.
BTW, it looks like there is a schedule conflict on Mar 21. That will be the norcal date for the St. Patrick's in OV. Looks like the CVS Finals will have to move to March 28. Keep posted.



It looks like:
FINALS April 4th - VISALIA - Chuck Woody (559)635-0267
(from disctribution.com)

I have conflicts with the other dates. Oh well.

Kenny: What is "THE FID/O-10"?



Are they NorCal conflicts? I haven't seen a norcal schedule.

The Fid/10 is Fiddleneck at New Hogan Dam with the CVS Finals there in 2010.

Are they NorCal conflicts? I haven't seen a norcal schedule.




I haven't seen a NorCal schedule yet, either. Jenny will wait until after the PDGA schedule is released to reps before finalizing the dates for NorCal stuff.

My conflicts are personal obligations.

Keith, you actually have to be a legend to play Legends. A pepsi legend doesn't count!! :D



What Kieth implies is that "OPEN" is just that...OPEN to any and all.

The correct terms would be:
Pro Open
Pro Masters
Pro Grandmasters
etc..........

:D

AND since when does the CVS follow PDGA guidelines... /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

:D



Do we have to do this every year Mike?

Do we have to do this every year Mike?



Hey now, it was KL who made the reference to NOT following the PDGA giudelines...

I was all smiles.....
:D

Hey now! I didn't refer to anything. You inferred. :)

Pre Reg List Fall Classic Modesto 08
47 Signed up

Advanced
John Lambert
Ryan Carroll
Tom Chacon
Jeffrey Yunker
Dave Bear
Eric Crespo

Am Masters
Steve Leroy
Jack Kaufusi
Richard Henderson
Randy Hixon
Allan Adair
Doug Johnson

Am Grand Master
Ed Thompson
Mike Corbett
Marc Fehring

Intermediate
Elec Pryor
Chad Santos
Andy Parkison
Chad Stapleton
Steve Golding
Calvin Stapleton
Matthew Marcis
Darrell Blanks
Brian Hogg
Jason Troglin
Dylan Ball

Am Women
Carrie Boggs
Victoria Bruss
Amy Yunker
Paula Loeffler

Juniors
Spencer Blanks

Open
Josh Sappenfield
Chuck Woody
Jason JFED Johnson
Shane Robinson
Mike Lee

Masters
Jim Oates
Mike Mattos
Ray Birch
Rich Koski
Skull Brown
Matt Kelly
Greg Zimmerman




Grandmasters
Tim McClary
Del Silva
Ernie Valdez

Open Women
Lacy Robinson

Hey now! I didn't refer to anything. You inferred. :)



:D

Magilla,
How's the powder up north?

Mike C.,
You can add me to the Granny list. I paid Tee-Mac on Sat at The Fid.

Magilla,
How's the powder up north?




:p As shown on the "live Cam" on my avitar.....

Its still a bit "dusty".. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
What snow we had has melted off already......

More on the way next week... :D

Your avatar is clouding up!

Hi Mike C.,

Any chance of an update on the pre-reg players thus far? Hopefully you have my check in hand by now...

See you in 3 weeks!
Steve

Pre Reg List Fall Classic Modesto 08
72 Signed up

Advanced 9
John Lambert
Ryan Carroll
Tom Chacon
Jeffrey Yunker
Dave Bear
Eric Crespo
Manuel Oliver
Quantreal Nixon
Damian Ariola

Am Masters 10
Steve Leroy
Jack Kaufusi
Richard Henderson
Randy Hixon
Allan Adair
Doug Johnson
Gil Houge
Damon McDonough
Mike Slupecki
Bob Brown

Am Grand Master 3
Ed Thompson
Mike Corbett
Marc Fehring

Intermediate 20
Elec Pryor
Chad Santos
Andy Parkison
Chad Stapleton
Steve Golding
Calvin Stapleton
Matthew Marcis
Darrell Blanks
Brian Hogg
Jason Troglin
Dylan Ball
Josh Chandler
Chris Camus op 10
Davie Loforty
Paul Smith
Matthew Sebastian
Christos Hughes
Eric Jones
Joe Greer
Tony Catania

Am Women 5
Carrie Boggs op 10
Victoria Bruss
Amy Yunker
Paula Loeffler
Harfijah Oliver

Juniors 1
Spencer Blanks

Open 8
Josh Sappenfield
Chuck Woody
Jason JFED Johnson
Shane Robinson
Mike Lee
Demarcus McCloud
John Kitchen
Bob Pauly

Masters 10
Jim Oates
Mike Mattos
Ray Birch
Rich Koski
Skull Brown
Matt Kelly
Greg Zimmerman
Steve Duncan
Mike Tirey
Steve Lonhart


Grandmasters 4
Tim McClary
Del Silva
Ernie Valdez
Kenny Lee

Open Women 2
Lacy Robinson
Staci Pauly

Your avatar is clouding up!



That has changed... :D

What hill is that in your avatar?

Also Xmas Open flier can be had at http://www.disctribution.com/forums/

I would guess Mt. Hood.

Thanks Mike C. for the update! Looking forward to it!
Steve

I would guess Mt. Hood.



AND you would be wrong......... :p

That is Mt Bachelor...Live cam from the Pine Martin Lodge at 7777'
:D

Mt Bachelor Conditions (http://www.mtbachelor.com/winter/services/dor)

A short 16 mile drive away..... :D

Opening Day is in 17 days...BUT if it keeps snowing like it is now...a hike may be in order :cool:

It has snowed 4" at my house overnight and its still coming down..... /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Well, it was just a guess. It's not quite as big as Mt. Stockton (hole #4).

I heard on Saturdays that is the highest place in Stockton! :D

CVS Modesto Pre Reg 95 people. Next 10 are in, earliest postmark decides who. After that wait list. Probably to late to mail in now.

Pre Reg List Fall Classic Modesto 08
95 Signed up


Advanced 13
John Lambert
Ryan Carroll
Tom Chacon
Jeffrey Yunker
Eric Crespo
Manuel Oliver
Quantreal Nixon
Damian Ariola
Duane Fuller
Bob �O� Pankow
Robert Morrel
Jeremy Cole
Scott Kidwell

Am Masters 14
Steve Leroy
Dave Bear
Jack Kaufusi
Richard Henderson
Randy Hixon
Allan Adair
Doug Johnson
Gil Houge
Damon McDonough
Mike Slupecki
Bob Brown
Bryan Thies
Jim White
Steve Revering

Am Grand Master 5
Ed Thompson
Mike Corbett
Marc Fehring
Eric MacBean
Brian White

Intermediate 26
Elec Pryor
Chad Santos
Andy Parkison
Chad Stapleton
Steve Golding
Calvin Stapleton
Matthew Marcis
Darrell Blanks
Brian Hogg
Jason Troglin
Dylan Ball
Josh Chandler
Chris Camus op 10
Davie Loforty
Paul Smith
Matthew Sebastian
Christos Hughes
Eric Jones
Joe Greer
Tony Catania
Mark Fabela
Brent Bear
Michael Brookhouser
Nick Lionudakis
Kenny �Hooker� Little
Dash McClary

Am Women 8
Carrie Boggs op 10
Victoria Bruss
Amy Yunker
Paula Loeffler
Harfijah Oliver
Sheri Ward
Roxanne Hudson
Suzie Kidwell

Juniors 1
Spencer Blanks

Open 8
Josh Sappenfield
Chuck Woody
Jason JFED Johnson
Shane Robinson
Mike Lee
Demarcus McCloud
John Kitchen
Bob Pauly

Masters 10
Jim Oates
Mike Mattos
Ray Birch
Rich Koski
Skull Brown
Matt Kelly
Greg Zimmerman
Steve Duncan
Mike Tirey
Steve Lonhart



Grandmasters 7
Tim McClary
Del Silva
Ernie Valdez
Kenny Lee
Smokin Joe Oloveria
Jeff Michener
Dan Rea

Open Women 3
Lacy Robinson
Staci Pauly
Serina Gomez

sorry, next 15 are in

Jeff Michener is a pro master.

The Tournament is full and sold out. Any further entries received will be added to the wait list according to post mark.

Pre Reg List Fall Classic Modesto 08
110 Signed up

Advanced 15
John Lambert
Ryan Carroll
Tom Chacon
Jeffrey Yunker
Eric Crespo
Manuel Oliver
Quantreal Nixon
Damian Ariola
Duane Fuller
Bob �O� Pankow
Robert Morrel
Jeremy Cole
Scott Kidwell
Arno Lopez
Craig �Krash� Gustafson

Am Masters 15
Steve Leroy
Dave Bear
Jack Kaufusi
Richard Henderson
Randy Hixon
Allan Adair
Doug Johnson
Gil Houge
Damon McDonough
Mike Slupecki
Bob Brown
Bryan Thies
Jim White
Steve Revering
Johnny Blue

Am Grand Master 6
Ed Thompson
Mike Corbett
Marc Fehring
Eric MacBean
Brian White
Greg Place

Intermediate 29
Elec Pryor
Chad Santos
Andy Parkison
Chad Stapleton
Steve Golding
Calvin Stapleton
Matthew Marcis
Darrell Blanks
Brian Hogg
Jason Troglin
Dylan Ball
Josh Chandler
Chris Camus op 10
Davie Loforty
Paul Smith
Matthew Sebastian
Christos Hughes
Eric Jones
Joe Greer
Tony Catania
Mark Fabela
Brent Bear
Michael Brookhouser
Nick Lionudakis
Kenny �Hooker� Little
Dash McClary
Devin Welch
Beau Place
Nick Dison

Am Women 9
Carrie Boggs op 10
Victoria Bruss
Amy Yunker
Paula Loeffler
Harfijah Oliver
Sheri Ward
Roxanne Hudson
Suzie Kidwell
Tara Lilly

Juniors 1
Spencer Blanks

Open 8
Josh Sappenfield
Chuck Woody
Jason JFED Johnson
Shane Robinson
Mike Lee
Demarcus McCloud
John Kitchen
Bob Pauly

Masters 15
Jim Oates
Mike Mattos
Ray Birch
Rich Koski
Skull Brown
Matt Kelly
Greg Zimmerman
Steve Duncan
Mike Tirey
Steve Lonhart
Jeff Michener
Beano
Kevin Couch
Dave Avery
Mike Wallace


Grandmasters 8
Tim McClary
Del Silva
Ernie Valdez
Kenny Lee
Smokin Joe Oloveria
Dan Rea
Jim Schultz
Mark Farrar

Open Women 4
Lacy Robinson
Staci Pauly
Serina Gomez
Jennifer Smith



Wait List
1. Rex Mendenhall
2. Chay Nance

Wait List as of 11/10/08

1. Rex Mendenhall Am. GM
2. Chay Nance Int.
3. Billy Pearson Adv.
4. Kevin Crowell Int.
5. Lacey Crowell Am. Women
6. Michael Crowell Junior
7. Dwayne Madden Am. Master
8. Jeff Wilcox Int.
9 Jeremy Simmons Adv.

Modesto Map (http://www.disctribution.com/forums/2008CourseMap.3%5B1%5D.pdf)

Wait List as of 11/12/08 wait list is closed no more names will be added.

1. Rex Mendenhall Am. GM
2. Chay Nance Int.
3. Billy Pearson Adv.
4. Kevin Crowell Int.
5. Lacey Crowell Am. Women
6. Michael Crowell Junior
7. Dwayne Madden Am. Master
8 Jeremy Simmons Adv.
9. John Lupinski Open Master
10. Kimmerlein Adv. Master
11. Ben Boylan Adv.

Modesto CVS Opener Raffle

As always there will be a killer raffle after the tournament. Bring your $$ for tickets. At least two baskets, Kings Tickets, a Surround Sound speaker system, a 3 wheel disc golf cart. lots of discs, shirts beer schwagg and more.
All players get a players package and lunch is included.
Rumor has it that the pads might get poured for the back holes in spite of the construction. Hopefully. Tournamnet Central will be in the main area of the park by the Tennis courts at the pavilion, not up top like last year. be on time for check in and players meeting. We won't wait for you.

CHECK IN TIME for the Fall Classic is 7:15 am to 8:15am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REPLACE NO-SHOWS from WAITING LIST is 8:15am to 8:30!!!!!
PLAYERS' MEETING is 8:30!!!!!!!!!!!!

I would guess Mt. Hood.



AND you would be wrong......... :p

That is Mt Bachelor...Live cam from the Pine Martin Lodge at 7777'
:D

Mt Bachelor Conditions (http://www.mtbachelor.com/winter/services/dor)

A short 16 mile drive away..... :D

Opening Day is in 17 days...BUT if it keeps snowing like it is now...a hike may be in order :cool:

It has snowed 4" at my house overnight and its still coming down..... /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif



Isn't there a place called Hoodo or something like that that isn't as "corporate" as Mt. B?

CHECK IN TIME for the Fall Classic is 7:15 am to 8:15am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
REPLACE NO-SHOWS from WAITING LIST is 8:15am to 8:30!!!!!
PLAYERS' MEETING is 8:30!!!!!!!!!!!!


Will there be a keg?

There will be a keg.





After you pick it up at BevMo and tap it for us. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I would guess Mt. Hood.



AND you would be wrong......... :p

That is Mt Bachelor...Live cam from the Pine Martin Lodge at 7777'
:D

Mt Bachelor Conditions (http://www.mtbachelor.com/winter/services/dor)

A short 16 mile drive away..... :D

Opening Day is in 17 days...BUT if it keeps snowing like it is now...a hike may be in order :cool:

It has snowed 4" at my house overnight and its still coming down..... /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif



Isn't there a place called Hoodo or something like that that isn't as "corporate" as Mt. B?



Oh Yea...
Its in the Santiam Pass between Eugene & Bend.
Here it is..

HooDoo (http://www.hoodoo.com/)

Fun place...Cheap Tuesdays ROCK.

Hodag Chair has SWEET terrain.
ALOT lower in Elevation than Bachelor, though
:D

The Christmas Open in Orangevale is filling fast...better get those reggies in.

Thanks to everyone who helped with the Fall Classic. :cool:

Congratulations to you, Tim, and all of the Modesto golfers that helped put on another excellent event! I had a great time and appreciate all the hard work you do to make this a smooth-running event. And thanks for providing the lunch--I think everyone appreciates having some good food to eat on site and included in our fees.

See you at Orangevale!
Steve :)

PS Is John Lambert going to post the scores? I forgot to take pictures of the final standings. Marty's site is being updated, but should be operational soon. But I like having all the stuff on one site (disctribution): flyers, scores, schedule.

Scores for Modesto are up at www.disctribution.com (http://www.disctribution.com)

Lambo is all over it at www.disctribution.com (http://www.disctribution.com)

He's not in it for the money, he's in it for the love of disc golf. They are doing great things in central CA. with the addition of more golf holes all of the time. They have enough courses to have a Worlds there. :cool:

I made a couple of mistakes that I want to try to correct here. Mike Corbett and Rich Koski made the tournament easy for me. I wish I had given them props at the Players' meeting. Mike organized the pre-reg and the lunch and the raffle like a professional promoter. Rich's contribution was huge. He designed the stellar colored disc for the trophies, the score cards and dyed so many discs. He organized the am payout and handled the disc order and spent the day making sure people could get one of a kind dyed discs. These guys were and are invaluable to tournaments in Modesto.

what??? second place??? say it aint so kenny lee /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :eek: :D

It is "so", Mr Toad! :D

The Christmas Open is FULL.

Pictures of the Fall Classic

http://picasaweb.google.com/Teemac57/FallClassic20082009?authkey=LGOYh1OFdgQ# :D

Hi John,

Thanks for posting the CVS Xmas open results so quickly on disctribution.com! :D

Can you remind me how ties work for CVS overall points? Looks like I got the short end of the stick in Masters for being tied in 2nd place. I think both players get the same score if tied. And if a tie-break is needed, I ended up winning the 2nd place trophy in play-off. But I think both Mike and I get 95 pts. Then I think Harold and Ray get 85 each, since they also tied... But if you could pass along the policy, I'd appreciate it.

Have a Merry Christmas!
Steve

Don't expect the trophy to be the tie-breaker; ties will be broken at the finals.
As for the tourney, I thought it was awesome. Sunny weather kept me warm, as well as the many layers I wore.
I thought the rounds ran smoothly and we finished before the sun set. That's not easy to run a tourney on basically the shortest day of the year.
Hope everyone that tried it liked the baklava!! :cool:
Mitch Carbone with the only ace: #18.
V-town Throwdown is next on the list for the CVS.
Looking forward to St. Patty's at OV, also. KL

Sounds like we won't hear any KAWing at Mooney Grove. :(

How can it "sound" like you don't hear anything? :confused:
Check's in the mail! :p

Hi Kenny,

Sorry if I was confusing. I meant to say that ties need to be dealt with so points can be awarded at the end of each single tournament. Whether players with tied scores get the same point value OR get an average of all the points they tied for--makes no difference to me. But one system must be used to determine point totals, and that needs to be done prior to the finals so players can see where they stand. I know my participation in at least one event will be based on whether I feel I can upgrade in points or not.... :D

Since this comes up every season, it would be nice to have some CVS standard 'system' that is agreed to prior to the start of the season, and then post it somewhere so all players have access to it. I think the CVS TDs should agree on a system prior to next season and then post it on a couple of message boards in October 2009.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! See you at V-town.
Steve

I think the CVS TDs should agree on a system prior to next season and then post it on a couple of message boards in October 2009.


Steve



This is exactly what I hope to have established before next year when the finals will be at Fiddleneck. HNY

Thanks Kenny! And Finals at Fiddleneck in 2010--I love that idea!! Woohoo! :D
Steve

So Kevin Randall wins Pro Masters in Hanford and gets 100 points in Pro Grand Masters? There was not Pro Grand Master division in Hanford so how can he get points for that division? That doesn't follow any logic that I can see. Can some one explain this?

From what I could tell from the results sheets given to me by the TD, Kevin played in the Grandmasters division by himself. Although, because he was by himself, he played with a group of Masters. Therefore, according to the TD, Kevin wins his division. Although I'm not really sure how legit a one man division is, I don't think it's my place to challenge the TD's decision.

I couldn't agree more that all TD's should talk and iron out some rules, or regulations, if rules is too harsh of a word. :p

Ray Birch, who took 2nd to Kevin in Masters, didn't even know he won or anything about White Trash being in another division.
In an earlier tourney (Taft, I believe) Kevin was again the only GM and had to play Masters (which he won and got points for Masters). Totally inconsistant scoring going on in this series. It's embarrassing. :o

So are we going to let it slide? Just do nothing? I don't think we should let the scoring go one way earlier in the season and then do it differently later in the season. I know there isn't anything written, but it has been understood that there has to be enough players (4 or at least 3) to make a division. I think awarding White Trash points for a division that isn't represented at a tournament is unfair to those who earned their points against players from that division. There has been plenty of times when older players play in a younger division because there were not enough to make a division. Ask Mike Corbett. Controversy is the last thing we want when we play disc golf tournaments and nobody wants to create hard feelings, but I believe that in fairness to all we should try to correct this inconsistency this season.

Well I think Ed should be talked to. The only thing I do is input the points based on what the TD gives me.

I did create a list of ideas for some rules at http://www.disctribution.com/forums/showthread.php?t=596 check it out, print it out, change things, and bring your own version to the TD meeting at finals. If enough TD's sign off on the rules we can have something set in stone for next year. As far as this year, it's possible to retroactively fix all the points ties, divisional points issues, etc. But we have no arbitrator, and no rules to refer to if someone has an issue with fixes.

Hey John, I saw the proposed rules and think you gave us a good starting point. Some things will change but we have to start somewhere. I talked to Mike Corbett and he said I should bring it to Guido's attention and see what he thinks. Thanks for framing the rules and I especially like the point about fliers.

Flyers will be mandatory!!

So Kevin Randall wins Pro Masters in Hanford and gets 100 points in Pro Grand Masters? There was not Pro Grand Master division in Hanford so how can he get points for that division? That doesn't follow any logic that I can see. Can some one explain this?



There is no logic and it would be downright unfair if the points go towards a division that did not exist at that tournament. My guess is that is was requested to the TD without being discussed thoroughly with EVERYBODY who has a stake.

I think the CVS should have some rules--but only where they are exceptions to what we normally do for sanctioned PDGA events. I think it is fairly standard that you need at least 3 players to make a division (the exception, in some cases, has been for women). If your division has <3 players, then you play in the next level or you get a refund. End of story.

I also noticed in the overall points standings that it is the number of tournaments you attend, irrespective of division, that counts towards your total. I think this is the way it should be. So, for example, if you play MPM 3 times and MPO 2 times, you've met the minimum of 5 tournaments to qualify for the finals. Then the player chooses which division to play in the finals. They will have no chance of winning the overall, but they can still win cash on the day of the finals. And yes, it is true that their "tax" was not strictly given to one division, so the finals payout would favor one division and not the other. But that's a small difference, and I think there will be few people that fall into this category.

I'll check out the rule suggestions submitted by John.

Cheers,
Steve

...the number of tournaments you attend, irrespective of division, that counts towards your total. I think this is the way it should be. So, for example, if you play MPM 3 times and MPO 2 times, you've met the minimum of 5 tournaments to qualify for the finals. Then the player chooses which division to play in the finals. They will have no chance of winning the overall, but they can still win cash on the day of the finals. And yes, it is true that their "tax" was not strictly given to one division, so the finals payout would favor one division and not the other. But that's a small difference, and I think there will be few people that fall into this category.



I think this is a great idea.

So Kevin Randall wins Pro Masters in Hanford and gets 100 points in Pro Grand Masters? There was not Pro Grand Master division in Hanford so how can he get points for that division? That doesn't follow any logic that I can see. Can some one explain this?



There is no logic and it would be downright unfair if the points go towards a division that did not exist at that tournament. My guess is that is was requested to the TD without being discussed thoroughly with EVERYBODY who has a stake.



From my experience it always ends up the TD's decision in the end. I'm not sure I quite agree with a division of 1, but Ed pretty much was on his own. I think having centralized rules will help resolve this.

One the other hand I kind of think not offering some divisions may discourage players at smaller tournaments already struggling to fill with players (south valley tournaments).

It'll be interesting to see the differences in opinions on these rules and how everything will work out.

Hey Kenny!

Looking forward to tackling Stockton tomorrow! What is the course set-up like? Similar to last year? And how about the 2 extra holes?

I hope it's not too windy... :D

Cheers,
Steve

Hey Running Man,

The course will be set up relatively easy for the CVS. There will be no combined holes like the Frying Pan will have and has had in the past. The alternates will be between 9 and 10. First extra launches from the nature path to a slightly wooded area. For the next hole you shoot to the fire pit (short). It should have nice flow, not to mention the flow from the Sierra Nevada keg I ordered yesterday that will be tapped after the tourney...cheers, KL

Thanks Kenny! See you and rest of the CVSers in the AM. :D

Another tourney in the books. :cool:

Thank you, Steve Lonhart, for all of your help in the scoring department for The Winterjam and all of the other CVS venues. You are a big asset to the cause.

I hope everyone enjoyed themselves and the fine weather we had on Saturday.

I'm glad that it's over and I think I only have a couple more tournaments to run before I call it quits (Frying Pan '09 and CVS Finals '10).

Here is the info for the finals (those of you who qualified):

CVS 2008/2009 FINALS
@MOONEY GROVE PARK
VISALIA,CA APRIL 4th

Player meeting @8:30
1st Round Tee off @9:00
Lunch 12:00 ish - 1:30 ish (lunch will be provided)
2nd round start @1:45 ish

Park will be open @7:00 ish Please register before you wonder off.This will really help keep things moving.We need help counting scorecards at lunch.
TD MEETING at lunch by tournament central.All TD's please have somthing written down so we may cover more topic's faster.If a TD can not make it to the Finals you may send a deleget from your town to vote on your behalf.
To all of the players that sopported the CVS this year I hope you all had a great time.So see you all at.... THE V-TOWN SHOWDOWN

Chuck Woody CVS Finals TD @559-972-8772

Cheers,
Steve :D