Just THREE more weekends to get qualified for the Southern Nationals!

Get qualified for the Pro Championship in N. Little Rock, AR 8/30-8/31
Get qualified for the Ams in Pensacola, FL 8/16-8/17
Get qualified for the Doubles in Tupelo, MS 7/19-7/20

You must play at least one tourney from 6/1/07-5/31/08 to qualify.


Here's the schedule----> http://www.sndg.org/tourn.php

if someone has AM SN points can they get into the SNPC?

Joe, It looks like you can move up & play the SNPC...go here to read the SN players handbook. (http://www.sndg.org/snhandbook.html) . The only problem is it's the same weekend as the HOTT tourney at the Snow Farm. :p
I'm not sure which one I'm going to.
You'll probably get a faster reply by emailing your question directly from their website.

Little Rock here I come!!!!!!!!!!!!

if someone has AM SN points can they get into the SNPC?



I believe this is how it will work.

The invites will go out to the top points Pros to register, then there will be a deadline for them to do so.

After that deadline passes, anyone with SN Pro points can register. After that deadline passes, usually one month before the tourney, it will open to all players with SN points, AM or Pro.

So, the answer is yes!

thanks

TWO more weekends, Get qualified or get get left out!

http://www.sndg.org/tourn.php

For the Pros online registration will be set up with Marshall Street Disc Golf or you can mail registration to John Kittrell at 1505 Rebel Dr, Jacksonville, AR 72076. Include entry fee and note applicable division. For the pros all divisions are $80.

Pros with SN points that don't get an invitation have from 14 July to 14 August to register before the Pro Championship is open to anyone with sn points pro or am.

I can't wait for this event. I just reserved my hotel room at the host hotel. Longerbone, Robertson, Pepperling, Ellsworth.

thinking about it.

Never been to 'saw.

Gotta gather a gaggle of golfers to go.

Come on Matt, we'll meet you there. I'll even update you with a fresh twisted decal. :D

August 11 - August 29 any player with SN points, am or pro may register.

http://register.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/proddetail.asp?prod=snpc%5F08

On-line registration with Marshall Street. Use the above link to get to online registration. If you register through Marshall Street there is a $4 processing fee, so the total is $84.

This tournament is a PDGA C-Tier charity event with the charity being the Arkansas Childrens Hospital Burn Unit (part of the PDGA endowment program)and a USDGC Qualifier.

John Kittrell is the Tournament Director.

Pro Open - $80
Pro Women - $80
Pro Master - $80
Pro Grandmaster - $80

I'll also be offering
Pro Woman Master - $80
Pro Senior Grandmaster - $80
If there is enough interest and I have 3 to make a division.

The field will be capped at 144 and split into two pools.
Pool A will consist of all Pro Open Players.
Pool B will be all other Pro Divisions.

The tournament will be contested during four rounds over two days on the Red and Blue course at Burns Park.

Host Hotel:
The Host Hotel will be the Hampton Inn in North Little Rock.

Features: Hotel was just remodeled. Complimentary Continental Hot Breakfast, all rooms include wireless internet access, coffee maker, blow dryer, free HBO, in-room movies and games.

Rate: The Hotel address is 500 West 29th St, North Little Rock, AR 72114. Phone number is (501) 771-2090. There are 30 rooms reserved, 20 doubles and 10 kings. The rate is $76 plus tax. (normal rates are $99 and $119 for doubles and kings.) Rooms will be held until August 11th. When making a reservation let them know you are coming in for the SNPC and ask for Phyliss at ext 501. (Any problems after that ask for Shena Maxwell or Tammy Morgan they are managers at the hotel)

Directions to Host Hotel: From east (I-40) exit 153A, left at the light, right on Pershing, right on Orange to 29th Street. From west (I-40) exit 153A, right on Pershing, right on Orange to 29th street.

Schedule:



August 24 is the final day to register on-line with Marshall Street Disc Golf or by mail to John Kittrell at 1505 Rebel Dr., Jacksonville, AR 72076 (make checks payable to Southern National Disc Golf).

August 29 - Final Registration/Check In/Pick up Players Packages; noon - 9 p.m. at the Host Hotel

August 29 - 4-5pm Bring your Partner Doubles at Burns Park

August 30 - NO REGISTRATION.

August 30 - 9:15 a.m. Players meeting (Burns Park, disc golf pavilion)

August 30 - 10 a.m. Pool A Blue Tees at Burns park; Pool B Red Tees at Burns Park

August 30 - Lunch served at Burns Park following the first round.

August 30 - afternoon round Pool A Red Tees at Burns Park; Pool B Blue Tees at Burns park

August 30 - 5-7 p.m.; Skills contest at Burns park, Putting contest

August 30 - 7-10 p.m.; Player's Party location TBD

August 31 - 9 a.m.; Pool A Pool A Red Tees at Burns Park; Pool B Blue Tees at Burns park

August 31 - Lunch after Round 1 served at Burns Park

August 31 - afternoon round; Pool A Blue Tees at Burns park; Pool B Red Tees at Burns Park

August 31 - Final Six Holes (Continuation) for Top Four Pro Open Players plus ties at Burns Park (Start time approximately 4:30 p.m.)

August 31 - 6:00 - Tournament Awards Ceremony, North Little Rock Community Center (adjacent to the host hotel)


Directions to Burns Park: I-40; Exit 150 north 0.5 mile to Burns Park. Take 1st left past Tourist Info Center (Funland Dr.). Speed limit strictly enforced. Across street from Funland.


John Kittrell
SNPC2008 Tournament Director
1505 Rebel Dr
Jacksonville, AR 72076

johnk@sndg.org
j37kit@aol.com

This is a USDGC Qualifier!

So who is going from Tejas? Emily?

This is a USDGC Qualifier!



5 spots right?

Here is the link to pre-registered players so far.

http://www.sndg.org/stats/event.php/800


Pro Open
Clayton Nash
Darryl Daugherty
James Lecy
Zach Easterling
Dylan Gustus
Adam Morrow
Dean Pfeifer
Stephen Hanger
Jason Holman
Justin Kreutzer
Jeff Haydel
Jason Laughlin
Michael Brownlow
Miles Seaborn
Kyle McClure
Dasun Keylor
Chris Wagle
Philip Perkins

Pro Women
Leslie Easterling
Emily Lawrence

Pro Master
Jim Turner
Pat Barnes
Jeff Reynolds
Dieter Neumann
Randal Reisner
Dave Wise
Mark Muren
Kelly Watson
Alex Hughes

Pro Master Women
Susan Macaluso

Pro Grandmaster
Place Name
Steve Swiler
Don Perkins
Danny Daniels
Gary Wagoner
David Dean
Daryl Johnson
Barry Gill
Tommy Eddie
Mike McGonigal
Tom Lowry
Byron Wood







Expect a BUNCH of Friday registrations. I know of many from Mob-town heading up on the 28th.

This is a USDGC Qualifier!



5 spots right?



Yes, five spots to Rock Hill!

But, remember, to play in the Southern National Championships, you must have played a SN qualifier between 6/1/07-5/31/08.

This will be a great event......SN knows how to puTT on a show!!!

As of today (8/20/08) there are 5 Pro Women and 2 Pro Master's Women registered. Come on ladies! The courses are great, the hosts are unbelievable, and the payout will be awesome!!! Last year they paid out $1195 to a Pro Women's field with only 5 ladies in it. That's an average of over $235/player.

The money is already there and it is just waiting on someone to come claim it. Will it be you? It could be, but not if you are at home!

:eek:

As of today (8/20/08) there are 5 Pro Women and 2 Pro Master's Women registered. Come on ladies! The courses are great, the hosts are unbelievable, and the payout will be awesome!!! Last year they paid out $1195 to a Pro Women's field with only 5 ladies in it. That's an average of over $235/player.

The money is already there and it is just waiting on someone to come claim it. Will it be you? It could be, but not if you are at home!

:eek:



I'm trying to wait until moday to sign up so I can have some cash for Gonzalez this weekend but if I need to I will sign up sooner.

Can't wait.

There are now 7 ladies signed up in the Pro Women's Division. I know of a few Texas Ladies that are planning on coming. I'm doing my best to find a doggie-sitter for the house and a baby-sitter for the rounds. Surely some other women are going to come!?!?

If anyone that is qualified for the SNPC in Little Rock that is dragging their feet to sign up you are running out of time! As of this morning the list of pre-registered players totaled 103 with over a dozen more verbal commitments to be there. Looks like it's going to be a good sized crowd of people competing for some of the last available USDGC slots (as well as the Mississippi USDGC Rep).

Good luck to all!

So no Friday signups? How many Pros are already registered?


Sue, if you are reading when are you heading up?

Last day to sign up is Friday, none day of. Good luck KO!



EDIT: Below is the list of MPO players from the SNDG board:

PRO OPEN - 46
*Clayton Nash
*Rivers Sherrod
*Willie Waite
*Darryl Daugherty
*James Lecy
*Kevin Pelton
*Zach Easterling
*Chris Pepperling
*Donald Ellsworth
*Nolan Grider
*Dylan Gustus
*Adam Morrow
*Dean Pfeifer
*Stephen Hanger
*Jason Holman
*Justin Kreutzer
*Jeff Haydel
*Jason Laughlin
*Michael Brownlow
*Paul Lowrey
*Kelly Ganzel
*Miles Seaborn
*Bryan Lowery
*Jason Brazzel
*Devan Owens
*Kyle McClure
*Dasun Keylor
*Johnny Thompson
*Chris Wagle
*Jamie Callis
*Mike Grider
*Brice Longerbone
*Philip Perkins
*Randy Fortenberry
*Taylor Sears
*Jay Woodroof
*Calvin Vo
*Zachary Asbury
*Paul Kainer
*Scott Garner
Brandon Ray
*Matt Orum
Shane Taylor
Jason Brazzel
Kris Orrick
Tommy Sheets
Joe Torres
Todd Alexander
Chris Eads
Larry Bledsoe
Jose Ossa
Drew Davis
Daniel Philley
Eric Tracy

potential -
John Fowler
Rick Chriswell
John Jennings
Stephen Heaps
Tony Bass
Coda Hatfield
Philip Raymond
Sean Portilla
Tony Forrester
Kenny Priest
Tom Pitchford

*paid

Yeah but not if it is already full! :p

Anyway I hope there aren't already 72 Pros because I would prefer to sign up friday but online is ok too.

Either way I can't wait for this weekend.


Can I get put on the unpaid list and pay friday?

Matt Hall
18133
Ace,Tx

scoot_er,

I posted your request to the SNDG Forum so that the SNPC TD will see it.

Please post if you are planning on attending so that meals can be accounted for.

all other info can be found at sndg.org
http://www.sndg.org/

111 Players paid or verbally commited.

Probably to late to send entry and online registration has been closed. I will be at Burns Park registering players from noon-8pm.

You can check out the courses at this link..
http://www.tupelodiscgolf.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?p=4364#4364

Doubles on Friday, skills and putting contest on Saturday after the second round, players party Saturday night. Sandwiches provided Saturday, pizza on Sunday, lots of water and gatorade /sodas as well.

Looks like it may be more than the 125 I anticipated. Should be a lot of fun...

John k
SNPC TD

Oh and players pact with a tournament tshirt and tournament stamped san marino roc...

Noon - 8pm Friday for Registration at the Pavillion by the disc golf courses...

Looks like another great SNPC John. Thanks for all your hard work!! We will see you there! :cool:

Friday can't get here soon enough. :p

Amen!

Yo - Willy BT and the Naked Bird are here and the weather is GREAT. Red course played nicely today - looking at doing the blue in the morning.

There are 128 that are signed up (or verbally committed) so if you have SN Points and want to get here - let John K know NOW.

Soon - Real Soon!

Word!

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn30/WillBT/WBTcloseputtbubble-1.jpg

Yo - Willy BT and the Naked Bird are here and the weather is GREAT. Red course played nicely today - looking at doing the blue in the morning.

There are 128 that are signed up (or verbally committed) so if you have SN Points and want to get here - let John K know NOW.

Soon - Real Soon!

Word!

http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn30/WillBT/WBTcloseputtbubble-1.jpg




See you there Mr. Willie

Last day to sign up is Friday, none day of. Good luck KO!



EDIT: Below is the list of MPO players from the SNDG board:

PRO OPEN - 46
*Clayton Nash
*Rivers Sherrod
*Willie Waite
*Darryl Daugherty
*James Lecy
*Kevin Pelton
*Zach Easterling
*Chris Pepperling
*Donald Ellsworth
*Nolan Grider
*Dylan Gustus
*Adam Morrow
*Dean Pfeifer
*Stephen Hanger
*Jason Holman
*Justin Kreutzer
*Jeff Haydel
*Jason Laughlin
*Michael Brownlow
*Paul Lowrey
*Kelly Ganzel
*Miles Seaborn
*Bryan Lowery
*Jason Brazzel
*Devan Owens
*Kyle McClure
*Dasun Keylor
*Johnny Thompson
*Chris Wagle
*Jamie Callis
*Mike Grider
*Brice Longerbone
*Philip Perkins
*Randy Fortenberry
*Taylor Sears
*Jay Woodroof
*Calvin Vo
*Zachary Asbury
*Paul Kainer
*Scott Garner
Brandon Ray
*Matt Orum
Shane Taylor
Jason Brazzel
Kris Orrick
Tommy Sheets
Joe Torres
Todd Alexander
Chris Eads
Larry Bledsoe
Jose Ossa
Drew Davis
Daniel Philley
Eric Tracy

potential -
John Fowler
Rick Chriswell
John Jennings
Stephen Heaps
Tony Bass
Coda Hatfield
Philip Raymond
Sean Portilla
Tony Forrester
Kenny Priest
Tom Pitchford

*paid



I know of a few from GA, they are leaving today

Matt Dollar
Josh Childs
Matlack
Brett Rouseau

Casino ODDS courtesy of Bluff McGee
Bets MUST be placed with US postal service
money orders from only New Sarpy, LA.

Odds to Win the 2008 SNPC

Nash it Up Clayton...................40-1
Mobile Rivers........................40-1
Can't Wait for Willie to Bogey......1000-1
Double D Daugherty...................75-1
Letsee James Double Bogey............500-1
Pelton Them With Shreves.............65-1
Crack Easterling.....................100-1
Salt & Pepperling....................200-1
What the Ellsitworth.................80-1
Nolan Easy Grider....................9-1
Dylan DisGustusting.................200-1
Adam No ToMorrow....................140-1
Dean"Ain't got no SN Points"Pfeifer.900-1
Stephen Hangerit up after round 1...1000-1
Chasin Hole,man.....................150-1
Justin Time to Bogey Kreutzer.......200-1
Jeff No Waydel.....................2000-1
Laughlin Because He's OB............175-1
Brownlow Drawers....................500-1
St. Paul Lowrey.....................300-1
Kelly Cantzel.......................400-1
Kilometers Cborn....................500-1
Fryin' Lowery.......................350-1
Samson..............................400-1
Devan By the River Owens............500-1
Pile of McClure.....................500-1
Dasun is Not Out for Keylor...........700-1
Thompson Twin Johnny..................900-1
Waggle On Home Chris..................700-1
Do Callistenics Instead of Disc Golf..200-1
Mike Easy Grider......................33-1
Longerbone Not LongerThrown...........600-1
Philip DoubleParkins..................400-1
Very Fortenberry......................90-1
Tears for Sears.......................1200-1
Termite-Infested Woodroof.............750-1
Calvin Pro that won the SNAC..........400-1
Crackary Asbury.......................400-1
Kinder Paul..........................1500-1
Don't Call Him Jessica Garner.........60-1
Brandon No Ray of Hope................600-1
PhenomOrum............................3-1
Tailor-made Bogey Opportunities.......250-1
KO'd by an Orrick Vaccuum.............5-1
Dirty Sheets..........................700-1
Joe Torres got fired by Stienbrenner..900-1
Alexander the Almost Great............8-1
Chris Eads Bogeys For Breakfast.......1000-1
Larry Bled so They Got A Bandage......40-1
Slowse Ossa...........................50-1
Drew Jefferson Davis..................85-1
Philley Vanilli......................24-1
ET I'll sell you anything for $1.....100-1
Matt Hall of Shame....................20-1
Coda $ h a t in A field..................5-1
Josh Crowl Away and Hide...............1000-1
Fallen BRaines.........................300-1
Brandon Jonesin for a Birdie...........800-1
Super SHeaps...........................150-1
Largemouth Bass........................90-1
Matt Won't Win A Dollar................600-1
Julia Childs...........................900-1
Matlacking Game........................800-1
F'n Fowler..............................7-1
Carless David..........................90-1
Forrest of Bogeys......................400-1

those not her are missing a great event!

Nice shooting KO!

Way to rip it up DJ - nice shooting!!!!

Wow!
They did it again...
The SNPC proves once again to be the premier disc golf tourney series. The tournaments are run for the players.
Amazing (FAT} payout. (just don't suck)
Unique, custom carved trophies.
Great well run tournament...on time.
Players pack for all.
Lunch both days.
Cold drinks on the course.
Two fantastic courses. (I've never had more fun playing bad golf)
Fantastic competition & friendly fun. (like I said...I've never had more fun playing bad golf)
Spotters on the island holes.
Players party w/ more free food!
Only 8 hours from Houston!
Burns Park...I'll be back!!!
Thanks to the event hosts, generous sponsors, volunteers, locals that worked on the courses, fast online results, and a great road-trip partner, great shooting Ron!

Payout?

Payout?




Great!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks Alex,had a great time .Thanks to everyone that made this event possible,to many people to thank.Got to play 3 rounds with Doug W.Thanks Again

Nice comeback Matt. USDGC spots?

I know DJ gave his USDGC spot to Devan

i didn't think you could "give" your spot to someone else. anyway, devan should have qualified anyway without anyone being generous

i didn't think you could "give" your spot to someone else. anyway, devan should have qualified anyway without anyone being generous



No because Nolan "Requalified"! :confused: Anyway I thought you could decline an invitation and it moves on to the next guy which is what Daryl did.

"requalified". once you fail to register you have lost the ability to qualify, right?

"requalified". once you fail to register you have lost the ability to qualify, right?



That is what I thought and they didn't give me a "requalify" spot.

I thought if you didn't pay on time you had to monday qualify.

per the usdgc qualifying doc..."Any player missing their deadline for entry automatically forfeits eligibility and may not re-qualify at Regional or Global Qualifying events. Players missing a registration deadline will remain eligible for Monday Qualifying, special invitation, or can be chosen as a State or National Representative."

something sounds fishy.

per the usdgc qualifying doc..."Any player missing their deadline for entry automatically forfeits eligibility and may not re-qualify at Regional or Global Qualifying events. Players missing a registration deadline will remain eligible for Monday Qualifying, special invitation, or can be chosen as a State or National Representative."

something sounds fishy.




So you can still get the state rep spot?

Personally I don't like being able to Monday qualify as that takes away another from another guy who could have gotten in.

With that said I might fly out and try to do it. :D

Basically Nolan cant requalify, and because DJ cant go this tourney only gave away 4 spots.

Basically Nolan cant requalify, and because DJ cant go this tourney only gave away 4 spots.



You can decline the spot and they can't be forced to take it. I remember or if I am wrong Dixon may that they asked each of us if we wanted to accept and you could decline.

Right, but the spot doesnt move to the next inline if someone declines it. So only 4 from the SNPC.

Right, but the spot doesnt move to the next inline if someone declines it. So only 4 from the SNPC.



If it doesn't move down then that is another thing they need to fix with the qualifying system for next year.

Its ok, I dont need to go anyway. I cant even beat a grandmaster....... :D

Its ok, I dont need to go anyway. I cant even beat a grandmaster....... :D




You should probably just quit playing! :D

Its ok, I dont need to go anyway. I cant even beat a grandmaster....... :D




You should probably just quit playing! :D



Yeah.....

I hope the USDGC people correct any mistakes made on part of their qualifying partners tournaments. The way i see it, Miles gets an invite.

I hope the USDGC people correct any mistakes made on part of their qualifying partners tournaments. The way i see it, Miles gets an invite.



But what if DJ wanted to go and could? He earned it, I didnt play well enough to get it. Its my fault, Cant blame anyone else. SNPC was a fun tourney! It was run fairly smooth and everyone seemed to have a great time. I will be back next year!

I hope the USDGC people correct any mistakes made on part of their qualifying partners tournaments. The way i see it, Miles gets an invite.



Miles , if you qualify and need help getting there , I will help sponsor....

Any other takers ?

This was a FUN event with some good courses. Free breakfast at the host hotel and free lunch both days at the course. Lots of water, gatorade and sodas for all to have. It was great to meet so many good people. I really like the feel of the Southern National events. I will definitely be back next year. Next year I will know to bring my beat up rocs and putters. Nothing but turnover shots out there.

Yeah I know! The water and drinks were awesome! And your right, for 2 rounds I only had 4 drivers in my bag!?!?!?!?

great event!
Super great people and the PDGA could take a lesson from the SN tour

Seems like this was a PDGA event...

Only because of the scantioning, the payout was way better than a PDGA event. :o

It still was a PDGA event in a series that gathered funds throughout the year for the payoff. A great event is just a great event regardless of sanctioning, so kudos to their team.

is the payout listed anywhere?

Chuck..... Simmer
It was sanctioned and I would like for it very clear the SN tour is a family of passionate people with the same goal.
Simplifying the goal made for a successful tour/event. That is what the PDGA should take a lesson in.

Clarification on the USDGC spots.

I apologize in advance for the mistakes I made in the process. After getting additionsl info from the USDGC people, Nolan Grider wasn't eligible for a spot.

The final top five were;
Darryl Daughterty - 202
Rivers Sherrod - 203
Devan Owens - 205
Justin Kreutzer - 205
Daryl Johnson - 205

I mistakenly thought Nolan got a spot since he didn't register in the 30 day window. The question at the end of the tournament was Devan, Justin and Daryl playing off for the last "2" spots. Daryl said he couldn't make it to the USDGC and declined a playoff with 2 players left and 2 spots the spots were given to Devan and Justin.

Darly Johnson gets the last spot, even though he isn't going. The spot doesn't go to the next player.

Payout wise there was $22,685 given out plus $400 for the skills/putting contests, plus $400 tournament ace pot. (a player generated ace pot was also available)

1st open - $2400
1st masters - $1720
1st grandmasters - $1300
1st pro women - $750
1st pro master women - $300

There were two aces all weekend, Pat Barnes of Mobile aced 14 red Saturday and had to split the $800ish ace pot with Kevin Pelton of Shreveport who aced 2 Blue (his last hole of the final round).

Non-cash items was the $22 players pack which included a tournament tshirt and tournament stamped dx san marino roc.

Lunch both days, drinks on the course, a $600 players party. About $900 in ctps, and $500 in bag tag raffles at the awards.

The tournament went pretty well and hopefully everyone had a great time.

Mistakes that were made, I take all the blame...

1. The basket positions Friday weren't in the Saturday positions. Saturday there were players throwing at the incorrect spot (in my defense I knew this at the players meeting and did announce that players verify the hole based on the hole diagram printed on the back of the scorecard)

2. The confusion with the USDGC spots, I should have had a better understanding of the process.

3. The payout in all the divisions was top heavy. It was pointed out after the payout was posted Sunday morning, but at that point I felt it was too late to adjust and chaulked it up to lessons learned. (maybe it's never too late and the payout should've been adjusted)

4. There was a 3-way tie for the last payout spot in masters (everyone was bailing after the fourth round and at least 1/3-1/2 of the players that cashed wanted to get the payout so they could get on the road) I erroneously paid the entire $80 to Mark, Dieter pointed out the error and he was taken care of but Alex Hughes, I owe you $27.00

Any comments and critiques are welcome, I have to talk to the rest of the club, no one has stepped up to host the 09 SNPC, we might take another shot at it....

Oh and thanks to everone that came, 145 players showed up, the previous record for attendance was 119 when it was in Memphis in 2002.

John k

John, give me your address and i will send you the diff.
Mark

Also, First time I have played a real SN tour event.The Unity Summitt where I qualified was good but it was basically all PDGA players.I have only played a few events that could equal this one.I will be back,

Thanks Mark it wasn't your fault...

1505 Rebel Dr
Jacksonville, AR 72076

Seems like this was a PDGA event...



yes, the pdga made a little money. :D

I hope the USDGC people correct any mistakes made on part of their qualifying partners tournaments. The way i see it, Miles gets an invite.



But what if DJ wanted to go and could? He earned it, I didnt play well enough to get it. Its my fault, Cant blame anyone else. SNPC was a fun tourney! It was run fairly smooth and everyone seemed to have a great time. I will be back next year!



My bad. How did i miss DJ? That's great! I hope everyone that Qfies goes.

john and Crew----AWESOME JOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hope the USDGC people correct any mistakes made on part of their qualifying partners tournaments. The way i see it, Miles gets an invite.



Miles , if you qualify and need help getting there , I will help sponsor....

Any other takers ?




I'll take but it is too late. Class doesn't start until Thursday because of the storm so I still don't know if I could wing the monday thing.

Actually as part of the endowment program all the PDGA fees ($290) was matched and $580 will be donated to the Arkansas Children's Hospital Burn Unit to support Camp Smile. The PDGA sanctioning fee was paid for by Addie Isbell who works for the PDGA now but has some sn roots, as her sponsorship for the SNPC.

I'll have the rest of the info submitted to the PDGA asap. Thanks to Chris Jaskolka of Huntsville for filling out 95% of the pdga td report for me Sunday.

Also the final six isn't posted but here's the scores below: 1-719ft; 2-390ft; 3-277ft island hole; 4-400ft; 5-390ft; 6-720ft

Name; 1; 2; 3; 4; 5; 6; total; final total
MattO; 4; 3; 2; 3; 3; 5; 20; 213
Matt Hall; 4; 3; 2; 3; circle4; circle5; 21; 221
Darryl Daughtery; 3; 4; 3; 3; 3; 5; 21; 223
Kris Orrick; 3; 5; dcircle6; 3; 3; 4; 24; 225

John k

Chuck..... Simmer
It was sanctioned and I would like for it very clear the SN tour is a family of passionate people with the same goal.
Simplifying the goal made for a successful tour/event. That is what the PDGA should take a lesson in.



exactly!

It's not the PDGA you're talking to but apparently all of the TDs and volunteers who run PDGA events. Hopefully, you're taking your experiences from the SNPC back to your hometown TDs to improve what you feel needs improving in events held in your area.

It's not the PDGA you're talking to but apparently all of the TDs and volunteers who run PDGA events. Hopefully, you're taking your experiences from the SNPC back to your hometown TDs to improve what you feel needs improving in events held in your area.




Maybe the PDGA should look at the payout and think of trying out something similar!

They take 42 from each entry and put it towards this event so why can't we take out $1 and put it into worlds so it actually means something and the players outside the lucky few can break even?

The PDGA already takes more than eqiuvalent of $1 out when you consider the cost spent on staffing, stipend and producing the DVD for Worlds.

It's not the PDGA you're talking to but apparently all of the TDs and volunteers who run PDGA events. Hopefully, you're taking your experiences from the SNPC back to your hometown TDs to improve what you feel needs improving in events held in your area.



No it IS the PDGA I'm talking about

The PDGA doesn't run events so your remarks are misplaced then.

How and why did you twist that around?
I said the pdga should take a lesson in simplifying their goals
NOT how to run an event
NOT how to take money and disguise it as added money going towards a championship.
And don�t get me started on how my membership dollar, sanction fees, and player fees are broke down and utilized for the sport.
I have never seen a break down and don�t care to�.cause just like the $1000 toilet seat used by our government��..its need but $1000 for a $5 part?

The PDGA already takes more than eqiuvalent of $1 out when you consider the cost spent on staffing, stipend and producing the DVD for Worlds.




So that means there can't be a $1 worlds payout fee?I don't see why the Pros front the cost of the DVD as we are just getting filmed it is the AMs who actually buy it.

Take a dollar out of ever entry which would be 100,000-125,000 dollars and put it into worlds over the money the PDGA already puts in!


Matt-O took home 2,400 with 2nd and 3rd getting over 1,000 and the entry was only $80.

Worlds on the other hand costs 3 times as much and the payout sucks! The percentages work out be more like a C-B tier and not a major.

If the PDGA would take $1 from every entry and put it towards worlds it would ease things up a bit and make the payout WAY better.

Pleeeeeaaasasssse back to the subject. This thread is for the 2008 SNPC not about Southern Nationals vs. PDGA.

John, Thanks for all your hard work you and the rest of the Little Rock crew did a fantastic job. Things were very smooth and lots of fun.

I for one appreciate what you do.

Tom L.

My bad. How did i miss DJ? That's great! I hope everyone that Qfies goes.



Yeah. I missed him too. So I had about an hour and a half of thinking that I had the spot. So I now know what it feels like to know your in...... :DBut congrats to everyone who did qualify!

The PDGA already takes more than eqiuvalent of $1 out when you consider the cost spent on staffing, stipend and producing the DVD for Worlds.



now thats funny! Take is the key word there!

The lesson to be learned is that fees can be collected and given back without having to support some of those costs. Pay for the DVD? I seem to recall Jonny B filming last years SNPC and did nothing more then ask how many would like one. It would seem foolish to pay for something that is in turn not making/paying for itself.

John and his crew did an awesome job of raising sponsorship and that is what helped boost the payouts. Not sure how much JK spent but he bought all of the drinks for the players on both days. THANKS!!!

As for it being a pDGA event, that has always been to maintain the ability to award the USDGC spots.


FIRST CLA$$!

I heard that the SNPC was a PDGA C-tier. It seems to me that any kind of championship should be at least a PDGA B-tier.
Anyway, it was a well-run tournament. Thanks to John K. for doing it. I know there was a lot of hard work required! They definitely had a lot of water, Gatorade, and drinks on hand which was great. Thanks to the wonderful staff. I really like the spotters......when they raised a green flag for me. LOL Seriously, it was nice to have spotters on the island holes. By the way, the island holes were a nice touch!

Karen

If it had been a B-tier, they wouldn't have been able to donate to the charity. A,B,C, bottomline should be the payout and I'm sure you've been thinking of what to do with that $750! Good Shooting Karen!

Here's the link to the final results posted at the SN website with the payout included. None of the lunches or drinks are included in the payout.

Also props to Evan McKee and Trophies Unlimited for the very fine trophy discs, they were incredible, and the winners in each division got a metal mini that proclaimed them the winner for their respective divisions. Huge sponsorship from Evan who also came down from Ft Simth Arkansas to act as a spotter. Definite class act. as were all the players, thanks again. The players definitlely made all the work that went into the tournament worthwhile.

John k

http://www.sndg.org/stats/event.php/800

good job Suemac,Scooter,Vinnie,and Miles you represented well, that scoreboard looked like a Texas Takeover!! :D
Nolan is the only player from Texas that has played well at that tournament before now.

those payouts look wierd.every player got paid??. masters player said he got 1720 but it shows 1800 something?

I am curious about that too. Dont know why, but it says I got 342 when I only got 320. I am sure there is a good explanation.

Non-cash items was the $22 players pack which included a tournament tshirt and tournament stamped dx san marino roc.

Players pack? I didn't recieve any players pack.

Players pack? I didn't recieve any players pack.



Sure you did, it's that t-shirt your traveling partner was wiping all the puke off his mouth with. :D:D You weren't supposed to find out that it was yours. :eek: :eek:

The payout in the SN series doesn't reflect just cash, it reflects the retail value of the players pack (thats were the $22 came from) also included were the ctps and prizes raffled off to sn bag tag holders at the awards ceremony.

The actual cost of the trophies is included, $20, but the retail cost of those trophies was $80 easy, also included in the first place winners total was the cost of the metal mini, $18, and the SN Bag tags given out ($20 each)

Not reflected is the cost of the food, Satudays lunch was provided by Downtown Deli as there sponsorship. 160 lunches with sandwiches, chips, and a cookie (I estimate the retail value at around $600) the pizza on Sunday, 60 pizzas delivered for $325, or the cost of the drink available throughtout the tournament, @$300.

Sorry if you didn't get a players pack, I was at the registration table all day Friday and felt confident everyone got one, but some thing slip through the cracks...

John k

Thanks for the explanation and congratulations, Sue. YES!!!! It sure was a nice payout, and I made a trip to the bank yesterday. Looking forward to seeing y'all later this month in Huntsville.

No problems John, still worth every penny even with out the players pack. ;)

Thanks

AHYEEEE!
Dat Little Rock and Johnny K
Done us proud!!!

Thanks to Southern Nationals and all the TD's.
and the players that paid $2 per tourney.
The pDGA also made a difference with the
Competition/Charity Program.
The waiving of the fees ($3/ and $10 privilege to play) ,
led to bigger payouts and all the extras.

Jason Southwick, at Marshall Street, in his quirky way,
has "Taken a liking" to us, JS ran SN events, provided online
reg., sent us $ponsorships, DVD's, $100 ctp.....

Jim Orum puts his heart and soul to his SN family...
Dem Ourm boys can pass a good time, too.

Something is working here, it will continue.
Ready to do it again next year, John?

steve timm

from the sn discussion board









Sorry it took so long to get the final numbers out, thanks again to all the sponsors and volunteers....

________________________________________

The 08 SNPC now OVER, here is a final update on the tournament. Date � 8 Sep 08

Final Sponsorship:
$1000��North Little Rock Promotion Committee
$200��..R&R (thanks Willie and Red)
$50���.Emerald Coast Disc Golf Club
$172��..SkySouth (JimO)
$50���.Danny Daniels
$235��..Innova (.50 disc discounts for the SN discs bought by clubs and set to me)
$75���.Addie Isbell (to pay the PDGA sanctioning fee)
$100��.Don Perkins
$100��.Mike Kernan
$50���James Lecy
$25��..Emily Lawrence
$25��..Jeff Reynolds
$200��Sulzer and Williams, LLC
$500�..MADGA (Mobile Area Disc Golf Association)
$250�..Memphis Disc Golf Club
$200�..Southside
$100�..Hartsville Disc Golf Club
$25��.Jamie Abernathy
$150�..CAE Inc.
$100�..Wildcat Disc Gold Club of Hot Springs Arkansas
$100�..Arcadiana Disc Golf Association
$200�..Abby Road Little Rock
$600�..Abby Road North
$50�..Keystone Liquor
$50�...Kapow Comics
$200�.Tom Lowry
$50��Joe Rotan
$50�..Doug Pierce
$40�..Robbie Shaw
$40�..RR Club (Jamie Callis)
$390�Little rock club

$5,377: Total Cash

$600��..Dillards (Gift cards, gift baskets, clothes)
$750.......Trophies Unlimited (thanks Evan McKee )
@$150..Marshall Street Disc Golf (dvd, discs, tshirts, ect)
@$200..Susan Macaluso (tshirts, golf towels)
@50�.Adam Jordan tshirts
$50�..Spinsational Disc Promotions (drinks)
$650�Downtown Deli (160 box lunches)
$15�.Kelly Ganzel
$450�Keeling Company (water hose attachment)
$110�Traveler basket John k
$50�.SkySouthwest / Will Timmons
$100�.Ben and Linda Mosakowski (money for tee pad concrete)
$100�.Starbucks (coffee and cookies)
$102.50�Innova discount/waived fee for pp discs


$3377.50:..Total Merchandise / Discounted Sponsorship


Money from mini and fundraiser tournaments, ect :
$1100�..Lori�s one round minis
$317�.�5 July Fundraiser tournament
$35��..Traveler raffle
$110�...Arkansas bag tags
$60��..Alma Mini-tourney
$300��AR bag tags / WAFDA
$286�..27 July Fundraiser tournament
$100�.Russellville mini

Total: $2,308


SNPC Fundraiser discs:
$1,840�.92 of 100 Discs sold

SN Bag Tags
$2,920�.146 Bag tags

SN Fees
$2,023 - pro men
$290.5 � pro women
$761.25 � pro master
$21 � pro master women
$474.25 � pro grandmaster

$3,570 - total


Total cash added: $16,015

EXPENSES:
$819.23��.Fundraiser discs
$25.2���..Stamps for invitations
$125����Room rental for awards
$75���....PDGA sanctioning
$576��.....Money donated to Arkansas Children�s Hospital Burn Unit
$300����Trophies (1st-3rd for 5 divisions at $20 each)
$600��..�Player�s party at My Friends Place
$600���..Players Pack Discs
$1046.68�.Tshirts (164 shirts, 150 player/14 staff)
$325���...Pizza Sunday (300 plus 25 tip)
$202.50��.metal minis (12 metal minis)
$50����..Printing costs
$300����drinks
$480����Entry fee for 6 players (Marla Lenox, Calvin Vo, adv winners from the SNAC. Lori Maxwell, Dickey Maxwell, Robbie Shaw, Len Benfell�.individuals who brought in at least $300 in sponsorship to the tournament)

$5,524.61


Bottom Line:
$16,015
-$5,524.61
$10,490.39 ADDED TO PAYOUT



08 Projected with 138 players paid (144 total minus 6 listed above)
$11,040 (entry fees 138 x $80)
+ $10,490.39
$21,530.39 cash payout

CASH actually paid out
$11,820��Pro Open
$6,030��..Pro masters
$2,995��..Pro grandmasters
$1,460��..Pro women
$380���..Pro master women
$22, 685�..total cash payout

$400��.added ace pot
$400��.skills competition

$23,485�..total CASH PAID OUT

____________________________________

yeah the numbers don't match up which was clarified in this email to the sn board.

As the SN treasurer I apologize to the SN Board. I made a mistake in regards to the SNPC. Instead of opening a separate account for the SNPC I used the regular SN account. This lead to several mistakes financially:
I kept a pretty good account of what went into the SN account for the SNPC, but Thursday and Friday before the event I hadn�t given myself a solid number to be withdrawn from the SN account.

My intention was to withdraw more than what I would need for the SNPC, figure out the math then re-deposit the rest due to the time constraints on Friday before the event.

Instead of trusting my numbers I had I attempted to work the account in reverse. What should have been in the account was:
1. SN fee collected for the 08-09 season
2. 08-09 Bag tag money collected so far
3. SN Board money left from the last season.

The number left over was given to Jeff Haydel who helped me figure the payout for the SNPC. What happened was too much money was paid out at the SNPC. From my figures I think the SNAC was shorted $281.75 (see below), I failed to add several tournament s from the 08-09 season that had paid to the figure I gave Jeff. I was $458 short in the figure I supplied. I believe the SN account had built up @$500 in overpaid sn fees over the last 3-4 years in fees paid by the TD for novice and jr players and the money left over from last year�s $ .25 that I didn�t account for. After the tournament in reimbursing my expenses I was short about $500 dollars. I still can�t account for all the extra money, the money I was short was about the same as the sn fees short that was paid. I do believe that about an extra @$740 from the sn account was used for the SNPC, the money shorted to the snac and the extra surplus/unaccounted money in the account.

The SN account does have what it should have in regards to 08-09 fees, 08-09 bag tags and 07-08 SN board money left over, and that�s broken down below. The accounting errors were my entire fault and again I apologize. Lessons were learned and if we do get the 09 SNPC in North Little Rock, I will open a separate account. I�m still willing to be the SN treasure but if the board feels that the mistakes made were too much and wish to pass that task on to someone else I understand.

If the extra money that was put into the SNPC need to be paid back, that�s the board�s decision, but in my defense in that regard the money did go to the players.


SN FEE BREAKDOWN:
SNPC
2028.......Total pro players
X $2.......SN fee per player
$4056......SN fees collected
-$507......25 of $2 for SN board use
$3549......SN fees going to payout


SNAC
3851.......Total am players
X $2.......SN fee per player
$7702......SN fees collected
-$962.75 .25 of $2 for SN board use
$6739.25 SN fees going to payout
$6457.50 Actually sent
$281.75 difference



SNDC
420.......Total players
X $2......SN fee per player
$840......SN fees collected
-$105......25 of $2 for SN board use
$735......SN fees going to payout
$763......Actually sent
-$28......difference


SN Board money collected
$507......SN pro singles
$962.75...SN am singles
$105......SN doubles players
$1574.75

Spent so far
$181.44....SN end of year awards
$550.......200 SN bag tags
$152.......Banners
$348.15....Points discs
$40.50.....15 ladies bag tags
$1272.09



08-09 SN fees collected
$70.00........Twin Oaks Open (07-08 holdover)
$86.00........WC Handy memorial (07-08 holdover)
$74.00........Fling with the King
$110.00.......Southside kickoff
$122.00.......Scottlandville Summer Sizzler
$220.00.......Mobile doubles
$166.00.......Al Amateur Open
$320.00.......Play it Again Open
$140.00.......Alma Greens
$180.00.......Pyramids 19
$68.00........Hartselle Tournament
$44.00........SNPC fundraiser part 1
$36.00........SNPC fundraiser part 2
$86.00........Steady Eddie Birthday Bash

$1722.00......Total



08-09 bag tags
$780..........39 tags at snac
$1060.........53 tags at snpc
$20...........1 tag sold to Alex Hughes

15 to Will Timmons � 1 Sep 08 (92 left with John K)


Should have in the SN account:

08-09 SN fees collected........$1722
Bag Tag money collected........$1860 (93 sold so far)
SN Board money.................$302.66
Total..........................$3864.66

The actual account as of 11 Sep 200 is $3,886.83


Other mistakes that were made at the SNPC:

1..Baskets Friday weren�t the same as the positions Saturday.
2..Some confusion in regard to the USDGC spots (all has been resolved)
3..Payout was top heavy in all the divisions
4..The payout for last cash place in masters was messed up (there was a 3 way tie and all was paid to 1 player who left before the awards, all parties have been taken care of)


I'll do better next year if we get the 09 SNPC.

hopefully everyone appreciates the transparency....warts and all

John k

Great job JK and as always you are a class act and the SN has been lucky to have you. Looking forward to the 09 SNPC in LR.

You also left out the 100 worth of merchandise I gave you;o]~

Great job!

Jamie thanks for the update!

60 pizzas delivered for $325



you got a very good deal on the pizzas at $5 each. (of course that depends on where the pizzas came from and how good they were)

they came from CiCi's and they were good =)

yeah the pizzas were very good, pepperoni, sausage, bbq, buffalo wing and cheese....thanks Cicis Pizza

We'll be hosting the 09 SNPC as well next labor Day weekend. Sorry for the overlook Bob....

We'll do better next year any suggestions on how to make the tournament better let me know...

John k

hot dang Little Rock again!!!!!!
I'll ready look forward to it.
Thems AR-KANAS folks are sure nice folks

John, you guys we fantastic!! I for one am very excited about the SNPC being in Little Rock again! (I can have another shot at those layouts)

Very much looking forward to it.