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I heard Board is discussing plans tonight.

i heard 90 days. there was a proposal presented last nite. it didnt have a timeline because it was more about features and capabilities at this point.

Any word on the "Go" date?

Also, it seems i read somewhere on this BORED that this website is costing us, the pdga members, roughly <font color="red"> $75,000. </font> I can't seem to find the exact post where i saw the HEFTY price tag but it's out there somewhere. There's just too many long winded posts out there. :D

a contract of this type is complex. we have asked for several changes to the initial proposal, and are going through that back-n-forth process now. taking the time to make sure we have a god contract that works for both sides is important, and worth the time. unfortunately, it does not look like this will be put out for bid.

i have not seen a timeline for the project yet, so i am still going on approx 90 days from contract.

Not put out for bid? Are you kidding me?



So everyone's okay with paying whoever whatever?



<marquee><font size=6>WOW!!!</font></marquee>

no, i would not characterize it as "everyone". but enough seem to be to make it so.

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<marquee><font size=6>You gots to know somebody! "It's how the PDGA has always worked." </font></marquee>





Fixed it for you Bruce. You have to toggle to "using HTML" if you decide to use HTML in your posts.

Sounds like a bad busness policy one company get's project no need for bids! What a was of our money to not check for a better deal!

No doubt, I usually stand behind the PDGA on almost every subject, this is not good policy. Put it out to a bid if we only get one response that is one thing.

But not to even try and keep it low cost or shop for a better product or service is just plain crazy!

So who is the contractor we are in negotiation with?
Anyone know?
Chuck?

The rumor mill is that it will be the same guys that do the USDGC's website. Now, the aforementioned website is TOP NOTCH, no doubt about that, but anything with a significant cost attached to it should be bid upon.

Cool, So Kevin Smith of Activecurrent is the rumor?
I hope they include Marty Hapner in the consult.

I don't know. I also think you need to be careful about condemning bid vs no bid situations. Since Pat said they had been going back and forth on requirements with whoever they were dealing with, it's apparent the PDGA didn't have the criteria completely worked out in advance such that a proper bid could be formulated. There's a time and manpower cost involved in doing a fully blown bid, and for the money involved, there's a magic number where the net cost of not doing a bid and MAYBE paying more to the contractor can cost the same as MAYBE getting a lower bidder added to the time and labor cost of doing all of the bid requirements and process. This website upgrade is long overdue and is holding up cost reductions, better efficiencies, better member service and revenue producing initiatives. We need to "git'r done."

You really don't need to bid everything. I would have sent out a RPF (request for proposals) to a few firms that I know could do the job but, a full blown bid is not really needed for a website!

I always laugh at these kinds of threads,

1) they assume that our staff and ED aren't intelligent enough to do basic research on the cost structure of a web site

2) they assume that our staff and ED aren't aggressive enough to negotiate a reasonable price on such things

3) they neglect the reality that many bid contracts don't ever make the bid amount and come in over amount

4) they ignore the cost and effort involved in structuring a bid or RFP, knowing that it's accurate and covers everything you need.

So how many respondents did we get to our bid process? Are we going to get another FDM?

What seems responsible often isn't. It looks good on paper, but it ignores the reality of the world in which we live.

So, anyone out there got their third edition of FDM yet? Maybe we'll get it about the time that this responsible bidding process results in a new web site, at a much reduced price I'm sure.

actually, we do not assume those. certainly not #1 or #2. you are making a lot of assumptions with very little info. thats dangerous.

the proposal on the table is one made proactively by the vendor. it is not the vendor mentioned above.

i am not sure this can be put to bid. it might be too complicated. we do not have a specific list of deliverables or a timeline. its more of concept at this point. we are currently working on defining that aspect more completely.

Pat, I believe Lyle means "MB posters" when he says "They" -- not the BoD. MB posters are quick to criticize the BoD and staff, and slow to do any research.

true enough. i hadnot really considered who "they" was. hopefully this will be better: i dont believe that either the Board or the majority of message board posters make those assumptions. i know for sure the Board doesnt... i'm more guessing about the posters.

Yes, Tony is right on. I see assumptions all the time here. And while unwritten, the assumption here is very much that our ED, staff and Board can't make such decisions. If you constantly complain about how things are handled, openly support the Board Member who disrupts things the most, and even state that you support him because he is disruptive, then one has to assume you think the way things are being handled is inappropriate. As for myself, I think it is disingenuous to go on about all these things and then to pretend like you didn't say you disapproved just because you never wrote it out in a sentence. If I really want that garbage, I'll go watch the 2008 Presidential race.

Just for funsies, here's one assumption made just up-thread. Hero's acceptance of a $75,000 web development cost as a realistic number (when Hero does this it's entertainment, when a Board Member does it, it's irresponsible).

No one even bothered to ask whether that number had any merit whatsoever, not even Pat, who presumably knows the real numbers. Of course a simple perusal of the 2008 Budget shows very quickly, that number is way off the proposed budget for the web project (accepting of course that the budget numbers are somewhat in line with real expenditures).

Now, since it took a great deal of effort to find those numbers (I slaved away for all of 30 seconds) I can understand why people don't do it.

And by the way, my post was quite clear, I started off with "I always laugh at threads like these," since such threads are started by MB users, and posted on by MB users, then I would attribute them to such. That would include those who post on them unquestioningly thus giving them credibility. On the other hand, by and far, most Board Members don't come here and support the wide ranging and entertaining assumptions that get made on this site.

Hey, leave me out of this. I was just looking for some knee jerk reactions and boy let me be the first to say, some of you are trained like a seal. Arf, Arf. ;) :p :D

Were you the first one to mention $75,000 ?

tsk, tsk (should have gone for $95K)

Hey, leave me out of this. I was just looking for some knee jerk reactions and boy let me be the first to say, some of you are trained like a seal. Arf, Arf. ;) :p :D



Sad, trying to make the organization look bad for fun. Well, at least you're not trying to make the organization look bad to increase your position...

Arf Arf!

Not really, but let's just see how far off 75k is once the financial report becomes available. Arf. :D

If they ever do put it out for bid... I'd be happy to bid. I know I can do it cheaper than 75k :)

Don't know anything about timing of a new site, but I think the new tab for the MultiMedia resources is a nice new addition (http://www.pdga.com/media.php). Good work, whoever made that happen.

With the campaign for the presidency heating up, I have to try and post something directly under Terry every time he posts just for political reasons until it is finaly over..... Anti......... :D:D:D

Be careful "under" there, Senior. I'm not a vegetarian, you know. :D

Well... Isn't that special..... :eek:

Be careful "under" there, Senior. I'm not a vegetarian, you know. :D


Watch out, Senior. You may be next in line for one of THC's famous "haircuts".

Well... Isn't that special..... :eek:

Maybe, messy for sure . . . but <a href="http://www.geek.com/wake-n-bacon-wakes-you-with-the-smell-of-breakfast-20080731/"this</a> is really special! :cool:

That is awesome! :D

awesome but it cant be safe having raw bacon lay out all night then only getting 'cooked' by halogen lamps.

yum... botchalism! :P

Looks good so far. ;)



-Woj.
vewwy sneaky... or logical, one or the other.

Speaking with Theo Pozzy through e-mail this week, we were able to gather some answers about the new site. The questions asked were a combination of our creative thinking, and some inquiries found on the PDGA message board from some of you�

Read the article about the new PDGA web site here:
http://www.1000rated.com/?p=117

There's also a screen shot of what the site will look like in the middle of the interview...

Enjoy!
Brian

Currently, given a member one can see all of the tournaments with official results that they have played in. It is probably expensive from a database perspective, but a nice feature would be to add the ability to see what tournaments they unofficially have played in and even better what tournaments they are listed on the pre-registration list. In this manner someone could more easily see where their favorite pro is playing on a given weekend.

if we adopt the anabler approach and create a method for easily exchanging reg data, such list would be close to free.

one can dream.

That's a great idea. We will add it to the master list of enhancements.

-Theo

The worst thing about the PDGA site is that it doesn't show stats of deceased members.

Why is this?

They usually aren't current so they're like any other non-current member with no stats displayed. I know that providing deceased stats is on the list of IT projects.

http://www.1000rated.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/08_pdgawebsite_new.jpg

ADIDAS sponsoring DG!?!? that would be pretty sweet!

Robert, I will have a list of deceased members on the new memberships page. An "In Remembrance" type page. As far as stats, I am not sure how that will come into play but will ask.

Thanks!

Thanks Addie!!

What I was referring to is the stats of a player are visable for those who are current and the non-current message pops up for those who are not.

The same non-current message pops up for those who are deceased and I would like it for them to appear as current so we can remember the times they had playing tournaments!

If we have to spend any more time trying to keep hackers out of the current site, who knows when we'll get the new site up!!! This sucks...

there's always some reason, isnt there.

how does keeping this site up detract from getting the new site up? you are not developing the new one are you? i thought we had an outside company on that. besides, it wasnt this website that got hacked.

Thanks for the support, Pat. And yes, the same people helping with the new website are responsible for the current site. I have converted 95% of the dynamic pages from the previous site to the new site, while Dave and Ciphent have been working in parallel on other parts of the site and its content.

And yes, the primary pdga.com server was hacked. We had to do an emergency (ie., unplanned) transfer of the website to a different server over the last two days.

-Theo

Why is the change your avatar option missing now?

Why is the change your avatar option missing now?



I requested its deletion to get further mileage out of Cubs' fans misery... :)


(No, not really)

its working Tony :)

I think they may be done already :(

our first priority ought to be changing our hosting and server arrangements, getting them into someplace stable, and getting these systems stable themselves.

you may say i'm a dreamer.

UBB threads is such a horrid bit of forum software. Please consider vBulletin going forward.



Or phpBB! That's what I use for our board and it is SO MUCH better than the PDGA's board.

www.louisvillediscgolf.com/phpbb/ (http://www.louisvillediscgolf.com/phpbb/)

Has the signature size been reduced? I had to retool mine just a bit...and it is apparently exactly 200 characters now.

UBB threads is such a horrid bit of forum software. Please consider vBulletin going forward.

From Theo Pozzy:



We are struggling to get the website back to where it was, including the message board. I realize message board users would like everything to be back to where it was, but we have to work through the problems in priority order. Right now, we are waiting for our hosting company to try to recover the previous hard drive contents. At that point, I plan on restoring the message board configuration completely.
-Theo

Any updates Theo? Will the site be up again in the next day or so?

It would be nice to look a scores!!!!!!!!!!

It's all in the works. The website will be up with static content (news stories, etc.) and a link to the message board. Then we'll be adding in the tournament schedule and results, then the course directory, and other dynamic pages.

Once that is stable, we will be looking at replacing the message board, and we will be looking at options that are secure and well integrated with the Drupal user login.

Our primary concern right now is security. We just don't want to be spending so many hours trying to keep out and clean up from hackers. It's really frustrating.

-Theo

UBB threads is such a horrid bit of forum software. Please consider vBulletin going forward.



Or phpBB! That's what I use for our board and it is SO MUCH better than the PDGA's board.

www.louisvillediscgolf.com/phpbb/ (http://www.louisvillediscgolf.com/phpbb/)



phpbb is certainly free and great for small boards, but not even in the same ballpark when it comes to the featureset needed for a site such as PDGA. vBulletin is light years ahead of *any* other forum software, with a superb security system.

The vBull license is $100 annually (I think this UBB forum software is the same). Anyone who's been in a vBulletin admin control panel knows the awesome :cool:

Regardless, having been in IT and web dev for 15+ years if there's anything I can do to help out please get in touch. Looking forward to seeing it all in action.

Whatever board we choose, we're going to need help converting, including trying to migrate posts if possible. If you have any skills or passion in in, let me know.

-Theo

Dana, It's Hal from Charleston. Question.. Is there any way to look at scores/wait lists on the site, now?

Whatever board we choose, we're going to need help converting, including trying to migrate posts if possible. If you have any skills or passion in in, let me know.

-Theo



Hey Theo (and EVERYONE helping with the PDGA website)!

From me ... thanks for all your hard work on this project. As a web designer ... I feel for ya man! This crew is as patient as a tornado. ;)

tornados dont usually last for two or more years, charge us 75K for lots of wind and circular motion, and take a percentage of our revenues.

sometimes a tornado is overkill... this could have been accomplished by the amount of wind generated from your average pot of bean soup.

yes but we're a big business you know

{*insert emoticon here /*}

I'm not sure if this has been answered, but why did they shut the other PDGA website down if the new one wasn't ready?

Security I believe...The old site got hacked.

I'm not sure if this has been answered, but why did they shut the other PDGA website down if the new one wasn't ready?



Gangster Penquins on the "Home" page :o

http://www.apunit.com/drupal.jpg

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So, Hawk', how long are you going to follow Theo around the board misquoting him?

It's getting to be a bit tiresome for some of us.

Do you think you could maybe at least insert the appropriate ellipses, or are you thinking of running for public office and feel the need to practice your lying and misrepresentation skills?

http://people.richland.edu/james/lecture/m116/conics/ellipse.gif

ellipses?

Whatever board we choose, we're going to need help converting, including trying to migrate posts if possible. If you have any skills or passion in in, let me know.

-Theo



Hey Theo (and EVERYONE helping with the PDGA website)!

From me ... thanks for all your hard work on this project. As a web designer ... I feel for ya man! This crew is as patient as a tornado. ;)

as a web designer, i feel for everyone on the team. as a development Project Manager, i'd say our performance is unacceptable.