When can I preregister? :D

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/redneck_dogs_570.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=redneck_dogs_570.jpg)
"Where's that nude golfer? We're itchin' to sign up for this yeer's WVO!"

the susi triplets???

You beat me to it this year Jerry!!! I think I started the WVO post the last 2 years. How many days left?????????? I think I might just head down now.

*cough* Pro/Am

I keep checking the website, but no registration yet! :(

And the one in the middle definitely has Susi's eyes!

*cough* Pro/Am



*cough* just play pro.

*cough* am Spring / *cough* pro SEPTEMBER!!!!

Play both if ya can, its double the fun :D

Beat me to it!!!!

*cough* am Spring / *cough* pro SEPTEMBER!!!!

Play both if ya can, its double the fun :D

Beat me to it!!!!




With that being said where is info on the Am Champs? I went last year and it was awesome!!!!!!! I will be going again this year, and hopefully not be the only Ohio representative.

A little bird told me that the nude golfer would open registration once the VO is filled.... :D

when is this tournament>?

labor day weekend

www.westvirginiaopen.com (http://www.westvirginiaopen.com)

labor day weekend

www.westvirginiaopen.com (http://www.westvirginiaopen.com)



That's the web site, however, the online registration is for last yeer's event...... :mad:

Hello All, Just so everyone know we attend to open up online registration on April 1 (NO JOKE). Over the past several yeers' we have used mollyguard/eventbrite to register players online. At the beginning of this year they increased their fees close to 15%. With that said we have started to create our owe online e-cart. I am hoping to have this site up soon so all of you can start planning the menus and what all you need to bring.

Is Clothing Optional ?????

deep in the secret bunker under the woodshed, we find west virginny web security...

http://shockingbird.com/images/redneck_computer.jpg

where do i send my check? ;)

Looks like they got sum new ee-kwip-munt!

Hey Sports fans....The WVO and WVC registration will open at the Anniversary Tournament on May 3 & 4, 2008.

This gives the Anniversary Tournament players first priority to sign up for the WVO and WVC.

On-Line Registration will oopen up on Monday May 5th for all those other deadbeats that don't show up for some cross-dressing doubles!

See you all in drag on May 3 & 4!!!

http://www.kk.org/streetuse/handsfree.jpg

Be advised WVO organizers are already hard at work.

http://www.kk.org/streetuse/handsfree.jpg

Be advised WVO organizers are already hard at work.



It's nice to see hands-free technology has made it to Paw Paw. :D

Paw Paw News the West Virginia Championships and West Virginia Open will open up online registration May 5th 2008. Anyone who attends Spencer and Gabi's 10th wedding anniversary the weekend of May 3rd & 4th can register in person early (While you dress in drag). All Hole Sponsors can contact me for special information to register now before everyone else.

Sponsorships has it's privileges!

Last weekend we cut a bunch of trees out in Paw Paw ... (that had fallen) Plus cleared several fairway that had stumps on Whippin' Post with Spencer tractor. Come on out this weekend and celebrate Spencer and Gabi 10th Wedding Anniversary. Anyone who shows up can beat the Monday rush on registration for WVC & WVO.



Saturday Golf -
Dinner - Pig Butt provided buy our Hosts - Just bring a side dish to share


Sunday - Mixed Alt Doubles
Bring person of opposite sex or bring a dress and get ready of this yeers' Drag Queen

Well it's that time of yeer again. After a great weekend celebrating Spencer and Gabi's 10th Wedding Anniversary with wonderful weather. We have opened up registration for WVC and WVO - go to www.westvirginiachampionships.com (http://www.westvirginiachampionships.com) or www.westvirginiaopen.com (http://www.westvirginiaopen.com) click REGISTER ONLINE to link you to site.

We will see you in Paw Paw West Virginia

I sent out a mass email the other night that may take a while for some of you to receive due to our server is low on space.

Signed up today!

Dave, Great to hear your coming home from the left coast. We are looking forward to a former MPM Champion visiting again to challenge the reining Four time MPM Champion.

Howdy Tone Tone

Just saw Jim last weekend at the Master's Cup. Looking forward to heading back to Wap Wap! DD

Quick question of etiquette -- would love feedback:

I played some great golf and won the WVAm Championship last year. I would love to go back and play again this year -- it is one of the most fun tournaments I've ever been to, and by all PDGA rules I'm totally eligible (still an Am, below a 970 rating, have never accepted cash, etc...)

I don't want to move up to Pro until I get a chance to compete in Am Worlds, but that hasn't happened yet.

I did play in the WVOpen Championships last year and got my butt kicked (came in 43rd) -- though I shot exactly the same total score as I did in the Am event.

I looked back through past scores, and the score I won with last year (203+finals) was the highest score ever to win Advanced... the WVO has taken place five years, and in the other years I would have placed anywhere from 3rd to 7th with that score. Winners were usually 6-8 strokes better than I shot. And we had perfect weather last year, so I know that wasn't a consideration.

All that said, I don't want to play Advanced again if it will offend/p*ss-off/etc... the disc golf community up here. I love PawPaw and want to play out there any chance I can -- so my hope is to play both WV tourneys this year just for the course, the people, the beauty of the place, and the hospitality of Spencer and Gabi.

So thoughts on whether or not it is in bad taste to play this year after winning last year? I value the community of disc golfers more than I value the technical rules that I know allow me to play. But if it's socially acceptable to play again, I can't wait to get out PawPaw.

Thanks all.

I got called a bagger for rolling in intermediate with a 845 rating last weeekend. :eek:
that was all in good fun and in a joking manner, and if its not, then those peeps claiming bagging are just a-holes in general. Rating cutoffs are there for a reason, as cutoffs.

so, with that said Tim, you should play dood... defend that title. tourneys are for exactly what you mentioned... fun, friends, and the joys that come with competitive disc golf. who cares what everyone else thinks?!? Socially acceptable is you WANTING to go to Paw Paw because you have a blast there. Are you going to ask this question again next year when your rating is 979? NO, because you wont be able to play PawPaw Am then and miss a tourney you clearly care about.

I totally disagree with the rating cutoffs but thats for another thread. You are able to play now by all accounts, technical and other. Sign up and defend that title. thats my $.02

move up, bagger!

play the open.
so what if you cash. you can take merch i think.
so what if you don't cash. is the event not worth the entry even if $$$ weren't there to be won?

since it is pro only, there will be plenty of mullets playing up to keep you competitive even if you don't shoot lights out and cash.

fwiw, i won advanced at the june event back when it was pro/am. i didn't shoot that well, but good enough to win. i've played open at paw paw ever since. i've gotten destroyed every time but i have no regrets (only a bunch of excuses /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif ). i'll have a decent showing there again sooner or later. hopefully before i'm eligible for the old man division. when that decent showing happens, i certainly don't want it to be in the bagger division.

He said he wants to play both events, what are you talking about MD123456 :confused:
BTW I'm playing the Open but also plan to register for the am event as an advanced master, do I have your blessing on that? :p

To clarify: If both events were the same weekend, I would definitely sign up for Pro. As it is, since they are several months apart, I'm hoping to play both events. I'm not so much concerned about winning or losing -- I just want the chance to play two competitive PDGA events at one of the greatest courses in the nation.

PawPaw is just one of those places that is good for the soul -- its two great courses, but more than that it is a place where the Milky Way is blinding, and road noise, airplanes, etc... are lost in the distance and the tranquility of a summer night is a balm for any frustration.

I really can't imagine not loving being out there -- my first round ever at PawPaw was last June -- my first PDGA tourney in more than 4 years -- I started the event with a triple putt 4, a 6, a 5, a 6, and I don't remember from there. Nine strokes up in four holes is a humbling way to start back after a long hiatus from disc golf -- but its such an amazing place it is impossible to get upset.

A bad round at PawPaw is more fun than a great round almost anywhere else.

I'm hoping to play both events. I'm not so much concerned about winning or losing -- I just want the chance to play two competitive PDGA events at one of the greatest courses in the nation.



and thats why I said you should sign up. Play twice a year while you can. :D

Even if you don't play in the tourney Tim, come on up. I'll be up from probably Thursday through the weekend and I'll probably be needing someone to battle in between caddying for the monk.

Rule #1 of Paw Paw revised?: "If you are caddying rather than playing in the event you REALLY did not bring enough beer" :)

cefire,
Right now I'm thinking I'll just sign up and if I start playing too well, a couple of cold ones between rounds should fix that. And I don't mind playing 100+ holes in a day, so I'll be glad to keep you on your toes -- I think PawPaw would be a perfect place for a battle. I'm just hoping to get some time to play between now and then.

Between travel, moving, and injury, I haven't thrown a disc in more than a month... doesn't feel like spring/summer without a disc in hand. Which is a great reason to be at PawPaw -- no distractions from the discs. :-)

aS Of tOdAy, tHeRe'S one LESS sPoT aVaiLabLe iN ThE oLd mENs diViSiOn... :D

are we there yet?

87 days away :eek:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/hillbilly.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=hillbilly.jpg)

Doubles? :D

70 days...

our newest edition to camp baltimore. mobile grange eat our dust!
http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jan2001/RedneckMotorHome.jpg

West Virginia Championships (AM Event) June 21st & 22nd

The courses are looking wonderful lots of hard work to get them ready (Spence, Gabi, Susi, Bart, Pinkie, Larry)

Susi Trophies are again truly works of ART! You may have a chance to take one home.

We a spots available come on out, camp and enjoy your self this weekend with great golf.

We have Official WV SIPPY CUPS Available for the true Field Flopping experience.

Scores?

kevin clark won advanced, sheila teves advanced ladies- no idea on scores though- turnout was rumored to be so-so.

Quick summary of a great WV Am weekend: low turnout was surprising (shocking, really) for a stunningly beautiful West Virginia weekend.

best round shot on the Woodshed -- three scores came in at 65 first round (Devin Deebo, Will Bach (the Otto), and ?); three scores came in at 66 in the third round (slightly harder layout -- Kevin Clark, Tim Haynes, Doug Markovich (spelling?)
best round shot on the Whipping Post -- a 65 by Doug...

Best tournament total prior to the finals was 70, 67, 66 for a total of 203, shot by Doug (who -- along with two other guys -- took a two stroke penalty in the first round when his card played the course out of order).

Kevin (Pinky) Clark wins men's advanced in a close final 9, taking a birdie 3 after a double-bankshot off the barn and a power-meter to park WS18 (second to last playoff hole) to move a stroke ahead from what had been a three way tie for the lead (Kevin, Tim, Doug). Great shooting, Kevin. He made the highlight reel throughout the finals by outdriving the rest of us by 150'+ on Tony's Valley (WP14), and similarly impressive distances on several other holes -- Pinky's got a cannon.

Sheila Teves wins women's advanced by a comfortable margin over Sandal in a small division.

Not sure about the Intermediate winner -- not a player I know.

Huge, huge thanks goes first and foremost to Spencer and Gabi for the most fun place I know of to spend a disc golf weekend; and to Tony Ellis for running the tournament; and to Mark Susi for emceeing and making the sweetest trophies for any tournament in disc golf, Larry for spotting, and countless folks who got the courses and the tournament in the shape it is today.

I had a great time getting to know some new folks and playing with some great guys -- Pinky, Doug, Will, Deebo, Nick, Konrad, and others...

now I'm looking forward to the WVOpen later this year -- the BEST Tourney of the year, so get out there and get all your friends to sign up. Any chance to play PawPaw is not to be missed.

West Virginia Am slide show! (http://www.sharkysshots.com/displayimage.php?album=127&pid=6392&slideshow=5000 )

Look who's registered with the PDGA again. Funny looking ratings ;) Paw Paw round 1..... 1004. I'm guessing he's on his way to Paw Paw already.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament/player_ratings_detail.php?PDGANum=2003&year=2006

it wasn't the same without him...

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/redneckgames.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=redneckgames.jpg)

Picture above is JG's Kuzen

We just wanted to inform you there is less then 60 days till
we celebrate the 15th West Virginia Open PRO Event in Paw Paw, WV held
August 30th and 31st, 2008.

Guys you will need to register in the within the next 30 days to save 20 bucks!

Our Full field is 144 total players, playing in Foursomes. Currently we have
90 Spots available 45 for OPEN PRO Players and 45 Babes, Old and Really OLD
Players

Goto NGW website to register online you can also Sponsor a Hole and Receive Official
WV Sippy Cup with Secret Recipes...see one here - www.NudeGolfWhere.com (http://www.NudeGolfWhere.com) - then click 2008 WVO PRO

Susi, has again, created trophies (disc art) that outshine the previous
year's trophies...

Please don't use online mapping services i.e. (Yahoo,Mapquest,Google) they
are not correct!!!! Use linked PDF map with written directions
http://westvirginiaopen.com/PDF/MaptoPawPaw.pdf

Friday August 29th BYOP Doubles will be starting at 10:00 am $50.00 per team
Two Rounds, one on each course.


Player CHECK IN is REQUIRED at Woodshed by 8:30 am Saturday Morning August
30th . As soon as you arrive locate your player card on score board sign it
give the card to staff. 8:31 the waiting list is opened; any player not
attending will receive a refunded only if player on waiting takes their
spot.


Music all week by Trappasso All Stars
Clothing Optional Round - TBA
Sunday Night Field Flopping Contest - Points will be awarded for style,
form, tek-neek and location.
Jousting will happen if Kevin Stewart brings his lance.
Camp PA is threatening to rename Camp MD to "Camp No Show"

Returning to the nightly fun at the WVO this year:

Glow Bocce (in the Reading family tradition!)
Glow Lawn Jarts
Glow Discgolf
LED Ta-Keel-Ahhhhh shot glasses
World famous stuffed cherry peppers!

All this and more, sponsored by Camp PA!

LVDC rules!

Music all week by Trappasso All Stars
Clothing Optional Round - TBA
Sunday Night Field Flopping Contest - Points will be awarded for style,
form, tek-neek and location.
Jousting will happen if Kevin Stewart brings his lance.
Camp PA is threatening to rename Camp MD to "Camp No Show"



:D :D :D

Just got back from Paw Paw yesterday. I have never seen so many ticks in my life!!! And the Gnats were intense even in the woods. Shot a 28 on the front 9 or the Whipping Post.....2,3,3,3,3,4,3,3,4 My best ever front 9!! 62 to finish and a 67 on the Woodshed. Scout followed me around all day along with my dog. Beautiful weather.

"I have never seen so many ticks in my life!!!"

Early arrivals for Camp PA no doubt. Go Maryland!! DD

"I have never seen so many ticks in my life!!!"

Early arrivals for Camp PA no doubt. DD


We ordered them special to keep the couple of MD campers company. :D

Just got back from Paw Paw yesterday. I have never seen so many ticks in my life!!! And the Gnats were intense even in the woods. Shot a 28 on the front 9 or the Whipping Post.....2,3,3,3,3,4,3,3,4 My best ever front 9!! 62 to finish and a 67 on the Woodshed. Scout followed me around all day along with my dog. Beautiful weather.



Great shooting on both courses. That is probably a 1050-rated front nine. I'm surprised you saw a lot of ticks. When I was out there a few weeks ago, I only found one the whole weekend.

Anyway, I'm hoping to keep this thread near the top -- I don't know who all is signed up already, but this is on the short list of best tournaments I know of, so I'm encouraging everyone who can drive/fly/bike/walk/crawl to West Virginia to get out there. You will find no more hospitable place or fun weekend than the WVO. It's one of the most pristine and beautiful places I know of to camp and is a weekend that is simply good for the soul.

I know it's pro only, but if you are an Am, come on out and play up -- I did it last year and got to play on cards with some of the top touring pros as well as some great local pros. And the relaxed time with friends -- old and new -- from all over is just awesome.

If you have any questions about the courses, event, travel, lodging, etc... don't hesitate to ask.

Hope to see you there. :cool:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/bump1.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=bump1.jpg)

""I have never seen so many ticks in my life!!!"

Early arrivals for Camp PA no doubt. Go Maryland!! DD "

You must be talking about the eastern side of the state :)

The course mascot decided that my backpack was a good place to sleep for the night.

http://img3.glowfoto.com/images/2008/07/17-0759162724T.jpg (http://www.glowfoto.com/viewimage.php?img=17-075916L&y=2008&m=07&t=jpg&rand=2724&srv=img3)

Just back from a great weekend at Paw Paw.Played 2 rounds Sat with a break for swimming down in the Potomac in between. 6 of us had the place to ourselves all weekend, besides Spencer and family. 1 or 2 ticks jumped on us when we got near the MD flag!

Scout was with us the whole time.

1 more round this morning, a dip in the pond, and off we went!

38 days till breaking ground at camp baltimore.

When do the entry fees jump up in price?? Trying to figure out how quickly I need to send my money in.

Tack on twenty bucks for registrations dated August 1 and after.....

Get yo money in now! :D

i'm in!

me too

i'm in as well.
bump to the top.

most fun tourney of the year, so get out there if you can.

http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/normal_IMG_2494.JPG

Today is Cousin Day! Whooo Weee

So all WV brethren turn and Kiss your Spouse / Cousin

We now have 7 Days left for your discounted entry fee, So register now
online at www.NudeGolfWhere.com (http://www.NudeGolfWhere.com) or you can fill out form and send it via
snail mail www.westvirginiaopen.com/PDF/15WVOflyerfront.pdf (http://www.westvirginiaopen.com/PDF/15WVOflyerfront.pdf)

This yeer hole sponsors will receive Official WV Sippy Cup - with Secret
Recipes

Please don't use online mapping services i.e. (Yahoo,Mapquest,Google) they
are not correct use linked PDF map with written directions

http://westvirginiaopen.com/PDF/MaptoPawPaw.pdf

Friday August 29th BYOP Doubles will be held on Friday starting at 10:00 am
$50.00 per team Two Rounds one on each course


Player CHECK IN is REQUIRED at Woodshed by 8:30 am Saturday Morning August
30th . As soon as you arrive locate your player card on score board sign it
give the card to staff. 8:31 the waiting list is opened; any player not
attending will receive a refunded only if player on waiting takes their
spot.


Music all week by Trappasso All Stars
Clothing Optional Round - TBA
Sunday Night Field Flopping Contest - Points will be awarded for style,
form, tek-neek and location.

This yeer hole sponsors will receive Official WV Sippy Cup - with Secret
Recipes




I can't wait to try these recipes! And a Tah-Keel-Lah sippy cup, WHOOOOOEEYY!

I tried my Sponsor Sippy Cup out at few weekends ago -- all I can say is that those recipes will do a little Wap Wap of their own to your head and to your score. Great fun and a perfect sippy cup -- the recipes are great. So everyone sponsor the tourney -- best sponsor thank you I've ever gotten.

Camp PA: Putting tequila in sponsorship sippy cups since ;) 1842!

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/bump3.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=bump3.jpg)

30 days!

if my shoulder doesn't get better by then i'm going to be double fisting with my sponsorship sippy cup and morgan county big cup trophy all weekend long.

<<< potential caddy for hire.

dark and stormy--
1/2 dark rum (myers' or goslings)
1/2 ginger beer (barritt's bermuda stone is the bestest)
serve on ice w/ a lemon wedge

yummy

Does the Masters div. play the Woodshed twice this year?

37 hours left to preregister before they add $20 the entry fee. I'll be paying tonight sometime. Can't believe I waited so long figuring I was the first person signed up last year.

Does the Masters div. play the Woodshed twice this year?



i believe so.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/bump2.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=bump2.jpg)

Does the Masters div. play the Woodshed twice this year?



My understanding is that it alternates, and I know Masters played The Whipping Post twice last year, so yes -- it will be the Woodshed this year.

So if you're on the fence between the open and master's division for signup, just pick the course you want to play twice and sign up that way.

no way are pitts and his fake i.d. playing open...

I'm in. And I noticed Tony hasn't tacked on the $20 fee yet for late registrations. So you better sign up NOW!!!

The best tournament anywhere - and we get to eat Marie's cooking.

I am leaving after work and going out to Paw Paw to work on the courses this weekend . I have not had time to manual adjust the $20 increase. I am guessing there will the be a mad rush to register online!

I am in :D

OK folks. Tourney is less than four weeks away and is barely half full. Some people are holding out and need to make plans now.

The most fun tourney in the country (ask anyone who's played), and it's not sold out. Pure insanity. So if you're on the fence, visit the site, read the history, read the comments in this thread, and realize you are supposed to be there. See you in WV.

I am in :D



for now :o

Whoop! registration is up 12 people since I posted yesterday, eight of those in MPO. Let's see that curve keep climbing! Eight-eight players in as of this post.

Which means there are still ~11,900 PDGA members still undecided about attending the best event of the year. :(

hopefully about 30 more of them who are older than 40 and suck at disc golf will get off the fence...

Cancelled the Worlds due to heavy work, but no way am I canceling Wap Wap! Already counting the days until that sheet itting grin that grows bigger as the road gets smaller starts to spread across my face. Freeway, Highway, 2 lane, paved, dirt, driveway, trail, park and play. So simple and so shhhweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/normal_IMG_2643.JPG

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/DSC05192.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=DSC05192.jpg)

^^^^^^^^
GORGEOUS!

Is the big pile of debris gone? Say it isn't so! I will never forget saving 3 from behind that thing on 12 after a horrid drive during the remnants of a tropical storm.

See ya soon.
http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/Sharks_shots/pawpaw/wvo20040071.jpg

big pile gets burned once a year- usually at the wvo if conditions permit.

http://www.sharkysshots.com/albums/userpics/10002/normal_IMG_5288.JPG

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/2blackdogscopy.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=2blackdogscopy.jpg)

I'm here, always lurking....

Since I turned 45, I guess I grew out of posting my well thought out quips on this microcosm of the disc golf world.

I haven't posted on here for sooo long, my user names and PW's don't seem to work anymore....so I have to live vicariously through the key board of Nude golfer.

So, final word...

Leave me alone and just let me DRINK!

Thanks for posting the picture Sharky. Watch out Susi, or you might drink your ear off like I did!! Cheers, DD

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/WhippinPostHole13.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=WhippinPostHole13.jpg)

are we there yet?

i can already taste the pizza rolls.

http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l363/craigg_4010/weddingphotos033.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/DSC02249-1.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=DSC02249-1.jpg)

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/DSC02251-1.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=DSC02251-1.jpg)

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/DSC02252-1.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=DSC02252-1.jpg)

13 days til I hit the road for Paw Paw.

Okay.....here's one of the worst excuses for not attending this year's West Virginia Open (this Pittsburgher used the same excuse last year, too...)

<font color="blue"> "I can't go because my fantasy football draft is that same weekend." </font>

Lame! :)

http://pix.epodunk.com/locatorMaps/wv/WV_279669.gif

we always have to move our draft for me to go to the woodshed.

The 15th West Virginia Open is right around the corner only 10 days away and we just wanted to outline the events. SPOTS are still available currently there are 55 Open Pro players and 53 Babes, Old guys and Really Old Guys a full field is 72 per course.
http://www.westvirginiaopen.com/ - then click Register Online logon a new member and you can pay with Pay Pal or Credit Card

Please don't use online mapping services ie (yahoo,mapquest,google) they are not correct use http://www.westvirginiaopen.com/PDF/MaptoPawPaw.pdf PDF map with written directions

Friday August 29th BYOP Doubles will be held on Friday starting at 10:00 am $50.00 per team Two Rounds one on each course

Friday Night Barn Music

Player check in is REQUIRED at Woodshed by 8:30 am Saturday Morning September 2nd. As soon as you arrive locate your player card on score board sign it give the card to staff then pick up your player package. 8:31 the waiting list is opened any player not checked in will receive a refunded if player on waiting takes their spot.

Saturday Night Barn Music

Startin to Grin...plane leaves in one week. Big question...can I find my umbrella? It hasn't rained here in about 4 months :cool:

http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l363/craigg_4010/misc5105-1.jpg

Hey Dave, I found you a date. Just knock gently at the Mobile Grange Unit..........

thet shur iz a purty wuman

got a purty mouth don she?

I that a squirrel in his skirt or is he just happy to see me?

Both!!

I see Kevin Stewart is signed up - did he get a hall pass? I hope he brings salsa :)

I see Kevin Stewart is signed up -



Nice! Camp Ohio just wasn't the same without Kevin.

Popular quotes from recent yeers:

2006 ~ "That's a courtesy violation!"

2007 ~ "What would Kevin do?"

yay kevin!

Hey Biscoe, I was hoping to check out Hawk Hollow on Wed or Thurs when I am in town. Is it an easy course to follow??

168 hrs till i'm out the door! :)

Hey Biscoe, I was hoping to check out Hawk Hollow on Wed or Thurs when I am in town. Is it an easy course to follow??



not too bad but not the easiest either- i can arrange for a tour guide i'm sure with a bit of notice.

http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l363/craigg_4010/misc5114.jpg

Course ziggy aint as purty as Michelle............but put a skirt on her and kinda squint yer ahhhhhs

she'll be looking fine by sunday night...

NOTE CURRENTLY IN BERKELEY SPRINGS,WV THERE IS HOSTAGE NEGOTIATIONS ON GOING


http://your4state.com/content/fulltext/?cid=26961

Any one planning to drive to Paw Paw this weekend to practice before 15th WVO. The bridge in Berkeley Springs once you get off of ROUTE 70 going to ROUTE 522 is CLOSED!

Alternate Route ROUTE 81 south to ROUTE 9 towards Berkeley Springs, Turn Right Route 522, Turn Left Route 9 at (7-11)

yuk yuk yuk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rjIrNRVlXo

is it thursday yet?

hostage, cousin and baby safe (http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=8889668&amp;nav=0RaQ)

are we there yet? :D

Getting ready to print my boarding pass....I'm leaving, on a jet plane :)

Can't wait for the road to start narrowing. Happy Trails to all fellow travelers, CYA SOON!! DD

testing...we may try to do play by play for the final...http://westvirginiaopen.com/WOOD/shedhole1_2B.JPG

...using carrier pigeons? :D

verizon wireless modem- seems to work better than my cell phone under almost all circumstances, since i have a cell phone signal up there i'm figuring i'll be able to pull it off.(says the man with the crossed fingers)

find the highest point (near the bonfire pile near WS14-16?)and have someone relay the play by play with a walkie talkie.

WV Walkie Talkie = Soup Cans + String

What's the latest on the Berkley Springs detour? Going to be leaving for WV in about 36 hours.

Here is the headquarters for the live scoring at Paw Paw. (as posted before)http://shockingbird.com/images/redneck_computer.jpg

Biscoe........are you gonna circle the shots like you have above? If so, you should trey different colors for each golfer. Would be sweet to see some live coverage at Paw Paw.


not sure if cameras are allowed at the penis jousting competition

Roads in Hancock are all clear... Just watch out for Mobil homes stuck in the middle of the road!

5 Open Spots still available

11 Spots still available for Babes, Old Guys and Really Old Guys


www.westvirginiaopen.com (http://www.westvirginiaopen.com)

photo courtesy #3956 on our local website...
http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff323/BluemonTimber/Paw%20Paw/pawpaw15percent.jpg

are we there yet? :cool:

^ ^ ^ ^

Nice shot.....amazing how flat the property looks in that satellite image. Of course, those who know, know...

It's gonna be a good weekend! :)

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/redneck_pics_dog.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=redneck_pics_dog.jpg)

Biscoe........are you gonna circle the shots like you have above? If so, you should trey different colors for each golfer. Would be sweet to see some live coverage at Paw Paw.




I think John was highlighting the 3 pin positions for hole 1...but I like the idea of showing shots with different colors.

that's just how tony had it in his course tour- since we're trying it at a somewhat late juncture those will be the photos used. i lack the know-how to do much more complicated- no dots here. i'm just hoping for something resembling chuck's play by plays from worlds, technology permitting. if it works ok we may get more ambitious for the HHO.

testing...we may try to do play by play for the final...http://westvirginiaopen.com/WOOD/shedhole1_2B.JPG



the trees in that pic are considerably bigger now.

Wow...hard to believe a whole year has gone by.......

I like how the pond on hole 1 is as green as the grass!!!!! I bet Bear doesn't even like going in that pond.

And the Whipping post looks funny, woods, woods woods, woods, oh there's Chloes Run...woods woods woods

chris r. said there was one pond at marshall st he wouldn't go in (bear that is) after he cut his willy first time in.

I think that was 16. I went in early Sun. a.m. to retrieve my Teebird, emerging with willy intact.

It has just been brought to my attention that a typo on this yeers' flyer that states "(includes all extraneous fees and Dinner on Saturday night)" It was supposed to be corrected, Oh Well. Should have said "(includes all extraneous fees)" that means PDGA Player FEES, Sanction FEES, Event Insurance, Green FEES and Dons John FEES. I am truly Sorry. Please plan accordingly Dinner will NOT be provided on Saturday Night.

I will be heading out to Paw Paw After work Thursday Night. At this point and time the only way to contact me will be by Cell 7O3-863-7243

Remember Do not us MAP QUEST, GOOGLE and YAHOO MAPS

http://westvirginiaopen.com/PDF/MaptoPawPaw.pdf

Friday August 29th BYOP Doubles will be held on Friday starting at 10:00 am
$50.00 per team Two Rounds one on each course


Player CHECK IN is REQUIRED at Woodshed by 8:30 am Saturday Morning August
30th . As soon as you arrive locate your player card on score board sign it
give the card to staff.

Music all week by Trappasso All Stars - Also Jumping Jack Flash (Get Outta the Fire!)
Clothing Optional Round - TBA
Sunday Night Field Flopping Contest - Points will be awarded for style,
form, tek-neek and location.

Pizza Rolls are on order (not pepperoni rolls)...they will be delivered on Friday Morn before doubles. Trophies are finished
and looking a smooth as glass.

hopefully Fay will get in and get out before Fri.!!!!

Any other Mixed Doubles teams coming out on Fri to challenge the reigning champs? Kelly and I will be waiting.

Bring an extra pillow for me...case I end up sleeping with you.

Love

Teescum

I like how the pond on hole 1 is as green as the grass!!!!! I bet Bear doesn't even like going in that pond.



I noticed that as well! Especially because my (now) wife went swimming around in there a few years back for her prized 150 10x Cheetah. She pulled out about 30-40 discs, including an '01 CE roc. You couldn't get me in there to save my life!

dan- when did you guys get hitched? belated congrats.

Did the ROC say "MINE" or "Tone Tone" I lost one years ago playing Hole 10 long tee to right pin and have not gone in the pond to retrieve it.

dan- when did you guys get hitched? belated congrats.



Thanks John, sorry I didn't get word to you sooner! Ceremony in Tahoe April 19, reception in Cville May 3, honeymoon next week!


Did the ROC say "MINE" or "Tone Tone" I lost one years ago playing Hole 10 long tee to right pin and have not gone in the pond to retrieve it.



Sorry Tony, not the same one. This one had a female's name and number on it. One of the Paw Paw regulars recognized the name and promised to get it back to her. All other found discs were turned in to the lost and found. Sara remembers finding a few that said "Mine," and when she'd come up with a disc and everyone asked whose it was, she read the name. They were confused when she unexcitedly threw it to the shore and keep looking...

Those discs were mine!

just a little down home fun to get you ready... jesco's family at play (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7313007786357718176&amp;ei=9aq1SJX3KZS UrgL31YnwDA&amp;q=jesco+white&amp;vt=lf)

i need someone to teach me to imbed you tube vids on this thing.

<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZX0F1fGEfKA&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZX0F1fGEfKA&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

This will be my 1st WVO and its long overdue. The Hammer and I will start the journey in @ 16 hours 45 minutes and 12 seconds.......
But who's counting.

Peace out all and may your trip be a safe one. See you there!

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff323/BluemonTimber/Misc/treehouse.jpg
Set up camp high and dry

I am as ready for the WVO as the WVU Mountaineers are for game day opening kickoff! It's over for Nova!!

http://www.post-gazette.com/images4/20061115mf_wvu9x_450.jpg

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff323/BluemonTimber/Misc/treehouse.jpg
Set up camp high and dry



Nice Highrise!

Not Pizza Rolls, Pepperoni Rolls!!
http://www.roadfood.com/photos/8722.jpg

P I Z Z A R O L L S.......YUM :D:p <font color="green"> </font>

http://i536.photobucket.com/albums/ff323/BluemonTimber/Misc/GasGrill.jpg
Are the best vittles cooked with Firewood, Charcoal or West Virginia Gas?

no play by play sunday- i have not had time to set it up between work and a death in my extended family.

no play by play sunday- i have not had time to set it up between work and a death in my extended family.



john,
sorry to hear about the death in the family. hoping to still see you this weekend. blessings, my friend.

no play by play sunday- i have not had time to set it up between work and a death in my extended family.



Sorry to hear about that John.
Hope you and Deanne are OK.

Aren't the pars on the two courses up around 64 or so?

Go Minotaur Tony Ellis!!! I always root for the TD!

Go Biscoe!!! Make the finals buddy!

Go Rusty Von, James, and Jim Conrad too, our lone locals reps!

heard from Hofmann that Markus got like 6 shots on Mose in the morning and pretty much cruised to the win in the final 9

Scores are posted. Finally in Tony's last appearance as TD for the WV Open the scores are posted before the alchohol(most of the alcohol) is consumed.

So sorry you could not be hear we really miss you guys.

What's that I hear.?

Oh, it must be the band

Gotta go!

Which pools played what courses and what was the par on them?

I went and put the pars at 66 for both courses and had Open Men and Women on Wood-Whip-Wood and the other two divisions on the opposite course.

Howdy Chucker!

In keeping with the general Paw Paw mentality (we will punish you early and often and then some) it was kinda nice having everyone over par. Why not? If we can pretend that -100 is legitimate then why not have +100??

Mucho thanks to Spencer, Gabby, Tony, Susi, Trapasso and all the others who do so much for this event. It is always memorable. Was it worth the 3000 mile trip? If you have to ask you aint never bin ther. Cheers, DD

I was just going by the listed par on the website for Woodshed but couldn't tell for the Whip because all holes weren't shown. DD, did people play the courses in the order I posted?

Whipn--Wood--Whipn for Open

opposite for the other divisions

Par 65 I believe

I would guess par 63 for the Woodshed.

Par 5: 3,15
Par 4: 1,2,4,9,18

Lots of tough 3s out there, but in the words of Bobby Jones: "Not every hole is meant to be birdied".

i'd call the first round setup 62 and the 3rd round 64.
i'm calling 15 a 4 but also calling 13 a 4 with the longer setups on 1 and 6 each pushing those holes up one as well for the latter round.

On Whip or Wood, John?

i'd call the first round setup 62 and the 3rd round 64.
i'm calling 15 a 4 but also calling 13 a 4 with the longer setups on 1 and 6 each pushing those holes up one as well for the latter round.



I would agree with this assessment.

Chuck, I'm sure he's taking about the Woodshed. Holes 1 and 6 are significantly longer and more difficult the second time through.

The Whipping Post course has no changes.

The scorecards listed par at 64 for both courses.

i would call w.p 65 even though it's the easier course. i tend to round up on tweeners.

Way too many days away till the 2009 WVO. :(

thanks Tony for the years of fun and taking it to the next level. can't wait to see who the next sucker...err...i mean td is. (for those unaware tony ellis is stepping down as wvo td)

I think both courses are par 59. True par4s: WS--2,3,9,15,18 WP--2,6,9,12,14 Everyone thing else is deucable including about 5 on each course that only big arms can reach that Biscoe refers to as tweeners. I don't think there are any par 5s except maybe WP6 which is probably reachable in two by the big arms. It's no wonder Markus won. I'd like to see he and Mose's scorecard.

whoever runs it next year, what about 1 round Friday, 1 Saturday and 1 Sunday?

I think both courses are par 59. True par4s: WS--2,3,9,15,18 WP--2,6,9,12,14 Everyone thing else is deucable including about 5 on each course that only big arms can reach that Biscoe refers to as tweeners.



So you are proposing par should be set at 3 strokes less than the SSA?
A player would need to shoot around 1028 rated golf for the weekend to remain even.
And define deucable. My definition of deucable is that a top player could drive within 40 feet of the pin. How many players do you think drove within 40' of WP 3,4,11? How about WS 1(2nd rd),6(in the long pos.) or 13? WS 4 is a par 4 for the high frequency of OB strokes, and WS 3 is definitely par 5 a 4 is a birdie and a 3 is an eagle.

I think both courses are par 59. True par4s: WS--2,3,9,15,18 WP--2,6,9,12,14 Everyone thing else is deucable including about 5 on each course that only big arms can reach that Biscoe refers to as tweeners. I don't think there are any par 5s except maybe WP6 which is probably reachable in two by the big arms.



Hole 14 on the Whippin' Post was deuced by two different players this year, thus, the hole is deucable. Whorley, you might want to adjust your WP par down to 58.

Just b/c a hole is dueced doesn't make it a par 3.

I've aced a hole before. That must be a par 2.

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/DSC_4807.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=DSC_4807.jpg)
Whippin' Post ~ Hole 14 "Tony's Valley" (675')

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/DSC_4798.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=DSC_4798.jpg)
Whippin' Post ~ Hole 3 "Pinball Plunger" (354')

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/DSC_5019.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=DSC_5019.jpg)
Whippin' Post ~ Hole 6 "Cloe's Run" (874')

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/DSC_4839.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=DSC_4839.jpg)
Woodshed ~ Hole 1 "The Corral" (538')

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/DSC_4857.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=DSC_4857.jpg)
Woodshed ~ Hole 13 "Spencer J Thurman" (556')

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/DSC_4891.jpg (http://s214.photobucket.com/albums/cc184/gotcherj/?action=view&current=DSC_4891.jpg)
Woodshed ~ Hole 18 "The Road Hole" (538')

vince is out of his gourd. maerz is right.

ws1- par 4 in long due to forced layup- second shot is 200 or so to a 15 foot deep landing area- how is that not a par 4?

ws2- par 4

ws3- par 5 due to tightness/length- there was one 4 in my 2 groups playing it this weekend- second time through was with 3 guys rated 990+

ws4- par 4 due to tightness/ob- super happy 3

ws6- par 4 in long- takes 2 solid shots to putt on it

ws9- par 4 (although james conrad overdrove it by 10 feet saturday)

ws 13- easy par 4

ws 15- hard par 4

ws 18- par 4

for a total of 64


wp2- par 5, forced less than full power from tee followed by a full par 4 hole regardless of where your drive lands

wp3- par 4, never seen anyone close to reaching it since they moved the pin back

wp4- easy-ish par 4, takes 2 shots to putt regardless of quality of drive- roddy threw a great roller on it and was still 90 out

wp6- par 4, arguable par 5

wp9- par 4

wp 11- par 4, requires a good drive and a very precise upshot for birdie (even though skinner drove 50 ft past it last weekend)

wp12- par 4

wp13- easy par 4 (i could see calling it a hard par 3 as well)

wp 14- par 4 (2 fairway ace deuces last weekend)

wp 17- easyish par 4 due to low ceiling on drive

for a total of 65

Thanks for the pics, Jerry.
I never get tired of looking at Wap Wap.

Was nice to play with you the first round. Hope I can get out to Deer Lakes in a few weeks.

Yes, Steve....it was a fun weekend indeed! Good shootin' btw....I hope my first round of 70 on the Woodshed didn't slow your game of 62 and Jack's smokin' round of 59!

I have many more photos from this yeer's 15th West Virginia Open.......I hope to post these images on the Player Photos thread soon. :D

I agree with Biscoe on his assessment of holes at Paw Paw; obviously some are easier than others based on what their par is, but it's basically right. And using fluke shots like James Conrad's parkjob on WS9, or the fact that a mega-arm like Markus could conceivably drive a couple of the par 4s for long 2-putts doesn't invalidate the par.

A perfect 550-600' shot (adjust for elevation) isn't consistent, even for the best mega-arm throwers in the game.

I've seen several eagles on Paw Paw holes (I've even hit a few, including one of the two deuces on WP14 this year), but they always feel like eagles and are virtually impossible to replicate.

I've parked WP2 for the eagle 3 off a great, skipping drive and a sick, sick roller. I've watched two different drives get insanely lucky, lace their way through hundreds of trees, and park (or overshot) WP11 for the eagle 2; on WP13, I've watched a birdie or two, and have personally overshot the hole by 150' on a roller but with that hole, to get a 2, you have to roll and pray and the odds are very, very slim for the eagle 2 and generally require a sick upshot and/or sick 100' putt for the birdie 3 (with this hole, the only way for an eagle 2 is luck; a birdie three requires luck and skill; on skill alone you can count on the 4); WP17 is a four because of the usually blind-approach to a very fast green with a pond behind it.

I could go on, but bottom line is I think John is solid in his analysis of pars for the various holes. The basic rule-of-thumb for the A-Tier WVO has been that in the Open Pro division, averaging 65 across three rounds is pretty much a guarantee to be in the cash, which is pretty crazy for an A-tier with this many high-level players.

For this A-Tier, any pro who shoots par (or even a couple over) will cash; it helps me think they've probably done a pretty good job having a true par and a course that challenges even the best players in the world.

I'd like to add huge props to John Biscoe for shooting 1000-rated golf day one. Awesome shooting.

A short film for Tony

<div><embed src="http://widget-36.slide.com/widgets/slideticker.swf" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" quality="high" scale="noscale" salign="l" wmode="transparent" flashvars="cy=lt&il=1&channel=2954361355564057398&site=widget-36.slide.com" style="width:600px;height:475px" name="flashticker" align="middle"></embed><div style="width:600px;text-align:left;">http://widget-36.slide.com/p1/2954361355564057398/lt_t041_v000_s0un_f00/images/xslide1.gif (http://www.slide.com/pivot?cy=lt&at=un&id=2954361355564057398&map=1) http://widget-36.slide.com/p2/2954361355564057398/lt_t041_v000_s0un_f00/images/xslide2.gif (http://www.slide.com/pivot?cy=lt&at=un&id=2954361355564057398&map=2) http://widget-36.slide.com/p4/2954361355564057398/lt_t041_v000_s0un_f00/images/xslide42.gif (http://www.slide.com/pivot?cy=lt&at=un&id=2954361355564057398&map=F)</div></div>

Tony,

Thanks for all the time and effort you've put into making the West Virginia Open <u>the</u> place to be <u>every</u> Labor Day weekend for the past ten yeers. Whoever steps up to run next yeer's event will have some mighty big shoes* to fill...







*see Paw Paw Survival Guide Rule # 7... :)

What happened with the payout? always been at least 1000 for winning?

Better yet, why is a non member playing in an A Tier event when not only is that not allowed, but the flyer says something about it.

Why was there at the least $5,580 (62 open at 90 dollars a person going into the purse - and entry was 100 and 120 for late sign ups - this also doesn't account for the minumum $1,000 added required for A Tier) but only $4,998 paid out?

I had heard that $20 of every entry was used for "extraneous fees = that means PDGA Player FEES, Sanction FEES, Event Insurance, Green FEES and Dons John FEES"

$20 of all entry fees went to Porta Jons, Gas for the mowers, and I believe some goes to Gabby and Spence as well for letting us use the land. And who really cares, this event is not about the payout.

That makes 4960 in entry and 4998 paid out.

Where is the 1000 or least some added cash? Surely this event had added cash.

I heard the "extraneous fee" amount of $20 via the grapevine, thus, I have no idea if it is accurate....could be more. I do know competitors are charged for green fees, porto-john fees (much needed) and, of course, the associated PDGA fees.

I do question the accuracy of the payout posted on the PDGA tour page. For example, I won $80 for finishing 17th in the old men's division, however, the payout shows I won $75.

I just bring this up b/c I heard someone did some calculations based on the payout at the event and the money came up kinda short.

Great event....one I look forward to every yeer!

its def. an event I've always wanted to go to!!

MTL -- this is EXACTLY the reason, Tony is leaving the TDing scene.

Next year I'll be looking for you to run the financial aspects of the WVO.

Enjoy your nit picking life...

Love Teescum

Tony nothing but love and respect, but if things look shady, people will question them.

If you were to simply clarify how your arrived at your numbers, everything will be fine.

During the Tupelo Bay Open last year, someone questionned the payout. Kirk simply posted the numbers and how he arrived at them.

I get kinda tired of people thinking that anytime someone questions anythign about a tournament, the TD's goes on the defense and has the "well why don't you do this" attitude. And also, Schweb pretty much questionned the payout as well. So there is more than 1 person curious.

If you were to post the numbers and the calcuations, I'm sure everything will be fine. However, on the surface things don't look good. I received a call about the numbers Sunday night so this is not just something I came up with.

It's funny that noone in attendance is complaining. Go figure

It's funny that noone in attendance is complaining. Go figure



It's funny that you don't know what you are talking about.

Players during the event were calculating the numbers trying to figure out what was up. This is NOT heresay, straight from someone who was there. Like usual, many people complain but when it comes to talk about the issues, everyone backs down.

And it's funny that you only call me out and not Schweb. I respect the fact that he started this conversation.

I'm calling him out elsewhere. Oh I forgot your the spokesman. I'm done

money shmoney. It's about the experience. The payout was what they had to pay out after all the fees. I'm sure as hell that Tony did not make any money over the last 10 years running this event.

Payout might look a little low, but I'm sure the money all went to the right places.

porta jons, spence &amp; gabby ( don't forget it's $5 a day to play plus $5 a night to camp at Paw Paw, and I'm sure that is taken out of the entry) Gas for mowers so you can actually play the course. Who know what else, but all I know is that..............................


Tony and Susi have been the best tournament hosts EVER!!! Thank you guys so much from all of the Camp Pittsburgh Crew. It's because of the way you guys ran this event that we kept coming back yeer after yeer. A great Annal tournament.

I don't question the numbers cause I know there has to be considerable expenses both in the preparation and in the execution of this event. There is a great deal of acreage here to mow. Because of the many sprawling campgrounds many port -o-johns were needed and let's face it the place is out in the wilderness and the porto john people surely passed on any added expense for the delivery and pick up of said units. There are many more expenses running this event than others run in public parks funded with taxpayer dollars.

I commend Tony, Mark, Spence, Gabbi, Ted and anyone else involved in making this a premier golfing experience. Well done, well done indeed!

Jerry,
Thanks for puting together and posting the slide show. It really captured some of the flavor and atmosphere of the weekend.

I can't wait til next year!

Thank goodness I wasn't burdened with the delimma of cashing or the related "Is this enough?' scenario. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I paid $103 to play and shot a 214. That's about $0.48 a stroke. The 2 things I learned:

(1) I can't putt :(
(2) They didn't charge me enough, I'd paid twice that :D

My first trip to the WVO at Paw Paw and it was more than I expected (on many levels). Just AWESOME...If you haven't been there you need to go. Your game will be better for it.

Thanks Tony and our hosts! :D

Tony is actually not TD'ing any more because he took the dumptruck-loads of money he scammed from the WVO payout &amp; is retiring to Dubai. Sad to see ya go, Nude; get a nice all-over tan!

Susi won't be joining him there until after Halloween, because he, like many yokels, loves any day where he can pumpkin. :p

It is almost a given that on any of these tournament threads someone will post up about complaining about something, and in most instances, nothing was ever said during, before and after said tournament. What good does it do to call you buddy at-home and blab to them about it when your not going to say anything to the TD in person?

It's funny that noone in attendance is complaining. Go figure



It's funny that you don't know what you are talking about.

Players during the event were calculating the numbers trying to figure out what was up. This is NOT heresay, straight from someone who was there. Like usual, many people complain but when it comes to talk about the issues, everyone backs down.

And it's funny that you only call me out and not Schweb. I respect the fact that he started this conversation.




Robert,

As a TD yourself, you should know as well as anyone that having your payout questioned publicly is much more inappropriate than doing it privately.

I was there, I heard people questioning the payout. I also know more than most that this event has much higher event costs associated with it than most.

For instance:
I know that before the cost of gas doubled to $4 a gallon - it cost nearly $500 (IN GAS ALONE) to mow the nearly 60 acres of grass on the two courses.
I know that for years - the Thurmans have been putting up with people not paying the minimal $20 camping fee to stay on the property during the event. It wouldn't surprise me if some portion of entry fees went to the inevitable expense of cleanup and trash removal.
I know that Tony lost tons of $$ feeding everybody on Saturday night the last few years - until this year he just couldn't foot the bill.
I know that porta johns cost at least $150 EACH for the weekend (times 4)

These are but a few examples of event costs that don't figure in to most people's thoughts when calculating entry fees in vs purse money out. Only the PDGA has the right to see the details of event finances - that's what the tournament report is for.
You or anyone else calling out a TD (any TD) to "just post your #'s and it'll all be ok" is just plainly out of line. If you as a TD don't understand someone elses finances on the surface - AND ARE THAT CURIOUS ABOUT IT - send the TD a PM and ask. Show a little class and a little courtesy to your fellow TD's and don't question their integrity before doing some legitimate calculations. It's nothing more than you would want for your own efforts. Not every event is held in a park that's free to play in, that cuts the grass and takes out the trash.

That is the information I was curious about.

I guess I'm just strange. I WANT people to publically post negative things about my tournament so I know how to improve. In fact at the last tournament I ran I requested that very thing.

But thanks for clearing things up. I was just very very curious as to what was going on. Sounds like everything was great!

However, I completly disagree that only the PDGA should see the details of an events finances when the players are the paying to play. I like to know where my money goes and I don't take ANY offense in someone asking me about mine when I run a tournament and have no problem backing it up because I know I'm not doing anything wrong.

I also think that if tournaments were to post their numbers a lot (including profits made) a lot of shady stuff would stop happening. However, everytime someone brings it up, it as seen as inappropriate or what not. If people didn't question things, we would be British.

I figured Wap Wap would be immune to the spate of public negativity that crops up after so many tournaments. I flew a total of 6000 miles, drove about 500 miles, and spent close to $1000 to attend this tournament. Why? Because of the people, the courses and the setting. Spence and Gabby are kind enough to let a hundred or so people descend on their property for a weekend of fun and frolic. Most of us spend the entire weekend doing exactly what we want to do, which is play golf, have fun, listen to music, and relax. There is no other tournament that I know of that compares. The amount of work that Tony and Susi have done over the years is epic. How many weekends spent in preparation? Beautiful wooden trophies that are cherished by all the winners because of the love and care that Susi puts into creating these unique works of art. This tournament goes beyond our sport, it brings together tribes from all over the Northeast and beyond for a weekend celebration of life and friendship. John Gregory hit it on the nose. If you can't be happy throwing pieces of plastic through the trees with your friends, then you are missing out. And if you can't celebrate the joy of Wap Wap and the love and friendship that it encompasses then your compass is awry. DD

http://picasaweb.google.com/gblaw65/WestVirginiaOpen2008#5241460758213422658

I guess I'm just strange.



:p :D:) :cool:

Let me try that again:

http://www.spotsydiscgolf.com/images/Spence.jpg

I guess I'm just strange.



:p :D:) :cool:


I think in MTL's case, you mean

http://www.tripledisc.com/preview/msdgc/mtl.jpg

However, I completly disagree that only the PDGA should see the details of an events finances when the players are the paying to play.



do you want to know how much the two all beef(?) patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onion, and sesame seed bun each cost when you go to mcdonalds?

players either receive perceived value or they don't. those who don't are free to complain about it, not return, etc- those who do (in which number i would count the vast majority of wvo players) vote with their $ year after year by returning to particular events.

a player has no more right to examine "the books" at my tournament than you do at mcdonalds. if i don't provide perceived value for your time and money spent you won't return. if i blatantly screw everyone then perhaps they all will not return.

Well I disagree with you but I appreciate you presenting your opinion. And I love coming to your tournaments and always have since the first time I played one and got 2nd in adv and won a rev. bag and the coolest wasp ever (still in the bag baby!)

Payouts are only ever questioned by gamblers.

My favorite line from the tournament: "NOT TWO MINUTES!"

Was it two minutes?


I can't wait until I'm done with school. Seeya in Paw Paw next year! Depending on where I'm able to find a job I'll either be representing NC or OH ;)

Cwoj skeered to come to TThe NC

NC will be very lucky to have someone like Woj. I hope he comes here.

a player has no more right to examine "the books" at my tournament than you do at mcdonalds. if i don't provide perceived value for your time and money spent you won't return. if i blatantly screw everyone then perhaps they all will not return.



agree 1000% biscoe... if theres shady'ness going on then its on the PDGA to see it and say something.

people can complain/criticize... they'll always be able to do that but to demand to see the books seems a bit extreme. If some TDs want to do it to quiet the complainers then good for them but a tourney's books should not have to be opened up.

DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE (http://www.80smusicvids.com/video.php?vid=Public_Enemy_-_Dont_Believe_The_Hype)

FYI - It's $1500 added for A-tiers this year not just $1000.
Page 4 &gt; www.pdga.com/documents/2008/08TourStandards.pdf (http://www.pdga.com/documents/2008/08TourStandards.pdf)

The PDGA does check events to see whether they met the guidelines and uses that in determining sanctioning level for that event the following year if they decide to run it again.

I agree with John as well.

I'm having a hard time seeing any rational for this sense of entitlement to see the books.

You pay the fee, you get to participate. If you dig it, cool. If you don't, try something else next time. If you think there's impropriety, there are proper channels for that. For me, this comes under the heading of "Stuff I Let Other People Worry About". It gives me more time to think about "should that tree stay or go?" or "is this a morning rag or an early afternoon rag?" or "is this cheese stinky enough to go with Chimay and crackers?".

Don't forget about the huge chunk the PDGA takes when calculating payout. Tony, you are the best and I appreciate you running the WVO the couple of times I was fortunate enough to attend.

Sorry my opinion on par offended people. Wierd. I don't consider Markus a big arm, he's a gorilla arm--he doesn't count. I consider big arms the longer throwing 50% of pros. I don't consider "deucable" a par three--throw ins from 70+ feet isn't a putt. I consider par 3s are a hole that most pros can get within 50 feet with a good drive. Most pros with today's high speed discs can reach WS--1,4,6,7,11,13,17 WP--4,8,10,11,17. I din't know that they lengthened WP3. Maybe the gauntlet is a par 5. I round down on tweener holes. It's just my opinion for goodness sakes.

Most pros with today's high speed discs can reach WS--1,4,6,7,11,13,17 WP--4,8,10,11,17. I din't know that they lengthened WP3. Maybe the gauntlet is a par 5. I round down on tweener holes. It's just my opinion for goodness sakes.



I think alot of those hole could be reached if the trees were not in the way! BUT!

WS 1?
WS 4 not many 3's
WS 6 " " "
WS 13 I throw a rock lay-up then a driver to the pin, par 3
WP 4 tough 3
WP 8 definite 4
WP11 " "

My first year was the 8 hr, 30 hole/round year. Haven't missed a year since. Gonna miss your hard work and dedication to the tournament Tony!

http://i329.photobucket.com/albums/l363/craigg_4010/paw%20paw/WVO08043.jpg

ironically enough... that hole is one that i seem to execute terribly virtually every time- i've gotten the birdie 3 exactly once in all the years. (ignore the par on the tee sign- it's definitely a par 4)

it is heavenly to be up there though. for sure my favorite dg destination. (at this point pretty much my only dg destination outside spotsy)

TONE-TONE..........thank you
Spence - Gabby......thank you
Susi.........thank you
anyone who picked up one stick or trash before or @ WVO....thank you

TONE - SUSI.......keep your clothes on....

peace chains

OK, it's 2009. Is anyone stepping up to the plate to run the WVO this year?

spencer will be running the events this year with help/advice from tony and susi.