Has anyone else recieved a Prime Discs advertisement in the mail? Is every PDGA member getting these?

were/are you on marshall street's mailing list? if so, it's likely from there as prime is run by a former marshall street partner.

Nope, not that I can remember. Another local PDGA member got a Prime Discs advertisement in the mail and he does not remember ever buying from MSDG or being on the mailing list.

PDGA may have sold them your info. Under the "Other Income" entry on this document (http://www.pdga.com/org/documents/2008/08PDGABudget-Summary.pdf), the PDGA itemizes "mailing lists" as a source of income.

I have not received any ads.....

Maybe local only....

PDGA may have sold them your info. Under the "Other Income" entry on this document (http://www.pdga.com/org/documents/2008/08PDGABudget-Summary.pdf), the PDGA itemizes "mailing lists" as a source of income.



Ray- thank you!

My son (who isn't current) got one, but my wife and I didn't.

that's probably the result of some householding logic that consolidated your family so you wouldn't receive 3 pieces. members probably need not be current for the pdga to sell their info.

Maybe Prime Discs is targeting the younger, more hip, market. :D
Of course I got the mailing too. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Has anyone else recieved a Prime Discs advertisement in the mail? Is every PDGA member getting these?



When you join or renew your membership with the PDGA, you are asked the following question on your membership form:

PDGA Mailing List (required)
Select NO if you DO NOT want your name or contact information to appear on lists sold to discgolf related parties.
Yes
No


Prime Discs recently purchased the PDGA membership mailing list and received the names and addresses of all members that selected "YES" on their membership form. Any members wishing to change their member list status can simply call the office and we will gladly change it for you.

Regards,
Brian Graham
PDGA Executive Director

that's probably the result of some householding logic that consolidated your family so you wouldn't receive 3 pieces. members probably need not be current for the pdga to sell their info.



Considering he's 22 months old, it was a little weird.

That is a little weird. Thanks for the response, Brian. I figured it was something along those lines.

Brian,

Would you say its 'good' for the pdga for us to not opt out so there are more names on the list (i imagine the more names the more the list might be worth eh?)

Stack,

From the perspective of a retailer purchasing our mailing list, more names are better. We currently charge a small fee per name with a $50 minimum purchase for those wanting a more localized or regionalized list, while the entire list can be purchased for $500. Members who do not wish to receive mailings are not included on any of these lists.

Regards,
Brian Graham
PDGA Executive Director

That is funny I checked no and got one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzJvjFyDcA

are you really, REALLY sure you checked "No"?

Just out of curiousity Brian, as you go down the form, is the default for having your name sold yes or no. in other words if you miss it, or don't check the box to not sell your info, is the default to sell it? also i'm curious if that actually is stopping the names from being sold, as i KNOW i checked NO, yet still received emails and such.


BTW, i think it is an awful policy to sell names or info under any circumstances.

BTW, i think it is an awful policy to sell names or info under any circumstances.



So, the PDGA policy perfectly suits your opinion. You can opt out. They will not sell your name under any circumstances.

The flipside is that some people appreciate receiving information from retailers. The PDGA policy perfectly suits their opinion in that they can opt in.

BTW, i think it is an awful policy to sell names or info under any circumstances.



So, the PDGA policy perfectly suits your opinion. You can opt out. They will not sell your name under any circumstances.

The flipside is that some people appreciate receiving information from retailers. The PDGA policy perfectly suits their opinion in that they can opt in.




Pretty sure he said he checked the opt out box and still received the stuff.

The PDGA does not sell or release the e-mail addresses or telephone numbers of our members to anyone under any circumstance. We only sell the names and physical addresses of members who check "YES" on the membership form, which means they choose to receive mailings.

Regards,
Brian Graham
PDGA Executive Director

What ever.

"They will not sell your name under any circumstances."

my point is that
a. yes, you do give out the names under the circumstances of not opting out.
b. It is not a good privacy practice and can be prone to human error. Maybe some people do want offers. that's fine, go to company websites and sign up, you'll get plenty.

the pdga has no good reason to be involved in the distribution of member information under ANY circumstances. including opt-in. To use the excuse that some people want it and portray it as a BENEFIT is far-fetched. Spam is not a benefit. You may want to focus on other actual benefits, like providing members with discounts for car rental and hotels. Those are actual benefits and are a major step in the correct direction towards providing benefits to justify the increasing cost of membership. If some disc company wanted to get pdga members to shop with them, instead of email solicitations, why not offer 15% off of all disc purchaes for pdga members? i would consider this a much better pitch towards using them, AND a viable benefit for members.

Is it really a big deal that a disc golf company sent stuff in the mail?

this thread is highly offensive

Is it really a big deal that a disc golf company sent stuff in the mail?



It's a huge deal when there's nothing else to complain about.

Dick-

I don't think prime sent anyone spam email.

I got a physical postcard in the mail from Prime. If the PDGA gets $500 for buying a bulk mailing list, its not a big deal.

If I start getting so much disc golf related mail that it crams my mail box, I might drive to Georgia and do a Kramer vs. Pottery Barn and return all the mail, but that would take more than the one Prime Discs postcard I've gotten this year...

Is it really a big deal that a disc golf company sent stuff in the mail?



It's a huge deal when there's nothing else to complain about.



Bingo.

Is it really a big deal that a disc golf company sent stuff in the mail?



It's a huge deal when there's nothing else to complain about.



Bingo.



Seems to me from reading this DB that there's never a shortage of things to complain about.

Chap

FYI- PRIME has great deals!!

Who is PRIME selling that list to?

I didnt join the PDGA to get crap in the mail, disc golf related or not, nor would I appreciate them making money off of my information. I never got anything, so I mustve chosen the NO option. I do agree with Dick though, and it seems noone else does.

I would never sell our customer lists to anyone, disc golf or otherwise. Guess the PDGA doesnt make enough money as it is.

...also i'm curious if that actually is stopping the names from being sold, as i KNOW i checked NO, yet still received emails and such.



Have you ever been a TD of a PDGA event? If so, your phone number and email address are published in the magazine several times a year for all the world to use without paying the PDGA for the mailing list.

Next, have you ever made a purchase from Marshall Street? Have you ever used Marshall Street for online registration? Have you ever attended the MSDGC? Have you ever received an email from Marshall Street?

These are all ways that Prime Discs would have had access to your information.

fwiw - titleDISC does not now, nor will we ever sell our customer information. I'm not drawing a comparison, but this sort of thread will spark paranoia amongst online shoppers in our community so I wanted to be sure it's out there. I'm about 99% sure that *most* DG-related businesses keep their customer data private as well.

Neither the PDGA online registration service (PDGAsignup.com), nor PDGAstore.com releases customer contact information under any circumstance.

When you join or renew your membership with the PDGA, you are asked the following question on your membership form:

PDGA Mailing List: (required)
Select NO if you DO NOT want your name or contact information to appear on lists sold to discgolf related parties.
Yes
No

All members are given the choice whether they would like their mailing address made available to businesses wishing to purchase it. PDGA members wishing to change their member mail list status can easily do so by calling the office and informing us of your preference.

Regards,
Brian Graham
PDGA Executive Director

Which several membership organizations I have been a part have done as well.

And most online product registration sites.

PDGA members wishing to change their member mail list status can easily do so by calling the office and informing us of your preference.


how many calls so far today? :D

seriously though... is there a way we can double-check our opt-in status without flooding the PDGA offices with calls?

Just purchase a copy of the mailing list to send out postcards for your site. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

That is a good way to find out...... :)

PDGA members wishing to change their member mail list status can easily do so by calling the office and informing us of your preference.


how many calls so far today? :D

seriously though... is there a way we can double-check our opt-in status without flooding the PDGA offices with calls?



Joshua,

No calls today in regards to this subject. According to our records, you have opted out of allowing us to sell your mailing address so, "No mail for you!"

Regards,
Brian Graham
PDGA Executive Director

I'm liking the Seinfeld reference :). Now I don't have to worry about getting unwanted frolf-mail.

a User-maintainable online profile for each member might be worth looking into. Some place where members could verify this status along with other bits of info like address, phone number, etc... I dunno.