mikeP
May 09 2008, 09:30 AM
I just got a new car and I haven't put any stickers on it yet. It has had me wondering...is your car more likely to get pulled over if you have DG stickers? Certain habits of certain participants in our sport are unfortunately well-known by at least some percentage of people outside the DG culture. Law enforcement in my community seems keen on the happenings at our parks, so I'm wondering if the reputation is such that one would be wise to think twice about covering their car in DG stickers and driving across the interstates (especially if you really don't want to get pulled over). What do you guys think?

travisgreenway
May 09 2008, 09:40 AM
I voted no because most cops prolly' won't recognise DG sponsers anyway........But mine is next to my Jarhead sticker so PROFILE AWAY.....it is amazing what an EGA will get you these days.

jmc2442
May 09 2008, 09:55 AM
they profile any car with stickers and more than one individual under the age of thirty inside. sad but true. I've seen it one too many times to not believe that.

skaZZirf
May 09 2008, 09:56 AM
they profile any car with stickers and more than one individual under the age of thirty inside. sad but true. I've seen it one too many times to not believe that.


exactly.

Roosta
May 09 2008, 10:54 AM
i was drving down a freeway and a cop was beside me(could not see my plate but could see my disc golf stickers) and he slammed his brakes got behind me and pulled me over and searched my car. i don't partake so i new i was clean but there was no other reason i could find for him pulling me over....

jmc2442
May 09 2008, 11:18 AM
no it was not the DG stickers, its was stickers in general and you being a younger male, prolly with a ball cap on too? have tinted windows? thats a profile marker as well.

good luck out there... we all need it.

atxdiscgolfer
May 09 2008, 11:25 AM
why did you let him search? they have to at least have a reason, next time take down his name and badge # and threaten to report it to his chief of police especially if you are riding clean. They used to do this same thing in my hometown until an internal affairs agent was searched unlawfully and put a stop to that.

skaZZirf
May 09 2008, 11:34 AM
If you are NOT ridin' dirty, never allow them to search!!! Get his #'s and report the whole thing.

my_hero
May 09 2008, 12:00 PM
I voted YES becuase i have seen it happen. The police officer told the driver he had been pulled over for probable cause. The driver asked what probable cause and the officer quickly pointed to the 6-8 inch oval INNOVA Disc Golf sticker. A no insurance ticket was the only citation handed out.

JWI
May 09 2008, 12:01 PM
Don't get paranoid people. When I used to follow the Dead, people said the same thing about GD stickers. However, if you don't do anything illegal, they can't pull you over or search you. I thought disc golf was beyond self-persecution and "pity me I'm being picked on". If profiling took place as much as people think, my GD and DG stickers would get me stopped all the time.

deathbypar
May 09 2008, 12:10 PM
I thought disc golf was beyond self-persecution and "pity me I'm being picked on".



First of all, I don't see anyone complaining about being picked on.

And, disc golf is obviously not beyond anything.

atxdiscgolfer
May 09 2008, 12:44 PM
read the 5th post.

playtowin
May 09 2008, 01:11 PM
If your worried about getting pulled over because of a disc golf sticker, that's probably not the only reason why your worried! :eek:

Lyle O Ross
May 09 2008, 01:13 PM
I have PDGA and zonedriven stickers all over my rear window and I drive a lot. I've never been pulled over and I get a lot of "tailing" police cars on the roads I drive on just because of the location.

On top of that I have a very prominent radar detector, not illegal in Texas.


Of course I live in Houston and it might be that they're too busy profiling Hispanics and Blacks to pay much attention to me. :)

michellewade
May 09 2008, 03:26 PM
I have the same stickers that Mace Man has on his side mirrors and DG basket on both sides of my mini-van. Never been pulled over, ever. But then again, I'm a white female and we all know we're *never* up to no good. ;) :D

Pizza God
May 09 2008, 03:33 PM
Shoot, my plates even say "DSC GOF" and I have every disc golf sticker I can get on my truck, add to that all the Ron Paul stickers (total of 5 right now, I took a faded one off) Then add to that I have long hair.

Yet I have never had my car searched in my life.

Lyle O Ross
May 09 2008, 04:42 PM
Shoot, my plates even say "DSC GOF" and I have every disc golf sticker I can get on my truck, add to that all the Ron Paul stickers (total of 5 right now, I took a faded one off) Then add to that I have long hair.

Yet I have never had my car searched in my life.



Too good to pass up. The reason they don't pull you over Za is that they're more scared of you than you would be of them! :D

Roosta
May 09 2008, 05:31 PM
it wasn't a big deal to me i was clean and i feel the nicer and less rebellious you are to a cop the better the chances of you are on going away without a ticket...

tbender
May 09 2008, 05:45 PM
the nicer and less rebellious you are to a cop the better the chances of you are on going away without a ticket...



TRUTH

May 09 2008, 05:59 PM
why did you let him search? they have to at least have a reason, next time take down his name and badge # and threaten to report it to his chief of police especially if you are riding clean. They used to do this same thing in my hometown until an internal affairs agent was searched unlawfully and put a stop to that.



In the great state of Texas, unless they have probable cause, i.e. open container , particular odors ;) , or
if you are obviously intoxicated : They must present you
with a search warranty to legally search your vehicle.

Anything other than that is against the law...

May 09 2008, 06:02 PM
" and profilin' is wrong "
Ron White

tbender
May 11 2008, 02:45 PM
why did you let him search? they have to at least have a reason, next time take down his name and badge # and threaten to report it to his chief of police especially if you are riding clean. They used to do this same thing in my hometown until an internal affairs agent was searched unlawfully and put a stop to that.



In the great state of Texas, unless they have probable cause, i.e. open container , particular odors ;) , or
if you are obviously intoxicated : They must present you
with a search warranty to legally search your vehicle.

Anything other than that is against the law...



I hope you know how easy it is to find probable cause.

spartan
May 11 2008, 03:11 PM
Don't get paranoid people. When I used to follow the Dead, people said the same thing about GD stickers. However, if you don't do anything illegal, they can't pull you over or search you. I thought disc golf was beyond self-persecution and "pity me I'm being picked on". If profiling took place as much as people think, my GD and DG stickers would get me stopped all the time.



Knoxville 1997. Pulled over for nothing more than a GD sticker. I dont believe most officers know the stigma following disc golf and illegal activities (maybe a small few know) but the GD sticker myth was real for some. maybe still is..

tbender
May 12 2008, 09:40 AM
Martin, it wasn't the sticker. They actually thought you were a football player.

james_mccaine
May 12 2008, 10:52 AM
Knoxville 1997. Pulled over for nothing more than a GD sticker. I dont believe most officers know the stigma following disc golf and illegal activities (maybe a small few know) but the GD sticker myth was real for some. maybe still is..



Well, were the officer's suspicions confirmed? ;)

seewhere
May 12 2008, 01:06 PM
I have heard that arlington police will pull you over for disc golf stuff on your car

frisbeeguy
May 12 2008, 01:25 PM
It would not surprise me if DG stickers on your car caused you to be stopped & questioned. GD stickers back in the day were definitely profiled.
There are dirty cops...no matter what the "law" says. A badge & a gun & a bad attitude means he can report probable cause, perform a search and "Hey...look what I found under your seat!"...your busted even though you did nothing wrong except happen to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
MT, I too was stopped while driving through Tennesee. I was in the middle of a string of an 8 car convoy on the Interstate. The cop zoomed past all of us, pulled to the side so we could pass, then he zoomed up & singled me out.
After the routine license & insurance check (no ticket, he said I was pulled over for no front license plate) He then stated that I "look like a gun runner"! Made me sit in the back of his car while throughly searching both the inside & trunk of the car.
I was finally on my way after about 15-20 minutes. Crazy.

frisbeeguy
May 12 2008, 01:29 PM
I was pulled over for speeding in Pantago, TX. while headed to Veterans Park in Arlington the first time...was trying to make the Sunday morning mini & didn't know where the park was.
The female cop gave me a warning & directions. :D

james_mccaine
May 12 2008, 01:38 PM
"look like a gun runner"



Wow, that's the first thing I thought when I met you too......"dude's a gun runner." ;)

I wonder if gun runner stickers get profiled?

spartan
May 12 2008, 01:45 PM
Knoxville 1997. Pulled over for nothing more than a GD sticker. I dont believe most officers know the stigma following disc golf and illegal activities (maybe a small few know) but the GD sticker myth was real for some. maybe still is..





Well, were the officer's suspicions confirmed? ;)



i wasn't wearing my correctional orange, bender. lol. pretty darn funny.

tbender
May 12 2008, 02:58 PM
Knoxville 1997. Pulled over for nothing more than a GD sticker. I dont believe most officers know the stigma following disc golf and illegal activities (maybe a small few know) but the GD sticker myth was real for some. maybe still is..





Well, were the officer's suspicions confirmed? ;)



i wasn't wearing my correctional orange, bender. lol. pretty darn funny.



Fulmer Cup from EDSBS (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=fulmer+cup) :)

sandalman
May 12 2008, 03:23 PM
I have heard that arlington police will pull you over for disc golf stuff on your car

never had trouble in arlington. but the Dalworthington Gardens fuzz know all about DG and the value to their city coffers that can be gained by harassing them :) i am stunned by the Pantego story - pantego is a lot like DWG. i wont even drive through DWG anymore even tho it costs me 10 minutes to go the long way round.

Fossil
May 12 2008, 07:05 PM
(he said I was pulled over for no front license plate)



The cop must have been a bit of an overachiever... since Tennessee never has had front plates and he somehow thought that your state did. And enforcing another states plate requirement seem a bit out of his juristriction.

the_kid
May 12 2008, 07:45 PM
That's why all the stickers on my car are Dg related but you would only know it you are a discer like Huk Lab and such.

thetruthxl
May 12 2008, 09:41 PM
what kind of car did you get, Mike?

I just got an 08 chevy malibu and I'm having a hard time putting any stickers on it too.

gnduke
May 13 2008, 01:31 AM
My truck has stickers on the glass.
Never put any on the convertible cause the glass is usually hidden from view.
Worked in a body shop in my youth, and can't bring myself to put stickers on paint.
Never been pulled over for it that I can think of.

kUrTp
May 13 2008, 09:50 AM
I'm putting it to the test. Got a Subaru Forester a couple months ago...Saw this thread so I put some Discraft stickers on it. If I get pulled over in the next couple of weeks, I'll let you all know.

Alacrity
May 13 2008, 10:00 AM
Profiling occurs for almost anything. I was born and raised in Texas, but my job took me to Kansas and I had Kansas plates on my car. I was driving through a small town in Texas to visit my Grandmother. Clean cut, this is before I started taking a razor to my head, and my prim and proper wife sitting next to me. I was pulled over by a deputy sherif and got the feeling he wanted to pull me out of my car, cuff me, and help me to trip a few times. Just a feeling. He asked for my driver license which I promptly gave him and he then started to read me the riot act for having a rear brake light out and how dangerous it was. I told him I was unaware of the light being out, but that I would get it fixed immediatly. He then started to write me a ticket, at which point I noticed his badge and realized he was my cousin. I said to him, "Paul, I'm your cousin in town to visit my grandmother." He tore up the ticket, smiled and told me to get the light fixed ASAP.

The moral of this story is that police will use anything to profile, stickers, out of state license plate, gun running appearance, etc.

Martin_Bohn
May 13 2008, 10:21 AM
I met a gentleman in Truckee, Ca. a few years back who told me how he was pulled over at least once a week by cops. he drove an old datsun pickup, had long blond hair kept in a pony tail. He said it got so bad he had to go to court and get a "get out of jail free" card from a judge which he would show to whomever was stopping him, whereupon the cop would let him go on his merry way. profiling for whatever reason sucks but what can you do? :(

May 13 2008, 02:34 PM
why did you let him search? they have to at least have a reason, next time take down his name and badge # and threaten to report it to his chief of police especially if you are riding clean. They used to do this same thing in my hometown until an internal affairs agent was searched unlawfully and put a stop to that.



In the great state of Texas, unless they have probable cause, i.e. open container , particular odors ;) , or
if you are obviously intoxicated : They must present you
with a search warranty to legally search your vehicle.

Anything other than that is against the law...



I hope you know how easy it is to find probable cause.



Not when your nose is clean ;)

abee1010
May 13 2008, 04:19 PM
They actually passed a law in Illinois last year which considers Led Zepplin stickers to be probable cause for searching a vehicle. That blew me away. Legalizing profiling???

james_mccaine
May 13 2008, 05:26 PM
Profiling works. As a teenager in Houston, I remember hearing hearing about an investigation into a rural police unit. It seems that they would stop anyone with long hair, rock n roll bumber stickers (disc golf wasn't big yet), out of state plates, and I think camaros or firebirds.

Anyways, a few years later, while at Lake Livinston (Scooter's haunts), my friend had to go pay a ticket in Coldspring, a backwater town consisting of about four houses at that time, in the middle of nowhere. My buddy was paying his ticket at some county building/house and I noticed a three-tiered, glass case filled with the most elaborate drug paraphenalia I had ever seen. You could tell that they were only displaying the best of the best. I thought, wow, this is odd, how does this backwater town in the middle of BFE have so much drup paraphenalia? Well, it finally dawned on me: on the edge of the county was highway 59 and these were those yokels I had heard about on the news, proudly displaying the spoils of unconstitutional searches.

The moral of the story. I'm not sure.

spartan
May 13 2008, 11:11 PM
i guess i did fall right into a major population of long-hairs at the time i was pulled over. and i was driving a vw bus that had a I (HEART) COPS on the opposite side of the rear window. the cop did ask me if i was "carrying pot" with no mention of a gun. he had one intention in mind and that was to get me for possession. thank goodness i was pulled over on my way strawberry's pad. polly want a cracker? dave's not here, man.

mikeP
May 15 2008, 09:59 AM
what kind of car did you get, Mike?

I just got an 08 chevy malibu and I'm having a hard time putting any stickers on it too.



I got another minivan. I just couldn't resist...once you've owned a minivan other vehicles just fall short. Its now the Fabulous Florida touring machine! Its a 2003 Pontiac Montana in great shape. That's the kind of "real car" you get when you're "real job" is public school teaching. Anyway, its pretty low profile so I'm personally not too worried about profiling. I just brought it up because I experience my first butthole cop a couple of weeks ago. My whole life I've had pretty much nothing but positive encounters with law enforcement. One cop was harassing me and others at Cliff Stevens.

He randomly pulled in the park parking lot, blocking in all the cars. It was at dusk after doubles and people were trying to leave. I was parked on the grass because there was no parking available when I got there and this is the customary place to park in that circumstance. The cop drove over to my car as I was getting in, and although it was still light out and he was 15' from my car, he still beamed his spotlight right in my face. I explained to him why I was parked in the grass and he said that it was legal, but despite this he started on a speech about "respecting the park", when I obviously support that goal wholeheartedly. Even after I explained that I was a local school teacher and always go out of my way to take care of the park and treat it like a second home, he still possessed a raw disposition. I'm still pretty confident that this guy was the exception and not the rule.

xterramatt
May 15 2008, 10:29 AM
<---- Has not been profiled as of yet. It's got a rather big disc golf sticker on it.

twoputtok
May 15 2008, 10:30 AM
and a little tornado. :D

pterodactyl
May 15 2008, 10:41 AM
I love my only sticked on my truck. TwisteD FlyeR, baby!!!

Alacrity
May 15 2008, 12:05 PM
I generally don't put stickers on my vehicles. I just don't like them, but several years back I got this one:
http://homegrownmusic.net/images/jgb3.jpg

If the police officers knew it was a Dead Head sticker they probably would have pulled me over many times.....

Maharg
May 15 2008, 06:23 PM
this has been a few months ago, the sheriffs in tulsa county have some 'interdiction team' grant or something. basically, they will pull you over for being 'suspicious'. No ambiguity there at all right? They don't say what the definition of suspicious is. I have a sneaking 'suspicion' it has to do w/ the color of your skin, or perhaps the condition of your vehicle, it could be stickers on your car, but those are my hunches.

Now, when you do not give consent for a cop to search your car, they will then say that is 'suspicious' and probable cause for you to then be searched...
there's some logic for you to ponder...

it goes back to that tired and flawed argument of 'if you don't have anything to hide why do you care?'

atxdiscgolfer
May 15 2008, 09:22 PM
cool sticker Jerry, whatever happened with the vandalism incident on the baskets at Lindsey? I know that the kids went to jail but did you guys get new baskets or did they just come out and repaint them?

Alacrity
May 16 2008, 12:14 PM
The city believes they have some cleaning solvents that will clean up the baskets. Funny thing is, one of the kids plays disc golf. You would think he would have cared a little more.


cool sticker Jerry, whatever happened with the vandalism incident on the baskets at Lindsey? I know that the kids went to jail but did you guys get new baskets or did they just come out and repaint them?

atxdiscgolfer
May 16 2008, 02:33 PM
one of the kids plays disc golf


I hope that it wasnt the one drinking the Milwaukees Best that had spray paint all over his shirt.What amazed me the most is when Jim asked them if they spray painted hole #13 Blue course basket; they said no but admitted to spray painting holes# 1-13 on the red course.I did feel sorry for the kid who had supposedly lost both his parents.They said they did this so that they could see the baskets better,all 3 of them gave us fake names and ages,and never did admit to spray painting hole #13's basket until the cops got there.We didnt want to have to call the cops and gave all of them a chance to get rid of their beer and whatever else they had before the cops got there;everyone was cool about the whole thing and gave them numerous chances to try and solve the problem without getting the cops involved but they refused to contact their parents and gave Jim no choice.

Alacrity
May 16 2008, 05:12 PM
It was.


one of the kids plays disc golf


I hope that it wasnt the one drinking the Milwaukees Best that had spray paint all over his shirt.