I haven't thrown one yet. How do they fly for you and/or has anyone thrown the x-outs?

October 16 is National Boss Day!! :cool:

We won't be fooled again!!!!

Let me start this by saying I've lost distance off my frives as of late, but changed my grip and tried a lower pull and had great results from 120 drives this afternoon, not all with the Boss. the 2 I got were not the overstable XC kind. They were suprisingly not very nose angle sensitive, or that might have just been good throws on my part, but are pretty speed sensitive. Lay off a bit and they hyzer out. A full throw would make it turn, but not turn over. The suprizing part was that it had enough glide to keep it in the air to let the LSS pull it out of the turn. I had a gps and mesured some out to 435-450 +/- 12ft. I haven't got that D in a long time. I had one that was 471 +/-12 ft. These were tight S curves from a hyzer flip. These were with and into a 5-10 mph wind. On big sweeping hyzers, they were ok. They would flip up a little more than I wanted, but were in the 390-410 range. I haven't tried them as a roller or just turn over. I can see how bigger arms would flip the [censored] out of these, at least the x-outs. I did have the best throw of my life I think. It was a total golf line drive with my starting to get seasoned Star Teebird. It measured in at 492 ft +/- 12ft. Everything felt perfect. All my other TB throws were in the 390ish range. I'm gonna try to get a vid of mt tweeks to see if there is a visual difference.

What colors were they and what defects do they have? I have an orange 175g wavey top and a large dimple on the bottom outer rim. And a clear (no weight on the bottom) with a domey top and a small dimple on the bottom outer rim. I'll throw both tomorrow and post again.

I have a white that has a small dimple on the wing and a "Merlot" as Dave called them that has just the slightest wave on the top, but I'm suprised it didn't pass

Did they fly the same?

Pretty much

just threw my 2 x-outs today and realy was impressed! one was blue 173g and the other the merlot color 175. not very nose sensitive as i thought they would be and had very consistant drives. like a much faster monarch to me but a tad more stable. i'm throwing in the 410 ft range

I threw my orange Boss alot today and with 15 mph wind. Less stable than expected into headwind, but it did fly further easily. So I ordered 2 more today.

So are they PDGA approved?

yep

where can I get an x-out?

Mark at discgolfvalues have (... had) some....

we got these in our US Dubs playa's pack... I threw mine and its a stable pig but wicked fast and bombs (love it!) but I saw someone throw theirs during the round and with no wind a person who doesnt normally flip stuff over threw it and it flipped and stayed on an anny line until the very end ... i'll see if I can throw his to compare

Coda Hatfield was throwing a purpleish Boss at the Stillwater Classic.

And he either hadn't thrown it enough to figure it out, or it was relatively unimpressive.

It wasn't going, that much further than my own shots.

Coda can throw further than me, so if he wasn't CRUSHING me with this disc, I am predicting a big yawn.

Maybe Innova needs to do more testing before they do another "lastest and greatest" attempt.

All that being said I have not thrown one.

But I will say this, the flight plate is so thin a thorn or branch may be able to pierce it.


DgDave did you say you were hyzer-flipping new ones? That is not good news in my opinion.

The X-out I have thrown is close in comparision to a tuned Destroyer, flip flat and helix for nice D.

It was a slight hyzer flip. About 10-15 degrees of hyzer

It was a slight hyzer flip. About 10-15 degrees of hyzer




Cool, I guess when I think of hyzer flip I think of a trashed pro wraith.

Nevermind... :D

i've got a USDGC MaceMan BOSS for sale... PM me with offers... will only charge whatever it costs to ship

PM to ya, Stack

posting also on the 'trade' thread

Like a much faster "Monarch"? Interesting comparison.

I have a good number of boss's some with the joker stamp on them from USDGC and only 200 of them run and Then I also have some with the "skull and bones" stamp on them and only 300 of them run both of these babies are rare stamps esp the roc stamp on a Boss so PM with offers before I put them on ebay. have multiple colors as well as weights.

Now that I've thrown in various conditions with domey or flat topped Bosses, I can say it has a smooth glide for a wide rim but the speed seems to be slower than a Destroyer or at best the same. Mine are X-outs but one only has a bubble in the rim and still has a high speed turn of mabey -1.5. I went to discgolfvalues.com to buy mine, but the people paying $30.00+ for an x-out are alittle crazy I think.

slower than a Destroyer?? No sir, not slower at all. You're completely right about the turn though. Mine isn't an x-out and it has that same turn, but it IS faster than a Destroyer.

if you want it more stable buy the ones with the dome to them. I still have a few with good size dome to them with the usdgc stamps on them. I have thrown them into a head wind and they hold their line very well and fade beautifully where as my destroyers flip in the same conditions. But If you get one of the flat top bosses be prepaired for the turn because it will do it. I have a couple of both flat and dome left so if you are interested PM me!!!!!!!!!

they should have stopped at the destroyer and xcal

no way... this disc def. goes further than those 2 for me!!!

also ... i bought 5 from the pro shop @ USDGC... threw them all in a field 3 times... first 2 times I was trying to compare all and A. they all BOMBED!!! B. The first time they were all within 30' and 2nd/3rd time I was just 'having fun' and seeing what they would do w/ different throws.

I'm a skeptic and was looking for them to be inconsistent but these were great... all skull/bones stamps but they were rather flat (and i flip stable stuff normally)... they were different colors (clear/blue, 2 dayglo, purple, red)

also have a crystal clear boss but I dont plan on throwing that... Nate Doss just signed it ;)

CONGRATS NATE!!!

Anyone want to trade a couple Z-Forces (one sparkle new players cup, other Am Nats red w/ a couple field throws) for a nice flat dayglo Boss?

I threw 2 of mine today.
Just like they say on the innova site.
high speed -1 low speed +3
Just like a beat in x-caliber

Sweet!! Pat were they the skull/bones stamped ones?

Like a much faster "Monarch"? Interesting comparison.


i bought 2 more x-outs at 171 grams and those two were nowhere near how the 1st two "faster monarch" ones were.. much more stable and don't really like them.(i have a stable 1st run star destroyer that flys like it but further :confused:) just a amazing difference between them, and i can't visually see a difference all pretty flat with a slighly wavy top?? glad i got two " long ones" at least.

Josh,
I got 2 with the bone and 2 with the mace man stamp.
Both are yellow/green.

At the CO State Championships this past weekend, Dave Feldberg made short work of the 903 ft, hole #6 with two drives (with the Boss) and a 30 ft putt.
I believe it was the only 3 on that (par 4) hole all weekend.
BTW, the wind was brutal out there, left to right, on Saturday.
I heard of at least a couple of 11's on that hole.

mine are on the way. throwing 450 with the champ destroyer with quite a bit of fade and skip at the end, hoping this one will hold up a little longer and jump me up to 475+ I dont know if its wishful thinking but if the numbers are correct it should give it to me.

**** the new site is sssllloooowwww

It will give you the extra you are looking for.

Last night I got my first chance to take my Bosses out for some field testing. I tested a <font color="orange">175.8g Maceman stamp with a warped flight plate</font>, <font color="blue">175g Star stamp</font>, <font color="purple">173g Star stamp </font>, and a <font color="orange">175g Star stamp </font>.

The wind was howling last night. I would say about a 15-20 mph constant wind with gusts up to 30-40 mph. I also had a couple of max weight star Destroyers and a Monarch to compare with the Bosses. I threw basically 2 directions. One was with a tail/left to right crosswind, with a little more cross than tail, and then I threw back to where I started.

First I must say that the Bosses outperformed everything. The Destroyers were getting more D off the tail/crosswind, but it was because they were taken over and offline by the wind. The Boss almost flew like there was no wind--they did not go off line to the right like the Destroyers. I was throwing flat or slight hyzer. The Bosses would go long and straight and hook up predictably each time despite the wind. All the Bosses flew similarly with the tail/cross, with the <font color="orange"> warped Maceman </font> holding out a bit longer before fading. The Bosses are much LESS nose angle sensitive than the Destroyer. The Monarch was great fun with the tail/crosswind--it would get lifted and dropped and it usually held on pretty well despite the wind play. It still was not getting the D of the Bosses and was very hit or miss with release angle.

Throwing back into and across the wind was even more fun. The Destroyers would NOT fly flat. They either flipped or stayed hyzer. I kept one low and straight, but it did not go very far. Throwing into the wind, the Bosses made the Destroyers look so slow. They looked like Teebirds. This was a tricky wind even for the Boss, but it was incredibly forgiving compared to the Destroyer. I had Bosses go up from a hyzer release climb into the wind and get nose down. Amazingly, it seemed like the Boss had to tip 30 degrees anyhyzer before they would actually turn to the right. They would just balance up in the air with the nose down. I've never seen anything like that in my life. These shots did not yield huge D, yet they were very straight and accurate considering conditions. After a little work with the Bosses I was keeping them low and flipping up from hyzer to get 420' easy in one of the worst possible winds for righty backhand D. I was VERY impressed. Into the wind the <font color="orange">warped Maceman </font> was the only Boss flipping out of control. The 3 star stamps were very similar. Strangely, the lighter <font color="purple"> Boss </font> was probably the most overstable.

One of the most noteworthy observations from my experience last night was how few bad flights I had with the Boss. The Destroyer is now completely obsolete in my view. Its like throwing the Gazelle after the Teebird came out...

I also got a chance to throw a (purple) 175 champion star stamp Boss this weekend. By looking at the disc I was almost positive it was going to be overstable, but I found out you could pretty much put it on any line you want. I chose a hole that is about 475 ft and went with a huge anhyzer with about a 15 mph tailwind directly behind me. I threw it about 25-30 ft off the ground and it flew flat, but never had a chance of straightening out. It left me about 30 feet short of pin high and to the right of the basket. I couldnt believe how far it went for going anhyzer the whole entire flight and how fast it got there as well. I really want to incorporate this into my bag now after testing this disc out. Im sure I can finally break the 500 ft mark now when this disc is thrown with a complete flight pattern. This is a must have disc. On another note....I played a few rounds with phenom Will Shusterick this weekend and he was seeming to really like the Boss. However, he also found out that its not as stable as he hoped. I saw him throw one on a 360 drive and had to come close to the 600 ft mark. That kid can throw anything far, but it was awesome to see. He was also crushing eco star xcals(orange) very long distances this weekend.

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One of the most noteworthy observations from my experience last night was how few bad flights I had with the Boss. The Destroyer is now completely obsolete in my view. Its like throwing the Gazelle after the Teebird came out... [QUOTE]


I second that, but Im definitely reserving a spot in my bag for my star destroyer still. That is until something else comes out....

One of the most noteworthy observations from my experience last night was how few bad flights I had with the Boss. The Destroyer is now completely obsolete in my view. Its like throwing the Gazelle after the Teebird came out...



Someone on here once said that seeing all of these new discs is like being a member of the "disc of the month club." If the Destroyer/Force is already obsolete then this "disc of the month" phrase has never been more true. One thing is for sure; disc innovation and technology sure is fun!

I got a domey light blue one, 175g. I only had the opportunity to throw it three times today... Gotta say its a stable *****. I can't say the Destroyer is obsolete because this stable disc is nothing like my Destroyers. I had calm conditions. My Destroyers always hyzer-flip, even brand new. First throw on a hyzer with as much snap as I can put into it, it barely flipped. But it went as far as an XCaliber that flips up slightly and glides, this thing barely seemed to glide at all. It just cut through the air.

Took it back and released it on an attempted straight/level shot. I was trying to bring it over into a long s-curve. It barely shifted angle at all and held the tiny bit of anhyzer that I seemed to release it with. It flew as far as a Destroyer on a full s-curve.

Final throw I turned around. First few had been slight downhill. I threw the last one from where I had landed the second throw. It bombed. I put everything behind it and released it with some definite anhyzer for some D. It came out and flew well past the original tee-off point. The first two throws were in the 430-440 range. Slight downhill. The last one was easily 450+ coming back.

Say what you will about the accuracy of message board "Disc"tance, the fact is that it definitely flew effortlessly as far as the Destroyer and XCaliber. Though I've gotta say... the fact remains that I can still throw a Teebird almost as far as anything in my bag on a good throw, and its way more reliable. So say what you will about "disc of the month", the old stuff is still the best stuff!

the fact remains that I can still throw a Teebird almost as far as anything in my bag on a good throw, and its way more reliable. So say what you will about "disc of the month", the old stuff is still the best stuff!




I think we are in agreement. I have a 1st run XL that's been in my bag since 1998. LOL. That's older than any player with a PDGA number higher than roughly 13,000 :DGotta love disc golf!

That is a long time for a disc to be in your bag. :X My favorite teebird just went the way of... well.. where-ever a disc goes when you leave it on the 18th green after a night round! (into a casual's bag lol) I can't keep discs in my bag any longer than about six months. My oldest disc is probably my roller, which has lasted me since about December now.

One of the most noteworthy observations from my experience last night was how few bad flights I had with the Boss. The Destroyer is now completely obsolete in my view. Its like throwing the Gazelle after the Teebird came out...



Someone on here once said that seeing all of these new discs is like being a member of the "disc of the month club." If the Destroyer/Force is already obsolete then this "disc of the month" phrase has never been more true. One thing is for sure; disc innovation and technology sure is fun!



It seems if a disc company finds a way to make a disc faster it will sell. The faster a disc is, the further it can potentially go. Unfortunately, in the past couple of years as discs have gotten faster, they have left much to be desired in terms of glide, stability, and consistency. IMO, the Orc and the Flash represent the fastest discs that still have excellent glide and stability. You can finesse these discs. I would also put the pro starfire, pro wraith, and rogue into this category as well. Other Wraiths, the Force, Teerex, Destroyer, Max, Venom, Illusion, etc. are all bullets that do not glide much. You throw them hard and they fly fast, lose speed, get stable, and die.

Enter the Boss. This disc feels more like a super fast/stable Orc or Flash. It has the best glide of any disc faster than the ones listed in the beginning of my post. I'm defining glide as the disc's ability to hold speed and spin late into the flight. I'm not sure that the Boss comes out of my hand faster than a Destroyer, but it sure holds that speed a lot longer.

Last night I took the Boss from the field to the course. It was still on the windy side. I carried my warped Boss and a domey one for straight/overstable distance drives, and then a Monarch for more understable or shorter shots. The warped Boss is so controllable I could do almost anything with it. I threw it on a 400' anhyzer tunnel shot into the wind. I also used it for a 380' straight, low ceiling shot into the wind. It never turned right or left and bailed, just glided straight and cut the wind. Although the disc is flippy if I power it, when I gave it hyzer and threw it 85% I could zero right in on 340-360' hyzers. I powered the domey one with about 30 degrees of hyzer straight into the wind and it flipped up, got over a bit, and came back totally controlled. I was also throwing high anhyzers into the wind with the flippier Boss and it was cutting right and then coming out for big D in the headwind. I also let Alexsey Bubis throw it (he has not recieved one yet from his sponser...). He does not get excited about new discs much and passed on the Destroyer/excal. After one throw he told me he would be putting it in his bag...the glide totally got him.

I think this is the best distance driver to date and it is going to make my bag a lot lighter. I did not expect it to make this kind of impact...in fact I loathed the conception of this disc. Fortunately, I was wrong. This is exciting. :D

That is great to hear, as i am a huge Flash fan. Now i just need Circle D to work their magic. Thanks for the reviews, i've always valued yours.

Considering picking up a Boss this wknd. The colors available are Bright Green, Orange, Bright Blue, and Purple/Merlot. Which color from your all's experience is the least stable?

Whichever is the flattest.

this disc is a huge [censored]. i throw it and always find myself screaming, come on you [censored]! flat [censored], domey [censored], they're all [censored] to me. i just can't get enough of this [censored] of a disc

Thats a *****! ;)

this disc is a huge *****. i throw it and always find myself screaming, come on you *****! flat *****, domey *****, they're all ******* to me. i just can't get enough of this ***** of a disc



maybe they should rename it :p

wow....beyond expectation....by far the easiest high speed driver to control. if flipped up flat it hauls *****!!!!!!!! even on a big route hyzer they carry lots of speed and distance. Mine is a 173.2 proto star stamped ice blue. unlike the other high speed drivers, height is not that much of an issue and I find throwing 5 to 10 foot( still under 20') higher than what i would throw my destroyer gives it more time to reach its full flight potential without ending up nose up and falling out of the fade. The destroyer will stay in my bag due to its incredible flight at 5 to 10' off the ground ( destroyer went longer every time at that height than the boss.) I was hoping to be able to reach the 475' d with this disc and it gave me that with a little more. Thanks innova, youve given me the equalizer disc to compete with the drives of some of the big guns. I cant wait to throw this disc at Texas Teams this year especially on the new course at circle R, the wide open "back 50"

there is nothing more exciting than reading about message board "D" all day.

arbitrary numbers grabbed directly outta thin air are hysterical.

there is nothing more exciting than reading about message board "D" all day.

arbitrary numbers grabbed directly outta thin air are hysterical.



Especially when you can't even look up the posters to see what their division and ratings are... ;)

gotta love how people just jump to the negative and refuse to believe what people are saying... this is a review thread. if you don't want to read reviews then don't. Not everyone can post a video with their text. That doesn't make their numbers arbitrary.

For one, I'm glad to see that this disc is receiving such rave reviews. I have some en route... I might just have to keep a few for myself.

Is it bad that I got my current phone because it has GPS on it and I wanted it specifically for disc golf?

oh you are right on looking up player data as that is the first thing I always do when reading reviews or statements about disc flight/characterisitics, however, I'm pretty certain that safe assumptions can be made when peeps are talking about getting a new disc and THAT is what consistently gets them over 475'-500'

is your first name Garrett? Maybe Christian? LOLOLOL.

idiots.

I throw 330-350ish on average. 400 if I BOMB on an open hole. Thats my REAL LIFE "D"....

on this board I throw 942' into headwinds. EAT THAT SHART!

It seems if a disc company finds a way to make a disc faster it will sell. The faster a disc is, the further it can potentially go. Unfortunately, in the past couple of years as discs have gotten faster, they have left much to be desired in terms of glide, stability, and consistency. IMO, the Orc and the Flash represent the fastest discs that still have excellent glide and stability.



Sooooo true! I've tried all of the new discs but I still can't find one that matches the glide of the flash!

gotta love how people just jump to the negative and refuse to believe what people are saying... this is a review thread. if you don't want to read reviews then don't.



1. I didnt jump to the negative. How many peeps do you know that have MEASURED their throws and can say they hit 500 feet? I know two that have. They have CANNONS and probably didnt need to measure to begin with. Just say "this disc is the longest in my bag and has added 25 feet, etc."... no need to even put distance into the equation and distances of 25 feet can be assummed in a much safer manner than 500.

2. I want to read [/b]reviews[/b], not someones guess at how things are going. once again.... "this disc is now the longest in my bag" suffices. If ten peeps say that then it has to be somewhat true. If ten peeps say they can throw 500 now with it when they couldnt before, im pretty suspect as I know a handful of peeps that can throw that far in real life and I play with world champions, am champions, and just good golfers in general.

my .02

and I still can throw 942 into a headwind. :cool:

It seems if a disc company finds a way to make a disc faster it will sell. The faster a disc is, the further it can potentially go. Unfortunately, in the past couple of years as discs have gotten faster, they have left much to be desired in terms of glide, stability, and consistency. IMO, the Orc and the Flash represent the fastest discs that still have excellent glide and stability.



Sooooo true! I've tried all of the new discs but I still can't find one that matches the glide of the flash!




the Gateway run of infernos are still going the farthest for me, with control.

I also wouldn't always go off ratings and what not.

I, For instance, am only rated 901. This is because I get to play maybe 1 or 2 tourneys a year, none this one, and a couple bad rounds and that kills your average. I can play intermediate, but I compete in advanced

the Gateway run of infernos are still going the farthest for me, with control.



are these the Infernos before they were retooled? Do you have any to sell and or trade if they are indeed the old mold? I have to agree these old run discs BOMB. I ordered three "new" Infernos before I knew they were retooled and they just arent the same at all.

let me know.

I also wouldn't always go off ratings and what not.

I, For instance, am only rated 901. This is because I get to play maybe 1 or 2 tourneys a year, none this one, and a couple bad rounds and that kills your average. I can play intermediate, but I compete in advanced



Dave, I dont go JUST by ratings. I see how many events they have played. If they have a name on teh board like yourself with good posts and seemingly honest info. There is always more than just meets the eye. Its just funny when you have seen some of these peeps throw before and you know there is no way in the world they will anytime soon throw that far.

like i said, word of the day is arbitrary.

arbitrary - adjective

1. Determined by chance, whim, or impulse, and not by necessity, reason, or principle:
stopped at the first motel we passed, an arbitrary choice.

2. Based on or subject to individual judgment or preference:
The diet imposes overall calorie limits, but daily menus are arbitrary.

thanks for your time, class will resume tomorrow.

Thanks teach!

Here's your apple.

I can play Rec, but I play in Pro Grandmasters ... and I too can throw well over 900 ft in a headwind ... IF ... I eat beans first.

When I saw 14 new posts after returning from lunch ... I just new it had to be a thread drift. ;)

I also wouldn't always go off ratings and what not.

I, For instance, am only rated 901. This is because I get to play maybe 1 or 2 tourneys a year, none this one, and a couple bad rounds and that kills your average. I can play intermediate, but I compete in advanced



Sorry, but imo ratings are a VERY good indicator of real distance vs. message board distance. I don't play in PDGA-sanctioned events, but I play in enough BYOP Doubles, Ice Bowls, random-draw doubles, tag rounds, and casual rounds with many different people to know that if a guy's rating is under 900, he doesn't throw 450 feet on flat ground in real life like he may claim he does on the message board.

Click, click, back, back.

hmmmmm if the hole you are throwing on is 497', very open all the way to the green where the trees begin and you throw it past the basket, how far did you throw? By the way I throw my champ roc on 300' hyzers with ease. Hole 5 at riverside in victoria tx ( not my home course) is a 302' hole and I park it with consistancy with the roc. If you are only trowing 300-350 with the new designs you should really work on your form and maybe try to build up those muscles that you throw with. annnyyywwaaayyyss........ if you flip the boss up to a flat flight line it goes a long way before it even begins to fade. If you do not get more d out of this disc you are not throwing with good technique.


ps If you doubt my d I aint skeered to put money on it. pm me and lets hook up, I could use the money with the economy the way it is.

the Gateway run of infernos are still going the farthest for me, with control.



are these the Infernos before they were retooled? Do you have any to sell and or trade if they are indeed the old mold? I have to agree these old run discs BOMB. I ordered three "new" Infernos before I knew they were retooled and they just arent the same at all.

let me know.



yea, Before the retool
i will check to see how many I have

I wasnt questioning you specifically. Its just seems in every single review I read distance has to come into play. I want to know about the golf line it can be thrown on. I want to know how it flies in comparision to all your other discs of similar structure. footage means squat to me.

the Gateway run of infernos are still going the farthest for me, with control.



are these the Infernos before they were retooled? Do you have any to sell and or trade if they are indeed the old mold? I have to agree these old run discs BOMB. I ordered three "new" Infernos before I knew they were retooled and they just arent the same at all.

let me know.



yea, Before the retool
i will check to see how many I have



Is this the raging inferno or just inferno? Also, E or SRP plastic? I have a SRP raging inferno that I can get close to 320 (measured on a football field ;) ) but and E raging inferno that come in around 280. I'm also curious if Quest still makes them. I know Dave was molding them but he isn't carrying them that I know of.

Compairason coming.....

Fast Orc or Flash is right. Slight HS turn, more of a tracking to the right instead of turn, and it holds that for a long time. Then a nice rather predictable hyzer finish. I feel the Orc and Flash handle a headwind better. I'm getting about 20 or so more feet past the orc consistantly

its the regular inferno and that is only in E and SRP.. not the new 80/20 blend (thats the retool). ragings are too stable to get the "D" that the Inferno can give on bombing hyzer flip shots.

ok, I throw the boss just like I throw my destroyer except with a litlle more height. Throwing it on a slight hyzer, flipping it flat. I found that with the way I throw, it needs a little more height than my destroyer to fully develop. I am keeping the destroyer in the bag because it is my longest disc with a low ceiling. My wraith is getting dusty and will probably be dropped from my bag. It is very consistant with slight adjustments depending on the wind. I still throw the xcal in a headwind because the destroyer and the boss will flip more than the xcal. Have you thrown one yet?

xcal, too much disc. regardless of release its a pig for me. I already throw whippets, max weight champ wraiths, and if needed firebirds for these type of hyzer shots.

destroyer, too unpredictable. if there is any wind at all I cant feel confident with it.

boss, no, but I want too. that is why I am just going to have to do what I do with every other disc and buy one.

my thing is with these wide winged drivers I have to see it as they are too varied. You buy a sidewinder and you get a sidewinder, a teebird and you get a teebird (unless its an 11x... in my opinion the best disc ever made due to plastic, not structure). you buy a destroyer-esque bee and good luck. dome? no dome? warped or not warped?!?!? you never know til it arrives.

hopefully I'll run into a few here shortly to give it a whirl.

I think the Boss is more consistant than its hyped to be. I think the problem started with DaveD wanting it to be an Xcal disc and the couple he tested were. Then the not so domey ones came out like I reviews and how the flight ratings describe it. He said 90% of them would be the -1 HS Turn.

I have 5. All different colors and about the same dominess. 3 x-out and 2 star stamp. All are pretty much identical in flight

its the regular inferno and that is only in E and SRP.. not the new 80/20 blend (thats the retool). ragings are too stable to get the "D" that the Inferno can give on bombing hyzer flip shots.



Thanks. I'll try to find one. Maybe I can get the magical distance that others are claiming with the boss. Not likely with my spaghetti arm. :)

I think the boss is more consistant than the other high speed drivers innova has put out except for the champ teerex x which for me is very consistant but was replaced by the xcal because in my opinion the xcal is more overstable and ive learned to be consistant with it. From what youve said is in your bag we throw some of the same discs. also in my bag is an 11x kc pro teebird and a 1st run champ whippet. instead of a side winder which flips way too much for me, i throw a road runner for a turnover disc, and have a leopard for when ive got to back off some and keep it straight.

500' wouldn't come close to winning a long distance contest in Texas. In Texas everything is bigger, I saw a guy win a long distance earlier this year that put two throws over 650'. His furthest went 685'. He threw it with a champ orc. Just think if he had a high speed driver like this or the destroyer. Or if he was in higher altitude, he could of thrown alot further. All I know is 500' ft isn't that far anymore, with the new disc coming out that are just made for D. I am consistantly birdieing our local 500' hole. Mind over matter is the way I see it, anything is possible.

Well if it were mind over matter then we'd all be 10,000 rated golfers. A little truthiness comes into play where just because someone knows I made par on one hole doesnt change the fact that I personally believe I made an ace.

L jefe is one of those rare guys that can pump a disc out there. If he says he throws a dis 475' I can give him 460'

There are only a few people on these forums I really care to read the opinions of. I trust what they have to say, and know they're good players. For the most part I sift through, and chuckle at, much of the other stuff. Don't rightfully know or care if people consider me knowledgeable at all. I know that the guys I work with a lot are getting good. I know I'm finally starting to play okay golf. Good enough for me. I'll keep posting my thoughts because I like hearing myself speak.

There are a lot, a whole lot that can throw further than me. I just like the fact that the boss has edged me a little closer and the fact that it is extremely controllable, giving me the accuracy and distance needed to compete on some of the longer holes out there. Will I be grabbing the boss for a 350' hole? doubtful, my teebird will be the choice for me. Will I grab the boss for a tight wooded hole? not.

I think that these new disc designs will really bring discgolf from the old duece or die par 3 courses into a whole new era in the sport that will make it play more like ball golf where course management will play a much bigger role in the game. I dont know where disc design will go from here. These new discs eliminate the need for a helix drive that requires a lot of room to develope and the under stable lift when thrown to flip flat will go a long way on a straight line. I am almost giddy at the thought of the direction of the sport with these new innovations.

Thanks for chiming in krazy, you gonna be at Texasteams this year with the third coast krew?

Yes sir. Going to squeak out some wins with my weinie arm.

you know winning has little to do with distance and everything to do with putting. Thank god my rating does not reflect my ability :DI'll most likely be playing int again this year. Lets see if I can go undefeated for a secound year in a row :eek: :o:D

ooops thread drift......sorry

oh you are right on looking up player data as that is the first thing I always do when reading reviews or statements about disc flight/characterisitics, however, I'm pretty certain that safe assumptions can be made when peeps are talking about getting a new disc and THAT is what consistently gets them over 475'-500'

is your first name Garrett? Maybe Christian? LOLOLOL.

idiots.

I throw 330-350ish on average. 400 if I BOMB on an open hole. Thats my REAL LIFE "D"....

on this board I throw 942' into headwinds. EAT THAT SHART!

I gotchya...my message board D is a least 975' uphill.

this is the form that'll get you that 975 foot uphill headwind BOMBER!!!!

btw Pat, I was there and rooting for ya....

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/2008%20Ironwood%20Open/DSC_3887.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/2008%20Ironwood%20Open/DSC_3876.jpg

Thanks Josh :D

look at the dedication, playing on natural pads and bombing in the wet slick stuff........mad props.

oh you are right on looking up player data as that is the first thing I always do when reading reviews or statements about disc flight/characterisitics, however, I'm pretty certain that safe assumptions can be made when peeps are talking about getting a new disc and THAT is what consistently gets them over 475'-500'

is your first name Garrett? Maybe Christian? LOLOLOL.

idiots.

I throw 330-350ish on average. 400 if I BOMB on an open hole. Thats my REAL LIFE "D"....

on this board I throw 942' into headwinds. EAT THAT SHART!

I gotchya...my message board D is a least 975' uphill.


My message board D still hasn't cracked 950 :( I'm working on it though, I'm almost into the 900s on a bad day.

oh you are right on looking up player data as that is the first thing I always do when reading reviews or statements about disc flight/characterisitics, however, I'm pretty certain that safe assumptions can be made when peeps are talking about getting a new disc and THAT is what consistently gets them over 475'-500'

is your first name Garrett? Maybe Christian? LOLOLOL.

idiots.

I throw 330-350ish on average. 400 if I BOMB on an open hole. Thats my REAL LIFE "D"....

on this board I throw 942' into headwinds. EAT THAT SHART!

I gotchya...my message board D is a least 975' uphill.


My message board D still hasn't cracked 950 :( I'm working on it though, I'm almost into the 900s on a bad day.



This will get you that extra message board D!
http://www.screamingenergy.com/can/119.jpg

anyone confirm/deny that the lightest weight boss they've seen or heard of is 172? I guess I can ask on the 'ask dave' thread if nobody knows... just curious.

Dave has already stated on his thread that 171-172 was as light as they can make them in Champ/Star with the current formulas. DX will go to 150.

I think that these new disc designs will really bring discgolf from the old duece or die par 3 courses into a whole new era in the sport that will make it play more like ball golf where course management will play a much bigger role in the game. I dont know where disc design will go from here. These new discs eliminate the need for a helix drive that requires a lot of room to develope and the under stable lift when thrown to flip flat will go a long way on a straight line. I am almost giddy at the thought of the direction of the sport with these new innovations.



Interesting perspective, and I can tell that you are as excited about this new era as I am, but I don't see the correlation between longer throws and course management. Longer throws = effectively shortening holes = more deuces.

Better course design to more effectively encourage risk/reward and smarter "golf" type shots will shape our game more heavily than disc technology. In this instance, a dogleg should be a placement shot off the tee that a player (playing the skill appropriate tee) should be able to hit the landing zone with a well executed shot. They should not have to throw 400+ to be able to make the corner. I know that more of these types of courses are being developed, but I can't see how longer discs will add more value to them in the sense of a "ball golf" style course.

Still, the point may be moot as Dave D indicated that their focus will now shift away from the big arm drivers AND the rim width is almost maxed out. Time will tell.

As much as I love the XCaliber and like the Boss so far... I think that the best disc Innova has released this year is the Monarch. Maybe I'm crazy.

Better course design to more effectively encourage risk/reward and smarter "golf" type shots will shape our game more heavily than disc technology. In this instance, a dogleg should be a placement shot off the tee that a player (playing the skill appropriate tee) should be able to hit the landing zone with a well executed shot. They should not have to throw 400+ to be able to make the corner. I know that more of these types of courses are being developed, but I can't see how longer discs will add more value to them in the sense of a "ball golf" style course.




I think disc technology dictates perhaps that you SHOULD have to throw 400' to get around the corner in your example. I think that we need to keep our game athletic as well as smart. 400' used to be more or less a benchmark of "pro" distance. It is not anymore as 400' is achievable by probably the majority of advanced players.

People LOVE to see discs being crushed. Being a pro should include this ability in order to keep our game exciting and marketable. Its never going to trump the importance of putting and a solid short game, but I don't think our courses should allow someone to excel at the highest level without being able to throw 400'+ accurately.

I think that these new disc designs will really bring discgolf from the old duece or die par 3 courses into a whole new era in the sport that will make it play more like ball golf where course management will play a much bigger role in the game. I dont know where disc design will go from here. These new discs eliminate the need for a helix drive that requires a lot of room to develope and the under stable lift when thrown to flip flat will go a long way on a straight line. I am almost giddy at the thought of the direction of the sport with these new innovations.



Interesting perspective, and I can tell that you are as excited about this new era as I am, but I don't see the correlation between longer throws and course management. Longer throws = effectively shortening holes = more deuces.

Better course design to more effectively encourage risk/reward and smarter "golf" type shots will shape our game more heavily than disc technology. In this instance, a dogleg should be a placement shot off the tee that a player (playing the skill appropriate tee) should be able to hit the landing zone with a well executed shot. They should not have to throw 400+ to be able to make the corner. I know that more of these types of courses are being developed, but I can't see how longer discs will add more value to them in the sense of a "ball golf" style course.

Still, the point may be moot as Dave D indicated that their focus will now shift away from the big arm drivers AND the rim width is almost maxed out. Time will tell.



I think disc technology dictates perhaps that you SHOULD have to throw 400' to get around the corner in your example. I think that we need to keep our game athletic as well as smart. 400' used to be more or less a benchmark of "pro" distance. It is not anymore as 400' is achievable by probably the majority of advanced players.

People LOVE to see discs being crushed. Being a pro should include this ability in order to keep our game exciting and marketable. Its never going to trump the importance of putting and a solid short game, but I don't think our courses should allow someone to excel at the highest level without being able to throw 400'+ accurately.

I like the idea of ball golf style courses with 1000 ft holes, etc. where you actually have room to use these drivers. Not saying totally open, just tight enough to (along with the distance) make it a challenge to birdie or even par them. Placement of drives can be just as important as distance, because if you stack up 2 slightly bad drives, it could mean the difference between a 200 ft upshot versus 300 or 400 ft. There is a tournament in MI in a week on an actual ball golf course (with golf carts, thank you) that is like this.

Not saying there is not a place for the wooded duece or dies, but just another option.

Also, not everyone can throw a Tee-Bird as far as a Boss either. On most holes of most courses I play, the accuracy difference between a wide rimmed driver and fairway driver is not bad enough, where I would be willing to throw a more accurate disc 60 ft shorter just to stay in the fairway, when I can throw a longer disc to have a better chance at deuce. The reward is usually worth the risk.

I think that the best disc Innova has released this year is the Monarch. Maybe I'm crazy.


I 100% agree!!!!! Maybe !'m crazy, too.

As much as I love the XCaliber and like the Boss so far... I think that the best disc Innova has released this year is the Monarch. Maybe I'm crazy.



Those are the 3 D drivers in my bag right now. They seem to go quite well as a driving trio. I defintely see the Monarch having a greater impact with a greater number of players. I also think the Monarch was a bit mismarketed as it is one of the most versatile discs I've thrown. It has replaced my TL/Sidewinder/Roadrunner/Rogue...I use it mostly as a fairway driver but it also works as for turnover D, tailwind D, dead straight forehand shots, and as a FH/BH roller. It even cuts the wind better than other understable discs. I carry a straight one and a flippy one.

As much as I love the XCaliber and like the Boss so far... I think that the best disc Innova has released this year is the Monarch. Maybe I'm crazy.



Those are the 3 D drivers in my bag right now. They seem to go quite well as a driving trio. I defintely see the Monarch having a greater impact with a greater number of players. I also think the Monarch was a bit mismarketed as it is one of the most versatile discs I've thrown. It has replaced my TL/Sidewinder/Roadrunner/Rogue...I use it mostly as a fairway driver but it also works as for turnover D, tailwind D, dead straight forehand shots, and as a FH/BH roller. It even cuts the wind better than other understable discs. I carry a straight one and a flippy one.



I agree. :cool:

As much as I love the XCaliber and like the Boss so far... I think that the best disc Innova has released this year is the Monarch. Maybe I'm crazy.



Those are the 3 D drivers in my bag right now. They seem to go quite well as a driving trio. I defintely see the Monarch having a greater impact with a greater number of players. I also think the Monarch was a bit mismarketed as it is one of the most versatile discs I've thrown. It has replaced my TL/Sidewinder/Roadrunner/Rogue...I use it mostly as a fairway driver but it also works as for turnover D, tailwind D, dead straight forehand shots, and as a FH/BH roller. It even cuts the wind better than other understable discs. I carry a straight one and a flippy one.



How is the Monarch's flight compared to the Rogue? I carry both Rogue and Sidewinder and they are very different in distance and stability.

As much as I love the XCaliber and like the Boss so far... I think that the best disc Innova has released this year is the Monarch. Maybe I'm crazy.



Those are the 3 D drivers in my bag right now. They seem to go quite well as a driving trio. I defintely see the Monarch having a greater impact with a greater number of players. I also think the Monarch was a bit mismarketed as it is one of the most versatile discs I've thrown. It has replaced my TL/Sidewinder/Roadrunner/Rogue...I use it mostly as a fairway driver but it also works as for turnover D, tailwind D, dead straight forehand shots, and as a FH/BH roller. It even cuts the wind better than other understable discs. I carry a straight one and a flippy one.



How is the Monarch's flight compared to the Rogue? I carry both Rogue and Sidewinder and they are very different in distance and stability.



I would say that the Monarch is in-between the Rogue and Sidewinder in terms of speed and stability. Both discs glide less and fade more than the Monarch.

I will give my impression of the Boss. I picked up two of them and threw them against several of my preferred drivers. They tended to go 20' further and their flight was very similar to what the Wraith is supposed to do. I say supposed to do because I have a wraith that I throw very consistently and it is very un-Wraith like. Anyway, I have been loosing some distance over the last 5 years due mainly to age and the injuries that come from hard disc golfing over the years. Disc golf, can't live with it, choose not to live without it.

The Boss is very fast out of the hand and you can see they travel quickly. A good hard snap from a thrower that can get 400 feet will result in a disc that stands up, turns slightly and S's back to gain that max distance we so love to see. On the other hand, if you throw over 450 ft be ready for the disc to turn over quickly. That difference in arm speed will result in a fast turnover. Adjusting your release to give it a little more hyzer will result in a correction for that and will yield a long distance. I have a friend that I have seen throw a Max close to 500', he put the Boss over 580'. I know it is hard to believe, but he can throw a LONG ways. His biggest problem is the speed with which the disc turns over. Until he can get that under control, he will not throw the disc unless there is no head wind.

The Boss gets a good amount of glide, and is similar to a Destroyer. I am currious how the Stars will be, as that extra stability that usually comes from Star plastic may take that quick turnover for fast arm speed, out of the equation.

Overall, I like the disc and would recommend it to any players that have started to understand the mechanics of release and how a disc flies. I would not be suprized to see the Boss be the next distance record setter.

I got some Bosses. Here is my story.

I got 2 and my buddy got 2. We each have a 175 Orange and 173 Bright Blue. The "dominess" was no different between all 4. I was able to throw all 4 before he arrived. I also threw 5 Destroyers, 2 Rogues, an Xcaliber, and a Max. Both max weight Orange Bosses were very flippy, almost like a faster, slightly less stable Rogue. The 2 blues BOMBED. They both were about the same distance, and about 20 ft further than 3rd place (Destroyer). I threw them a few more times, and immediately decided they would replace the Destroyer.

We then proceeded to play a par 72 ball / disc golf course (Willowbrook, Byron, MI), and I threw it all day. To get max distance with the Destroyer, I needed something very stable and had to throw it with slight anhyzer to get the S-curve, and it rarely turned as much as I wanted before getting stable. The Boss seems like a faster Wraith, which I can throw flat, and it turns on its own, then glides for a LONG time before fading back. It can also be thrown on hyzers or anhyzers. I rarely even attempted throwing a Destroyer anhyzer. I believe I had throws in the round that were at least 30 ft further than I would have thrown a Destroyer.

I was throwing about 400 ft with the Destroyer. I am guessing people throwing Destroyers 450-500+ will need to hyzer flip the Boss to get it to fly right, but when it does, they may even have more potential than the added 20-30+ I am getting.

My friend also threw the Boss all day instead of his Destroyer. He used to throw the Destroyer about 420-440 and the Boss was stable enough for him also.

oh you are right on looking up player data as that is the first thing I always do when reading reviews or statements about disc flight/characterisitics, however, I'm pretty certain that safe assumptions can be made when peeps are talking about getting a new disc and THAT is what consistently gets them over 475'-500'

is your first name Garrett? Maybe Christian? LOLOLOL.

idiots.

I throw 330-350ish on average. 400 if I BOMB on an open hole. Thats my REAL LIFE "D"....

on this board I throw 942' into headwinds. EAT THAT SHART!

I gotchya...my message board D is a least 975' uphill.


My message board D still hasn't cracked 950 :( I'm working on it though, I'm almost into the 900s on a bad day.



This will get you that extra message board D!
http://www.screamingenergy.com/can/119.jpg



Those drinks are HORRIBLE I had one down in Laredo when we traveled there for baseball :eek:

The RED is even worse :D

I bought two with my B-day money.

First of all, let me say this Champ plastic is maybe the best I have ever seen. It molds with a nice dome and it is tacky as crap. It is also stiff. Getting tacky and stiff Champ that molds nicely is very good, the new benchmark in fact. It is also good when wet. I think Dave really puts a lot of work into the First run blends.

I threw these in the field last night. I throw at night from a specific spot on the sidewalk onto a marked soccer field, so I know how far all my disc go relative to that benchmark. The conditions were 2 MPH winds.

The Boss is fast. It makes a Wraith look like a Teebird for speed. It also holds its speed to very late in the flight.
The Boss is slightly longer than my Wraiths by about 15-25 feet on straight hyser flips. However, it is consistently longer than the Wraith even on less than perfect throws. Pure speed distance.
The Boss is not hard to throw, although it is more nose sensitive than a domey Wraith or a Teerex. Do not let a puff of air get under the disc or it will shoot up.
The Boss has a very nice fade and flies very similar to a good domey Wraith.

Keep in mind that the Destroyer does well in calm conditions (although I think the fade of the Boss is straighter). The Destroyer has a monster fade like a new Eagle X.

I still cannot think where I would NEED a Boss playing golf. I guess if I started playing courses where all of the par 3's were 450' with a slight hyser pin position...

I am still not convinced that you can throw a Boss "effortlessly" and get good results (something that Discspeed said on the PDGA board---and I respect his reviews a lot---I could never throw a Destroyer "effortlessly" and get good results---it would just fade hard). If I could, indeed, throw the Boss "effortlessly" and achieve the distances I am seeing that would would be revolutionary.

Although I will say these were brand new discs and they were not hard to throw. Broken in a little they may get even better----or more squirrely. Hard to tell. The dome helps with the squirrels.

So, all in all this run of the Boss delivers on the promise. Dave has done an incredible job with this first run of a disc that must be incredibly hard to make with a consistent flight.

boss in real play for me has been a little inconsistant. I have been playing with a slightly domey proto star blue disc and in game havent had a lot of luck controlling it. either i dont get it to flip flat or it turns over a little and goes right for 450+ feet. I have just added a domey top merlot signature disc that i hope I will be able to control a little better. I played riverside in victoria thurs and friday and both the boss and destroyer made the 450ish holes a lot easier to birdie. I am hoping I can find some consistancy with the boss, I just havent found that "sweetspot" release for it and never know if it will turn over or not. It is fast though. I guess time will tell

I've been throwing my Bosses for a couple of weeks now. Unfortunately my friend threw my USDGC Boss into the lake...that was my most understable and controllable. I've been mainly throwing the blue first run, probably the same one as in the post above.

I still haven't got the release angle down to be able to throw this disc hard. As long as I keep a little hyzer on it and give it a good snap it is fairly predictable. This isn't a max D throw. I've had some real "touch" shots with it throwing flat, smooth, and taking a little off. However, this becomes MUCH more difficult if there is any wind. I've definetely had throws that I wanted to turn, but didn't. I've also had throws that I didn't want to turn and did...such are the growing pains of learning a new disc. I still must say that I feel more comfortable with the Boss than I ever did with the Destroyer.

This weekend I finally got a couple of the production run of Feldberg stamped Bosses. These babies are BUSTY. Stiff and poppy. They feel overstable in your hand. I took them immediatly out to the course and started throwing into a mild headwind at a target somewhere between 440-475'. First one I threw like a first run and it never stood up. It still went over 400'. This was a good sign...Next one I threw high and hard with a little anny, like I would throw a Teebird. It travelled fairly straight and still faded out a little earlier than I wanted. It went longer than the first throw and was about 30'-40' short of my target. The next throw I had the confidence to CRUSH the disc (I could never do this with the first run). It held straight on the slight anny/nose down release on a left to right shot that faded hard forward when it finished. It was about 6 feet from the target.

I was at a tournament, so I didn't really get to test the new Bosses more. They are definetely more stable and big arms are going to be happy. Some of the Feldberg Bosses (the orange ones) felt exactly like the first runs in that they were flat and gummy. I'll bet those are flippier. Its nice to have a trustworthy Boss in the wind or to throw hard.

Loving the Boss. Throwing it flat mostly.
The speed is amazing.

Well DiscSpeed, thanks for your post, I have just orderd a DF Boss and hope to replace my Destroyer. I enjoy your detail very much, you know what your talking about and we seem to throw about the same....I ll have to come play you in a tourny...
as for El, Jeffe, hey man, since your so OLD why dont you just retire and come catty for ME, that way I can show you how to throw far.....J/K love ya Jeff, shout out from Dallas

I just got 2 poppy top DF Bosses and they fly almost exactly the same as my flatter ones.

ok discspeed, tell me know with the boss how your bag looks please.
Boss, Destroyer?, wraith still?, ??? Im trying to cut down....from XC, Destroyer,Wraith to just Boss, and maybe XC or destroyer but Id rather just 2 high speed...

Maybe...champ XC, Boss then Star Wraith...good combo?

Just boss and xc. No need for another stable distance driver

Maybe...champ XC, Boss then Star Wraith...good combo?



That's what I've got in the bag. My Wraith is one of the poppy ones that started out quite overstable, but now is very straight from a hyzer release. I love how slowly those Wraiths turn. I then have my slightly flippy 1st run Boss and the stable Feldberg one. I just got a Champion XC this weekend and have already replaced my Star XC (champ is grippier and more stable/durable). I won't use the XC very much--most times I'd rather throw a Predator for pure overstable and the Boss for D. The XC is for wind D and shots in between the Pred and Boss in terms of stability and distance and days I'm feeling too weak to get the Pred out there.

Besides that I am carrying 2 Star Teebirds (beat and new), 2 Z Preds (beat and new), and a Champion Monarch. I used to carry TLs, but the Monarch flies the same with less effort when there is little wind, and the beat Teebird is still more predictable than a TL for those S's and turnovers in the wind.

Tanks DiscSpeed, I trust and enjoy your analysis. I will prob be very similar with my bag, as i have a Champ XC, Star Wraith, and getting DF Boss, thanks man....I hope this improves and controls my distance game.....

i have not tried the Monarch, but watched JD toss it around with control, and rolled it, i will have to check out....

yes DG Dave but Discspeed makes a good reason to have the wraith....courses where distance and control...sometimes i need a stright fairway long tunnel...or pin point landing..star wraith does that real well...especially when a little to long for Teebird..

Now that I've thrown it more, sanded the flashing off, and hit a few trees the Feldberg Boss doesn't really seem overstable. It definetely resists high speed turn more than the first run, but it will turn in a headwind if thrown flat. My first comparison of a faster Orc is still the best description. The Feldberg Bosses are like the domey/stable Champion Orcs in terms of stability. Huge reliable D, easy to throw, and not the best choice for strong headwinds...

I have to second the Orc comparison.
I didn't start throwing an Orc until about 2 months ago, and love it.
I've thrown the Champ Boss for about 2 weeks and for myself it flies on an almost identical line.


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I have to second the Orc comparison.
I didn't start throwing an Orc until about 2 months ago, and love it.
I've thrown the Champ Boss for about 2 weeks and for myself it flies on an almost identical line.


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Boss Flight Ratings....12, 5, -1, 3
Orc Flight Ratings......10, 4, -1, 3


Looks like the Flight Ratings agree with that comparison as well.

The sheer unreliability of the Boss leads me to agree with the Orc comparisons. Still, it is more reliable than a Star Destroyer, so it takes that spot in the bag. Ch Monster - St XCal - Ch Boss - Ch Monarch is my high speed setup, as soon as my St Destroyer wears out of its usefulness (though it is slowly wearing itself into a possibly permanent spot as a massive roller disc).

i agree with the Orc comparison. i like it for pure distance.
so high speed setup: Ch XC (WIndy), Ch Boss--pure Dist, Monarch, Star Wraith--control &amp; Distance

is any one rolling the Monarch? how is that? also has any one tomahawked the Monarch????

i have found the monarch to be a very controllable roller, though not as long as the more gyroscopic [more weight in the rim proportionate to the flight plate] discs. this is also why it is so controllable in flight.

I have to second the Orc comparison.
I didn't start throwing an Orc until about 2 months ago, and love it.
I've thrown the Champ Boss for about 2 weeks and for myself it flies on an almost identical line.





Orcs are my go-to drivers so now i can't wait to try the Boss!

are the Feldberg ones like faster SB Orcs and the first runs like Pro Orcs? :eek:

I've tried the Monarchs and found them to be great discs for typhoon tail winds and huge hyzerflips as for a roller I pretty much have to throw them flat and let them slowly flip up to roll or they just tend to dump over. I guess thats also from throwing orc rollers for years which is still the longest roller disc I've ever thrown. As for over hands I've found the Monarchs to be extremely touchy and the grip isn't comfortable for that kind of shot...just my opinion

Unlike Orcs, which i've found to be fairly consistant from disc to disc, the Boss varies widely from one disc to the next. I've bought 100, sold 90 and thrown a dozen. Some are as flippy as a Sidewinder and some are as overstable as a Firebird.

The blue Boss in my bag is a great headwind driver. The bright green Bosses I had last weekend were very understable.

I've thrown about 10 or so bosses and all have been about the same, pretty orcish. I'm really wanting a few Firebirdish ones

I've thrown about 10 or so bosses and all have been about the same, pretty orcish. I'm really wanting a few Firebirdish ones



I have thrown 2 different USDGC, 4 colors of first runs, and 2 colors of the Feldberg bosses, and none were like a Firebird for me. I found, like Wraiths and Destroyers in all plastics, that the dome and rigidity of the disc determines its stability. Gummy/flat create understable characteristics. Stiff/domey create more stable/overstable flight characteristics. Once you know what your looking for they are pretty predictable. That being said, I have the stiffest and domiest I can imagine, and once you sand the flashing off they still have a -1/2 high speed turn when thrown completely flat. Not a Firebird...

I have 4 blue Feldberg Bosses. I have thrown 3 others, including some first runs. Discspeed is pretty spot on. The 175 domey ones are more stable. Lighter and flatter are flippier. Some are too flippy for my taste, but my 172 blue one is an absolute killer. I can't get over how fast the things are. On flat ground, my average distance with a Boss is maybe 10-20 feet more than my average Wraith. Downhill, it is more like 40 feet. So, I am carrying one heavy one and one light one. I say good job to Innova. KP

so as the boss beats in is the CFR Destroyer better, more predictable, or the Boss still better for D...?

Unlike Orcs, which i've found to be fairly consistant from disc to disc, the Boss varies widely from one disc to the next. I've bought 100, sold 90 and thrown a dozen. Some are as flippy as a Sidewinder and some are as overstable as a Firebird.



Sounds like Discraft's Force.

The one blue 172g Champion Boss I've thrown is way too overstable for me. I have to crank the thing with a ton of anhyzer because of its severe low speed fade. It's a great headwind disc and I've certainly noticed how much FASTER it is as compared to a Firebird or other overstable discs, but this is not what I was looking for in an ultra-distance driver.

I would easily prefer a flippy Sidewinder Boss any day of the week.

Unlike Orcs, which i've found to be fairly consistant from disc to disc, the Boss varies widely from one disc to the next. I've bought 100, sold 90 and thrown a dozen. Some are as flippy as a Sidewinder and some are as overstable as a Firebird.



Sounds like Discraft's Force.

The one blue 172g Champion Boss I've thrown is way too overstable for me. I have to crank the thing with a ton of anhyzer because of its severe low speed fade. It's a great headwind disc and I've certainly noticed how much FASTER it is as compared to a Firebird or other overstable discs, but this is not what I was looking for in an ultra-distance driver.

I would easily prefer a flippy Sidewinder Boss any day of the week.



The REAL question is how does the Boss fly when thrown with a chicken wing release? :D

Unlike Orcs, which i've found to be fairly consistant from disc to disc, the Boss varies widely from one disc to the next. I've bought 100, sold 90 and thrown a dozen. Some are as flippy as a Sidewinder and some are as overstable as a Firebird.



Sounds like Discraft's Force.

The one blue 172g Champion Boss I've thrown is way too overstable for me. I have to crank the thing with a ton of anhyzer because of its severe low speed fade. It's a great headwind disc and I've certainly noticed how much FASTER it is as compared to a Firebird or other overstable discs, but this is not what I was looking for in an ultra-distance driver.

I would easily prefer a flippy Sidewinder Boss any day of the week.



The REAL question is how does the Boss fly when thrown with a chicken wing release? :D



Where art thou, M'organ?? :D

so how is everybody doing with Boss into wind?
i have 2 and they are still overstable and flying great/
headwind is nice up to about 10-15mph.

Nice up to 10-15 is right. I can BOMB them into 10-15. Once you get up to the 20s though they're useless.

Story of my week the other week was on a hole into a direct headwind, about 12-15, Tyler Horne bombs a force turns around and says "Thats all I got" and shrugs. I threw a Boss to within 10 feet of him. Usually when Tyler is saying "Thats all I got" he's got me by 75+ feet. After the tournament myself and my buddy Jamie (a legit 500+ arm) were throwing them and he was passing by and asked Jamie what he was throwing. Jamie told him and he just nods and says "Those things fly."

Never tried one though. :) I think he's content with being able to throw 500' golf shots with a Force.

well im still learning the release for the crazy fast Boss. my two are stable to oberstable. they fligh long but i need to learn the release. sometimes im too hyzer. i tried them into a 20+ wind and they just flipped over like a valk. so that got me paranoid. i hope to learn how much wind they like and dont like. To some it my seem like they are not good disc being so finiky...but when you release one good....dang they are sick long..risk reward i guess.

Got a boss the other day, it is way to over stable. In a 30 mile an hour headwind it would not flip up at all. I can�t use it. This disc is crazy over stable.

I just threw the Boss yesterday and love them. I have two 172g and threw them into a light breeze and then downwind , then at Golden Gate course. It is crazy fast, but not overstable. They turn over slightly even downwind, but hyzer back to almost come back to the line I sent them on. I reached holes I haven't before on GG so it will be useful in my bag. Haven't rolled them yet but they have great promise for this. Will probably hold an angle on the ground for a long way. Has anyone rolled them yet? Do they flip over? Can't wait for Star and Pro plastic. Maybe more overstable so I can throw lighter ones 165-168?

Got a boss the other day, it is way to over stable. In a 30 mile an hour headwind it would not flip up at all. I can�t use it. This disc is crazy over stable.



You simply got one one of the overstable ones.

Apparently there are flippy Sidewinder-ish Bosses out there.

Disc golf discs are about as reliable as the weather forecast these days.

I have come to the conclusion that I really only like the stiff, domey, overstable Bosses. When you sand the flashing off it brings these babies to life. Those of you who find them to be unusable overstable, seriosly try rubbing the sharp flashing at the bottom of the disc off with a microfiber towel. It really helps the disc stay flat in the air longer. If you can't throw at least 380 with some consistency though, the overstable Boss is just not for you.

The flippy first runs are fun in the field, but I do not trust them on the golf course. I like the slow action of a Wraith or the reliably stable flight of the poppy Bosses. When the Boss comes out in star plastic I will keep a flippy one, but until then I'm just sticking with the poppy ones.

Got a boss the other day, it is way to over stable. In a 30 mile an hour headwind it would not flip up at all. I can�t use it. This disc is crazy over stable.



It is the flash.

Finally tested the Boss out in an open field. This disc is way too overstable for my arm. I wouldn't recommend it for newbies or average arms. Looking forward to the Groove. That's probably more up my alley.

Got a boss the other day, it is way to over stable. In a 30 mile an hour headwind it would not flip up at all. I can�t use it. This disc is crazy over stable.



anyone that feels they have a boss that is too overstable they can send it to me! :) Give me your address and i'll send you a SASE!

Just because you threw "A" boss does not necessarily mean you threw "THE" Boss. They are variable. I have 7. One is overstable (1/2 way between Destroyer and Xcaliber), and 2 are flippy (similar to faster Rogue). The rest are like faster Wraiths.

Good point whip-snap, I'm guessing that comment was for me. I've thrown 2 of them now and they both acted similarly. Both were domey. Almost tore my arm off when I threw it sidearm. It was very fast, but I couldn't control it's overstable qualities. I'm waiting for some big wind to throw it into.

I have a couple that are like fast wraiths, would love to find one that's like a faster rogue!

Get the flatter top Boss and throw it a week or two and the stability will settle and you gain alittle more control and glide with them. I like the domey light green ones at max weight for long constant hyzres, and another less stable Boss for others shots but they're definitely staying in the bag.

anyone beat one up to use as a roller? how do they work for rolling?

I just started to roll my flat top 172g Bosses. These are a little flippy in the air, but come back good at the end. Kind lf like a Valkyre or Beast which I use to roll. The Bosses are GREAT rollers. I have answered my own question of a few weeks ago. They are really long and hold a line well. I haven't beat these in yet, they are a little flippy out of the box. I just ordered a couple 175g fly died Bosses and will roll them too. I like a little stable disc for rollers so I can land them on the ground at 70 to 80 degrees and let them do their thing. Great results so far!

It was very fast, but I couldn't control it's overstable qualities. I'm waiting for some big wind to throw it into.

From my experience even overstable bosses are squirrely in a headwind. Exercise caution when throwing into the wind by testing in the field first

We had some 20+ mph winds around here last weekend. I threw the Boss into it with a normal firm backhand and the Boss performed admirably. I threw it low and it went straight, slowly climbed to about 40 feet and quickly finished overstable. I parked #6L in Stockton. Nobody else even came close. It will stay in my bag for these types of shots.

Forgive me for not rereading these threads...but what would be the best criteria for hopefully selecting the most understable Boss I can find. Color, plastic-type, run, profile? I'm going to DGWorld tomorrow for a bit of X-Mas shopping and want to have a keen eye. Thanks gentlemen.
doc

Usually the flatter ones are less stable

Thank you kind sir!