I know there was a thread about in the past, but I didn't have any luck finding it.

I was going through some CE discs today and came across a few CE Valyries that I could not place in a run.

I thought that the second run was the only run with translucent plastic.

They are semi translucent, but less so than a second run.
The edges are clean without the sharp sharl flasing of a second run.

The flight plane is flat, very similar to a second run.

Try this link

ce valks (http://www.discgolftrader.com/ce/ce_valk.htm)

WOW...I need to go change my pants....

I've been searching for a link like that about the runs of CE Valks for about 6 months now. thank you thank you thank you!!

Odd, I thought the blueberries were 1st run and that there were some in the first run yellow plastic.

The blueberries without the protostar stamp were the first valks.They were costom stamped or blank. Then protostar red,then CE stamped red.Then the red with the really sharp flashing. The gazelles and cheetahs with the protostar stamp were the very 1st CE discs.

Could someone point me to the blueberry on that page...I saw a few blue ones but I don't know...

Like a line and place # please?

From what I have been told and seen, none of those are a "blueberry". I could be mistaken. I was told one of mine was one, and it is nothing like those.

I agree in that none of those shown are the true 1st run blueberry's. The coloring is off plus they are all translucent. Translucent discs did not start until the 3rd run. Also and I have said this before, I have yet to see a true 1st run blueberry with the stock CE stamp. Remember there were only around 200 1st run blueberry's produced. Rhett has confirmed before that around 50 of them went to the SoCal championship (I may be mistaken on the exact #). There were aproximately 50 run with the Zonediven stamp (somewhere on this site I've uploaded a picture of mine a few years back). Another 50 or so with the proto stamp ( this information came from Innova ). Others I've seen had the icebowl stamp or other tournament stamps. The folks at Innova have no memory of stamping the blueberry's with the stock stamp. That should tell you something. Please don't be fooled just because a disc is blue, listed as a 1st run and may have some flashing. I've picked up champion plastic at the factory that had flashing.

There is also a mistake with labeling the USDGC CE valks as 1st run. They were either 2nd or 3rd runs for a very simple reason. They are all white or yellow dyed discs.

Rickb is right,none of them are first run(blueberries).They are 2nd run purple valks.

I'll see if I can get a picture of mine and get it up on here. It came out of the same box as the other CE I bought that day (all that slick red color, one Valk, one Firebird and one Eagle), all felt the same and had the same flashing including the blue. The person selling them (Tony J. Chain Reaction Disc Golf) just got in the 'new' CE plastic, and we were the first to go through the box on a Saturday morning before fall or winter league that day. I think there were only two or three blue (all valks) in the box. Everything else was red, either Valks, Eagles, or Firebirds. Of the blue, I bought one and Eric 'EP' Paulson got the rest if I remember correctly.

I remember thinking they were expensive at the time as they were $15 each. Didn't like them much either as they seemed slick, especially in the cold.

Any of you Valk fiends know if gummy 150-class CE Valks are rare? I've got one at home - its translucent, yellow, rainbow stamp, 153 grams...judging from the pics in that link above, I'm guessing its 5th run.

Thanks!

I heard one way to tell is the VK written on the back is outside the circle on the 1st runs and only the weight is in the circle in much bigger writing than the later runs.

RIck,

I have heard the same story about the blueberry that you have told, but one thing that you have said about the transluclent is a little off. I have a first run red, stockstamp, at 163g. It is translucent, not by much but some. Some people call them the JOLLY RANCHER, because of the rich red coloring. It came from INNOVA headquarters in California from the man himself when he was in Texas in 2000.

I was also told that red, white and yellow were the only colors for 2nd runs and then the 3rd run and 4th runs were the 'pastel' colors.

The VK written on the outside of the ring holds true for 1st runs and part way through the 2nd runs.

2nd runs were also available in in blue. I've got a new computer and haven't transfered my pictures yet but as soon as I do I'll post some.

As for a "jolly rancher", I have to be honest in I've never heard this term. Lighter weights seemed to be a little clearer in the 1st runs due to the smaller amout of weighting agent used. And I'm not trying to say that there isn't one out there. But of all the 1st runs I've bought, traded or sold either through my personal collection or through my store I have never seen a clear translucent 1st run of any model. If you look at the pictures on the discgolftrader site and go through the models, you will notice that they all look the same through the 1st and 2nd runs. They are all opaque. There are some that are labeled wrong though like the 1st run blueberrys and some of the 2nd run Teebirds in the weird colors. If you look at the "blueberrys" they have listed those are the discs I call translucent. Very easy to see through them. The lighter weight 1st runs were still opaque but you could make out shapes that were held up to the other side of the flight plate.

The lighter weight 1st runs were still opaque but you could make out shapes that were held up to the other side of the flight plate.




That is a great discription of the one that I have. Just a rich rich red color.

My definition of transparent is see-through (you can see shapes of objects through the disc).
Translucent means that some light passes through, but you can't really see shapes through the plastic.

I was given a blueberry by someone that should know, but it does not look anything like the blue first runs listed on the site. Shouldn't the first runs be opaque ?

I have 3 (2 used and 1 brand new) of what I have been told were the true first run blue "Hero Disc" stamped valks for the 2001 world games. They are radically different than any other ce valk (I have several) in that they are the least stable driver I have ever thrown. If any one is interested an these they can pm me

My definition of transparent is see-through (you can see shapes of objects through the disc).
Translucent means that some light passes through, but you can't really see shapes through the plastic.

I was given a blueberry by someone that should know, but it does not look anything like the blue first runs listed on the site. Shouldn't the first runs be opaque ?



There were transparent/translucent red and blue in the first run. The discs were almost all lighter weights; ie 155 - 164. Most were blueberry color. A few were cherry. When weighting agent was used, the color got whitened and cloudy.

These were among the first Valks made in candy. Many of these had pits along the rim as the material was improperly dried, and all had flashing.

Thanks for the clarification.

Here are some pictures of the blueberry valk I have. Well, make that links as I seem to be having problems getting images to come up here.

Blueberry Valk (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMQ6lo6Wavfl*F7MlePlsnuHvAcXTVkSZTA3s12hOs eCzlguRD7TwowDAazNCGFjRRXn5hAuNPC3aB1v7TYtb7w*/P1000265.JPG)

If you look in the light reflection area, you'll note an effect that looks like an old vinyl record. You can't feel it, but you can definitley see it on the top and bottom when the disc is held to reflect light. I don't see this effect on any newer runs of CE.

Blueberry next to a 2nd or third run pink vs. the newer clear CE that you can see through

3 CE Discs (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMSaptYHTcPMoap0daKxlODVUJd3IYPaxbZgFF5SCz cQYXul5dpJCd8qJ2jacfmzDNf9TLbF0jPngkUZ5h*lLaZn/P1000261.JPG)


Transparency difference between early CE and newer CE

Old vs. Newer CE (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMTsH-Lic2vgAnUYR2BrWF6nrO4kjfb8UBU4SbHCUh5oBmKX1BrYLP-KFcUOGVicrpv-ALk*UwkrF2a48SWxZF3O/P1000262.JPG)

Bottom Marking

Bottom (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMQ-xnNMZUh1DNJR7OJiNYhDGHjPv6lR-cT3wkcA8zto9UHWB9voZeDKoVIAc0ZjjKurA4cn*lfCwIihkxE yB9wA/P1000266.JPG)

Transparency when tight against a surface

Upside Down (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMS9*5S-mhvn6X-4tbVqEv0OOtGqdOAMJzJptfvauInQ*Ms4lebb6COlj8dZB9QjC 1KR7k3iaRJJLFNcUDOiT6LN/P1000267.JPG)


Flashing
Flashing (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMQ7ZB62e2jlhQLge05Arn2Tka5-g24qFmL7OEfuHQkJLPuw8rMsVLh2NUPQzJI0fiwIJ1rfYPPYz* 3-ikPzdqEp/P1000270.JPG)


Hope this all helps out.

I've got 3 CE Valks from the Players packages of the 1st USDGC. They are dyed with the USDGC logo. Any idea what run?
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Ive got one of the CE valks from the USDGC that are dyed with the logo and I was told they are a first run. But thats just word of mouth but im not real sure.

I've got 3 CE Valks from the Players packages of the 1st USDGC. They are dyed with the USDGC logo. Any idea what run?
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The CE Valks from the 2001 USDGC players packs were either 2nd or 3rd runs. Dave D. has already established that the 1st run CE valks were either red or the blueberry. All of the dyed 01 USDGC CE valks were white or yellow.

Here are some pictures of the blueberry valk I have. Well, make that links as I seem to be having problems getting images to come up here.

Blueberry Valk (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMQ6lo6Wavfl*F7MlePlsnuHvAcXTVkSZTA3s12hOs eCzlguRD7TwowDAazNCGFjRRXn5hAuNPC3aB1v7TYtb7w*/P1000265.JPG)

If you look in the light reflection area, you'll note an effect that looks like an old vinyl record. You can't feel it, but you can definitley see it on the top and bottom when the disc is held to reflect light. I don't see this effect on any newer runs of CE.

Blueberry next to a 2nd or third run pink vs. the newer clear CE that you can see through

3 CE Discs (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMSaptYHTcPMoap0daKxlODVUJd3IYPaxbZgFF5SCz cQYXul5dpJCd8qJ2jacfmzDNf9TLbF0jPngkUZ5h*lLaZn/P1000261.JPG)


Transparency difference between early CE and newer CE

Old vs. Newer CE (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMTsH-Lic2vgAnUYR2BrWF6nrO4kjfb8UBU4SbHCUh5oBmKX1BrYLP-KFcUOGVicrpv-ALk*UwkrF2a48SWxZF3O/P1000262.JPG)

Bottom Marking

Bottom (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMQ-xnNMZUh1DNJR7OJiNYhDGHjPv6lR-cT3wkcA8zto9UHWB9voZeDKoVIAc0ZjjKurA4cn*lfCwIihkxE yB9wA/P1000266.JPG)

Transparency when tight against a surface

Upside Down (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMS9*5S-mhvn6X-4tbVqEv0OOtGqdOAMJzJptfvauInQ*Ms4lebb6COlj8dZB9QjC 1KR7k3iaRJJLFNcUDOiT6LN/P1000267.JPG)


Flashing
Flashing (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMQ7ZB62e2jlhQLge05Arn2Tka5-g24qFmL7OEfuHQkJLPuw8rMsVLh2NUPQzJI0fiwIJ1rfYPPYz* 3-ikPzdqEp/P1000270.JPG)


Hope this all helps out.



In all honesty I don't believe this is a true 1st run Blueberry CE Valkyrie. The coloring is off. It's alot lighter shade of blue than the 1st runs I have. It's been stated before that the VK outside of the circle was done both during the 1st run and halfway through the 2nd run. Same is true concerning flashing. Flashing is not a way to tell runs. I have a Champion Wraith with flashing.

The final reason I say this is the stamp. If you go back and read my previous post about the 200 that were run and the stamps that were made available. I've done alot of research on the blueberrys. I've spent alot of time at Innova east where they stamp the discs and once again no one remembers ever stamping the blueberrys with the stock stamp.

I hope Dave D. is reading this and clear this up but if I remember right the blueberrys and proto reds were run at the same time. I've also been told that when they were run Innova had yet to decide on the stock CE stamp. hence they got the SoCall tourney stamp, zonedriven stamp, icebowl stamp etc...

Here is a pic of my Zonedriven blueberry. The sticker on the backside that you can make out is the Zonedriven 1st run CE Valk sticker. This is the same color as my other 2 blueberrys. 1 from the socal championship and another from the 01 icebowl that I bought from the guy at Innova that does all of the stamping.


http://i17.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/ed/72/b852_1.JPG

Here are some pictures of the blueberry valk I have. Well, make that links as I seem to be having problems getting images to come up here.

Blueberry Valk (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMQ6lo6Wavfl*F7MlePlsnuHvAcXTVkSZTA3s12hOs eCzlguRD7TwowDAazNCGFjRRXn5hAuNPC3aB1v7TYtb7w*/P1000265.JPG)

If you look in the light reflection area, you'll note an effect that looks like an old vinyl record. You can't feel it, but you can definitley see it on the top and bottom when the disc is held to reflect light. I don't see this effect on any newer runs of CE.

Blueberry next to a 2nd or third run pink vs. the newer clear CE that you can see through

3 CE Discs (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMSaptYHTcPMoap0daKxlODVUJd3IYPaxbZgFF5SCz cQYXul5dpJCd8qJ2jacfmzDNf9TLbF0jPngkUZ5h*lLaZn/P1000261.JPG)


Transparency difference between early CE and newer CE

Old vs. Newer CE (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMTsH-Lic2vgAnUYR2BrWF6nrO4kjfb8UBU4SbHCUh5oBmKX1BrYLP-KFcUOGVicrpv-ALk*UwkrF2a48SWxZF3O/P1000262.JPG)

Bottom Marking

Bottom (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMQ-xnNMZUh1DNJR7OJiNYhDGHjPv6lR-cT3wkcA8zto9UHWB9voZeDKoVIAc0ZjjKurA4cn*lfCwIihkxE yB9wA/P1000266.JPG)

Transparency when tight against a surface

Upside Down (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMS9*5S-mhvn6X-4tbVqEv0OOtGqdOAMJzJptfvauInQ*Ms4lebb6COlj8dZB9QjC 1KR7k3iaRJJLFNcUDOiT6LN/P1000267.JPG)


Flashing
Flashing (http://api.ning.com/files/HJit2lnAmMQ7ZB62e2jlhQLge05Arn2Tka5-g24qFmL7OEfuHQkJLPuw8rMsVLh2NUPQzJI0fiwIJ1rfYPPYz* 3-ikPzdqEp/P1000270.JPG)


Hope this all helps out.



In all honesty I don't believe this is a true 1st run Blueberry CE Valkyrie. The coloring is off. It's alot lighter shade of blue than the 1st runs I have. It's been stated before that the VK outside of the circle was done both during the 1st run and halfway through the 2nd run. Same is true concerning flashing. Flashing is not a way to tell runs. I have a Champion Wraith with flashing.

The final reason I say this is the stamp. If you go back and read my previous post about the 200 that were run and the stamps that were made available. I've done alot of research on the blueberrys. I've spent alot of time at Innova east where they stamp the discs and once again no one remembers ever stamping the blueberrys with the stock stamp.

I hope Dave D. is reading this and clear this up but if I remember right the blueberrys and proto reds were run at the same time. I've also been told that when they were run Innova had yet to decide on the stock CE stamp. hence they got the SoCall tourney stamp, zonedriven stamp, icebowl stamp etc...



It looks exactly like the Zone Driven one directly below your post. I also don't think that blue color was in the second run. Of course, this all depends on what one calls 'first run' (proto? First full production run?). All I can state for certain is that it was in the same shipment as all of the candy red CE discs that the local seller got in. All (red and blue) had the same Champion stamp, and the shipment included Valks, Firebirds and Eagles. Has the same 'record groove' marks as all the red CE did. Its not at all like the 'pastels' run (pink in the pictures) in regards to flashing or surface reflection. Was sold to us on a Saturday morning of Winter league, probably late November or early December 2000. Definitely wasn't 2001 as I moved in November of that year and my old number is on the disc.

Man.. I saw the name rickb and I thought to myself "Rick Bannister?" I knew I was about to get myself banned for life with what I was about to type. I can't call him a device for vaginal irrigation. Luckily it wasn't the infamous "Rick Danger". I would have dropped the D bomb.

Well maybe not exactly like the Zone Driven one as I don't notice the 'record groove' feature on the Zone Driven and the Zone Driven one looks a bit more transparent.

what year did ce stop being used? '03?

Any ideas on run info for this one...
CE Valk (http://picasaweb.google.com/JJOrr7/OnlineDiscs/photo#5198082951473241858)

Opaque, but can see slight movement behind the disc, looks to be factory dyed, weight and VK written in circle.
Thoughts?

I've got a blue one that I believe is a first run that has a rainbow metallic stamp AND a Bowling Green 2001 stamp on it. I don't have a picture handy, but will try to post one later... anyone else have a BG stamp on one of their early CE valks?

I've got a blue one that I believe is a first run that has a rainbow metallic stamp AND a Bowling Green 2001 stamp on it. I don't have a picture handy, but will try to post one later... anyone else have a BG stamp on one of their early CE valks?


I've got a 01 BG Valk as well, those are 2nd Run's. Is it a lighter color blue, very flat & pronounced nipple in the center that you can feel on top of the flight plate?