g1iguy
May 08 2008, 03:25 PM
Disc golfers and anyone using Bowling Green city parks are no longer allowed to smoke. The city courses are Lovers, Keriakes, Preston Miller, and Hobson. To read more about this click here. (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=1207470E4A3BE368&p_d ocnum=5)

Big E
May 08 2008, 03:26 PM
Disc golfers and anyone using Bowling Green city parks are no longer allowed to smoke. The city courses are Lovers, Keriakes, Preston Miller, and Hobson. To read more about this click here. (http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_action=doc&p_docid=1207470E4A3BE368&p_d ocnum=5)




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scoop
May 08 2008, 03:31 PM
It wouldn't come to this if people would simply pick up after themselves.

But they don't; most smokers (not all smokers obviously, but most of them) use the parks as their giant outdoor ashtrays.

okcacehole
May 08 2008, 03:50 PM
are they going to issue tickets?

OSTERTIP
May 08 2008, 04:07 PM
Obviously, you cant reform them all. But I know when I see a newby dropping butts on the ground I explain the "leave it better than you found it rule". Usually seems to work. Also if I see them do it again, I rag them about it until the stop completely.

frolfdisc
May 08 2008, 07:22 PM
It wouldn't come to this if people would simply pick up after themselves.

But they don't; most smokers (not all smokers obviously, but most of them) use the parks as their giant outdoor ashtrays.



And there you have it.

As a smoker, I have to say that this (other smokers being ignorant, selfish and/or rude enough to behave this way) really, really ticks me off!

I'm aware that I have a bad habit, and take great pains to try to ensure that nobody else but me suffers from it.

It doesn't surprise me in the slightest when rules are made to ban smoking. Too many smokers just don't seem to care how they affect those around them and their environment.

I say give 'em the hardest time you possibly can when they're behaving this way because they deserve it!

Just my $.02,

- JPB

g1iguy
May 08 2008, 11:58 PM
The news paper has moved the article to a different URL so here is the full article:

City to snuff out smoking in parks
New rules will go into effect as signs are posted at locations
JIM GAINES, The Daily News, [email protected]
Published: May 4, 2008
Over the course of this spring and summer, cigarettes will go out in Bowling Green city parks.

City Manager Kevin DeFebbo has issued a policy to eliminate smoking in almost all locations of the city�s park system. It will go into effect at individual parks, said Parks & Recreation Director Ernie Gouvas, as soon as signs announcing the change can be posted.

That will take awhile, but sooner or later most parks will only allow smoking in parking lots. DeFebbo said he still wanted to allow some space for smokers.

Smoking will still be permitted on the city�s three golf courses and in Fairview Cemetery, he said. Fountain Square will be smoke-free except for private rentals. There will be one designated smoking area in new Circus Square Park, to be chosen by the Downtown Redevelopment Authority, DeFebbo said.

�Probably all of this is evolutionary,� he said.

The policy won�t apply to sidewalks but will to shared-use trails, DeFebbo said.

�It covers Greenways, because those are linear parks,� he said.

While the �most egregious violations� will be liable to prosecution, in general the city expects to rely on smokers� politeness and peer pressure from nonsmoking park users to enforce the policy, rather than assigning already-busy employees to look for smokers, DeFebbo said.

�We�re not going to become �smoke police,� � he said.

If smokers refuse to comply, city employees can ask them to; and if that�s refused, police can be called, DeFebbo said.

Police Chief Doug Hawkins said that if stubborn smokers refuse to leave or put out what they�re smoking on city property, that could be grounds for charges of criminal trespass or disorderly conduct, both misdemeanors.

Smoking is already banned inside all city-owned buildings, and during last year�s debate over a city-wide ban on smoking inside private businesses, which failed, commissioners asked DeFebbo to put together a policy on smoking at parks, he said. To do so he talked with a �disparate group� of city employees, park board members, commissioners and the DRA, DeFebbo said.

�It took awhile to get this developed, because there were so many different interest groups,� he said.

The first signs should start going up in two weeks, Gouvas said.

�I�ve got 40 signs ordered right now,� he said.

The city has 26 parks, and signs will go up on all entrances, Gouvas said. Most of them say smoking is allowed in adjacent parking lots, but some small neighborhood parks like Ogden and Lee Square have no designated parking, he said. Signs for those locations just say they�re smoke-free facilities.

Another 30 signs have been ordered for the edges of parking lots, announcing that there�s no smoking beyond that point, Gouvas said.

The first signs will go up in places that will see heavy use soon, such as the Russell Sims Aquatic Center, he said. The smoking area which was near the pool�s concession area has been taken out, Gouvas said.

DRA Executive Director Cheryl Blaine said the Circus Square area will probably be away from the parking spots, since those are close to the park�s interactive fountain, which designers don�t want fouled with cigarette butts. The park is big enough to place the smoking area elsewhere, but the location hasn�t been decided, she said.

DeFebbo said he knows smoking is a �very visceral issue� with many people, but this is part of the city�s effort to protect public health and set an example for the many children who use public parks.

Gouvas said that while there are some safety concerns, such as the fire danger around playground wood mulch, the main thrust is toward promoting a healthy community.

�I think this is a way to get started on it,� he said.


Copyright 2008 News Publishing LLC (Bowling Green, KY)

JHBlader86
May 09 2008, 12:26 AM
Alot of disc golfers here in BG open drink and smoke weed. There is no way they're going to follow a sign, or give into pressure from non-smokers and the city police. I hate smoking, and I wish people didnt do this to their bodies, but we're reverting back to prohibition days ever so slowly, and the more we enforce rules that tell people how to live the more they'll resist. I believe this rule wont even be enforced. More of a symbollic gesture to show that the city is trying to move towards a healthier lifestyle. But if we wanted to be healthier we wouldnt be top ranked per capita of people to restraunts, and we wouldnt have so many McDonald's either.

May 09 2008, 04:04 AM
we're reverting back to prohibition days ever so slowly.



lololololololololololololol. i love to occasionally get on the forums and read the hilarious things you post. keep it up jd!

russellgore
May 09 2008, 08:43 AM
What kind of crap is this? Someone needs to tell the BG city council that they are only going to hurt there business. Every year 700 + people show up in BG for the Am nationals. I wouldn't hesitate to estimate that at least 25% of those people are smokers. Tell those 25% that they can't smoke and they will either not come to BG or just say "screw you" and smoke anyways. Now if that 25% does not show how much has the City lost in revenue? A bunch!!!!
As a Smoker I would like to say that this is getting way out of hand. If I am outside smoking and you are a NON SMOKER and YOU don't like it....."GO BACK INSIDE". You have already taken that from me how much more are you going to take? I DO NOT dispose of my Cigarettes on the ground. I field dress them and they go into my pocket or Disc Golf Bag until I find a trash can. Obviously everyone doesn't do this but that is not my fault. Don't take my rights away because of other Morons. Go after those who don't respect the earth. Ticket those who throw there butts out on the ground. I am also conscious about smoking in the vicinity of Non smokers. I keep my distance!! So why should I be punished?
I say this is a total "crock"! If this is the way things are going to be than I will just say Screw BG! I will not make a trip down there ever again. The CITY will never again see a single "DOLLAR" out of my pocket. The sad part of this is I not only play Disc Golf in the City of BG, but I also make about 10 trips a year for the purpose of Drag Racing @ Beech Bend Raceway. Guess thats all done now!!!!!!!!

WAY TO GO BG CITY COUNCIL!!!!! I HOPE YOU GO BANKRUPT!!!!!

Just $.02 from one very disgusted Disc Golfer and Drag Racer!

Would someone involved with Disc Golf in BG please forward this post to the City Council? I would like them to see that they are screwing with someone who makes multiple trips to there city and had even contemplated moving there at one point!! NOT NOW!!!!!

crotts
May 09 2008, 10:42 AM
wow Charlie, have a cigarette and calm down

: ) :

tiltedhalo
May 09 2008, 11:24 AM
I personally think this sounds like a great rule. As a non-smoker and someone whose allergies are bothered by smoke, it can be very distracting to have a smoker on the card -- no matter how much you try to stay downwind, breezes constantly change and it is impossible to avoid entirely.

And according to the article, smoking will still be allowed in parking lots -- this means that players at BG can still get in a cigarette before and after rounds for sure, and likely half-way through most rounds when the course loops back around near a parking lot. In fact, several of those courses have multiple parking lots, so there will be several chances for a smoke during a round if people are really desperate.

However, I just can't imagine how physically/socially disfunctional it must be to be [censored] off/angry because you can't smoke for a few hours. There are many other places you're not allowed to smoke -- airplanes come to mind at the top of that list -- and a lot of players fly to BG and have to manage to be smoke-free for several hours on the plane.

As far as banning smoking on the grounds of city parks, I don't think it will have any effect on BG attendance -- BG fills every year with a waiting list. If the most hardcore, highly-addicted chain-smokers decide to boycott the city, then that's not such a bad thing. It means people will either have to try to get a handle on their addiction, or will leave slots open for players with a little more self-control. The tourney will still fill -- the city will still get it's revenue -- and the rounds will be more enjoyable for the majority of people who don't smoke.

Props to the city of Bowling Green for being proactive in implementing parks policy that encourages public health.

seewhere
May 09 2008, 11:41 AM
sounds like more BS but I am happy to see this. if no drinking then no smoking.. now we need the PDGA to follow the citys lead

russellgore
May 09 2008, 11:59 AM
As NON SMOKERS you just don't get it. I am NOT a chain smoker nor do I mind being courteous. However it's getting out of hand that as a smoker my rights as an American citizen are being denied. As a NON SMOKER name one thing that has been taken away from you? I bet you can't name a thing. Let me remind all of you NON SMOKERS that Cigarettes ARE NOT ILLEGAL! So why do I have to worry about some jerk telling me I can't smoke here or there? Why should I have to worry about getting a ticket or citation because I am a smoker? If I am OUTDOORS than none of you should have a single gripe. ONCE AGAIN IF YOU DON'T LIKE SMOKE GO BACK INSIDE! You took that away from us and now you are taking away the outdoors. There is enough clean air in the world to minimize the smoke from a few cigarettes. If I can manage to stay healthy enough to play this sport and still smoke than there should not be any gripes!!!!!

LEAVE THE SMOKERS ALONE!!!!!!!!!
Besides I'd be willing to bet that half or more of you NON SMOKERS are drinkers. I'd also be willing to bet that your dumb(EXPLICIT)has drove home after having a few drinks. Somehow you still look at a smoker as the scum of the earth, yet you would put your life and others at jeopardy by driving home intoxicated!!!
SOME PEOPLE JUST DON"T MAKE ANY SENSE!!!!!!!

seewhere
May 09 2008, 12:00 PM
here's one alcohol....and most drink responsible and yes second hand smoke does cause cancer

as an american citizen I should be allowed to drink alcohol since it is legal in the park and I am over 21.

johnbiscoe
May 09 2008, 12:00 PM
i agree- as long as it's legal then issue tickets for littering rather than smoking. i am a non-smoker btw.

RhynoBoy
May 09 2008, 12:54 PM
As another non-smoker, I also think it sounds dumb. I think issuing littering tickets sounds like a better idea. As long as smoking cigarettes remains legal, we shouldn't be restricting it so much.

robertsummers
May 09 2008, 01:08 PM
But when you pass a law that makes it illegal. Drinking alcohol is legal for people over 21 but not for people in a park this is the same kind of law. I used to smoke and have NEVER had a problem with someone smoking on my card and never will, even after the law is passed. However some of you crack me up with this its my right to smoke in a public place. Well then don't the rest of us have the right to take our family to the park without cigarette butts on the ground and without the smell of cigarette smoke everywhere. I am not even saying that I totally agree with everything I just posted I am just pointing out that a lot of smokers put their rights in front of everyone elses the same as people leaving cans and bottles all over the course. ESPECIALLY the ones with places to put it every couple of holes.

go18under
May 09 2008, 01:40 PM
I've got to chime in on this one.......the Bowling Green Disc Golf Club supports the city's smoking ban decision and healthy lifestyles. I am a smoker and had to sit in that meeting biting my lip, because I knew it was coming years ago, I don't know why everybody seems so shocked. Even though I smoke, I support the ban of smoking in restaurants, and even public places such as parks where it might bother non- smokers.

The BG City Parks department is so into disc golf, recently saying they see the big picture in our sport, and don't want anything but top of the line baskets/tees/signs in their parks. They are even talking about a Disc Golf Club house near Hobson, and other parks they want to install disc courses on. These guys rock!!! We are lucky to have their support, and we need to support them on things like the smoking ban.

The biggest question was enforcement, and there will not be any unless someone complains, or doing it out in the open. In general, I don't think anything will change that much for smokers, as long as we are aware and make common sense decisions on the course. The city parks said they won't have "smoking police" out there looking for smokers, it's just good policy to have this ban in place.

The one thing that did bug me about that meeting, is that the only exception on the smoking ban was on the city "ball" golf courses......now that's BS.

Josh

topdog
May 09 2008, 01:55 PM
What kind of crap is this? Someone needs to tell the BG city council that they are only going to hurt there business. Every year 700 + people show up in BG for the Am nationals. I wouldn't hesitate to estimate that at least 25% of those people are smokers. Tell those 25% that they can't smoke and they will either not come to BG or just say "screw you" and smoke anyways. Now if that 25% does not show how much has the City lost in revenue? A bunch!!!!
As a Smoker I would like to say that this is getting way out of hand. If I am outside smoking and you are a NON SMOKER and YOU don't like it....."GO BACK INSIDE". You have already taken that from me how much more are you going to take? I DO NOT dispose of my Cigarettes on the ground. I field dress them and they go into my pocket or Disc Golf Bag until I find a trash can. Obviously everyone doesn't do this but that is not my fault. Don't take my rights away because of other Morons. Go after those who don't respect the earth. Ticket those who throw there butts out on the ground. I am also conscious about smoking in the vicinity of Non smokers. I keep my distance!! So why should I be punished?
I say this is a total "crock"! If this is the way things are going to be than I will just say Screw BG! I will not make a trip down there ever again. The CITY will never again see a single "DOLLAR" out of my pocket. The sad part of this is I not only play Disc Golf in the City of BG, but I also make about 10 trips a year for the purpose of Drag Racing @ Beech Bend Raceway. Guess thats all done now!!!!!!!!

WAY TO GO BG CITY COUNCIL!!!!! I HOPE YOU GO BANKRUPT!!!!!

Just $.02 from one very disgusted Disc Golfer and Drag Racer!

Would someone involved with Disc Golf in BG please forward this post to the City Council? I would like them to see that they are screwing with someone who makes multiple trips to there city and had even contemplated moving there at one point!! NOT NOW!!!!!




First off BG isnt the Am Nationals. Second off you dont want to ever come to Cali there are some cities here that this rule has been around for a couple years. You cant even smoke in bars here. Quit complaining it could be worse if you dont like it then dont go back.

JHBlader86
May 12 2008, 01:17 AM
If you can get a couple hundred signatures I'll send it in for you. I myself am split by the issue. I hate smoking, and am allergic, and understand the health issues but I support peoples rights to smoke, drink, or do whatever to their bodies. I think the people of BG should have taken a vote instead of just the council.

okcacehole
May 12 2008, 01:19 AM
next we can't smoke in an apartment since we are renters and don't own the place

Inside/Outside...

JHBlader86
May 12 2008, 02:03 AM
I wouldnt be surprised. They'll cite how many fires are started by cigaretts which is probably few and far between, but enough to scare the masses into complying.

russellgore
May 12 2008, 08:03 AM
Nope you can't burn anything down(according to the cigarette companies). Thats what the FSC is for on the side of your box. That means FIRE SAFE CIGARETTE. According to the companies they are using a new type of paper. I personally think they suck, the cherries fall off all the time, and as dumb as it sounds they taste like poop!!!

Now as far as what I originally wrote goes.........
After further thought WHO CARES!! Let the city act like retards! I will smoke when and where I feel. Cigarette smoking is not Illegal so let them think they can enforce this. Sooner or later someone is going to SUE them into bankruptcy. If they think they can enforce this crap than let em try! If I am outdoors smoking I'm pretty sure that anyone around me who does not like it will get over it. And if they don't than GO BACK INSIDE AND STAY THERE!!!!! The outside now belongs to the smokers. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

scoop
May 12 2008, 09:38 AM
I will smoke when and where I feel. Cigarette smoking is not Illegal so let them think they can enforce this. Sooner or later someone is going to SUE them into bankruptcy. If they think they can enforce this crap than let em try!



Uh huh. A lot of people thought the exact same thing about the government's ability to stop them from smoking in bars. I heard a lot of people say, "I'll just do it anyway. Let's see them try to stop me."

A $500 fine later, and they seem pretty well convinced.

I initially thought that BG enacted this because of the litter issue often associated with cigarettes. IN which case, more power to 'em.

But after reading that it was for "public health" and not to unduly "influence children" --- I call bunk, too.

NOTE TO GOVERNMENT: Quit trying to legislate morality.

tbender
May 12 2008, 09:38 AM
Um, the city owns the park. Therefore, they can set the rules of the park to legally ban smoking on the park grounds, just like a private business can do the same.

bruce_brakel
May 12 2008, 10:24 AM
Someone like CVP, if he is as agressive in person as he is on this thread, won't get ticketed for smoking. The cop will push his buttons until he's got him for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.

There's no Constitutional right to smoke, Charlie. If they can make attempted suicide illegal, they sure can ban smoking!

The only thing that I think is a crock about all this is that disc golf is being treated differently from ball golf.

go18under
May 12 2008, 12:23 PM
As long as we don't make a big deal about it, and use common sense, it won't be an issue. I don't agree with government regulations, but the smoking ban started many years ago, and will continue to expand until smokers get so [censored] off, they just quit, because it's not worth the hassle of trying to find a place to light up:)

War BG Ams sponsored by Joe Camel and Budweisser next year!!

spartan
May 12 2008, 02:37 PM
i heard all cars are banned from Bowling Green too. The trees are coughing up black **** and the squirrels are dying left and right from CO poisoning. I guess everyone will have to park their diesel trucks and SUVs outside the park to avoid the REAL pollution in the park.

I agree that the litter is aspect is very nasty and i hate to see litter on the course more than anything. I am a smoker.

JHBlader86
May 12 2008, 04:30 PM
Nope you can't burn anything down(according to the cigarette companies). Thats what the FSC is for on the side of your box. That means FIRE SAFE CIGARETTE. According to the companies they are using a new type of paper. I personally think they suck, the cherries fall off all the time, and as dumb as it sounds they taste like poop!!!

Now as far as what I originally wrote goes.........
After further thought WHO CARES!! Let the city act like retards! I will smoke when and where I feel. Cigarette smoking is not Illegal so let them think they can enforce this. Sooner or later someone is going to SUE them into bankruptcy. If they think they can enforce this crap than let em try! If I am outdoors smoking I'm pretty sure that anyone around me who does not like it will get over it. And if they don't than GO BACK INSIDE AND STAY THERE!!!!! The outside now belongs to the smokers. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!



A group of non-smokers can easily reverse that argument and tell you, a single smoker, that you should go inside because you shouldnt be harming the health of the group.

Cigarette smoking is a fine line because the civil liberties of smokers and non-smokers is in jeapordy. Governments, IMO, shouldnt regulate any of it. Both sides just need to agree to respect each others wishes. If someone smokes around me, I move, and when I'm riding with a smoker I politely ask them to roll the window down because of my allergies. It's really not hard at all, and most people generally comply so long as you do it with some manners.

Giles
May 12 2008, 04:53 PM
Thread drift.

I've smoked for 6 years, around a pack a day, up until last Tuesday. I haven't been able to put a decent round of golf together sense. It could be the fact that I'm drowning my tiny brain in beer, but that isn't a huge change and the no smoking is. Anyone else quit and have an adverse effect on ther game. Not that I was spectacular before...

bruce_brakel
May 12 2008, 05:20 PM
It's going to take some time. Nicotine has powerful effects on the brain. Nicotine withdrawal has its effects too. Put your health first and give your tiny brain some time to adjust.

Giles
May 12 2008, 05:29 PM
Health? I'm just trying to offset gas prices!