stack
Feb 14 2008, 02:12 PM
has anyone ever tried this for a tourney?

you have 2 groups (of ~60-70) players to fit on 1 course in the same day and have play 2 rounds.

would it be possibly to start GroupA @ 9am... last card of that group finishes by 11 so you start groupB @ that time... they finish by 1 so GroupA starts round 2 and they finish around 3 and groupB starts round 2 then.

im not advocating this as a standard or even good format... actually im not really advocating anything. Just curious to see if anyone has ever done anything like this. (obviously it'd have to be a shorter/easier course for finish times and during the longer days of summer for daylight).

Possible reason to do this... you have 120-140 people to fit on 1 course for 2 rounds in 1 day so they are all playing the same course and scores can be compared.

crotts
Feb 14 2008, 02:15 PM
did that in '05 at the Bowling Green Ams. it works but is a pain in the @ss. just use more courses

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Dana
Feb 14 2008, 02:25 PM
add more holes

cefire
Feb 14 2008, 02:26 PM
Calvert open near DC does that. Am's play in the early morning/early afternoon, Pro's late morning and late afternoon. Also I think I remember a few joliet tournaments doing this format as well???

Either way it seems to work for courses where a <2hr round could be played and obviously you gotta have a lot of sun.

discette
Feb 14 2008, 02:28 PM
This is a common format in So Cal. It is used when events do not want to hold Ams and Pros on separate weekends or do not have two courses in play.

This year on Saturday, Huntington Beach will have Pros playing 2 rounds at 8:00 and 1:00 and Ams playing 2 rounds at 10:30 and 3:30. Each pool takes turns playing 1 round on Sunday followed by a Final 9.

Evergreen Open has Pros play 2 rounds Saturday and 1 Sunday with the Ams playing 1 round on Saturday and 2 on Sunday.

Both events take place in April.

BTW, the entry form for the Huntington Beach Higher Flyers Memorial will be posted on the So Cal Website with the next update. Send me an email if you want the entry form right away.

Sharky
Feb 14 2008, 02:41 PM
BTW look for pros to play early this year at the Calvert Open, that gets rotated every year. Usually a few hearty souls try the ironman too (playing both am and pro in the same tournament).

johnbiscoe
Feb 14 2008, 02:48 PM
add more holes



tell those who didn't register in time to register sooner next year.

tbender
Feb 14 2008, 03:57 PM
tell those who didn't register in time to register sooner next year.



Second that.

Unless there are traditional extra holes, don't add more just to allow more players. (Some courses I've played are 18 and have 3 extras that get rolled out for big events.)

Jroc
Feb 14 2008, 05:15 PM
I feel like you shouldn't ever have more than 21 holes per round. Either add another course or cut off the registration.

I was at an event last year that filled before the tourney, but one women basically cried her way into the field the day of the event. So, we had a full tournament plus 1. Not that big of a deal....but for pete's sake, sign up early!! Needless to say, that tournament is pre-reg only this year :-)

DSilver
Feb 15 2008, 10:07 AM
I feel like you shouldn't ever have more than 21 holes per round.



You obviously have never played the DISC ROAST at the C.C. in North Carolina. 25 holes, 150 people, one round, and the best run tournament I have ever played.

If you have room, extra holes are a GOOD thing.

ck34
Feb 15 2008, 10:14 AM
For any player who's trying to shoot their personal best round rating ever, playing more than 18 holes will make it that much tougher with virtually no chance on 24 holes or more. Many of the complaints about round ratings looking like they are too low come from events where more than 18 holes are played.

stack
Feb 15 2008, 10:55 AM
first thanks for all the replies... was wondering if it was just a crazy idea bouncing in my brain or of people have actually used that format... good to know

and wasnt there a thread about that a while back chuck where someone said it could/would be easier to get a higher rating playing only 12 holes (the min. for pdga rating play)?

Jroc
Feb 15 2008, 04:34 PM
I have played a tournament with 27 holes each round that was very well run. The number of holes per round is not related to how well the tournament can be run. Extra holes are not bad. In my opinion, and round should have no more than 21 holes. Playing 21+ holes 2 or 3 times in a 2 day stretch is much different than competing for 21+ holes 2 or 3 times in a 2 day stretch. Just my preference here.

And, yes..there are several "what if" scenarios, but in general 21 holes per round at a sanctioned event is plenty.

johnbiscoe
Feb 15 2008, 05:00 PM
i agree that playing more than 18 is not an indicator of a poorly run event as long as that is the plan all along and it is publicized as such. what i take issue with is adding holes after the fact just to get more people in.

MTL21676
Feb 15 2008, 05:08 PM
i agree that playing more than 18 is not an indicator of a poorly run event as long as that is the plan all along and it is publicized as such. what i take issue with is adding holes after the fact just to get more people in.



100% agree.

Tarheel tournament has added holes every year but they are the same holes (and actually former holes on the course that were taken out b/c of a redesign and holes people loved), but it is advertised they are doing so.

Adding holes b/c more than 90 showed up is just silly and most of the time is a bad choice by the TD.

halton
Feb 15 2008, 06:04 PM
first thanks for all the replies... was wondering if it was just a crazy idea bouncing in my brain or of people have actually used that format... good to know

and wasnt there a thread about that a while back chuck where someone said it could/would be easier to get a higher rating playing only 12 holes (the min. for pdga rating play)?



why not have a 1 hole, par 1 tournament:
miss your putt, you lose, round rating 0
make your putt, you win, round rating <font color="blue">infinity </font>

riverdog
Feb 15 2008, 06:18 PM
add more holes



tell those who didn't register in time to register sooner next year.



And I agree as well. I've argued that point here in Yadkinville at every tourney where we have had temp holes in order to accomodate more people. In my opinion you aren't doing anyone a favor. The extra holes invariably alter the character of the course and usually adversely affect flow. Put in your pin positions, rack 'em up and break with 72 folks who cared enough to plan ahead.

craigramsdell
Feb 15 2008, 09:40 PM
You obviously have never played the DISC ROAST at the C.C. in North Carolina. 25 holes, 150 people, one round, and the best run tournament I have ever played.

If you have room, extra holes are a GOOD thing.



And the best party I rarely recall...

riverdog
Feb 15 2008, 10:08 PM
But it takes a whole year to recover, uhhmm, build up strength to play that 25 holes again. And the Fun Meter is in the red the whole time. :D :cool::cool::cool:

DSilver
Feb 16 2008, 02:12 AM
TTrue Story!

Mighty_Matt
Feb 16 2008, 08:59 PM
has anyone ever tried this for a tourney?

you have 2 groups (of ~60-70) players to fit on 1 course in the same day and have play 2 rounds.

would it be possibly to start GroupA @ 9am... last card of that group finishes by 11 so you start groupB @ that time... they finish by 1 so GroupA starts round 2 and they finish around 3 and groupB starts round 2 then.

im not advocating this as a standard or even good format... actually im not really advocating anything. Just curious to see if anyone has ever done anything like this. (obviously it'd have to be a shorter/easier course for finish times and during the longer days of summer for daylight).

Possible reason to do this... you have 120-140 people to fit on 1 course for 2 rounds in 1 day so they are all playing the same course and scores can be compared.



it don't work! Just ask anyone at the Z-boaz open today. 1st group (advanced) hit the course at 7:30 and did not finish till 11:30. second group (open, int., rec) tee'd off very shortly after. had to take a 30 min. weather delay but still did not finish till aft. 4. it's 6:20 now and I am sure the advanced group is still playing their 2nd round.
My advice: GET 2 COURSES, ADD HOLES TO THE ONE YOU HAVE, OR LIMIT THE FIELD!

Mighty_Matt
Feb 16 2008, 09:06 PM
Maybe in the summer but not in Feb. Just not enough light.

curt
Feb 18 2008, 12:09 AM
I would actually disagree with the above about Z-boaz, sort of. While the original plan of 4 rounds on Saturday did no even come close to happening. I really enjoyed the format that ended up happening. Saturday the adv played 2 rounds with everyone else playing 1. Then the opposite happened today. It was interesting and I enjoyed being able to watch the pros have a go at the course. I may have felt differently if I'd had to play 2 rounds on Sunday though. Also, there is inherently a lot of waiting around to start your round in this format, because you have no real idea when each round will start.

Chainiac
Feb 18 2008, 09:48 AM
has anyone ever tried this for a tourney?

you have 2 groups (of ~60-70) players to fit on 1 course in the same day and have play 2 rounds.

would it be possibly to start GroupA @ 9am... last card of that group finishes by 11 so you start groupB @ that time... they finish by 1 so GroupA starts round 2 and they finish around 3 and groupB starts round 2 then.

This was tried about 3 years ago here for the Menasha Open. I think there was 20 holes that year. Pros went first &amp; third while the Adv &amp; Int went second &amp; fourth. Each round went longer than expected and by the fourth (and final) round the TD decided to have the AMs throw from the short pads to speed things up. By the end of the day the tournament was a good 2 hours behind. If you're going to try this I'd suggest moving up the start of the tournament. Instead of a 9:00 start at 8:30 or even 8:00 if you can. Every little bit helps and if you find yourself on-time you can always give the time back at lunch if you want to.

Jroc
Feb 19 2008, 02:32 PM
The Riverside Glide in Tulsa OK uses this format every year. Of course, its in the middle of the summer on a "pitch and putt" type, so things run on time pretty well.

Bottom line, it can work

suemac
Feb 19 2008, 02:35 PM
Isn't Capital Of Texas run on one course with about 150 players? It is in May.