� arriving in Oklahoma in mid-May , 2008 � The �Greater Tulsa Open� � Oklahoma�s first-ever National Tour Event � May 17 & 18 � registrations for the 2008 GTO are ongoing now � by mail , in person , online at www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com) ... hand-out Flyers / entry-forms have been out-and-around �
... e-mail all inquiries to [email protected] �
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� the GTO in Tulsa is open to all levels of current PDGA Players �
� it is set for tier-levels of NT ( all Pro Players ) ;
A-Tier SuperTour ( all Advanced, Amateur, Novice Players ) ;
and is a qualifier for the 2008 USDGC �
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� IMPORTANT : � registrations and entries for the NT close Monday, May 12 � the A-Tier (for the Am�s) will have 4-more-days to get entered � A-Tier entries end on Friday, May 16 (or if either Gold-Flight or Silver-Flight �caps� before then ) �
Further information can be found at www.tulsadiscsports.org (http://www.tulsadiscsports.org) � more information concerning Friday�s Player-Check-In coming soon �

� questions and comments on here are okay � PM�s etc. � but on a daily basis, I�m not always on this sports-message-board � the normal e-mail avenue is much surer � [email protected] � it's percolatin' ... :cool:

Once again.....Nice job Wayne, Joe & TDSA! Another QUALITY event in the works!

I'm registered and plane tickets purchased as well! See you all in May!

� more details will soon show up on our website : www.tulsadiscsports.org (http://www.tulsadiscsports.org) � as the registrations accumulate (via mail, titledisc, in-person) , I�m keeping-with these in a �timely-manner� � but if you don�t spot yourself on the �registered-list� at PDGA.com within 72-hours , please contact me � [email protected] � (918) 494-9627 ( live -or- voice-message ) � cell (918) 576-8569 ( live , non-work hours ) � thanks in advance , , , forest

Why is there so little info or chatter about this event? It is only a few short weeks away and info is scarce.

Why is there so little info or chatter about this event? It is only a few short weeks away and info is scarce.


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... bin 2 bizzy working on it ... my [email protected] has been "hopping" ... more "fresh" info. being dialed-in to www.tulsadiscsports.org (http://www.tulsadiscsports.org) ... :cool:

I have heard people talking and making plans...

...have you?

I got my tickets yesterday and now I am debating on playing open or advanced :o I am leaning toward open.

Go for it.

I think black and red hawk are the best courses in Tulsa, not taking anything away from the rest.

Is the open field playing 3 or 4 rounds?

Go for it.

I think black and red hawk are the best courses in Tulsa, not taking anything away from the rest.

Is the open field playing 3 or 4 rounds? ... 3 ... and I think they'll agree that this is still a TALL Challenge ... 1 over BlackHawk ... 1 over RedHawk ... final round Sunday is over the 27-hole "Mohawk Judge" ...

... some further info. ... below is "clipped" from the current Competition Manual :

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" 1.3. Withdraws and Refunds
A. A player may officially withdraw only by contacting the
Tournament Director.
B. Players must email or phone their withdrawals to the
Tournament Director only at the contact information
posted.
C. Discussions with persons other than the Tournament
Director, including other tournament staff, shall not be
considered official.
D. No refunds will be issued after the 7th day prior to the
start of the event, but the player shall be sent a player�s
package if one was provided to event competitors.
E. Withdrawals made before the 7th day prior to the start of
the event shall receive a 50% refund.
F. Withdrawals made 14 days prior to the start of the event
shall be refunded 100 %, less postage and handling,
which shall not exceed 10% of the entry fee.
G. These criteria may be relaxed at the discretion of the
Tournament Director. "

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... I am "relaxing" these a bit ... as follows :

... Deadline for Full Refund upon withdrawal : May 7 (ten days prior) ...

... May 8 , 9 , 10 = 50% Refund upon withdrawal ...

... May 11 and forward = No Refund upon withdrawal (Players' Pack mailed) ...
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... some new "overview" info. now at www.tulsadiscsports.org (http://www.tulsadiscsports.org) ...
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... keep them cards-n-letters coming in ... :cool:

Signed up and ready. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

its hard for me to believe that this tournament isnt more full, great courses!! if there wasnt a tournament 5 miles from my house on the same weekend I would be at this one for sure.

I have thought the same thing. I am guessing we will see a big increase this week. I know I am pumped about my first NT experience (wrapped in an A-tier package) :D

Question for all locals and for those that have played the courses. I will be coming in early on Friday. Which of the three courses for the MA1 division do you recommend I get out to play. I will not have time for all 3, but is there one that is a must play over the others?

Black Hawk

Blackhawk for sure, if for some reason you cant play there then play Dovillio.

Except MA1 is not playing Blackhawk during the tournament, they are playing Redhawk.

then I would definitely play Dovillio or Redhawk; flip a quarter both are pretty open,with Redhawk having more placement shots I guess I would choose it.

Anyone from DFW want to go to this?

... the time is upon us ... get entered now ... enjoy the Sport ... :cool:

All I got to say is WHERE ARE ALL THE OK BOYS? Come on YA'LL! :D

All I got to say is WHERE ARE ALL THE OK BOYS? Come on YA'LL! :D



C'mon everybody knows Okies don't pre-reg by more than a day or two. We like to see what the weather is gonna be like and how we're feelin and if there's anything more fun to do. (which we all know there's not, but we got to have an excuse of some sort) What are you thinkin. :D:D:D

I am in and fully prepared to donate in OPEN :o....Don't get BEAT by the Advanced player ;) Mabye some of that building the course karma will come back to me this year....I'm gettin' wild at the ZOO :D

All I got to say is WHERE ARE ALL THE OK BOYS? Come on YA'LL! :D



C'mon everybody knows Okies don't pre-reg by more than a day or two. We like to see what the weather is gonna be like and how we're feelin and if there's anything more fun to do. (which we all know there's not, but we got to have an excuse of some sort) What are you thinkin. :D:D:D



Gas prices /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif, lets just say huh, and they are home. Where are the home boys minus the ones whom are already there. :eek:, minus K-Mac? Just like STL, homeboys waited till the the last minute. Gonna be a good one :) I will be there smiling :) Played today in league with only a little pain. All is good :cool::cool::cool:.

Peace to all in Tulsa,
RonSTL.

Online Sign ups?

Wayne is using TITLEdisc.com for sign ups. I hope everyone realizes the sign up deadline is not flexible. You can sign up thru Mike Treat this weekend at the Lodge Jam in Pawhuska. Hopefully the weather holds out and the course maintenance volunteers can get cracking on making it smooth out there.

Team Power is coming to TTowN... thats pretty cool!

I can't find any previous scores for this tournament.
What is a 1000 rated round on the open courses?

Looking back to the Oklahoma Open it appears that a 50 on Red hawk will get you about a 1005 and a 56 on black hawk will get you a 1006.

Wayne is using TITLEdisc.com for sign ups. I hope everyone realizes the sign up deadline is not flexible. You can sign up thru Mike Treat this weekend at the Lodge Jam in Pawhuska. Hopefully the weather holds out and the course maintenance volunteers can get cracking on making it smooth out there.

Team Power is coming to TTowN... thats pretty cool!



... thank you , Twisted-Joe ... Michael Treat can accept paid-entries Saturday at THE LODGE , Pawhuska ... Joe Rotan has been kind enough to accept paid-entries Sunday at THE LODGE ... another good reason that everyone should be there ... NEW COURSE PREVIEW ...

Is there online sign up anywhere....I'm having a tough time locating it. www.titledisc.com

How valid is that dead line? ... deadline for all Pro Divisions into the NT = Monday , May 12 , 10:00pm ... (there may be some players calling me Monday afternoon or evening ... then ... they will be meeting me somewhere in town before 9:59pm ... :)


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side-note > the A-tier deadline (Adv., Ams, Nov, Jr) is Friday(may 16) at the Fly-Mart (and that's pushin' it) ...

... at titledisc , Joshua is "bracing himself" for the late-rush ... :)

i put my entry in the mail today

quote from online reg at titledisc :

" Online entries for this event will close at approximately 10:00:00 PM, Monday May 12, 2008 or if the event becomes full. "
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quoted from website and Flyer :

" ( 90-Player Cap per Flight ) "
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Is there online sign up anywhere....I'm having a tough time locating it. www.titledisc.com


here's a direct link for the registration page for each level of competition:

National Tour (http://www.titledisc.com/eventDisplay.php?eventid=315)

A-tier (http://www.titledisc.com/eventDisplay.php?eventid=317)

Or at the homepage of http://www.titleDISC.com/ just scroll down to where it says "Greater Tulsa Open" and both links are there.

like wayne says... I'm bracing for the last wave :). 22 registered on titleDISC so far for the NT side, and 13 for the A-tier. I'm still trying to decide if I'll be able to make this one or not. I have sponsorship money to raise here in town... but I suppose I could just bring some CFR discs with me :D

Geez with numbers like that your going to have to issue Wayne a I-9!!! There is a flymart... Senior Treat is spearheading that end of the NT.

Good luck to everyone. I'm sure it will be a fun event.

Unfortunately, only 54 holes of golf over 2 days + no Blackhawk = means me either staying home or going to Cedar Rapids (which is also 4-ish hours from KC). I'm not knocking the tournament staff, they're good folks, just listing my personal reasons for not coming. Either 4 rounds of golf, or 3 rounds including Blackhawk would have got me there.

Chap

Yeah all 40 of us are gonna have a blast :D

Konnichiwa

You know how us open players like to sign up the day before. It would be a shame if we didn't have a full field on these two sweet courses.

You know how us open players like to sign up the day before. It would be a shame if we didn't have a full field on these two sweet courses.



Or at least online until Thursday.

You know how us open players like to sign up the day before. It would be a shame if we didn't have a full field on these two sweet courses.



I'm not sure what sense it makes to allow the Am's deadline to be next friday and the NT side is monday. The NT side is supposed to be the reason for the event? :confused: I'm baffled

Why would the Rico, Doss, Climo, Jenkins be bumping around on the Tulsa website to know this kind of info? Most people look at PDGA Tour to see if it is filling up. If it isn't filling up we wait until week of.

I guarantee if the TD don't change it he is gonna [censored]-off.... oh say... 1 or 40 people that want to play in the tourney. Not me tho my money is in!!!!

Konnichiwa

:D

Another great reason to come to Tulsa:

*FREE* NT Clinic Series will be in town featuring top Touring Pros
Thursday, May 15th from 5:30-7:30 at McClure Park

Sponsored by the PDGA, National Tour and TDSA featuring:

(Wisconsin) World Champion, Barry Schultz
(California) European Champion, Burl Berlogar
(Texas) Distance Freak, Robbie Bratten
(Georgia via Oklahoma) Kevin McCoy, The "Original" Super Pro

Topics will most likely include Putt, Approach, Big Distance and How to Play in the Wind. There will be a hands-on section so bring your discs and be there to win some other great prizes from Innova Champion (http://innovadiscs.com).

Good luck to everyone. I'm sure it will be a fun event.

Unfortunately, only 54 holes of golf over 2 days + no Blackhawk = means me either staying home or going to Cedar Rapids (which is also 4-ish hours from KC). I'm not knocking the tournament staff, they're good folks, just listing my personal reasons for not coming. Either 4 rounds of golf, or 3 rounds including Blackhawk would have got me there.

Chap



I have seen a lot of posts about the folks in Tulsa busting their butts to get Blackhawk ready...where do you get the "...no Blackhawk" from?

He is talking about the am flight. I hope that comments like those don't affect the turnout for the NT.

He is talking about the am flight. I hope that comments like those don't affect the turnout for the NT.



Pros get to play 63 holes, and they get to play Blackhawk, I think more than once. Different thing entirely.

The Wide Open did the same thing 2 years ago....3 rounds only, and a lot of people didn't show up, and the ones that did felt short-changed. It wasn't my idea....if it wasn't in my hometown, I wouldn't have played in it that year, either. If I'm going to spend two hotel room nights, pay $4.00/gallon for gas, I want to get my money's worth in golf. I like McClure, Dovillio, and RedHawk just fine, but not enough to only play 3 rounds of golf. If I got to play BlackHawk in those 3 rounds, it might be worth that price to me, but the ams don't get to play BlackHawk. I'm not saying that's the right reason for not coming, and I'm not saying that other people shouldn't go, but that is MY reason for not coming down this year.

Chap

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He is talking about the am flight. I hope that comments like those don't affect the turnout for the NT.



Pros get to play 63 holes, and they get to play Blackhawk. Different thing entirely.

The Wide Open did the same thing 2 years ago....3 rounds only, and a lot of people didn't show up, and the ones that did felt short-changed. It wasn't my idea....if it wasn't in my hometown, I wouldn't have played in it that year, either. If I'm going to spend two hotel room nights, pay $4.00/gallon for gas, I want to get my money's worth in golf. I like McClure, Dovillio, and RedHawk just fine, but not enough to only play 3 rounds of golf. If I got to play BlackHawk in those 3 rounds, it might be worth that price to me, but the ams don't get to play BlackHawk. I'm not saying that's the right reason for not coming, and I'm not saying that other people shouldn't go, but that is MY reason for not coming down this year.

Chap



So you post these kind of negative comments on the MB to accomplish what?

If you don't want to go to an event for personal reasons such as you stated, why do you feel you need to share this with the world?

These are the kind of things that make easily influenced or folks on the fence about going make up their mind with the WRONG decision!

Personally, I think any negative comment about ANY tournament should be either KEPT TO YOURSELF or handle it by PM. The use of this MB should be reserved for positive reinforcement to every aspect of Disc Golf since the world is free to view it.


THE GTO is going to be a GREAT EVENT!!!! Anyone who chooses to miss this one will be kicking themselves later when they hear about what a great time they missed. SO, fix it now, DON'T MISS OUT....REGISTER NOW!!!

any negative comment about ANY tournament should be either KEPT TO YOURSELF or handle it by PM.


seriously.


THE GTO is going to be a GREAT EVENT!!!! Anyone who chooses to miss this one will be kicking themselves later when they hear about what a great time they missed. SO, fix it now, DON'T MISS OUT....REGISTER NOW!!!


amen to that. those okies know how to party. I might even make it up for this one myself... we'll see. If I don't make it though... it's not because of anything except that I have a ton of stuff left to do preparing for two upcoming tournaments... and I've been out of town for the last 3 weekends in a row :(. If someone wants to do that stuff for me :Dor if I get enough done in time, I'm heading to Tulsa!

The use of this MB should be reserved for positive reinforcement to every aspect of Disc Golf since the world is free to view it.

"That is completely FALSE, and a complete inane response. The MB is FORUM of open thought, and one guy that mentions his reasoning behind why he chooses not to attend is simply giving their thoughts."

Good/bad or indifferent, the exchange of ideas and information is what a MB shold be used for, not for "rose colored" glasses.

But then that is my opine...again one person's idea.

"These are the kind of things that make easily influenced or folks on the fence about going make up their mind with the WRONG decision!"

That is YOUR opinion thinking that it is the WRONG decision, and again you are entitled to it,a nd should voice it, but I am not calling you out for making comments that I may or may not agree with. Again...... Good/bad or indifferent, the exchange of ideas and information is what a MB shold be used for, not for "rose colored" glasses.

while it's true that everyone has a right to an opinion and a voice, it is easy to misconstrue comments on a MB. I've seen it happen in a very bad way many times... a lot of people read this board and form their opinions based on the opinions of others. Do you agree that it is far better for them to be based on fact?

I agree that it is in bad taste to post negative comments on a thread that was started to promote an event. I might not feel as strongly as Tom does, but I agree with his sentiment. Why scare other people away just because you don't like one aspect of a tournament?

It is bad form to say you are not coming because there will be no blackhawk. His post would have been way more constructive if given as a PM. This thread is to discuss the up coming NT event, not hear why some out of state AM player will not be attending.

Just another reason why player ratings should be posted next to screenames. Then everyone would have known that Chappy was discussing the B flight and not the NT event.

So you post these kind of negative comments on the MB to accomplish what?



To get the TD to change the policies for next year. As to whether they are "negative" or not, well, perhaps those points I mentioned were negative for me. Others may like playing fewer rounds on different courses. There's nothing wrong with that. The tournament staff is excellent (I mentioned that before), and I like the courses. Just wish I got to play more golf.


If you don't want to go to an event for personal reasons such as you stated, why do you feel you need to share this with the world?



Duh, it's an internet discussion board. Almost every post on here contains personal opinions that people feel like they should share with the world. Are you saying what you've posted here aren't personal reasons to actually attend the event?


These are the kind of things that make easily influenced or folks on the fence about going make up their mind with the WRONG decision!



I think giving more facts can help people make the right decision for them. Note that I have continuously stated that the reasons I'm not coming are my reasons alone. I'm not trying to keep anyone else from coming. And, they should be as easily influenced by anyone saying they're coming to the event.


Personally, I think any negative comment about ANY tournament should be either KEPT TO YOURSELF or handle it by PM. The use of this MB should be reserved for positive reinforcement to every aspect of Disc Golf since the world is free to view it.



Really? You want to censor the message board so it only contains happy thoughts? Never going to happen. I personally think there's room for constructive criticism here. I've not bashed anyone, only the decision to play fewer than 4 rounds. Sounds like BlackHawk is going to be underwater anyway. I hope that's not the case, hopefully it'll dry out by Saturday.


THE GTO is going to be a GREAT EVENT!!!! Anyone who chooses to miss this one will be kicking themselves later when they hear about what a great time they missed. SO, fix it now, DON'T MISS OUT....REGISTER NOW!!!



Never said it wouldn't be. Those of you who go I'm sure will have a good time. Forest is a good guy, and this team ran a fantastic event at Am Worlds in 2006. I just wish there was more golf being played.

Chap

It is bad form to say you are not coming because there will be no blackhawk.



Read it again, and read it carefully this time. I'm not coming because the ams are only playing 3 rounds (54 holes). If BlackHawk were included in those 3 rounds, I might come anyway. If we were playing Haikey, Hunter, McClure, and Chandler (or insert any other FOUR courses here, or even four rounds at one course, or any combo of courses that added to four rounds), I'd make it down there.



His post would have been way more constructive if given as a PM. This thread is to discuss the up coming NT event, not hear why some out of state AM player will not be attending.



Fine...it does say NT event...point taken. I should have stated am side. But basically, these 2 events (like any other A-Tier and NT run together on the same weekend in the same town) are really run as sort of one event. They're both called the Greater Tulsa Open, yes? I say potato, Dan Quayle says potatoe. But I digress. The medium of my criticism doesn't make it any more or less constructive or instructive.


Just another reason why player ratings should be posted next to screenames. Then everyone would have known that Chappy was discussing the B flight and not the NT event.



Let's not drift into that thread, please. If you want to see my player rating, you know where it is. I don't look for discussion board topics in the tournament database, you shouldn't look for my player rating on the discussion board.

Chap

Your posts are in poor taste, now give it a rest willya.

I'm out to mow hole 11 on Red if anyone wants to help.

The Wide Open did the same thing 2 years ago....3 rounds only, and a lot of people didn't show up, and the ones that did felt short-changed.



Doesnt everybody felt short changed when they go to kcwo.I mean every year.If you want to play blackhawk then play open,no1 cares about your opinion.All the courses in tulsa are sweet so STFU and live with it.Everybody else that are playing Am and novice are so you can to

The Wide Open did the same thing 2 years ago....3 rounds only, and a lot of people didn't show up, and the ones that did felt short-changed.



That's part of the reason I brought this up...because the TD here in KC did this 2 years ago and it was poorly received. Jason is correct. I also mentioned this in an earlier post.

Guys, the Tulsa guys do a good job. If you're able to and in the area, go play the event. I'm sure you won't be disappointed. Hopefully you guys get to play BlackHawk...it's a gem. If you don't, there are plenty of other nice courses in Tulsa that will test your mettle (metal), or at least your ability to hit it.

Forest will take my comments the right way. The rest of you, well, take them how you will. Good luck, and good weather next weekend.

Chap

I spoke with two folks today that knew NOTHING about the cut-off date for registration. Both of them were traveling OVER 1000 miles to get to TULSA! Can you imagine trying to explain to someone that drove all the way across the country that they can't play.

I sure am glad I'm not going to have to explain to someone that drove that far why they can't play and why the Am's can still sign up on friday but the PRO'S at the NT can't.

There is no reason to turn anyone away when it's no where near full. Bowling Green won't turn anyone away why should Tulsa? There is plenty of room for more golfers.

If your going to make exceptions Please Please let it be known now! And if your not going to change it, you better not let one or two slip in at the last minute.

PLEASE BUMP THE MONDAY REGISTRATION DEADLINE UNTIL FRIDAY !!!

I spoke with two folks today that knew NOTHING about the cut-off date for registration. Both of them were traveling OVER 1000 miles to get to TULSA! Can you imagine trying to explain to someone that drove all the way across the country that they can't play.

I sure am glad I'm not going to have to explain to someone that drove that far why they can't play and why the Am's can still sign up on friday but the PRO'S at the NT can't.

There is no reason to turn anyone away when it's no where near full. Bowling Green won't turn anyone away why should Tulsa? There is plenty of room for more golfers.

If your going to make exceptions Please Please let it be known now! And if your not going to change it, you better not let one or two slip in at the last minute.

PLEASE BUMP THE MONDAY REGISTRATION DEADLINE UNTIL FRIDAY !!!





Please listen to Kevin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude I'm so MAD I'm not in Tulsa! :mad:

But then again NO I'm not. Every event it's the ever long battle with trying to reason with the unreasonable....So glad I'm far away I am missing the Lodge Jam in Pawhuska this weekend that sucks pretty hard tho!

Oyasuminasai !!!!! :D

The Wide Open did the same thing 2 years ago....3 rounds only, and a lot of people didn't show up, and the ones that did felt short-changed.



That's part of the reason I brought this up...because the TD here in KC did this 2 years ago and it was poorly received. Jason is correct. I also mentioned this in an earlier post.





Now, John. Are you quoting yourself and using it to back up your own opinions. I think that you are. Jason is using your own Post to tell you that people felt short changed for another reason...EVERYBODY knows that the payout is what shafts you in KC not the courses. FYI, every NT event so far this year has been 3 rounds execpt one. ;)

John, you are missing the point entirely.

Here it is since you haven't gotten it yet:

Registrations close in 3 days...the event is not even close to filling. Kevin is trying to get your good buddy Wayne to extend the deadline.

There is talk of the course being under water and potentially unplayable for the tounament which is 1 week away...there are many club members down here spending our time away from our families working on the course just to try and get it playable.

Here you come along telling the world that you will not be attending because you don't get to play Blackhawk.

Yes I know, this is the USofA and you do get the freedom of speech, but John..negative comments like that have an adverse effect on tournaments.

This thread is not about your right to post your opinions...its about Promoting The National Tour stop in Tulsa.

Show some class and let it go.

Wow. You got all of that from me saying I didn't want to play only 3 rounds? You're right, Jake, there's no point arguing with YOU. I'll show some class and move on. I'd suggest you do the same.

Chap

The Wide Open did the same thing 2 years ago....3 rounds only, and a lot of people didn't show up, and the ones that did felt short-changed.



That's part of the reason I brought this up...because the TD here in KC did this 2 years ago and it was poorly received. Jason is correct. I also mentioned this in an earlier post.





Now, John. Are you quoting yourself and using it to back up your own opinions. I think that you are. Jason is using your own Post to tell you that people felt short changed for another reason...EVERYBODY knows that the payout is what shafts you in KC not the courses. FYI, every NT event so far this year has been 3 rounds execpt one. ;)

John, you are missing the point entirely.

Here it is since you haven't gotten it yet:

Registrations close in 3 days...the event is not even close to filling. Kevin is trying to get your good buddy Wayne to extend the deadline.

There is talk of the course being under water and potentially unplayable for the tounament which is 1 week away...there are many club members down here spending our time away from our families working on the course just to try and get it playable.

Here you come along telling the world that you will not be attending because you don't get to play Blackhawk.

Yes I know, this is the USofA and you do get the freedom of speech, but John..negative comments like that have an adverse effect on tournaments.

This thread is not about your right to post your opinions...its about Promoting The National Tour stop in Tulsa.

Show some class and let it go.




Not only the effect of the tourny but the effect of anybody talking to your SORRY "something im not going to say and get kicked off"but you no wtf im talking about.After i post this and when you read this say no more just go on with your sorry life and leave this thread alone to the ppl that want to no some info about this GREATEST TOURNY of the USA :D

The Wide Open did the same thing 2 years ago....3 rounds only, and a lot of people didn't show up, and the ones that did felt short-changed.



That's part of the reason I brought this up...because the TD here in KC did this 2 years ago and it was poorly received. Jason is correct. I also mentioned this in an earlier post.





Now, John. Are you quoting yourself and using it to back up your own opinions. I think that you are. Jason is using your own Post to tell you that people felt short changed for another reason...EVERYBODY knows that the payout is what shafts you in KC not the courses. FYI, every NT event so far this year has been 3 rounds execpt one. ;)

John, you are missing the point entirely.

Here it is since you haven't gotten it yet:

Registrations close in 3 days...the event is not even close to filling. Kevin is trying to get your good buddy Wayne to extend the deadline.

There is talk of the course being under water and potentially unplayable for the tounament which is 1 week away...there are many club members down here spending our time away from our families working on the course just to try and get it playable.

Here you come along telling the world that you will not be attending because you don't get to play Blackhawk.

Yes I know, this is the USofA and you do get the freedom of speech, but John..negative comments like that have an adverse effect on tournaments.

This thread is not about your right to post your opinions...its about Promoting The National Tour stop in Tulsa.

Show some class and let it go.




Not only the effect of the tourny but the effect of anybody talking to your SORRY "something im not going to say and get kicked off"but you no wtf im talking about.After i post this and when you read this say no more just go on with your sorry life and leave this thread alone to the ppl that want to no some info about this GREATEST TOURNY of the USA :D




So where are those Pics from Duncan?

Please post something about the tournament, and please stop misrepresenting my position. I'd welcome actual tournament information at this point, and I'm pretty sure everyone else would as well.

Good luck next week!

Chap

Scooter,
When are you headed north?

PLEASE EXTEND THE SIGN UP DATE FOR THE PROS!!!
It is so lame that the event is nowhere near full, yet the Ams have an unfair advantage for signing up! I wish Wayne would reconsider this. It is totally uncalled for to have a tournament run as 1 event yet have 2 different sign up dates... at least extend it to Tuesday when Title discs shuts down their sign in! It is really gonna be a disappointing National Tour event with only 20 pros and 6 women!!! I think that cutting off the sign up this early is ridiculous and hard-headed. It is not good for the event! It is not good for the National Tour numbers! and it is completely unfair for there to be 2 different deadlines for 1 tournament! I am really saddened that most of the top Pro men are not going to get to see how awesome TDSA has become. Come on Wayne!!! you know this is the right thing to do!!! Everyone will commend you if you make this right! Thank you.
Courtney Peavy

Scooter,
When are you headed north?




I may not be heading north at all but if I do I will be at Tulsa and maybe go on up to Iowa If I have enough cash to do it.

I don't see the point in having an early cutt off for sign ups. Can somebody enlighten me? It seems that TitleDisc should stay open until thursday like every other tournament. Lets use our brains people.

Scooter,
When are you headed north?




I may not be heading north at all but if I do I will be at Tulsa and maybe go on up to Iowa If I have enough cash to do it.



This year I cannot do DM because my Anniv. is on 5/23, but for you, 9000 added cash should be enough to spark your interest, and then finish in KC?

I thought the tournament was two rounds Saturday with a shotgun start and one round of 27 Sunday with tee times. That is kind
of like 3 and a half rounds.

What is the back up plan if one of the courses is under water?

Can't wait and thanks for all the hard work guys!

as a member of the tdsa board i do know there is an alternate course
schedule for pros and ams the same number of holes as orriginaly sceduled. if mother nature forces the hand we can still plan on some great golf on great courses

now weve got 34 pre reg am field and 49 pro field . come on people lets play some great tulsa courses at our first NT event

as a member of the tdsa board i do know there is an alternate course
schedule for pros and ams the same number of holes as orriginaly sceduled. if mother nature forces the hand we can still plan on some great golf on great courses




What is the Alt course? Also is sign ups ending tomorrow? Oh I know AMs isn't just wondering if you guys still want our cash by tomorrow because if So I go from a 70% to 2%.

pro sign ups are ending 10;00pm monday.
am sign ups later than that .
alternates may include dovillo,mcclure, hunter.
hakey creek is still closed due to storm dammage.
on the gto web page or on the pdga tour page there should be a telephone # to reach Mr. forest

pro sign ups are ending 10;00pm monday.
am sign ups later than that .




Brad you goto the club meetings, can you please enlighten me on why the deadline for the Pros is Monday while the AMs are Friday?

It seems like there is NO reasoning behind it. Turning people away when the event is FAR from full is not away to promote the sport.

It would have also been wise to advertise that this event is the only USDGC Qualifier in the SouthWest, I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere and it would be good information to get to the public. Where is the promoting for this event?

Hey everyone this is for 5 USDGC spots. Better Kev?

its my understanding that it is common place to have the cuttoff a week ahead the beginning of a national tour event.
and i dont know about the usdgc qualificators/events

Maybe most are cutt off because they are full a week prior to the event. This is no way to start your first NT in Tulsa.

These are closer to B-tier numbers than any NT I have seen. :confused: For $140.00 a man I think yall could extend it to at least wed.

its my understanding that it is common place to have the cuttoff a week ahead the beginning of a national tour event.
and i dont know about the usdgc qualificators/events



Who you gonna listen to? The person that has played in over 20 NT Events...or the person that is getting his advice from who knows who.

There are some that have deadlines, Minnesota, Arizona, Massachucetts but those events would fill the max capacity and 100 more if they didn't have a deadline. Bowling Green runs the most successful event in the World and they are taking sign ups friday EVERY year.

It just wouldn't make any sense to close the field early if it doesn't fill

k mack u have a pm

Maybe most are cutt off because they are full a week prior to the event. This is no way to start your first NT in Tulsa.

These are closer to B-tier numbers than any NT I have seen. :confused: For $140.00 a man I think yall could extend it to at least wed.




You looked at the entry too? I figured it would be $100-$120 but daaaaaannnngg! I wonder how many more people would have griped about the TX state Open entry if they bumped it another 20. PS a lot of people griped. :D

... hey there scooter , you have PM ...
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... hey Kev , on the USDGC qualifier ; that's pointed out at the tournament-website ... also in a few posts on this sports-message-board last March ... Jonathon (USDGC) and Jay (Yeti) will have us all up-to-speed for knowing just how deep into scores ... we've been keeping a watchful eye on the numbers-of-pre-qualified thus far this season (and exemptions from last-year) for that great September Event ... this tournament is the regional-qualifier for 2008 USDGC ... 5 positions will be earned ... ... ... thanks for asking ... drive careful ...

Another great reason to come to Tulsa:

*FREE* NT Clinic Series will be in town featuring top Touring Pros
Thursday, May 15th from 5:30-7:30 at McClure Park

Sponsored by the PDGA, National Tour and TDSA featuring:

(Wisconsin) World Champion, Barry Schultz
(California) European Champion, Burl Berlogar
(Texas) Distance Freak, Robbie Bratten
(Georgia via Oklahoma) Kevin McCoy, The "Original" Super Pro

Topics will most likely include Putt, Approach, Big Distance and How to Play in the Wind. There will be a hands-on section so bring your discs and be there to win some other great prizes from Innova Champion (http://innovadiscs.com).



Also, Thursday night rump shaking at EXIT 6-C music venue in downtown Tulsa like 1st and Detroit. Mike Dillon's Go-Go Jungle. Mike just got off tour with Les Claypool and plays some wicked percussion and vibraphone. Should be a great time :D

registrations are still pouring in on titleDISC, with just under 4 hours till closing time. get signed up, folks!

I saw that Mike D. show on Jambase. If I still have some gas in
the tank after playing all day I may do that. It will be good for sure.

hey folks go to the tourney web page and please read the sunday updates. wayne has seen the light to give some late comers the opportunity to compete. details are at the tourney web page, i dont know how to position the direct link here.

THANK YOU!!!

sweet 74 now.47 open

so if, according to the update, black-hawk and red-hawk aren't ready, what courses will the pros play?

i took off work and am coming in town on thursday so that i can get at least a couple of rounds of practice on each course. if i spend that time on the wrong ones, that would be most unfortunate.

sorry, let me clarify. we all assume and hope they will be ready, but if they aren't...

we have many great courses here that are dry and more enjoyable to play there is going to be a powow of great minds and players that are going to walk the hawks wednesday and with their input a decision will be made . air wise the courses are fantastic what were concerned with is the marsh like conditions that can occure their with additional rain as the hawks are the slowest to drain.
whos to guess in jan and feb that we would have almost 20 inches of rain after a natural disaster of ice.in march and may?

and i fully trust that a good decision will be made, however, which courses MIGHT i need to practice if the hawks are too sloppy?

Count on playing the Hawks!

We will have them ready. ;)

Just bring your water socks in case you have a bad throw. :D

is that an official tournament decision?

Dave,

I know you guys have been busting butt to get the Hawks ready. However, it looks like the possibility for more rain is in the forecast. Will the courses be able to take more rain this week and still remain playable? I am not trying to be pessimistic here, but reality tells me more water could easily dump. If the additional rain comes, which I really hope it doesn't, where are you going have us play? :confused: :confused:

I am trying to remain positive about it. While we do have a chance of thunder storms tonight, it is just that a chance. We have another chance on Thursday night.

As long as we don't get another 2" storm we should be okay. There will still be a few areas of concern but most of any standing water really isn't in play for the holes and there really isn't that much standing water on the BH course. Red hawk will have a few areas out in the fairways but only on holes 10, 11 and 12.

With the prediction of higher temps for Thursday and Friday and the wind we have been having, things are dyring up fairly quickly.

Again, I have all intentions of having the courses ready for play and I myself have no intentions of practicing any courses other than the hawks. ;)

Ask around, I'm one lucky son of a b......... and I'm going to get lucky on this one also. :D

Ask around, I'm one lucky son of a b......... and I'm going to get lucky on this one also.


true statement

TODAY
HI: 78
PARTLY CLOUDY. SLIGHT CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS IN THE MORNING...THEN CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS IN THE AFTERNOON. SOME THUNDERSTORMS MAY BE SEVERE IN THE AFTERNOON. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 70S. SOUTH WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 30 PERCENT.

TONIGHT
LO: 60
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS LIKELY. SOME THUNDERSTORMS MAY BE SEVERE. LOWS AROUND 60. WEST WINDS AROUND 10 MPH SHIFTING TO THE NORTH AFTER MIDNIGHT. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 70 PERCENT.

WEDNESDAY
HI: 72
SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS LIKELY. HIGHS IN THE LOWER 70S. NORTHEAST WINDS AROUND 10 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 70 PERCENT.

WEDNESDAY NIGHT
LO: 55
OCCASIONAL SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. LOWS IN THE MID 50S. NORTH WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH. CHANCE OF PRECIPITATION 90 PERCENT.

THURSDAY
HI: 68
PARTLY CLOUDY WITH A 40 PERCENT CHANCE OF SHOWERS AND THUNDERSTORMS. HIGHS IN THE UPPER 60S. NORTH WINDS 10 TO 15 MPH

<font color="red"> Looks like a lot more rain to me</font>

You're not from Oklahoma, we have a history here of only hitting a forcast about 30% of the time. ;)

They are only predicting thunderstorms and scattered showers, we may not even get a drop of rain. We can handle a few storms, we just need to avoid the all day soaker.

Ask around, I'm one lucky son of a b......... and I'm going to get lucky on this one also.


true statement

I'll third that :eek:All the tree's you hit last weekend and you still got me!!!

I just dropped an email to the posted address, there is still time for the Am's to register for this thing, right?

When does registration for the Open Div cut off? I need to know who's playing so i can make the right DG Fantasy picks. So far the PDGA link shows that these peeps are in. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7285)

I'll also be praying that the 60%-70% chance of rain that intellicast is showing for WED and THUR (http://www.intellicast.com/local/weather.aspx?location=USOK0537) is incorrect b/c those Hawks don't need more water.

The Ams have until Friday evening to sign up at McClure.

Pro NT players should contact Wayne Forest if your not in yet. I know he will be at the MicroTel tonight to take a few sign-ups there...

When does registration for the Open Div cut off? I need to know who's playing so i can make the right DG Fantasy picks. So far the PDGA link shows that these peeps are in. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7285)

I'll also be praying that the 60%-70% chance of rain that intellicast is showing for WED and THUR (http://www.intellicast.com/local/weather.aspx?location=USOK0537) is incorrect b/c those Hawks don't need more water.




Oh Hero I'll be there so make sure you don't have Fles in the top 4. :D

I'll also be praying that the 60%-70% chance of rain that intellicast is showing for WED and THUR (http://www.intellicast.com/local/weather.aspx?location=USOK0537) is incorrect b/c those Hawks don't need more water.



Hero, you have not seen this course in such great condition. difference of night and day from when you were here. And we caan handle a little more rain, don't need it but can handle it. ;)

When does registration for the Open Div cut off? I need to know who's playing so i can make the right DG Fantasy picks. So far the PDGA link shows that these peeps are in. (http://www.pdga.com/tournament/tournament_results.php?TournID=7285)

I'll also be praying that the 60%-70% chance of rain that intellicast is showing for WED and THUR (http://www.intellicast.com/local/weather.aspx?location=USOK0537) is incorrect b/c those Hawks don't need more water.




Oh Hero I'll be there so make sure you don't have Fles in the top 4. :D




<font color="red"> I pretty much go by ratings. I'm not doing so well so maybe i should pick both you and CFles. :D</font>




I'll also be praying that the 60%-70% chance of rain that intellicast is showing for WED and THUR (http://www.intellicast.com/local/weather.aspx?location=USOK0537) is incorrect b/c those Hawks don't need more water.



Hero, you have not seen this course in such great condition. difference of night and day from when you were here. And we caan handle a little more rain, don't need it but can handle it. ;)



<font color="red"> I'd love to see the Hawks again for myself but Saturday is my daughter's 1st birthday party and Sunday i'll be at the RadioHead concert! </font>

Radiohead concert...sweet.

Are you taping?

What no PeeWee in the top 4 hahahah lol.

Taping it? I'll probably need a tape to remember it. :D

What no PeeWee in the top 4 hahahah lol.



whats the line on that in Vegas?

1-50

1-50



Well you got a 3 time A-tier in a row, winner, in the woods, on serious hills, showing up. What are the odds, of him, NOT having, to throw on, elevated hills in the woods, not making, the top 3 in flat woods?

Peace,

Cannot wait to play BH again. :cool:

Those of you who are on the fence about this one due to course conditions should go ahead and get signed up!

We dodged another bullet by missing rains again today. There is a 70% chance of scattered storms on Wed. night and to be honest, the course will be ready weather it rains or not...I will guarantee it.

The weather for this weekend look to be beautiful!
http://www.centralmediaserver.com/KOKI/wsi/7_day.jpg

i asked a local what the tee boxes were like and he said concrete but he thinks that we will be playing alt boxes. is this true, and if so what type of material are they?

For everyone on this board!

All holes have 6x12 concrete tee pads!
We will be playing Mohawk!
The entrie course will be mowed and weeded and any low areas will be mulched.

The course will still play very tough but I thought thats what the Pros wanted. ;)

The course will still play very tough but I thought thats what the Pros wanted. ;)



Pro GM's don't mind short and technical :D:D

I hope everyone looks up Dave and his fantastic crew and gives them a HUGE thanks for all the work they have put in to bringing this course to the fantastic shape it will be come Saturday morning. Each and every one of them have given up Family time and playing time to make these courses immaculate!!!

To Dave, Jake and the countless unmentioned Crew members,

http://www.furryfriendsrescue.org/Images/thanks-ok.jpg

http://www.wondercliparts.com/thanks/graphics/thanks_graphics_10.gif

We will see you guys this weekend!!

So what is the 27 hole Judge layout? Will we play all of BH and the back 9 on RH?


Well we have been getting hammered today and had quite a few tornadoes in the area so at this moment we are a few hours behind schedule.

The Judge layout is 27 holes. We will play all 18 at BlackHawk and then proceed to hole 9 on Red to play the back nine. Keep in mind when you get to Red hole 17 tee box you are playing to hole 18's basket. It plays at about 650 feet I believe.

Dont be suprised if the Judge layout takes 4-5 hours to play....bringing a snack to munch on will be key.

Sweet! My favorite holes all in one.

It truly is a test...fatigue is usually what gets me when playing the 27 hole layout.

Well it looks like its been raining for awhile up there.Did you guys get soft and slow rain or a BIG poor down?

We only have received about a half inch of rain last night. This is the only rain that we have received on the course all week. :D For any that have been watching the radar for the last few days, Tulsa and the metro have gotten rain but Mohawk Park did not.

With the rain ending this morning we will have clear skies and warm temps the rest of the week.

The course looks great, it is all mowed and all of the hangers have beed brought down.

The fairways are easier and the rough is rougher.

Get your game on! ;)

Nice words written on the PDGA front page about the upcoming tourney. Congrats guys on getting the work done that needed to be done. Enjoy your event!

The rain is over and the course only received labout a half inch of rain last night and that is the only rain it has received since last Friday! It will be in GREAT by this afternoon and beautifull for this weekend.

http://www.centralmediaserver.com/KJRH/weather/seven_day.jpg

Driving directions?

Have no idea where the host hotel is which I am not staying at. And the PDGA directions just tell you that it is in the zoo. :confused:

It truly is a test...fatigue is usually what gets me when playing the 27 hole layout.



Yeah, but you are old and out of shape. :p

Tell me which highway you are coming up on and I'll give you detailed directions.

Well it is kinda in the zoo.I mean you got to go through the zoo enterence and if i remember pay 5$ sometimes.

Pee wee, quit answering questions you don't know the answer to.

The park charges $2 entrance per car $10 for a bus, and only on Saturday and Sundays from 9:00am to 4:00pm

Get in before 9 and you don't pay.

Honestly, 9 advanced players in an A-tier? Please tell me we are going to see a late rush of procrastinators register today and tomorrow? I can't imagine an event of this calibar having so few AM's.

There will be a bunch of AM/ADV sign ups tommorow!!!!!

It truly is a test...fatigue is usually what gets me when playing the 27 hole layout.



Yeah, but you are old and out of shape. :p



Hmmmmmmmmmm, I never took that into account. Thx for pointing that out, Jake.

The extended deadline has passed....And the field is set?

There is still a name or two not on that list that is expected to be here.

The extended deadline has passed....And the field is set?

There is still a name or two not on that list that is expected to be here.



If your talking about Climo and Schultz, they are each playing near their respective homes this weekend. If that's not who your talking about then who are you expecting?

Nate Doss is probably riding in the same RV with Feldberg and Jenkins. I don't know that for sure, but they have been traveling together this spring.

Felberg flew into town last night. Not sure about the others.

... full and complete "driving directions" on the tournament website ... www.tulsadiscsports.org (http://www.tulsadiscsports.org) ... ( also a map ) ...
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... full and complete Schedules , both NT and A-tier on the tournament website ...
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... and : nope ... not "full" ... as the last update mentioned ; we're not turning anyone away ... NT or A-tier ...
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... and ...
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... full and complete efforts by some very "notable" folks mean that yes , this tournament will be able to use MOHAWK for the weekend ... :D

Thanks to all who worked on the park...I'll be there tommorow see yall soon :D

... it is now : G.T.O. EVE ...

... Scores ??? ...

Today....ALL roads lead to Tulsa...... :)

I am trying to remain positive about it. While we do have a chance of thunder storms tonight, it is just that a chance. We have another chance on Thursday night.


Again, I have all intentions of having the courses ready for play and I myself have no intentions of practicing any courses other than the hawks. ;)

Ask around, I'm one lucky son of a b......... and I'm going to get lucky on this one also. :D




I told you I was a lucky SOB! :D

I am trying to remain positive about it. While we do have a chance of thunder storms tonight, it is just that a chance. We have another chance on Thursday night.


Again, I have all intentions of having the courses ready for play and I myself have no intentions of practicing any courses other than the hawks. ;)

Ask around, I'm one lucky son of a b......... and I'm going to get lucky on this one also. :D




I told you I was a lucky SOB! :D



I never doubted you being lucky :D:D

I'll be there in a few hours....fly out at 2 :D

... and : nope ... not "full" ... as the last update mentioned ; we're not turning anyone away ... NT or A-tier ...




Ouch.....Nolan Grider, Mike Grider, Chris Pepperling, and Donald Elsworth are all headed to Little Rock, AR for the SN event this weekend b/c they were told Registration had closed for the NT event on Monday night.

That sucks!
pep told me that he was told that he could not sign up after wed. :confused:
This is why sign ups on titledisc should have been open until thur night.

This is why sign ups on titledisc should have been open until thur night.


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... it's all cool to try and squeeze in the most Players ... (which is always our best-intentions) ...
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... but ,
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... how would you get that $10,000 check from onlines through the mail 'n' into tourney-hands 'n' into bank-account 'n' clear the bank for paying-out-of-all-those-funds at Awards ? ... a tricky dilemna ... but then again, we learn as we go ... we are always seeking improvement ... :cool:

... Scores ???


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... and : nope ... not "full" ... as the last update mentioned ; we're not turning anyone away ... NT or A-tier ...




Ouch.....Nolan Grider, Mike Grider, Chris Pepperling, and Donald Elsworth are all headed to Little Rock, AR for the SN event this weekend b/c they were told Registration had closed for the NT event on Monday night.



pre-reg

Only couple of hours to go untill we start yeah!!!!

... and : nope ... not "full" ... as the last update mentioned ; we're not turning anyone away ... NT or A-tier ...




Ouch.....Nolan Grider, Mike Grider, Chris Pepperling, and Donald Elsworth are all headed to Little Rock, AR for the SN event this weekend b/c they were told Registration had closed for the NT event on Monday night.



pre-reg



No Doubt! McCoy mentioned that a few peeps were driving 1000 miles to come play. Why would you drive 1000 miles and not pre-reg? Good Luck everyone! I'm off to my daughter's 1st Bday party.

Come on Jay! Rootin for yah :D

what a fun time were having in tulsa!!!!
great courses, great weather, great company
if your not here then your missing out on a fantastic event!!!

GOOOOO YETI !

Live scoring today?

UUURRRRRRRRRGHHHHHH.....GO YETI!!!!!

NO LIVE SCORING? Should be a mando. Good luck all today.

Dang, live scoring was going to help get me through the work today.

Lets go Yeti!

if not PDGA live scoring, have someone text the scores to a MB poster.

It's not too hard, Charlotte did it for top FIVE groups last weekend sans the PDGA,

http://www.charlottedgc.com/clash08live.htm

The lead group doesn't even tee off for another 30 minutes.

Chap

updates? i didn't see a link for live scoring...?

Got a text........Avery wins, E-Mac and Feldberg T-2nd

scores are up on pdga tour

who is e mac ?
nice win avery
any other results
what happened to tank?

Congrats DJ for another win!!!!!

The par for the three layouts played by Open seems way off.

Par for Saturday's first round on Blackhawk was set at 62, with SSA at 54.8
Par for Saturday's second round on Redhawk was set at 60, with SSA at 50.8
Par for Sunday's round of 27 holes was set at 96, with SSA at 84.5.

:confused:

Perhaps they used the pars for Am Worlds which were set for Blue level (Advanced)?

or perhaps they used the correct par based on the hole rather than scoring average or some crap like that and understand that pros birdie.....

Do the math. If the SSA is around 9 below par, the hole designs must be weak since the average per hole would mean they were mostly tweeners for Open . But I know most holes on Blackhawk and many on Redhawk are just fine for Open.

Perhaps they used the pars for Am Worlds which were set for Blue level (Advanced)?



Par should be the same number regardless of skill level here, as there's not a significant enough difference in what Chuck calls Blue and Gold skill levels to make this distinction I don't think, but that's neither here nor there, and let's not start that argument here.

The pars are the same as they used for Am Worlds in 2006.

Some of the par 4s on BlackHawk and the 2 on RedHawk would be considered tweeners...really hard par 3s or easy par 4s. RedHawk has 2 par 5s, both of which are about 850' each (820' and 868' upon further review). 13 is pretty much wide open with OB left. 14 has some trees, and OB left and right.
But they are legit par 5s....the long arms probably have a shot at eagle 3s on 13.

Chap

It points up that when a course is properly designed for Blue level with appropriate pars, then those pars will either be inflated for Gold level OR you'll run into the issue we had at Granite Ridge (blue level) where some pars were appropriately adjusted downward for gold level and resulted in complaints that some of those were too tough to be 3s.

But they are legit par 5s....the long arms probably have a shot at eagle 3s on 13.




if your last name starts with Bratten, you probably had an easy 100 ft. upshot on both 13 &amp; 14..

fantastic week end of golf.
it appears that the disc technology and the players ability to master the use of these disc has deemed par an insignificant measurement.
mutch applause to all who traveled and enjoyed the courses in tulsa.
thanks to all who assisted one of the greatest tds in the business, well done mr wayne forest and crew.

Wayne Forest and his staff did a great job with this event. I was very proud to be a Tulsan and be able to take part in this event. I thought all of the judgement calls that Wayne had to face with the courses were right on. Everything was on time and prompt and scheduled from the beginning.

Huge thanks to all of those that spent their time volunteering to make the courses playable.

I love no Saturday morning player meeting. Just show up when you are supposed to - warm up on your based on your personal preference and not around a player's meeting.

Once again I think the GTO was pulled off wonderfully!!!

I think the event went off pretty well. I don't have any idea of the condition of Blackhawk, but I could tell a ton of work was put into it. Thanks to those of you who did the work and shame on the ones who didn't help. (I do hope the brush piles go away before next year).

A couple things that could be adjusted to make the event even better IMO.
1- There was no need for a 3+ hour break on Saturday. A normal hour to hour and a half would have been more then enough.

2- Water! I think there were only 2 water jugs on Blackhawk. 1 on hole 9 and one on hole 1that could have been put in the woods, since most people had more drinks in their vehicle.

3- The Sunday round was to long! I like the idea of tee times. While my group was at hole 3, there were 4 other groups there waiting. Then my group probably waited (sometimes as long as 10 minutes) on 15 other holes. More time between groups would have helped the flow. Maybe starting the Womens top card after the second card of men. Then starting the top card another 30 minutes after them.

4- A practice basket would have been nice for warm-up on Sunday.


I did have a good time, I did enjoy the courses, and I will be back.

Thanks for doing a great job!!!

Smitty

Is the Payout posted?

The par for the three layouts played by Open seems way off.

Par for Saturday's first round on Blackhawk was set at 62, with SSA at 54.8
Par for Saturday's second round on Redhawk was set at 60, with SSA at 50.8
Par for Sunday's round of 27 holes was set at 96, with SSA at 84.5.

:confused:

After the storms that have hit Tulsa in the last year ALOT of the trees limbs that were high up are on the ground now and all the tree's that had to be cut out.This has changed the par on the Hawks.

Thanks everybody. Just woke up from the long 10 hour drive home.
The club did a great job preparing the courses.

Fairways on every hole. You can see the destruction all over the
forest floor.

I will be back Thanks and see you again.

Thanks everybody. Just woke up from the long 10 hour drive home.
The club did a great job preparing the courses.

Fairways on every hole. You can see the destruction all over the
forest floor.

I will be back Thanks and see you again.



the course really did take a beating in the last 6 months
i hope gary nail got before and after pictures

not sure if he did but would love to see some

but i can tell you that when FEMA get involved in clearing out trees on a disc golf course it was pretty bad

lots of work
slack

THanks to everyone who put work into this event. I had a blast and enjoyed my stay all weekend. I do have a few suggestions for next year that I think would have made it even better. This just a bit of food for thought, so you can take it or leave it.

- No 3+ hour break between rounds. That was way too long.

- Do not make the "gold" flight for AM men wait around for 7 hours after they finish their round for awards. I would have stayed and watched the pro division finals anyway. For those that have family's to get home to it made for an unnecessarily long day.

- No junk Lightning plastic in our players package. That was extremely disappointing. It was an A-tier super tour, make it worth our money.

- Let us pick our payout. Pre-packaged payouts suck! 3 of the 4 discs in my payout will never see time in my bag. Let me choose what I take home.

- Provide some sort of party for the players on Saturday night. It would have been cool to have a place to get together with everyone on Saturday and hang out.

- Make sure the courses are mowed either before or after the round, not during. That was a major safety hazard and distraction for us on Saturday afternoon at McClure.

I will be back next year to play these great courses, but it would be nice to see a few of these things taken into consideration.

You can't improve if you do not know what people think.

Great job Wayne and everyone who helped pull this event off! Considering the ice storm and all the rain we had, I was really impressed with how Blackhawk and Redhawk turned out. Thanks for everyone that helped out on the courses and volunteered their time this last weekend.

- No junk Lightning plastic in our players package. That was extremely disappointing. It was an A-tier super tour, make it worth our money.



WOW!

We just joked that Wayne would actually do that...

Come on brother...you cannot run a rocket on diesel and you cannot win with lightning. Facts of life.