So i tried to contact Jeff La<font color="green">Grass</font>a(through his moderator account), AKA Moderator, about a <font color="red"> potential problem </font> and this is the response i received:


This user is ignoring you. You cannot send them a message.

Please use your back button to return to the previous page.



Is this the "professionalism" that we should expect from the pDGA DISCussion Board moderators? Please post your thoughts.

it was my understanding that you cant send any moderator accounts private messages Hero.

I just proved my theory wrong by doing so. Guess it sucks to be you. :)

First off, let me say that please read my comments with an open mind. Being a former moderator I know that some people will read them a certain way.

If you sent the message to Jeff's personal account - there is no problem with him ignoring you. It is a feature that all accounts have. I personally have someone on ignore right now b/c I don't care to read his crap and I'm not interested in anything he might PM me.

If he has you on block from the moderator account, then I have a problem with this. I highly doubt that is the case.

And lastly, PDGA payroll? Come on John. These are volunteers. You know that!!

If he has you on block from the moderator account, then I have a problem with this. I highly doubt that is the case.



MTL, he is ignoring me under his MODERATOR username! I erased the payroll sentence. I really thought you were being paid. I would never be a mod for free....

i wish i could put your avatar on ignore!

If he has you on block from the moderator account, then I have a problem with this. I highly doubt that is the case.



MTL, he is ignoring me under his MODERATOR username!



Yeah....I don't agree with this at all.

i wish i could put your avatar on ignore!



...and still to this day, it's the only avatar that has ever been mentioned in the pDGA's official publication (magazine). :D

i made a DG video that uses it . the vids only content is a song, a pic from DGW, the avatar, and some narrative text. but still somehow i am afraid to post it here. email me for a link

If he has you on block from the moderator account, then I have a problem with this. I highly doubt that is the case.



MTL, he is ignoring me under his MODERATOR username!



Yeah....I don't agree with this at all.



He asked me for a valid email address, and now i can't respond to the account that he asked me under. The <font color="red"> "potential problem" </font> i have is, ironically, the valid email address. The email addy could be taken wrongly, in which it would open up a huge can of worms....and YES, it's an email addy i've had and used for years. I'm stuck between a rock and a La<font color="green">Grass</font>a!

Yo Jeff,

I went to PM your Mod account this morning only to find out that you are ignoring me again. :D

Lets hope he is reading as Jeff_LaG and not Moderator then :D

Oh yea. :D:D:D

Lets hope he is reading as Jeff_LaG and not Moderator then :D



Uh-Oh, he's ignoring me on both accounts. I don't know whether to thank God, or post his favorite Frozen Rope full color banshee picture that he complained to you about and had me finger probed for. :D
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Yo Jeff,

I went to PM your Mod account this morning only to find out that you are ignoring me again. :D




Is anything going to be done about this?

Appaerently Peter Shive is to busy picking a fight with Pat Brenner to pay attention to a real issue.

If you want someone who cares you'll vote for Brenner.

If you want someone who cares you'll vote for Brenner.



Second!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i'm pretty sure Jeff's ignoring of you is an honest mistake.

thanks for the support and votes fellas. although Fles prolly wont vote for me unless i get the Own The Hole stats updated real soon :)

i hope those who are voting for me will use some good sense and also vote for candidates who think somewhat similarly. otherwise without Steve Dodge to protect me, i will probably get kicked out, LOL :)

i'm pretty sure Jeff's ignoring of you is an honest mistake.



Mmmmmm Hmmmmm, on both of his accounts, personal and moderator, an honest mistake? What are you some politician? :p:D

i'm pretty sure Jeff's ignoring of you is an honest mistake.



Mmmmmm Hmmmmm, on both of his accounts, personal and moderator, an honest mistake? What are you some politician? :p:D



If the sandal fits wear it :D

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I STILL have not gotten a response as to why Vegan Ray was copied on my probation email and that was a month ago. Peter and ALL Mods were copied on my response email so I suppose NONE of them give a hoot about their position at all.

I would LOVE to see what kind of excuse comes out of that one.

guess you're not alone Hero. Not alone at all.

If I didnt love disc golf as much as I do, especially tournament golf, there is no way I would renew next year. I do not see the advantage of PDGA membership other than me paying less for tourneys (since I play at least 6 a year... @ 10 extra a piece for non-member I am saving money). I like my money. thats why I join.

Lucky for them, unfortunate for me, I'm stuck.

Everyone,

Many users of the message board are under the impression that moderators must not ignore personal messages from users. In fact, they are free to use the "ignore" feature at any time. In other words, a moderator's formal obligation to a particular case ends the moment he makes a call and completes the related recordkeeping. In many cases I would even encourage the use of the "ignore" feature. There are two reasons:
1) Moderators have personal lives, and are under no obligation to allow their message board duties to interfere with their personal pursuits. If they cannot use the "ignore" feature, they are often subjected to harrassment by disappointed users.
2) Once a moderator has reached a decision, they should rarely enter into a dialog with the user of the moderated post. Such dialogs can easily escalate into nasty exchanges that waste time and serve no useful purpose.

If a user is unhappy with a moderator's action, they should appeal their case to me.

Everyone,

Many users of the message board are under the impression that moderators must not ignore personal messages from users. In fact, they are free to use the "ignore" feature at any time. In other words, a moderator's formal obligation to a particular case ends the moment he makes a call and completes the related recordkeeping. In many cases I would even encourage the use of the "ignore" feature. There are two reasons:
1) Moderators have personal lives, and are under no obligation to allow their message board duties to interfere with their personal pursuits. If they cannot use the "ignore" feature, they are often subjected to harrassment by disappointed users.
2) Once a moderator has reached a decision, they should rarely enter into a dialog with the user of the moderated post. Such dialogs can easily escalate into nasty exchanges that waste time and serve no useful purpose.

If a user is unhappy with a moderator's action, they should appeal their case to me.




We are unhappy with many of your actions.

Everyone,

Many users of the message board are under the impression that moderators must not ignore personal messages from users. In fact, they are free to use the "ignore" feature at any time. In other words, a moderator's formal obligation to a particular case ends the moment he makes a call and completes the related recordkeeping. In many cases I would even encourage the use of the "ignore" feature. There are two reasons:
1) Moderators have personal lives, and are under no obligation to allow their message board duties to interfere with their personal pursuits. If they cannot use the "ignore" feature, they are often subjected to harrassment by disappointed users.
2) Once a moderator has reached a decision, they should rarely enter into a dialog with the user of the moderated post. Such dialogs can easily escalate into nasty exchanges that waste time and serve no useful purpose.

If a user is unhappy with a moderator's action, they should appeal their case to me.



Blah Blah Blah I am a moderater and you cant make me help solve anything or have a discusion if I dont want to :p I am very disapointed in your attitude and after your post see no need to waste time with asking for your help in any way " because you dont have to"! MyHero has given so much to the sport in our area and I stand behind him and think you are making a big error in your judgment on this call! Sorry if this has come off the wrong way I just cant believe you could take a stance so errogant! I hope you at least take a minute to hear his side he deserves it! I think this is a horrible image to put out there to members: "I would even encourage the use of the "ignore" feature"! What a poor way to represent the PDGA's attitude on customer service! I really hope that this is not a general attitude of other key people in the PDGA! I hope someone has a talk with you on representing an organization (shacking head)

If a user is unhappy with a moderator's action, they should appeal their case to me.



I did not want to appeal, I simply wanted an answer, a legitimate answer, as to why Vegan Ray was copied on my probation email. I feel there are privacy issues there. You, Peter Shive, never sent an email back with any sort of explanation as to why this occurred. I know what would have been said, "it was an accident". Thats garbage to begin with, but a response was still necessary.

I dont see you getting 800 emails a day. There is no good reason as to why 25 emails cant be responded to on a every other day basis. You are part of an organization. If I just ignored emails at my "organization" I'd get the boot quicker than quick.

These are serious enough to generate message board threads. Have you tried contacting other board members about your concerns? Or even your state coordinator? He is your official representative with the PDGA.
Maybe your SC can make some headway in the case.

Bob Graham
NJSC

Why should other board members be involved? In my case its an answer to what I consider a rather simple question.

My state coordinator is Jeff LaGrassa, who happens to be a MB moderator. He is not allowed to follow up after a decision has been made, its all on the Comm. Director once an appeal is filed. I did not want to appeal, I simply sent an email to the director with a question in it. SO, ONCE AGAIN, where's my response Mr. Shive?

Jeff will just put on his SC hat and have no problem responding to you requests. That guy has a lot of hats.

And I don't think a SC would put one of his own on ignore.

Thanks for the kind words Eric, but don't waste your breath or keystrokes here.



Mr. Shive,

Your moderator, Jeff LaGrassa, in a PM asked me for a valid email address since the one the PDGA currently has is no longer in use. After having a little fun with Jeff and beating around the bush a little bit i was ready to reply to his direct question sent to me in the personal message but i needed to prepare him for what he was about to read. You see, my email address for forums and other misc websites, if read or taken wrongly, could be considered offensive. I know how square Jeff is, especially when he puts on his moderator cape, and i just wanted to make sure that all was going to be well. Sadly, at some point he decided to ignore my username on both of his accounts and the communication line was broken. Believe me, i'm okay with it. Incidentally, i have saved all of the PM's sent and received by Jeff just in case i need to CMA. Cheers to you and your team for a job well done! http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/style_emoticons/default/monketdance4.gif

Jeff will just put on his SC hat and have no problem responding to you requests. That guy has a lot of hats.

And I don't think a SC would put one of his own on ignore.



I know Jeff personally. If I asked him for help I firmly believe he would do so, however, this is not his place. If a ruling is made by any mod it is final unless an appeal is presented to the Comm. Director. He then reviews and rules. I didnt even want that! All I asked for was reasoning behind a MB user other than myself getting copied on the probation email. thats it. thats all it ever will be.

Jeff has other things to worry about. This is Peter's job. I'm sorry but there is nothing you can say or present to me to make me feel otherwise.

so once again, why was Ray copied Peter?... please oh please let me know. thanks in advance.

's cool Josh, I'm just trying help. You want an answer, but you want it just the right way. I think you might even know the answer, you just want it said by the person of authority.

Does Peter Shive have you and John on ignore too?

Does Peter Shive have you and John on ignore too?



I love you B O B! N'ah, they're just ignoring their part time volunteer job. ;)

Oh I know you were trying to help bob, its definitely all good... and you are right, I do know the answer and its garbage, but I wanted that garbage said by the person who's job it is to say it. I dont want assumptions. Right now thats all I have...

I havent sent a PM so I dont know if he has me blocked, doubt it though.

Email is the official correspondence of the PDGA and this is an official PDGA matter.

BTW, word to the wise, dont use implied "dirty" words on the board, you may end up where I am!!!!

In Pennsylvania?

BTW, word to the wise, dont use implied "dirty" words on the board, you may end up where I am!!!!




Just put [ / b ] (all together) in the middle of any censored word and see what happens. FYI, be sure to test it out in a PM to a friend first. ;)

anarchist

anarchist



It's a good thing I love B O B from the NE b/c name calling is subjective to being finger probed! :D

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To Everyone:
There is some misunderstanding of my comments above. I did not say that the moderators are forced to use the "ignore" feature. I did not say that they are forbidden to communicate with users. I said that in many cases I encourage them not to respond. There is a very important difference.

We discussed this at some length. The moderators argue that there are some cases in which a response from them might serve a very useful puropose. In that case they are free to respond, at their discretion.

so once again, why was Ray copied Peter?... please oh please let me know. thanks in advance.





To Everyone:
There is some misunderstanding of my comments above. I did not say that the moderators are forced to use the "ignore" feature. I did not say that they are forbidden to communicate with users. I said that in many cases I encourage them not to respond. There is a very important difference.

We discussed this at some length. The moderators argue that there are some cases in which a response from them might serve a very useful puropose. In that case they are free to respond, at their discretion.



<font color="red"> Stella, did you like Peter's answer? I assume he was directing his comment to you by addressing "everyone." I wish i could use [ / b ] right about now. :p </font>

i wish the process included at least some sort of input from the reporting party as to the perceived offense. i recently appealed a decision, and it was dismissed without asking me for any input at all. it may be useful for whoever is in charge now or in the future to have some historical understanding about why posts are being reported.

another wierd thing is that only one person can report a post, if we honor the process as requested in the Rules. we're not supposed to email Mods, but after one person reports a post, then no one else can.


^^^ the above is worded so as not to cast any negativity on any person. please respond in kind. ^^^

It does seem sort of useful to know how many people find something worthy of being reported. Whether you get one of fifty complaints before a ruling is made complaints on a post before a ruling is made, knowing that number may be useful.

It does seem sort of useful to know how many people find something worthy of being reported. Whether you get one of fifty complaints before a ruling is made complaints on a post before a ruling is made, knowing that number may be useful.



Once a post has been reported, it can't be reported again.

So there is no way to see (at the current time) how many people want to report it.

The moderators argue that there are some cases in which a response from them might serve a very useful puropose. In that case they are free to respond, at their discretion.



useful purpose and discretion. WHAT?!? those are used about || &lt;---- THAT MUCH around here.


<font color="red"> Stella, did you like Peter's answer? I assume he was directing his comment to you by addressing "everyone." I wish i could use [ / b ] right about now. :p </font>



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