The SC Qualifier at Crestwood Country Club
Sunday June 1st 2008
C Tier, SCDGO Points event

The SC USDGC spot is up for grabs to all current 2008 residents of the great state of South Carolina.

2 rounds at this sweet ball golf course located:
Crestwood Country Club
6505 Carolina HWY
Denmark,SC 29042
Phone: (803) 793-0108 Course Phone

TD is Jonas Card
843-819-6126
All Open $45, All advanced $35, all intermediate $25
Make checks payable to Jonas Card, 1128 Shoreham Rd, Charleston SC 29412

Practice rounds can be played anytime the course is open, call for hours, for $6 all day and $5 per round cart fee. No carts Sunday during competition.

Players meeting at 0930, tee off at 10:00 AM first round

I definately like the Sunday only event. I should be able to make it. Good work Jonas.

this just in... BigJerm just moved to SC! ;)

I plan to be there! Would like to make it for a practice round on of these weekends but with wedding and honeymoon in the month of May it's not looking promising!

I'm all in for some Ball golf course action!

News alert: I have lived in Rock Hill since February.

Wish I could make this one. Playing some golf all weekend in myrtle beach.

Peckham, considering yourself a South Carolinian these days!? NICE!

(word on the street is that I hold the course record out there at 50.) Very beatable...

how far is this place from Rock Hill?

about 2 hrs max. (45 min. south of columbia, down I-26)

thanks tradd. i'm considering it since i also live in rock hill now.

I can't wait to play some ball golf course action! Prepping now to GRIP IT AND RIP IT!!!

I have heard they have even moved some tees back... it is gonna be SWEET

I moved them back. We have a diamond in the rough if there ever was one at this course. We have 2 par 5's now over 850 with some OB. It is tough but very fair. Skipper is marking up the short pads to be used for Intermediates and Advanced Women. Distances and scorecard will be ready in a couple days.

The Official Flyer (http://scdgo.net/2008_sc_qualifier_flyer.pdf) is posted. Let me know if you have any questions.

850!!??!!??!! there is no sense in that! You just throw and throw and throw and you're there. Most people in the same division won't differ too much from card to card on holes like that unless it's USDGC type OB. 600 ft hole is good...anything over that is CRAZZZZYYYY~...BUTTTT I can say that the long holes at IDGC South course are very very very stupid!

chill, mike. an 850 foot hole is begging to be 3d. with OB in play, that could fluctuate scores a bit. I am ready for it. I love me some ball golf disc golf. Tupelo baby!

This will be a pleasant change of pace from pitch 'n putt courses in South Carolina like Earlewood and Timmons. Thanks too Jonas for making this a one day event. :)

850!!??!!??!! there is no sense in that! You just throw and throw and throw and you're there. Most people in the same division won't differ too much from card to card on holes like that unless it's USDGC type OB. 600 ft hole is good...anything over that is CRAZZZZYYYY~...BUTTTT I can say that the long holes at IDGC South course are very very very stupid!



I dunno....Holes at Still Waters Farm were long, one much longer than 850', and I and my weenie arm loved them. Then again, I like the Jackson course at IDGC more than the Headrick course. A departure from the mindset that every hole should be reachable.

Now, an 850, wide open, no OB hole would be boring, but if it's long AND a fairway management hole, it can be great.

If you don't like the aspect of par 4's and 5's you probably won't like the course. All distances are not finalized yet, but are close.

1 450 par 3 shorties 350
2 540 par 4 shorties 480
3 345 par 3 shorties 345
4 465 par 4 shorties 415
5 136 par 3 shorties 136
6 850 par 5 shorties 644
7 187 par 3 shorties 187
8 205 par 3 shorties 205
9 251 par 3 shorties 251
10 644 par 4 shorties 450
11 373 par 3 shorties 320
12 285 par 3 shorties 285
13 872 par 5 shorties 620
14 552 par 4 shorties 450
15 295 par 3 shorties 295
16 604 par 4 shorties 411
17 471 par 3 shorties 471
18 615 par 4 shorties 420
Par 64

Both long and short play to the same par. I worked with some of South Carolina sweetest ladies to set the short tees to a distance that would play like the long tees but be fair for the shorter arms. The par 5's out here have OB that comes into play and require 2 awesome shots to give you a putt at the eagle. We had a group come out and play the holes and there was plenty of score variance. Hole 17 is more like a par 4 because of the trees that come into play in the fairway and the pond behind the basket and is a tough one for Intermediates and Advanced Women who will play the short tees. There is water, OB ditches, roads, greens, bunkers and some roped off areas.

It is not Govan, but it is the Govan baskets and I think it is pretty sweet. I hope everyone will come out and support the event. Come out Sat for doubles in carts, or walk. Gene sells a 6 pack for 6 bucks.

Good design. 4 of the last 6 holes are Par 4. This is most excellent, says Mr. Withers.

Looks like a great mix of lengths. 8140' might make it the longest course in SC (or at least a contender).

Do any of these require clearing OB and if so, what distances?

18 goes over a pond, 250-270ish to clear, maybe less, with a drop zone, it is not bad. A couple holes play over or near OB ditches. Some of the holes have nice doglegs. I am putting together a Google Earth map that will help.

Wouldn't Winthrop Gold be about the longest in SC? At a hogs hair shy or long of 10000 feet.

18 sounds like a roller off the tee. At least I'll have to try it.

Wouldn't Winthrop Gold be about the longest in SC? At a hogs hair shy or long of 10000 feet.



I stand corrected.....which is why I included the disclaimer ("(or at least a contender)"). I've reached an age where I've been wrong enough times to be unsure of being right all the time. But they still let me on the discussion board.

and just to be clear us NC'ers can come down and play it like a normal tourney eh?

I'm thinking of taking a road trip down there this weekend for practice, keep the pressure off my Clash practice.

This is a standard C tier offering all divisions. We just have a special prize for some lucky SC resident.

Course is open for practice any time. This link (http://golf.discoversouthcarolina.com/destinations-regions/course/2868.aspx) is to the Golf Course. It has directions, address, phone and a little history about the Golf course.

No tee times required to practice, NC'ers are welcome.

David, you must be the only person out there who enjoys the Jackson course. I have to say that is probably in my bottom 3 of worse courses ever designed as it is laid out now. It will be MUCH better once they clear out another 1000 trees that are scattered amungst the fairways!!! IN THE FAIRWAYS

Apparently I am. It was the Headrick course for which I griped about trees in the fairway. I don't recall them on the Jackson course---just very long holes with fairway management issues: you don't just have to hit the fairway, but it matters where in the fairway you land to line up your next shot.

Anyway, let's see what our friends have created in Denmark before criticizing. I hear high praise from those who have seen it.

I agree with David, The Jackson course is much better than Hedrick...but this about Denmark! Can't wait to see it. Wife's relatives live in Gaston which is on the way. That way I can drop off the family, get some golf in, and then breeze through on the way home and only have to spend a limited amount of time with inlaws.

I also agree with David and Chris!! I think the Headrick coud be alot better because a good shot in the fairway could leave you no shot at all. But this is about Denmark and it looks like you have the perfect day planned out Chris LOL. Limited time with the inlaws...whats better!!

Headrick is challenging, but you can score well... Hole 4 is the one I grumble most about. Jackson is a very challenging course, much like Renny, there's almost no place to let your guard down out there. It's all tough.

I am hoping to get down to Denmark on Sunday. If any Rock Hill/Charlotte area folks are interested in making the trip, PM me.

Just saw the course map. looks sweet with lots of variety. Want to try to get down there this Sunday. Who's with me???

how do I find the course map?

work for innova ;)

Crestwood Map (http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/h/charlestondiscgolf/crestwood.jpg)

Well, when I played Jackson for the April IDGC monthly I landed in the Fairway 80% of the time and of those 80% fairway shots I either had a tree directly in front of me, a stump that my disc was laying in front of, or a tree not far from me directly in the line of my shot! Play the courses now and you'll see what I'm talking about. Headrick has thinned out a TON since last year and is MUCH easier due to length and not so much CRAP in the fairways.

On the other note, I'm sure that Denmark will be SWEET and well groomed!

Looks like I don't need to play this tournament now that I got my spot in Charlotte. But I want to come down and play the course. Is this a permanent course?

I'm probably going to Asheville because I love the way they put on a tournament. I have missed it the past 2-3 years and want to get there again.

If anyone up my way wants to head down to play, just give me a PM.

Matt - yes, the disc golf course on the Crestwood Golf Course in Denmark is a permanent course. It is open every day. Check out the Course Directory for details. I'm not sure how terrific the maps are, but I'm pretty sure they have some at the pro shop.

I got to play it last Thurs when I was working in Orangeburg and it was almost a straight shot about 20 minutes from Edisto Gardens. The guy in the shop was really nice and made it a point to give me a map and showed me where each tee and basket was. I do not know if they have a lot of ball golfers normally, but there were only 2 guys playing that afternoon so I got to take my time and not be rushed or be in anyone's way. I recommend renting a cart if it is hot and humid.

Funny you should mention cowbell Craig ... Coleman just got a real nice (i.e., loud) one. Its for the girl singer in the band. (Put it on your calendar now, July 4 ... "Bobstock" !!)

Not trying to stir the pot here, but the USDGC is in our home state.

Which begs the question, in my mind: Why isn't the qualifier at THE course for THE tournament we're trying to qualify for? Shouldn't the State Rep be the player who can best represent the state on that course?

DISCLAIMER: I'm not even attending the qualifier, so my point is neither beneficial to me nor is it really important ;)

I'm just curious as to the reasoning.

my guess would be that the course is not set up until a couple of weeks before the USDGC, you wanna wait that long to find out who the SC rep is??

i've brought up using winthrop for us up this way as well and have heard that they dont want to lessen the impact USDGC has by allowing other events on that course. Dont know how much truth is to that or not. I'd assume it wouldn't be as 'fair' for those like you on the other side of the state... but ITS WINTHROP right?

side note... we are having the US Doubles Championship the week before USDGC this year and we're using winthrop so maybe times are changin? (Ho's Nest, Renny, Winthrop... what a combination!?)

Among other things, the S.C. Qualifier is being used to highlight & boost new and/or private courses---as it will this year to bring attention to Crestwood in Denmark. Last year it was on a temporary layout of a proposed course, the year before at the private Still Waters Farm in Govan.

It would be an enormous undertaking to set up Winthrop in its USDGC configuration for the S.C. Qualifier.

I'm not talking about putting the ropes up as the Gold course is, but having the qualifier at Winthrop lakefront or a mixed layout of lakefront and Gold (albeit without ropes) would be cool.

I think it would put a sense respect and confidence in the winner, when the time comes, to perform well at Winthrop again at the USDGC.

Don't get me wrong. I think if the qualifier was to be at a different course other than Winthrop, then DENMARK is a great one. It's open and long for the most part, just like Winthrop.

It also doesn't give any "local advantage" to anyone, as would be the case if it were held at Trophy, Earlewood, Chapin, or Timmons.

$.02

Hey, I'd love to see a tournament on the Lakefront course---just so duffers like myself could play Winthrop.

There are merits to what you say, but also to Harold's use of the qualifier as a promoter of courses. I do prefer that it be held on more challenging courses, as opposed to birdie courses like Earlewood, as they are more like the USDGC course. Looks as if Denmark fits that bill.

Disclaimer: we have asked for consideration to host next year's qualifier at Stoney Hill, so admit to a bias towards the current system.

Tradd ... you can qualify at Winthrop, on the Gold course ... just show up at Monday qualifying.

That said, I agree that Denmark comes the closest of any permanent SC course to challenging the attributes that are required and rewarded at Winthrop.

But Stoney Hill is an excellent challenge too. Actually I like it better than either of the other two courses! (I lack the cannon arm required to get into trouble and/or reap the big rewards on Denmark and Winthrop. If you just keep throwing it short but straight down the middle on those big open courses, you just don't quite have as much fun as you do at Stoney Hill, where the course challenges all the golf skills!)

There are no locals in Denmark

I tried to pitch the idea of a points series qualification to the state coordinator. But short of that I think rotating the course used for qualifying is best.

This course has similar demands to Winthrop. But there is only one, and this isn't it.

I support a points qualification because it makes the top person travel to events around the state. This helps support all the SC events leading into the cut off. When I see events like O'burg and Seneca only get 30 people or less, this is a problem that needs to be fixed. Too much effort goes into running an event for it to go to waste. Earlwood always fills up with out of state players and then lots of other events get nothing. We need to do better about supporting each other within our great state. The SC bid should be rewarded to someone who supports DG in South Carolina. Not some "user" who shows up for one event. Maybe that deserving person isn't the "best" but they would have my respect.

There are no locals in Denmark

I tried to pitch the idea of a points series qualification to the state coordinator. But short of that I think rotating the course used for qualifying is best.

This course has similar demands to Winthrop. But there is only one, and this isn't it.

I support a points qualification because it makes the top person travel to events around the state. This helps support all the SC events leading into the cut off. When I see events like O'burg and Seneca only get 30 people or less, this is a problem that needs to be fixed. Too much effort goes into running an event for it to go to waste. Earlwood always fills up with out of state players and then lots of other events get nothing. We need to do better about supporting each other within our great state. The SC bid should be rewarded to someone who supports DG in South Carolina. Not some "user" who shows up for one event. Maybe that deserving person isn't the "best" but they would have my respect.



some good points Jonas... and would you then open up the SC points series USDGC spot to anyone (like we do in NC?) that would also probably drive up the attendance @ events.

There are no locals in Denmark

I tried to pitch the idea of a points series qualification to the state coordinator. But short of that I think rotating the course used for qualifying is best.

This course has similar demands to Winthrop. But there is only one, and this isn't it.

I support a points qualification because it makes the top person travel to events around the state. This helps support all the SC events leading into the cut off. When I see events like O'burg and Seneca only get 30 people or less, this is a problem that needs to be fixed. Too much effort goes into running an event for it to go to waste. Earlwood always fills up with out of state players and then lots of other events get nothing. We need to do better about supporting each other within our great state. The SC bid should be rewarded to someone who supports DG in South Carolina. Not some "user" who shows up for one event. Maybe that deserving person isn't the "best" but they would have my respect.



some good points Jonas... and would you then open up the SC points series USDGC spot to anyone (like we do in NC?) that would also probably drive up the attendance @ events.



Second that, especially since the majority of SC events are closer for the QC guys and gals.

The devil's in the details.

Possible drawbacks to a points system would be that, if it includes all S.C. tournaments as the SCDGO points system does, players who can't commit to playing a large schedule are excluded from the beginning. There is the danger that, after a few tournaments, only a handful of players have a realistic shot (as happens with South Carolina points), so it only increases attendance by a handful at subsequent tournaments. We'd have to decide how to handle fall tournaments, since they'd be too late....unless their points apply to the following year.

We could also have a limited series----say 4 or 6 events----with the difficulty of choosing which events. Multiplies the current problem of choosing just one event.

How is it done in North Carolina, and how do these issues play out?

As for out-of-state players qualifying....I have the impression that the whole point of having state qualifiers is an attempt to have a player from every state at the USDGC. Of course, I could be wrong---it could be to make a chance available in every state.

Meanwhile......

Thanks to Jonas for running TWO events in a 4-week period---one on a private course (no Parks Dept. to help with preparation), and another many miles from his home.

How is it done in North Carolina, and how do these issues play out?

As for out-of-state players qualifying....I have the impression that the whole point of having state qualifiers is an attempt to have a player from every state at the USDGC. Of course, I could be wrong---it could be to make a chance available in every state.




http://www.ncdiscgolf.com/

and I've heard of some states that let anyone go for a spot and others that only allow in-state guys.

ultimately its supposed to be up to the state rep. For instance if Washington has a spot and the state rep finds out that nobody can make it to Rock Hill then they could give it to pretty much whoever they wanted (might even be able to sell it on ebay but I doubt that or we might've seen it by now)

There are no locals in Denmark
This course has similar demands to Winthrop. But there is only one, and this isn't it.



Jonas, I think you misread my post. You are actually agreeing with me by saying there are "no locals" in Denmark. (That is a strength to holding it there, in my opinion) You also agreed with me on the "similar demands" comment.

Again, I'm not trying to stir the pot. I'd like to think that if the MASTER's had a rep from every state, that Georgia would probably hold their qualifier at Augusta National...

Here is a link to Paypal for the event: Paypal for Crestwood (http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/h/charlestondiscgolf/2008%20Crestwood%20Paypal.htm)

I supposedly set a new Blue course record out there today, 56. Also shot a 58 the second round, not a bad day. It was 10 - 20 mph winds and we played the new tees for the qualifier. The Par 64 layout is pretty sweet, the front nine may be a tad easier than the back. The last 5 holes are probably the best on the course, with 18 over the pond as a highlight. needs a little trimming of low branches and cleaning up some lines, especially the double mando hole 2. You could throw a perfect turnover though the Y, tip leaves and hyzer.

Cool course though and i love the long bomb par 3 holes, lots of righty hyzers. Too bad i don't live in SC. :p

I'm sure someone will shoot in the lower 50's next week!

Excellent shooting!

Skipper trimmed up the double mando and several other areas last night. The course will be primped for the event. FYI to anyone who plays out there: all ditches are OB. They are sometimes filled with water. Marking them all is a bit daunting, but we will find a way.

I see that you mention blue tees...are there two sets of tees? On Jonas' map, it only looks like four tees were changed from the layout we played in January (holes 4, 6, 13, 18).

Looks like it's playing 3-3.5 strokes harder than the previous layout. I think my 50 is still safe :)

There are a couple more changes from when you played it. It is looking great. Measured up to the foot over the last weekend. We will be playing doubles Sat afternoon starting around 4 PM for anyone interested.

What is the best way to go to the course from Columbia and how long should it take to get there (1 hour maybe)? 321 looks like you drive through small towns but looks shorter. I have been there once from Charleston and went to Orangeburg and past Edisto Gardens and took 70 to Denmark.

It's all a matter of how fast you want to drive.

Assuming that speed limits will be observed, 321 does go directly there, but you will have to slow down when you go through each of the towns. Taking the interstate to Orangeburg allows you to drive faster, but it also adds about 10 miles to the trip.
Time-wise I would say it's the same.

Personally, I'm planning to take 321 and enjoy a leisurely stroll through backwoods SC.

4. Take the exit onto I-26 E toward Charleston 37.5 mi
5. Take exit 145A for US-601 S toward Orangeburg 0.5 mi
6. Merge onto St Matthews Rd/US-601
Continue to follow US-601 11.0 mi
7. Slight right at Binnicker Bridge Rd/SC-70
Continue to follow SC-70
Continue on Carolina Hwy/US-321 South 1.3 mile to course on left.

That should be pretty accurate, but I used Google maps.

Well sure, Jonas. If you want to get technical, I'm sure that will work too.

I drive up 61 then 78 from Charleston to get acclimated to the "country".

I noticed last week that I actually get cell phone reception in Denmark. I was impressed!

The event was held and for a first time event it went pretty well. Big thanks to Skipper, Nancy, and Skipp's boy for primping the course. Thanks to Gene for closing the course so it was only disc golfers. Thank you to Innova for the sponsorship discs. Thank you to Missy for the CTP donations and Mike and missy for putting me up again.
Thank you for eveyone who came out to support our first event. I hope we can have more as this is an awesome course.

Zack Rogers and I set the new course record in the second round. Luckily I had him by one going in. See you at the USDGC. Scores are posted.

Congrats Jonas!!! Have fun at USDGC!!!

Congrats Jonas!!!