Just got sanctioning approved for the 2008 Seneca Creek Soiree.

Late season A Tier to help finish out the fall season. November 15 / 16, 2008. Seneca Creek State Park - Gaithersburg, MD.

Tournament website and flyer will be up shortly.

We've been working hard getting teepads in after the course was re-designed a year ago. Additional pin placements have been added to stretch it out as well.

Format will be 2 - 18 hole rounds on Saturday, 1-27 hole round Sunday w/a cut to a final 9 (players TBD).

Can one enter both Pro Masters & Pro Open? ;)

I'm ready to register. As I know are many other Pittsburgh golfers who are planning on coming out this year. Me, J Gary, Jerry Gotcher, Lori MErriman, and hopefully more.

Kurt, Alanna, Stella from the 724 as well.

Thanks for the info Craigger, seTing date on the Calendar, been nice holding onto this Awesome Trophy a liTTle longer. Lots of history on this Trophy

Team Yinzer will be represented to the fullest at Seneca.

Great news about the Soiree, Craig! I've got an entry fee burning a hole in my pocket.... :)

Are you planning to offer a limited number of amateur spots similar to last year's event?

Jerry, (not exactly) I sent you a flyer.

Hey Schweb - can you post a photo of that awesome trophy?

Field is limited to 90 players.

werking on iTT

Hey Craig.....received the flyer and planning to mail my entry fee today! I do have a question, however....please check your PMs. Thanks!

BUMP


There has been a flurry of early activity. If you need a flyer to post, please PM me and I will get it to you.

We also have embroidered polos and hats on the way to help raise $$ for the event. Several colors are available, but quantities are limited. Custom discs soon to follow.

If you need a flyer to post, please PM me and I will get it to you.



I'd start by posting one right here, Craigger! :)

17TH ANNUAL
SENECA CREEK SOIREE
NOVEMBER 15/16, 2008
A PDGA A-TIER EVENT

TO BE CONTESTED ON THE 27 HOLE SENECA CREEK STATE PARK DISC GOLF COURSE IN GAITHERSBURG, MARYLAND

FORMAT: SATURDAY � 2 RNDS OF 18 HOLES (TEES AND PINS TBD)
SUNDAY � 1 ROUND OF 27 HOLES (TEES AND PINS TBD) W/A CUT TO THE TOP 8 PLAYERS FOR A FINAL 9 HOLES
DIVISIONS OFFERED: PRO DIVISIONS ONLY � (NO SEPARATE AMATEUR DIVISIONS) LIMIT � 90 PLAYERS
MPO (Open to all Men) � SLIDING ENTRY FEE BASED ON PLAYER RATING (AS FOLLOWS)
1000 and over = $90
980-999 = $80
960-979 = $70
940-959 = $60
920-939 = $50
919 and under = $40
MPG (Men over 50) = $60
FPO (Ladies) = $50

Only PDGA members are eligible to compete in this event. Players registered as Amateurs can play, using entry fees based on sliding scale above. Players are eligible for cash and/or merchandise prizes to retain Am status.

Shadow Divisions: New this year is the concept of �shadow divisions� where a set aside prize purse will be awarded to the top finishers that would otherwise qualify for PDGA divisions not being offered (MPM (Masters), MA1 (Advanced AM). Ask me for further details.

Directions to Park: Located approx. 20 miles NW of Washington DC. From South � use I-270, and get off at Exit 10 (Clopper Rd) and go West. Park entrance is 2 miles on the left. From North � use I-270, and get off at Exit 11 (Quince Orchard Rd), turn right at bottom of ramp and go 1/2mile and turn right on Clopper Rd. Park entrance is 1-1/2 miles on left. Once in the park, go through the toll gate and then turn right. Follow park road until it ends (about 1-1/2 miles) and turn right. Road goes over a bridge right into the DG parking lot. Please OBEY PARK SPEED LIMITS 20MPH!!!!

Pre-registration is MANDATORY as no registration will be accepted the day of the event. To register, please send check or M.O. made out to �Cedar Farm Golf Club� to Craig Gangloff 9800 Hawkins Creamery Rd Damascus, MD 20872

for further info or questions - contact me at gang4010@hotmail.com

BUMP

Just a note - We've got some nice embroidered polos on the way to raise $$for this event, available in red, black, navy, royal blue, and heather gray. $25 ea

Thanks for your support! :)

Hey Schweb - where's that pic of that Awesome traveling trophy???

Pre-registration is rolling in. I have no doubt this event will fill. Don't be left out! Sign up today! Come experience the new Seneca Creek - it'll leave you smiling :)

Hey Schweb - where's that pic of that Awesome traveling trophy???

Trophy (http://discgolfer.ning.com/photo/photo/show?id=1809917%3APhoto%3A955196&context=user) some winners (http://discgolfer.ning.com/photo/photo/show?id=1809917%3APhoto%3A955210&context=user) TThe ResTT (http://discgolfer.ning.com/photo/photo/show?id=1809917%3APhoto%3A955218&context=user)

Excited to play in this one...Seneca has always been a favorite of mine...Unfortunately haven't played it since the Soiree last year. Has the course changed a lot?

The most significant changes have been in the installation of permanent tees. We still have about 15 to do to have 2 on every hole, but we're getting there.
There has been a minor reconfiguration that has happened since then as well - so the loops are better organized. Instead of an 8, 9, & 10 hole loop, there are 3 nine hole loops, each starting and finishing at the parking lot. This reconfiguration resulted in losing 2 of the new holes and regaining 1 of the old ones, and adding one new one. There were some numbering changes associated with this reconfiguration as well.
There have also been several extended pin placements put in since last year's Soiree (Holes 1, 4, (soon to be 6, and 8) 14, 15, are the ones that come to mind). There are several more in the works, as well as some super extended tees in some locations.

You may want to plan a weekend to check it out before November.

nice...having three 9 hole loops that start and end at the same place sounds great..can't wait to see it..i'll definitely be up there before november.thanks for the update

When will the Pre-registration be posted on the board?

I meant to get it in last weekend, but I was zonked out on pain killers after oral surgery - and didn't get to it. Probably by early next week, it'll be up on the PDGA board - I posted current pre-reg on the MD Board last week - there's about 12-14 registered so far.

Thanks Craig! :D:cool::p

I will have flyers and polos at Hawk Hollow this weekend. Current pre-reg is at 30 players. Still plenty of room - but I expect that to change rapidly.

wooooo hoooooo

Up to about 40 pre-registered, will update list as soon as website will allow. Don't wait too long - we will fill at 90.

Revised map of the 27 hole layout
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff323/BluemonTimber/Seneca%20Creek/sc_v4_12_10212008.jpg

Current registration as of 11/1 (50 players)

The MPO division is currently made up of the following:
<900 - 3
900-919 - 5
920-939 - 10
940-959 - 4
960-979 - 6
980-999 - 4
1000+ - 5

Pretty balanced so far. What I expected to be the biggest chunk of players is currently one of the smallest (940-980). But there's still time :)

MPO 7956 Jerry Gotcher 972
MPO 33685 Josh Charlton 873
MPO 13009 Dave Burroughs 972
MPO 29526 Kurt Poole 902
MPO 15453 Greg Service 928
MPO 32504 Evan Uhl 910
MPO 24542 James Thompson 939
MPO 35744 Robert Smith 912
MPO 10829 Mark Humphrey 882
MPO 7750 John Gregory 1000
MPO 9030 Ron Turner 991
MPO 20356 Tim Haynes 967
MPO 18806 Sean Burkett 920
MPO 25987 Erik Smith 979
MPO 22251 Scott Mallar 970
MPO 4010 Craig Gangloff 1005
MPO 14279 Mark Sherwood 923
MPO 25734 Ross Pancoast 981
MPO 27172 Tom Coffin 938
MPO 30677 Elliot Sanders 935
MPO 31123 Shawn Johnson 929
MPO 31183 Richard Braun 915
MPO 22697 Joe Hewlett 995
MPO 28742 Mark Stiles 876
MPO 16199 Dave Huff 916
MPO 5557 Mike Moser 1015
MPO 12989 Brian Schweberger 1023
MPO 10628 Steve Brinster 1018
MPO 32461 Jerry Kramer 925
MPO 20219 Ryan Lugo 968
MPO 11722 Tom Kim 981
MPO 25410 Larry Pearce 943
MPO 19614 Rich Myers 927
MPO 33805 Allen Smith 945
MPO 37401 Brian Rayburn
MPO 28641 Ryan Rice 950
MPO 32779 Sam Valasquez 928
MPO 32715 Owen Hileman 956
MPO NC Chris Longmeier
FPO 30819 Alanna Houck 858
FPO 25084 Marielle Mallar 917
FPO 7279 Amy Moser 870
FPO 15638 Lesli Brinster 908
FPO 20573 Lindsay Lugo 834
FPO 33754 Becky Sonnheim 849
FPO 33679 Ania Knapinska 800
MPG 25403 Rick Honn 918
MPG 2734 J. Gary Dropcho 974
MPG 12292 Brady Smith 891
MPG 2845 Lewis Graninger 953

I decided to choose this thread to wish our buddy, PP, a happy birfday! :)

Tanks Jerry :DNow I'm really Masters age :o

happy b-day, se�or pitts

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Lot of good that will do you for the Soiree.
You're not actually gonna play a turnie are you? Really? :eek:
I'm rooting for you. :D

Tanks Jerry :DNow I'm really Masters age :o



I can tell you're getting old.....spelling errors often indicate old age and/or senility. :D

Lot of good that will do you for the Soiree.
You're not actually gonna play a turnie are you? Really? :eek:
I'm rooting for you. :D

Now that I'm 40, I'm only playin OPEN . Masters is bad luck.

You see that Goocher...playing Masters is bad luck.

Recently added to the Pre-reg list:
MPO Clay Roth
MPO Andrew Moss

I have been contacted by - and expect to add these guys shortly;
MPO Jay Gobrecht
MPO Craig Leyva
MPO Jeff Layland
MPO Joe Mela
MPO Glenn Patterson
MPO Paul Lichtinger
MPO Bobby Noble


To reiterate info on the flyer

THERE WILL BE NO DAY OF REGISTRATION - PLEASE SEND OR CONTACT ME ASAP TO ASSURE YOUR SPOT.

Recently added to the Pre-reg list:
MPO Clay Roth
MPO Andrew Moss
MPO Kevin Pinky Clark
MPO Mike Toad Myers
MPO Jeff Layland
MPO Max Kuller
MPO Joe Pelchat
MPG Bobby Herman
FPO Kelly Boyce
FPO Nicole Frazer
MPO Mark Boyce
MPO Craig Leyva


I have been contacted by - and expect to add these guys shortly;
MPO Jay Gobrecht
MPO George Brown
MPO Will Bach
MPO Joe Mela
MPO Glenn Patterson
MPO Paul Lichtinger
MPO Bobby Noble
MPO Jim Myers
MPO Hawk Corrick
MPG Tom Edwards


This puts pre-reg total at about 70 - don't wait too long guys


To reiterate info on the flyer

THERE WILL BE NO DAY OF REGISTRATION - PLEASE SEND OR CONTACT ME ASAP TO ASSURE YOUR SPOT.

Cutoff for Refunds is Wednesday 11/12/08 I will post a waiting list if we get that far.

TEE TIME SATURDAY WILL BE 9AM

Wow - it's exciting to see an FPO field of ten players!!

Current pre-registration is around 74 players - just a few days left folks.

We've got lunch for everybody both days, and the course is looking sweet with lots of new concrete tees and several new pin placements.

TEE TIME SATURDAY is 9AM

THERE WILL BE NO DAY OF REGISTRATION - PLEASE SEND OR CONTACT ME ASAP TO ASSURE YOUR SPOT.

Who's the 10th? Hawk? :D

Lesli Brinster
Allana Houck
Marielle Mallar
Becky Sonnheim
Lindsay Lugo
Amy Moser
Nicole Frazer
Ania Knapinska
Kelly Boyce
Kristin Weidle

pretty nice field!!

Looking forward to the last Disc Golf road trip of the year for Team Yinzer. Can't wait until Friday!!! It will be nice to finally make another trip to Seneca.

Hey Craig, I was wondering if there will be any registration on site the day of the event?

THERE WILL BE NO DAY OF REGISTRATION - PLEASE SEND OR CONTACT ME ASAP TO ASSURE YOUR SPOT.

You're not Craig

Only Chris Hysell can register the day of the event. All remaining questions cost a dollar.

It would be great to come to see Seneca again but I don't think I can get out of previous plans.

You probably wouldn't recognize the place Chris. I don't think you've been back since we changed the course from 18 to 27 holes. There are only 7 of the original 18 holes still in place - all the rest are new.

Have the tees and/or pin positions been decided yet?

Yes

That'll be $1 dollar

Tees and pins will be mixed. If you find yourself on a tee wiithout little orange flags, you are on the wrong tee. All tees and pins will be indicated in the program. Most pins will be either B or C pins and will not move the entire weekend. Sunday's round of 27 will likely see a few longer teepads. Keep your program with you at all times.

I'm adopting the Spencer Thurman/Kirk Yoo rule - if you ask a question that's covered in the program - it costs you a dollar :)

Where's the program?

Putting the finishing touches on it this morning. You can pick up a program when you sign in. Beth will be checking people in Friday afternoon starting around 2pm.

That'll be one dollar :)

2 days to go - here is current pre-rgistation (79 players)

MPO 7956 Jerry Gotcher 972
MPO 33685 Josh Charlton 873
MPO 13009 Dave Burroughs 972
MPO 29526 Kurt Poole 902
MPO 15453 Greg Service 928
MPO 32504 Evan Uhl 910
MPO 24542 James Thompson 939
MPO 35744 Robert Smith 912
MPO 10829 Mark Humphrey 882
MPO 7750 John Gregory 1000
MPO 9030 Ron Turner 991
MPO 20356 Tim Haynes 967
MPO 18806 Sean Burkett 920
MPO 25987 Erik Smith 979
MPO 22251 Scott Mallar 970
MPO 4010 Craig Gangloff 1005
MPO 23951 Max Kuller 940
MPO 25734 Ross Pancoast 981
MPO 27172 Tom Coffin 938
MPO 30677 Elliot Sanders 935
MPO 25490 Keith Palmer 946
MPO 31123 Shawn Johnson 929
MPO 31183 Richard Braun 915
MPO 22697 Joe Hewlett 995
MPO 28742 Mark Stiles 876
MPO 16199 Dave Huff 916
MPO 5557 Mike Moser 1015
MPO 12989 Brian Schweberger 1023
MPO 10628 Steve Brinster 1018
MPO 32461 Jerry Kramer 925
MPO 20219 Ryan Lugo 968
MPO 11722 Tom Kim 981
MPO 25410 Larry Pearce 943
MPO 19614 Rich Myers 927
MPO 33805 Allen Smith 945
MPO 37401 Brian Rayburn
MPO 28641 Ryan Rice 950
MPO 32715 Owen Hileman 956
MPO 32779 Sam Valasquez 928
MPO 29014 Mike (Toad) Myers 922
MPO 33872 Clay Roth 909
MPO 32287 Andrew Moss 873
MPO 5787 Craig Leyva 984
MPO 14268 Jay Gobrecht 988
MPO 17682 Jeff Layland 996
MPO 19589 Bobby Noble 933
MPO 2607 Joe Mela 1009
MPO 24095 Earl Frazier 922
MPO 27892 Glenn Patterson 957
MPO 26151 Joe Pelchat 967
MPO 10517 Mark Boyce 971
MPO 30756 Kevin Clark 951
MPO 11288 George Brown 912
MPO 29352 Nate Krahn 1007
MPO 22013 Hawk Corrick 940
MPO 31885 Will Bach 947
MPO 33396 Patrick Smith 899
MPO 26391 Robert Callender 961
MPO 26242 Naved Hasnain 980
MPO 37261 Chris Blose NR
MPO 26395 Nick Schneider 984
MPO 9009 Pete Johnson 975
MPO NC Chris Longmire


FPO 30819 Alanna Houck 858
FPO 25084 Marielle Mallar 917
FPO 7279 Amy Moser 870
FPO 15638 Lesli Brinster 908
FPO 20573 Lindsay Lugo 834
FPO 33754 Becky Sonnheim 849
FPO 33679 Ania Knapinska 800
FPO 24355 Nicole Frazer 938
FPO 21344 Kelly Boyce 891
FPO 17959 Kristin Weidle 928

MPG 25403 Rick Honn 918
MPG 2734 J. Gary Dropcho 974
MPG 12292 Brady Smith 891
MPG 2845 Lewis Graninger 953
MPG 14279 Mark Sherwood 923
MPG 31439 Bobby Herman 841
MPG 3529 Tom Edwards 930
MPG 21261 Greg Wheeler 930

^ ^ ^ Nice field! :)

pdga admin is back up - so the pre-reg has been updated there also

LUNCH WILL BE PROVIDED BOTH DAYS

Saturday will feature Beef Brisket BBQ from Renaissance Catering, some sort of salad (macaroni or potato - I forget) Coleslaw, and hot apple cider. There will be 6-8 veggie sandwiches for non meatatarians.

Sunday will feature deli subs and chips (probably no veggie fare on Sunday - sorry.)

Sodas and bottled water will also be provided

Thanks go to Danny Schrider of Renaissance Catering, Sean Burkett and Wednesday Night Doubles, and Cedar Farm Golf Club for feeding everybody.

5 spots left

Schwebby leading by 7. Or so he says...

Is Brian prone to exageration?

Schwebby leading by 7. Or so he says...

Is Brian prone to exageration?



When have you known Brian to lie about his scores? :p

Open
Brian Schweberger 104
Steve Brinster 111
John Gregory 114

GO! GO! GO!
What a lead card!
Three of the greatest disc golfers in the world!
(Nothing against the other lead card members, I'm sure you're great too or you wouldn't be playing the next round with Brian,Steve and JG.)
Man I wish I could 'av been there.

But...

Where's...

Craig?

Man I wish I could 'av been there.



You're missing a good one, Bob. :)

You will be amazed when you see this place again....

Craig decided not to play, dumb decision I would like to see him on the lead card too, I told him to play but nooooo he has to run a perfect turnie ..... :cool:

Craig probably thought it was unfair to all those other great players as it's his home course.
Maybe he's starting a trend and all course pros will, one day, refain from playing in their own local events.
...and he's been playing so well this year. :(

Schwebbie (http://sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/IMG_7384.JPG) wins his 16th of the year by double digits! Slide Show! (http://www.sharkysshots.com/displayimage.php?album=144&pid=7176&slideshow=5000 )

Pictures (http://sharkysshots.com/thumbnails.php?album=144&page=1)

Maybe he's starting a trend and all TD's will, one day, refain from playing in their own events.



fixed your post :D

way to go schweb and weidle!

ratings for round 3 are all screwy- probably set to 18 holes when it was 27.

congrats to craig on what appears to have been a successful experiment.

Congrats Scweb on great play all weekend - way to go repeaTT!!

Yes adjustments to round info still need to be made.

I'd like to thank everyone for coming out and participating in my DG laboratory. I learned several (I think) important things (pros and cons) that I wil share when I'm more awake.

I think largely it was a successful experiment, but could still use a little tweaking to make it even better. I heard no complaints about the divisional format, but I also received only one response to my SURVEY :)

If you played this weekend, and you still have your program, please drop me a PM with your thoughts - you can't let Hawk be the only one to respond! :)

If you played this weekend, and you still have your program, please drop me a PM with your thoughts - you can't let Hawk be the only one to respond! :)



I continue to be the most powerful voice in disc.

So I haven't gotten a lot of feedback yet on my Soiree experiment, but the feedback I have gotten has been largely positive. Here are a few items to note and think about.

I have long advocated condensing the #of divisions available for competition, claiming that given a larger field, players currently in the MPM and MA1 categories would indeed have a chance to cash in the MPO division. From a very basic standpoint, the Soiree results bear support for that argument.

Of 15 MPM players - 12 of them cashed - that's 80%
Of 31 total cashers - 11 of them would qualify for what the PDGA calls MA1 players (rated under 970) - and 2 would qualify for MA2 (rated under 935)

The questions that will arise will be many. Some of the more significant ones are:
1) Does the event have good perceived value for lower rated players? And where is the ceiling for that perception?(i.e. at what $$entry will that perceived value be lost?)
2) Does the sliding scale provide enough perceived value to make the overall competition more fair?
3) Will eliminating the inequities in the traditional divisional structure cause MPM players to shy away from a larger division? (In other words - if you take away their bigger pay day -will they still continue to play?)
4) Given that the sliding scale reduced the size of the overall purse - does this scheme still provide sufficient perceived value for the higher rated player for THEM to continue to travel and participate? (Of course, more added cash would go a long way towards making it ALL better)
5) Is the "EVENT" itself of sufficient quality to draw players of all skill levels in spite of the irregularity of the divisional structure?

Next year's Soiree has been submitted for June 6/7, when we will have significantly warmer weather, and lots more daylight. I'll be working on tweaking the ideas used this year for next - and I am open to all your feedback about your likes/dislikes of my mad scientist DG labORatORy.

I think Disc'n'Dat got June 6/7 for an A-tier already which is probably in your radius plus there's one in AZ.

disc n dat bluegrass open is may 9-10 on the schedule i received. there is the treebash open in az that weekend but that doesn't matter in terms of scheduling here.

If you look at Disc n Dat thread, he said they changed from Mother's Day to June 6-7.

http://discussion.pdga.com/msgboard/show...ge=0#Post888854 (http://discussion.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=888854&an=0&page=0#Post8 88854)

Is that somewhere in KY?? Don't think there's much crossover in draw there, but I guess we'll see.

Burlington, KY (just south of Cincinatti.....and 517 miles from Gaithersburg, MD according to Yahoo! Maps (http://maps.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTExNmIycG51BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEc2VjA2ZwLWJ1 dHRvbgRzbGsDbGluaw--#mvt=m&lat=39.595195&lon=-80.95881&zoom=7&q1=gaithersburg%2C%20md&q2=burling ton%2C%20ky) ).

It's the A-tier mileage factor which may come into play regardless of player draw. I think it might be 500 miles and possibly no more than 2 events on a weekend but the 2009 tour guide isn't posted yet to consult. Cincy is about 500 miles from Seneca according to the PDGA course directory.

Sounds like they are far enough apart to me - but like I said - I guess we'll see!! Gentry would be the one to decide right? Although we do get travelers from further away than that, seems to me - that amount of separation won't hurt the draw for either event.

There may be something even bigger going on that weekend also that hasn't been posted until details get worked out and approved.

nice to have all the correct info when we're trying to build a schedule...

There may be something even bigger going on that weekend also that hasn't been posted until details get worked out and approved.



while you're dropping hints can i have one as to whether it will be something on the side of the country i have to worry about in setting up a schedule? pm me or email if you'd like.

A little late, but congrats Craig on giving this new system a try. I was a bit of a doubter but it really did look like players at least in the 940< range had real odds of breaking the cashline at a reduced price. Oh yeah, and win $$$$$$ instead of plastic!!!

Did you have difference in feedback from different skill levels? I'd be interested to see at what rating level players would be willing to do these tournaments more than one weekend each year.

There were three guys that cashed that were under 940 (a 938, a 929, and a 920). I am slowly getting feedback from players across the skill spectrum. The response so far from higher rated players was an appreciation for getting to play with folks they don't normally get a chance to (which at least on the surface is evidence to me that the top pros are in fact friendly and approachable people - unlike the commonly voiced stereotype to the contrary). The lower rated players I've heard from voiced an appreciation of value for participation. Even though their chances of cashing was low - the oportunity to play w/top players at a reduced rate seems to have been well received. The mid level guys I've heard from felt the same way - knowing they had to play well to cash seems to have been a motivating factor - which is at odds with what one might expect from the normally "entitled" group that ususally only has to play "ok" to still be awarded merch.

To be honest, I haven't gotten enough volume of responses to identify trends in various skill groups - but from an overall standpoint - all the responses have been positive - suggesting a repeat attempt at the format (with some tweaking of course) would be well received.

What I would like to see - is some other TD try it so we can compare notes. I think one of the biggest lessons is that TD's really do have influence over players attitudes - and that the status quo divisional structure is neither magical, nor absolute in the minds of players. Provide them with a good venue, a fair price, and solid amenities - and the importance of the divisional structure takes a back seat.

One 876 rated player sent me an email and asked me to post it - which I did in the Ratings and Skill based section - if you want to see for yourself - please go read!

From a practical standpoint, the most important vote is whether they sign up to play or not. You had a good turnout so it was successful. The primary question now would be if they would enter it again under the same format. The reasons are only secondary since they will likely vary.

I agree Chuck.

Seems that many feel strongly and fall back on the argument of "what players want" when discussing doing anything different with divisions. So naturally when trying something different, I sought out players opinions of the pros/cons. No experiment can be 100% successful on the first try - so in seeking feedback - I'm hoping to make the next run through even better.

"The primary question now would be if they would enter it again under the same format."

For me the primary question is whether or not a similar response could be had in other regions of the country.

It doesn't really matter if other places adopt the format. There are still drawbacks if you think it's the way all events should be run. All of our formats that have proven popular have certain limitations in terms of being "the only format everyone should use" which is why we have a variety available for TDs to choose.

Sure it matters! :)

I have already said I don't necessarily advocate this format as the defacto default divisional format. That doesn't mean getting other people try it for the sake of trying it isn't worthy.

The fact that TD's HAVE choices doesn't mean much when the reality is that 98% of our events are all the same format - and use a divisional system with numerous flaws. Getting TD's to try alternate formats IS VERY IMPORTANT.

All I've done is provide a reference point for people to draw from. Players of all skill levels tried it and appear to be satisfied. It was easy to orchestrate and NOT complicated. So far the only detractors are people who weren't there. So now the question remains - "whether or not a similar response could be had in other regions of the country".

Consider it as if it were a paper in a medical or science journal. If the experiment can't be repeated by someone else with similar results - then the validity of the results are questionable. Multiple data points are essential.