We are holding strong at number four in total posts on the entire board behind #1 PDGA Tournament Info, #2 Equipment thread, and #3 Miscellaneous.

I think that is quite an accomplishment...

Also all of the other Club Threads combined total 132,112 posts. For a combined total of 186,555.

We have 54,443 to ourselves right now...

I just thought it was cool.

#4!!!

Let's get top three!!!

:D

I'm working on it, I have 10.5K posts now.

how do you track total number of personal posts?

I'm working on it, I have 10.5K posts now.



You may have more posts, but I've used more and bigger words which signifies my superior intellegence over you and pet hamster, Opie. :cool:

how do you track total number of personal posts?



Do a "Search", by "user name", set it to "newer than 5 years"

or older than 1 day.

Twoputt: 1256 Threads, 10450 Posts
Lazyfurdog: 508 Threads, 4813 Posts
The_RedHaired_One: 429 Threads, 2088 Posts
Two_Finger_Slinger: 259 Threads, 1535 Posts
side arm: 143 Threads, 601 Posts
:o

Twoputt: 1256 Threads, 10450 Posts
Lazyfurdog: 508 Threads, 4813 Posts
The_RedHaired_One: 429 Threads, 2088 Posts
Two_Finger_Slinger: 259 Threads, 1535 Posts
side arm: 143 Threads, 601 Posts
:o



What's mine?

More proof that it takes you twice as many posts as me for you to defend your BS. :D

75 Threads, 361 Posts :(

Also proof I am more places than just on the TDSA thread. :p

Twoputt: 1256 Threads, 10450 Posts
wforest 510 threads , 5067 posts ( er , now 5068 ) :D
Lazyfurdog: 508 Threads, 4813 Posts
The_RedHaired_One: 429 Threads, 2088 Posts
Two_Finger_Slinger: 259 Threads, 1535 Posts
side arm: 143 Threads, 601 Posts
:o

Yeah. I imagine there's not a public bathroom or YMCA bath house in the county that you haven't been either. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Cat boy.

wow not only do you post alot when you have nothing better to do
you have time to track it as well
i f kin love this board

"Monkey Slapper"

� it�s that time of year for TDSA members to reflect on the upcoming Club Picnic � November 2 � the Tulsa Disc Sports Association holds an open-meeting that day for ALL PLAYERS ; whether they are current Club Members or not �
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� however :
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� only current Club Members are allowed to vote that-day in the Fall Election � or , to be included-on-the-ballot for position of Administrator � in the early 90�s , �Tulsa Disc Golf Club� had 3 to 5 Adminstrators � in 1999, the club gained non-profit-status in Oklahoma � the name changed to �Tulsa Disc Sports Association� and a Constitution/By-Laws were drawn-up and adopted � rapid-growth of TDSA now requires the current-total of 14 Administrators �
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� as a reminder here : an Administrator is simply a fellow-club-member who volunteers their time and efforts on behalf of the Club � also : an Administrator is not necessarily a TD � and a TD is not necessarily an Administrator �
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� AND � the inherent strength of TDSA has always been the wide-variety of these club-members � all levels-of-talent ; abilities ; and experience are needed to fully represent the complete Club and community �
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� why the soap-box ? � there is MORE planned expansion and activity in-and-around this area of Oklahoma � another possible NT Event soon � a possible bid for hosting the World Championships again within 5 years � maintaining and repairing our currently-high-number of Courses in-and-around Tulsa ; as well as EXPANSION � that�s right � some all-new Courses in some ALL-NEW-LOCATIONS �
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� which leads to a short wrap-up � TDSA needs more Players and Members to step-up and be a Club Administrator � sometimes TD positions open up as well �
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� who will ask to be printed on the 2008 TDSA Fall Ballot ? �

... talk about it at the minis ... ask other TD's , Members , Admistrators about it ... our strength is our diversity ... be a part of it ... ( but let us know soon ) ...

... since the inception of the Tulsa Disc Golf Club in the early 90's ; and now including the Tulsa Disc Sports Association ; there have been 32 individuals who have served as Administrators for the Club ... (that total includes the 14 who currently serve) ...

Cool - the club has a non-profit status! I didn't know that, and I'm an lifetime member. That means all my "donations" ;) are tax deductible! I'm really stoked about this. How about a contact person's name, an official address and a tax id #. You can pm me if you don't want it out there for everyone to see.

� who will ask to be printed on the 2008 TDSA Fall Ballot ?



As God wills it......I will run for ADMIN if for nothing else but to expose the corruption and to cancel out Opie's vote!!!!! ;)

I will also expect a $5000 added cash TDSA sponsorship for CS25!!!! :D

Not so fast there Geurin.

I think Mr. Forest got a little ahead of himself.

We are not officially anything.

To obtain non-profit status you generally need to:

1. Draft bylaws and assemble a governing board.

2. Incorporate. (In the state of our choice of course, does not have to be Oklahoma...that is to say if OK's statues require more than we can do then we can incorporate in Montana or Maine or something...)

3. Obtaining tax exempt status from the IRS.

4. Completing additional documents relating to state compliance, annual reporting requirements, and sound corporate record keeping practices.


As far as I know we have created bylaws and have a board of administrators, so number one is good. I can't/haven't found any evidence of our official incorporation so I would guess that we didn't actually get that done.

Also I don't remember ever seeing out Tax Id # anywhere, unless Forest has been hording it, so I think we are not good with the old IRS.


I have approached the club, as an administrator, about getting this stuff done, but make no mistake, it is not done.


Actually I read somewhere that we are not actually hunting 501 C 3 status but a slight derivative like 501 C 7 status.


Just FYI.

We are filed with the State of Oklahoma as a "Not for Profit Corporation."

But that doesn't mean we don't profit. :)

There's a general club fund, and then there are those secret off-shore accounts. :cool:

I just did some clever searching and came up with this info...

When searching all business entities, on the Secretary of States website I found this...

Filing number: 2100628530

Name: Tulsa Disc Sports Association

Entity Type: Domestic Not for Profit Corporation

Name Type: Legal

Registered Agent: Rick Neil (with contact info)

Effective Date: 8/16/99

So it appears that we have probably incorporated as well.

So we have bylaws and are incorporated as a not for profit it seems.

I am going to dig in and see if I can find anything about our 501 C 3 status.

Note, there is a filing fee of $750 for 501 C 3 status, but it is reduced to $300 if your annual income is less than 10K.

Did not find us on the IRS website...


So it looks like all we need to do is to get our IRS 501C-whatever status done and we will be golden.

The toughest part of dealing with the IRS will be

* A statement of activities detailing, as specifically as possible, the proposed activities of the new organizations.
* Estimated budgets for three years.

The club does not make any profit. While we may be holding monies in accounts, all of the monies are put back into the membership and the community.

I wouldn't worry about getting spied on here Dave.

If anyone reads this stuff they would see that we are trying to get official....


For 501(C)(3) status we must be filed as a Private Charity, a Private Operating Foundation, or a Private Foundation.

501(C)(7) status is reserved for Social and Recreational Clubs.

I think I remember other disc golf clubs as being both 501 (c)(3) and others being 501(C)(7)'s...

... yes , we have a "certificate" from the State of Oklahoma ... issued in 99 ... Belty and Neil (along with the other Admins at the time) got that filed 'n' done ... what that entails I-know-not ...
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... Wise has always been our "resident expert" on these matters ...
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... it appears that the red-haired-wonder is fast becoming our most learned-scholar for these issues ... nice to have "multi-talented" players involved , ay ? ...

The definition of our activities lean more towards a 501(C)7 more than a 501(C)3

And I still feel the costs of managing either one of those entiies will out weigh the benefit received from them.

When trying to attract sponsors, budgets are very limited when it comes to donations to a non-profit and they are set way in advance in the year. How ever adviertising budgets are much larger and they are adjusted through out the year and immediately deductible under their company expenses.

So???

The club does not make any profit. While we may be holding monies in accounts, all of the monies are put back into the membership and the community.



Ok. The club doesn't make a profit but Wayne gets a new van, you get thousands in "so-called" advisor fees, and Opie gets another year of college tuition???? :confused: ;)

And what about the Golden Parachutes? :D

have you given any thought to the time and costs associated with a 501 vs the benefits from it, when comapred to where we are now?

And I still feel the costs of managing either one of those entiies will out weigh the benefit received from them.



There are no costs for upkeep.

No cash costs anyway...most of the responsibilities after the fact are supplying certain information...

Read some of this if you want...this is 501(c)(3) stuff...

What responsibilities accompany 501(c)(3) status?
While conferring benefits on 501(c)(3) organizations,
federal tax law also imposes responsibilities on organizations receiving that status.
Recordkeeping
Section 501(c)(3) organizations are required to keep books and records detailing all activities, both financial and nonfinancial. Financial information,
particularly information on its sources of support (contributions, grants, sponsorships, and other sources of revenue) is crucial to determining an organization�s private foundation status. See Publication 4221-PC and 4221-PF, Publication 557, and the instructions to Forms 990, 990-EZ, and 990PF
for more information.
Filing Requirements
Annual Information Returns � Organizations recognized as tax exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the IRC may be required to file an annual information return: Form 990, Form 990-EZ, or Form 990-PF along with Schedules A and B. Certain categories of organizations are excepted from filing Form 990 or Form 990-EZ including churches and very small organizations. See the instructions with each of these forms for more information.
Annual Electronic Notice � Small organizations are not required to file Form 990 if their gross receipts are normally $25,000 or less. Beginning in 2008, however, these organizations must submit
an annual electronic notice using Form 990N,
Electronic Notice (e-Postcard) for Tax-Exempt
501(c3)
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Organizations not Required To File Form 990 or 990-EZ, also known as the e-Postcard. The e-Postcard can only be filed electronically; there is no paper version. For more information about the e-Postcard, go to www.irs.gov. (http://www.irs.gov.)
Unrelated Business Income Tax � In addition to filing Form 990, 990-EZ, or 990-PF, an exempt organization
must file Form 990-T if it has $1,000 or more of gross receipts from an unrelated trade or business during the year. The organization must make quarterly payments of estimated tax on unrelated business income if it expects its tax for the year to be $500 or more. The organization may use Form 990-W to help calculate the amount of estimated payments required. In general, the tax is imposed on income from a regularly carried-on trade or business that does not further the orga-nization�s exempt purposes (other than by providing
funds). See Publication 598, Tax on Unrelated Business Income of Exempt Organizations, and the Form 990-T instructions for more information.
disclosure Requirements
Public Inspection of Exemption Applications and Returns � Section 501(c)(3) organizations must make their application (Form 1023) and the three most recent annual returns (Form 990 or Form 990-EZ) available to the public, upon request and without charge (except for a reasonable charge for copying). The IRS also makes these documents available for public inspection and copying. Private foundation returns (Form 990-PF) filed on or after March 13, 2000, are subject to the same disclosure rules. These documents must be made available at the organization�s principal office during regular business hours. Upon request, an organization
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must furnish copies of the application and the three most recent annual returns. The requests may be made in person or in writing. See Publication 557 for more information.
For tax years beginning after August 17, 2006, section
501(c)(3) organizations that file unrelated business
income tax returns (Forms 990-T) must make them available for public inspection.
Charitable Contributions� Substantiation and Disclosure � Organizations that are tax exempt under section 501(c)(3) of the IRC must meet certain requirements for documenting charitable contributions.
The federal tax law imposes two general disclosure rules: 1) a donor must obtain a written acknowledgment from a charity for any single contribution
of $250 or more before the donor can claim a charitable contribution on his/her federal income tax return; 2) a charitable organization must provide a written disclosure to a donor who makes a payment in excess of $75 partly as a contribution and partly for goods and services provided
by the organization. See Publication 1771,
Charitable Contributions � Substantiation and Disclosure Requirements, for more information.
Recordkeeping Requirements
A donor cannot claim a tax deduction for any contribution
of cash, a check or other monetary gift made on or after January 1, 2007, unless the donor maintains a record of the contribution in the form of either a bank record (such as a cancelled check) or a written communication from the charity (such as a receipt or a letter) showing the name of the charity, the date of the contribution, and the amount of the contribution.

I think the PDGA could possibly apply for 501(c)(7) status and cover all of the local clubs.

I was just reading through 501(c)(7) stuff and it says that an organization can be nationwide and cover all of its local branches.

Maybe not, but that would be a cool thing to accomplish.

Andrew, you are not the first one to look at it.

So you want the board to file its own tax returns? With no CPA or accountant? Because I tell you one thing, if you so much as miss one item or bring up a red flag, you will wish you had a CPA do them. The costs of the CPA alone we be no small expense.

And whos is going to handle all of the filings, reports and returns afer you are gone?

As it is right now, we are off the radar, I'd hate to see us come up on the radar and then reply, "You sank my battleship" :p

If we get larger than we are currently it may be a necessary evil, but if it can be avoided it needs to be.
Record keeping will have to be much more than it is now. Tds will have to keep detailed mini sheets to back up deposits to the club, it will basicaly turn into a business that is much different than the way we know it now. Club events will have to be very detailed in the accounting than it is now.

I am not saying that I am the first one to think of it....(we incorporated in 99)

What I am saying is that I think we would be exempt from filing returns seeing that our annual income is FAR less than $25,000.

That puts us in the same lot as most churches and etc.

So we would only have to file this little e-postcard thing once a year, which seems to be little more than an e-mail saying that we still exist.

I have attorney friends that I will talk to. I am sure there is a way for us to get what we want...


And as far as under the radar is concerned...I think we have more to worry about now than we would if we had this done...

The better thing would be to be under the same type of umbrella under the PDGA.

I know your intents is right on track Andrew, so was mine when I started with it and I even set up a meeting with a Non-profit CPA and an Attorney. There are some issues you may not be aware of, like fiiling all the back returns for previous years and bringing the club up to current date with the IRS. Or you could just start a hole new entity. It all looks good in the begining but once you get further into it, it appears to be an almost full time job. If you can do it, more power to you. ;)