This disc looked so crazy in the store that I had to throw one to see what it was all about.

First the obvious...this disc has a cocentric grooved arch dug out of the middle of the underside of the wing. I've never seen a disc anything like this. The plastic is standard clear Champion.

Flight...Dave D. is on to something here because the Monarch flies incredibly smooth with the slowest understable turn I ever gotten with a driver. Yesterday I got it and every time I threw it it was going right where i wanted. I was throwing it just like my Buzzz with finesse and it was doing super tight little S curves over 300' with absolutely no effort. I could also rip this thing as hard as I could and it would flip but stay in the air. I parked a 420' hole on a beautiful line--I flipped it up from a decent amount of hyzer and the disc stayed really low, flipped flat, then over, then back on a very tight line. I also birdied a long tunnel anhyzer shot.

I'd write more but I'm going to throw. Let me be the first to say that the Monarch is something new and amazing technology-wise and we will see be seeing this grooved wing some more...I'm already wondering what a grooved wing would be like on a more stable disc...I think that it creates some kind of air pocket similar to a high dome, or maybe it actually achieves the dimple effect Gateway and Quest have been chasing.

I agree, it does have a long, gentle turn that extends deep into the flight of the disc even when thrown nose up and behaves something like a high speed midrange (tracker eat your heart out). The one I have been throwing weighs 171g and of course i'm sure it will start flipping harder as it breaks in but for now it flies beautifully. and yes 300 feet is a breeze and even thrown hard it doesn't turn over dramatically

Yeah but the Tracker has stability/consistency. Would you say the Monarch is the most consistent disc in your bag? I would have to say the Tracker is mine.

Can ou post some pics of the Monarch please?

Agreed. Took three light ones (161g) out to the open field this morning. Back and forth 2x.

Faster, straighter than Sidewinders, stays low, more glide at the end. Very little fade. Got out to about '375 comfortably, which is long for me. Very forgiving of nose angle. (Threw some Destroyers and Wraiths for comparison sake and reminded myself how precisely I have to throw the Destroyer for it to work for me. Threw a few Destroyers about 15' further but needed big space to do that on a S-turn.) Hyzer-flip to low, fast straight line. Initial thought is that it will control nicely. Handled a light breeze with no problems at all. Haven't tried anything other than long and straight lines yet.

Will be interested in seeing what else it can do. Looks like a keeper.

It sounds like a fast XL or JLS.

It sounds like a fast XL or JLS.



Or like they say a faster more controllable Road Runner, which might fit real nice in a lot of peoples bag.

Agreed. Took three light ones (161g) out to the open field this morning. Back and forth 2x.

Faster, straighter than Sidewinders, stays low, more glide at the end. Very little fade. Got out to about '375 comfortably, which is long for me. Very forgiving of nose angle. (Threw some Destroyers and Wraiths for comparison sake and reminded myself how precisely I have to throw the Destroyer for it to work for me. Threw a few Destroyers about 15' further but needed big space to do that on a S-turn.) Hyzer-flip to low, fast straight line. Initial thought is that it will control nicely. Handled a light breeze with no problems at all. Haven't tried anything other than long and straight lines yet.

Will be interested in seeing what else it can do. Looks like a keeper.



161!!! The lowest I was able to get thru DGV was 162! You must have some secret pipeline... ;) I'm really drooling over the prospects of a Monarch in the mid 150s.

I'm really drooling over the prospects of a Monarch in the mid 150s.


discgolfcenter.com has some as low as 154 and offer free shipping

I just got some in the mid 50's. Sweet!
discgolfwarehouse.com

are they as unstable as rr's and sidewinders?

If anyone sees any Red CH Monarchs around please PM me! I haven't been able to find any in Red.

I have one that's a pinkish red, 162g. Thrown a few times but I'm getting a new (lighter) one soon.

Mark at Disc Golf Values was my source.

are they as unstable as rr's and sidewinders?



The biggest difference I have seen so far is that while they flip, they also hold a glide line longer than the Sidewinder or RR. You can throw the Monarch so that it flips up and over a little, but holds the turned over line for a while without flipping all the way over.

My 2 cents - I throw lots of low weight Sidewinders...

Fred's in OKC, OK. has some and they felt pretty comfortable in the hand. I knew I shoulda got one for the bag.

Does anyone remember the Dolphin, look familar? This time they got it right!

Does anyone remember the Dolphin, look familar? This time they got it right!



And my Monarch has already floated...the plastic doesn't float, but that groove holds air and keeps it up.

In the week I've had my Monarch it has become noticeably more understable. I've really given it a workout, but I'm still a bit surprised to see a Champion plastic disc lose stability in a week. Oh well, it flies better now anyway. It is a very cool disc and holds in the air incredibly while turned over.

Does anyone remember the Dolphin, look familar? This time they got it right!



Yepp, you�re right, it looks similar

I can't wait to try this disc out.

Tried one yesterday & chucked it out there on a Hyzer, it flattened out right away & glided forever. 400+ on the first toss w/o putting everything I have into the throw.

Test flew one yesterday and I am very pleased
A touch hyzer and it gets busy straight, throw it flat and a very nice fade comes out the hand.
Some of the big boomers tried it in a cross wind. PuTT hyxer on it high and it S cured in the 500+' range.
Odd to the touch and dangerous to your competition

what weight were the big boomers throwing?

175....the lower weights would be great for slower arm speed

Got mine in the mail today. Looking forward to tomorrow's 4th of July doubles in Modesto. Weird, <font color="yellow"> innova</font>tive design.

Good luck K-Lee!!! Happy Fourth of July!!

I was extremely happy with the monarch. It was very long, even on the very first throw. Definitely not made for the stronger arm. Good roller too.

Threw the 152g Monarch a fair bit this weekend. Really going to like them. For me the Roadrunner comparison is a good one for the most part. For those of us with gnat weight arms you can even make a comparison to the Sidewinder from the speed standpoint, but it's way more predictable than the Sidewinder, way more forgiving of nose angle and, for me at least almost exactly the same distance. Haven't had the opportunity to put them through their rolling paces but on the few rolls I have made the tighter buttonhook on the roll out held true. Me likey. :cool:

I was extremely happy with the monarch. It was very long, even on the very first throw. Definitely not made for the stronger arm. Good roller too.



I'm far from a distance champion, but I can get 450' with some consistency so I can throw fairly hard. I love the Monarch and I believe it is finally a big arm friendly turnover disc. It is faster and holds in the air better than the Sidewinder or Roadrunner, especially when thrown hard. I'm enjoying pulling it out on almost every hole and manipulating it onto the line. The disc is extremely controllable, even for me, and I choose to throw midranges almost exclusively inside 350'. I could never finesse the sidewinder or roadrunner on a laser straight 300' shot with any consistency like my old school buddies, but now with the Monarch I can. This disc gives big arms a finesse disc and finesse players a distance disc.

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Even in my pitiful 152g Monarch's the mold got the attention of some young gun, neanderthal, knuckle draggers yesterday..... (and I call them neanderthal knuckle draggers in the most complementary and jealous way possible) :D

This disc is the real deal!!! :cool:

i was able to huck a couple of these yesterday and wasn't really all that impressed. certainly not enough to switch from a sidewinder.

the monarch will eventually go the way of the viking.

I picked up two champ monarchs at 166 last week and have thrown them quite a bit over the last 5 or 6 days including quite a bit in a tournament (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7934#Open) I played in Sunday.The feel is good, not a huge wing and the groove in it did not bother me. I was initially excited as it is fast and does glide great and is understable similar to a Roadrunner or Sidewinder as advertised, seemed a bit easier perhaps to get it out there a long way so I went with it a lot and was not disappointed. But yesterday I started throwing my champ Roadrunner (same weight 166) again and I was placing it long and straight, just as long as the monarch and easier to get an accurate controlled long flight for me, so the Monarch goes on the shelf.

Has anyone gotten to try them as a roller yet?

I picked up two champ monarchs at 166 last week and have thrown them quite a bit over the last 5 or 6 days including quite a bit in a tournament (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7934#Open) I played in Sunday.The feel is good, not a huge wing and the groove in it did not bother me. I was initially excited as it is fast and does glide great and is understable similar to a Roadrunner or Sidewinder as advertised, seemed a bit easier perhaps to get it out there a long way so I went with it a lot and was not disappointed. But yesterday I started throwing my champ Roadrunner (same weight 166) again and I was placing it long and straight, just as long as the monarch and easier to get an accurate controlled long flight for me, so the Monarch goes on the shelf.



There's a chance I'd agree with you if they could make Roadrunners at 150ish, but in the low 150 weights available the Monarch works for me. Haven't had a chance to try it for long uphill turnovers, which we see some of around here, but expect it to perform well by what I have seen in the field.

Haven't put them through all their paces as a roller but really like the tighter buttonhook turnout they have.

Yeah I rolled them last night. I got it to go about 50 feet farther than my sidewinder. You can really rip it, it holds a good line. I personaly couldnt throw it in the air that well, but it works for rolling.

I was extremely happy with the monarch. It was very long, even on the very first throw. Definitely not made for the stronger arm. Good roller too.



I'm far from a distance champion, but I can get 450' with some consistency so I can throw fairly hard. I love the Monarch and I believe it is finally a big arm friendly turnover disc. It is faster and holds in the air better than the Sidewinder or Roadrunner, especially when thrown hard. I'm enjoying pulling it out on almost every hole and manipulating it onto the line. The disc is extremely controllable, even for me, and I choose to throw midranges almost exclusively inside 350'. I could never finesse the sidewinder or roadrunner on a laser straight 300' shot with any consistency like my old school buddies, but now with the Monarch I can. This disc gives big arms a finesse disc and finesse players a distance disc.



I think I remember that you throw Rogues also. How would you compare the 2? My guess is the Monarch is slower and more understable.

does it turn more when thrown flat like an avenger ss?

I've thrown a 166g and a 175g Monarch in the past 2 days and this disc is FLIPPY!!! I even tried spike hyzers but the disc flattened out, turned and just crashed into the ground. I even tried slowing my run up, and just standing still, but this disc just wanted to keep acting like a roller. Very unimpressed.

".......Obviously you're not a golfer." :D

Im impressed!

I can dig anhyzer shots more longer and deeper with Monarch than Leopard

I dont have to worry to use sidearm shots more often!

Yesterday the monarch was working for me and I was not throwing the roadrunner very well, guess I'll keep both in my bag until I figure it out.

I've thrown a 166g and a 175g Monarch in the past 2 days and this disc is FLIPPY!!! I even tried spike hyzers but the disc flattened out, turned and just crashed into the ground. I even tried slowing my run up, and just standing still, but this disc just wanted to keep acting like a roller. Very unimpressed.



Sounds like poor speed control to me. When I moved to FL I threw all stable discs. My "understable" discs included ones that would only flip if thrown hard and flat. When I got down here I was lucky enough to get to know Ken Climo and play some rounds with him. One day we were on one of the easiest holes on our course, a 280' spike hyzer. There was a bit of a headwind. After we threw our main drives we started throwing other discs. After we'd thrown all of our stable discs we continued. Kenny gave me one of his beat Rocs and told me to throw it smoothly with a lot of hyzer. I threw it and it flipped over the road. Kenny then took his roller Roc and threw a spike hyzer that never flipped at all and landed right at the basket. He told me he used to work on that type of thing a lot to learn precise speed control. Lesson: turning over a disc is something the thrower does, not the disc. We were throwing old beat Rocs...I'm sure Kenny could throw the Monarch and make it look like a Monster.

tried my 165 monarch today. 2 throws 2 birdies.one of them was 400 feet.i let a friend use it on a lefty hole,he's left handed and he threw an amazing up hill drive.farther than the inferno he just threw.

[ Lesson: turning over a disc is something the thrower does, not the disc.



Take note people.

I'm glad there are some people who realize that most of the time unwanted turnover occurs come from improper execution of a shot not simply poor disc selection. I get sick of people with 280' distance saying the wraith is too flippy for them with all their "snap". Apparently "snap" is a synonym for off axis torque or bad release angle.

It's called "Breaking your Wrist" You let go just a hair too late.

So far I have found the Roadrunner and Monarch to be similar. The main difference I have noticed is that when you use the disc for a tunned shot or a big hyzer flip you can throw it lower to the ground (12-12') and it will glide for long way before the slight fade. I always need more height for my Roadrunners to do that kind of thing.

I played a round today and threw it on almost every drive to see how well I could work it with different angles. It was pretty easy to work and hold a hyzer line for between 330-360'. Anything more and I put too much muscle into it and it would flip and never come back.

I plan to keep it in the bag for the time being.

I threw a 175 in a tournament all weekend. Woked about like my road runners but seems to be faster and it seems to always rise up as it flys. As long as I kept it low on the release it did well.

My very first throw with this disc I had an awesome ace run and hit right side of the chains, disc falling to the ground. I threw it pretty much the same as my roadrunner, they fly similar for me too.

I just got my IOS 4 shipment, including 40 Monarchs. I have not thrown it yet. All I got to say right now is, if Quest had come up with this the powers that be would be looking for a way to declare this illegal retroactively under new rules they'd be making up tomorrow! :D

and yet you bought 40 of them. hehe...

All I got to say right now is, if Quest had come up with this it would pass tech standards (including unforseen loopholes) just like it did for INNOVA! However if it was straight wack, they'd figure out how they needed to reword the common sense principles that you'd never think would have to be set in stone... like submitting discs not sprockets.


fixed! :D

I threw a 175 in a tournament all weekend. Woked about like my road runners but seems to be faster and it seems to always rise up as it flys. As long as I kept it low on the release it did well.



I would agree that it seemed a bit like a faster Road Runner. Courtney really likes it and being a huge butterfly fan she is working it in to her bag.

I threw a 175 in a tournament all weekend. Woked about like my road runners but seems to be faster and it seems to always rise up as it flys. As long as I kept it low on the release it did well.



I would agree that it seemed a bit like a faster Road Runner. Courtney really likes it and being a huge butterfly fan she is working it in to her bag.

as well, she should

I really couldn't say it flew much differently from a Sidewinder. I hope the gotta-have-it on this disc lasts through the weekend.

[ Lesson: turning over a disc is something the thrower does, not the disc.



Take note people.

I'm glad there are some people who realize that most of the time unwanted turnover occurs come from improper execution of a shot not simply poor disc selection. I get sick of people with 280' distance saying the wraith is too flippy for them with all their "snap". Apparently "snap" is a synonym for off axis torque or bad release angle.


Or a bad grip. Ugh. I remember back in 2005 I was complaining about flipping a max weight eagle X and a fellow player told me I was throwing anhyzers... I was like "no way! I released it with a hyzer or straight every time!" It wasn't until later that I realized my grip had the disc settling in my hand so that when my arm and wrist were straight, the disc was wing up. :X

I threw a 166g Champion Monarch over the weekend and really enjoyed the flightpath I was getting on it. When I threw it properly, I got an extremely beautiful result - that rare extremely slow turnover fight. On a total distance of about 300 feet, the disc wavered from left to right by a total of only about 10-15 feet! (RHBH throw) We've all had discs over the years that would beat up to this point, but it always seemed like it was a fleeting thing and the disc soon got too flippy. It's rare to be able to find one that is able to achieve such a flightpath right out of the box, and in Champion plastic, one assumes that the Monarch will hold this flightpath for some time.

I don't think this disc is a long distance driver at all. I think it's more of a fairway driver and for controlled slight turnover shots. I can't agree with the 10 speed rating given by Innova - the Sidewinder and Roadrunner have speed ratings of 9 and seem like faster discs to me. I think big arms will completely overpower the Monarch and flip it over into a roller, even when delivered with a ton of hyzer. Frankly, I'm a little skeptical of those who have reported distances of 450' and 500' on flat ground with this disc, even when delivered with extreme hyzer.

This disc will still fill a nice niche role in my bag. I think it's going to be perfect for those slight turnover shots of in-between distances that are too far for a Roc/Skeeter and where a Sidewinder or Roadrunner might be too much disc. :cool:

I agree with Jeff, but didn't have the energy to look for all the little letters to make a post saying that.

I threw a 166g Champion Monarch over the weekend and really enjoyed the flightpath I was getting on it. When I threw it properly, I got an extremely beautiful result - that rare extremely slow turnover fight. On a total distance of about 300 feet, the disc wavered from left to right by a total of only about 10-15 feet! (RHBH throw) We've all had discs over the years that would beat up to this point, but it always seemed like it was a fleeting thing and the disc soon got too flippy. It's rare to be able to find one that is able to achieve such a flightpath right out of the box, and in Champion plastic, one assumes that the Monarch will hold this flightpath for some time.

I don't think this disc is a long distance driver at all. I think it's more of a fairway driver and for controlled slight turnover shots. I can't agree with the 10 speed rating given by Innova - the Sidewinder and Roadrunner have speed ratings of 9 and seem like faster discs to me. I think big arms will completely overpower the Monarch and flip it over into a roller, even when delivered with a ton of hyzer. Frankly, I'm a little skeptical of those who have reported distances of 450' and 500' on flat ground with this disc, even when delivered with extreme hyzer.

This disc will still fill a nice niche role in my bag. I think it's going to be perfect for those slight turnover shots of in-between distances that are too far for a Roc/Skeeter and where a Sidewinder or Roadrunner might be too much disc. :cool:



I think that the Monarch is definetely faster than a roadrunner or a sidewinder, however, it turns slower. I spin roadrunners right into the ground from hyzer and the Sidewinder is extremely touchy for me to keep under control. The Monarch seems like a step more consistent than those other two in its flightpath, especially when flying low to the ground. Durability-wise it seemed to lose a notch of stability rather quickly, but it hasn't changed since.

i agree. more control than the SW or RR, seems a hair faster than those, but no longer. they assign speed ratings relative ti rim width, which isn't always accurate.

<u>Finally</u> got my hands on some light (150-152g) Monarchs (along with some 145-149g DX XCalibers). Will report on test flights after my trip to the Grange this evening.

Just got back from testing my two 171 Champ Roadrunners, used but not beat, along with a new 171 Star Roadrunner and 166 Champ Monarch. Moderately downhill into the wind (10-15mph), the Star was more stable and 40 feet longer than the Monarch and 60 ft past the two CRRs that were almost on top of each other. All discs turned over and ended to the right about 25-30 ft off line but since they went different distances, the CRRs were most understable followed by the CM and then SRR.

Level ground tail wind, all three RRs ended up in a 15' circle with the CM the same distance but 15 ft more to the right. In this case, its 5g lighter weight may have simply been the difference since I may have yanked it to the right a little more on release.

For a long uphill turn, I liked the CM controlability better than the RRs. Again, the lighter weight may have helped a little. I like the SR best for full power more open low height throws but it seemed like I could control the CM distance &amp; accuracy better than the RRs for less than full power throws.

Overall, its flight characteristics very much remind me of my slightly beat SOLS in the same weight but the CM flies that way new so that's a plus.

I didn't think they would ever make Champion Dolphins ;)