I know this will come up someday, but i hope not. I dont think there should be a set limit on the amount of discs you carry. Unlike ball golf the disc is your ball and club in one... Plus their flight patterns change, and backup's are needed on courses were discs can be lost... If someone wants to carry 100 discs i have no problem with that. I like to carry around 25 because i throw alot of shots, bh, bh roller, fh, fh rollers, thumbers, epics etc... How do you guys feel about this... Im sure the guys who throw 10 discs and under wouldn't have a problem with this...

If some fool wants to cart around 100 discs on a hot summer day, I am all for it!

The more types of discs someone carries, the less skilled they'll be with each one so that's fine with me as their competitor. Crazy John Brooks was a feared competitor in his time by carrying just three discs (plus marker and towel) he could do anything with.

Should there be a limit? Should we align our rules more like ball golf USGA? 14 clubs/14 discs? I bring 12-13 usually (backups for 4 discs) so I have plenty and usually only actually use 4-5 different discs in a tournament round. I think we should limit it to 14. Should be plenty for anyone, and have some standardization for tournament players.

Should there be a limit? Should we align our rules more like ball golf USGA? 14 clubs/14 discs? I bring 12-13 usually (backups for 4 discs) so I have plenty and usually only actually use 4-5 different discs in a tournament round. I think we should limit it to 14. Should be plenty for anyone, and have some standardization for tournament players.



How does it impact you if someone wants to lug around 30-40 discs for 2 rounds? If it does not impact you , why care?

joe graham: try telling Feldberg he can't play because he has too many discs!! :)

-Scott Lewis

No, there should not be a limit, at least not before we institute mandatory disc checks for tech stds. Our discs are more like a ball/club combo, not clubs. It is very unlikely that a ball golfer will lose or break a club; we break and/or lose discs freqently. I don't think that there is a limit to how many golf balls can be carried, but there is a rule, IIRC, that once you have exhausted your golf ball stash, you cannot go get any more during the round. If someone feels compelled to put a stipulation on the number of disc carried during the round, then I think that the most harmless one would be that you can't add any discs to your bag once the round has started.

Holy moly people! I am responding to a thread question and giving my opinion! I do think there needs to be some standardization at tournies and more in line with USGA. Maybe we can be more legitimized/respected/given media exposure/sponsored?

there should not be a limit- you don't lose golf clubs during the course of a round.

No limit for pros as long as the player has to carry them all with no cart allowed. If a caddie is used, then set a limit.

I understand the reason for wanting to cut down the bag, but I started playing disc golf because it wasn't JUST like ball golf. That's what many people love about this game. I'll take LESS media so I can play this game the way it's been played.

whether I carry 4 discs or 20... it honestly doesn't make much of a difference in my game... I don't feel the need to make a mandatory rule for everyone regarding # of discs that can be carried. If you don't like that Other players beat you with more discs you might want to consider trying more discs then?

-Scott Lewis

I doubt anyone notices how many discs a pro carry's as far as media credentials are concerned... And a good point is that this is not ball golf. We use alot of different shots, in golf you can hit straight with every club the change is for distane.. The same cant be said for frisbee, you can't throw a firebird straight. I hope that disc golf is always free (amatuer courses atleast) and i hope you can carry as many frisbees as you want... And for everyone who carries 10-14 discs what if they knocked it down to 5? Would you be ok with that?

I don't think there should be a limit on discs, but if there was a limit, it wouldn't affect me at all. I could play any course with 3 discs. I do carry 8 at tournaments though.

I tend to start a tournament with about 20-25 discs in the bag and narrow down the bag each round based on what I used the round before. I have never gotten less than 16 discs in a bag though - sometimes you carry a disc purely because it is situational (out shots/specialty throws).

I don't think limiting the number of discs allowed to a player advances the game in any way. Some players don't need a lot of discs and some do. Limiting the number of discs carried would heavily favor those with less in their bag not to mention that manufacturer's would throw a fit!

What are some good reasons to limit # of discs?

To be more like ball golf? :confused:

Ball golf doesn't limit the amount of balls a player may carry. Disc golf already limits the amount of arms a player may carry. Seems pretty similar already.

manufacturer's would throw a fit!



That disc hasn't been approved yet...

No, because as someone mentioned earlier discs get beat in and fly differently, and it's easy to lose a disc. I like to carry alot of discs but they are all backups because you never know what can happen. I have like 8 or 9 molds in my bad but carry 20 discs because I need extra's and/or some fly differently.

What are some good reasons to limit # of discs?


like it or not discs will eventually be tested at the highest level of competition,. ( world championships, NT's,,etc..)
I guess theres always a chance that these events will not be pdga, but when we start playing for $20k 1st place prizes ( pdga or not), assuring everyone is playing by the same set of rules, will be important to those that are competitive.

the simple reason for limiting discs will be Testing.
14 is too few, I would propose 25.
If you can't get a full line up with back ups in under 25 discs, I doubt your winning much money.
besides feldberg, I'm pretty sure there are no top 100 players carrying more than 25 a round.

I'm not sure limiting the amount of discs that a player can carry in a pdga event will hurt overall sales numbers.
theres no fit to be thrown, and if a manufacture does throw a fit, let em!

I like the idea that if you have a caddy there is a limit and if you are carrying your own... knock yourself out, carry however many you want. I took my daughter out Sunday and let her pick her bag, needless to say I ended up carrying her bag as well. Worst round in ages.

I think Barry carried around 40 at the USDGC... Testing is a good point, but i don't feel like it should take that long to judge a players discs by sight or feel... I think they would only have pick out any suspicious looking or feeling discs... It's not that hard to weigh or measure them... I wouldn't have a problem with 25 but others might... I mean i saw guy throw like 5 in the water on 17 at the USDGC's, lol he would have a gap in his line.

there should not be a limit- you don't lose golf clubs during the course of a round.



THere should be no limit for above reason, a limit imposed is overthinking and unecessary.

there should not be a limit- you don't lose golf clubs during the course of a round.



There should be no limit for above reason, a limit imposed is over thinking and unnecessary.



Are you saying that testing discs at the highest level of competition is over thinking?

I will agree that the amount of discs a player can use or testing at events to make sure discs are conforming is probably not a concern for you.
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If there are any top pro players competing at the highest levels of competition, who are opposed to having their equipment tested, I would love to hear their reasons.

If we polled the top 100 ranked players and 30% didnt want their equipment ever checked, what would that say??

there should not be a limit- you don't lose golf clubs during the course of a round.



There should be no limit for above reason, a limit imposed is over thinking and unnecessary.



Are you saying that testing discs at the highest level of competition is over thinking?

I will agree that the amount of discs a player can use or testing at events to make sure discs are conforming is probably not a concern for you.
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If there are any top pro players competing at the highest levels of competition, who are opposed to having their equipment tested, I would love to hear their reasons.

If we polled the top 100 ranked players and 30% didnt want their equipment ever checked, what would that say??



Didn't he just say there should be no limit on the amount carried not that the discs shouldn't be tested? Why did you automatically assume he was talking about both conditions when all he said was that he agreed with no limit on the amount carried?

While I agree that testing should happen at high level events it seems like you jumped all over somebody so you could post more about disc testing at events.

On topic: While limiting the amount of discs carried would theoretically level the playing field many people who carry more than the amount of discs would say they are being unfairly handicapped by not being able carry their preferred amount of discs. The only way to stop that would be to set the limit so high that it would just be a joke.

Plus in ball golf if a club is damaged in the normal course of play then you can replace with no penalty so if we want to be like ball golf and limit the amount of discs carried we would also have to put this rule in there.

Just to set the record straight, ball golfers do lose clubs.

About once every three rounds someone from a group ahead of you will come back and ask "Did you find a pitching wedge by the green on hole #X?"

Granted, this doesn't happen in PGA Tour events, but it does happen during small club events and the like...

That's misplacing a club. Like, "I left my disc in the shule after I shot."

Losing a club would be like "I lost my club in that lake over there." In which case, I'm imagining it took some "help" to find that lake.

Well... that happens too... just not as often...

there should not be a limit- you don't lose golf clubs during the course of a round.



There should be no limit for above reason, a limit imposed is over thinking and unnecessary.



Are you saying that testing discs at the highest level of competition is over thinking?

I will agree that the amount of discs a player can use or testing at events to make sure discs are conforming is probably not a concern for you.
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If there are any top pro players competing at the highest levels of competition, who are opposed to having their equipment tested, I would love to hear their reasons.

If we polled the top 100 ranked players and 30% didnt want their equipment ever checked, what would that say??



Didn't he just say there should be no limit on the amount carried not that the discs shouldn't be tested? Why did you automatically assume he was talking about both conditions when all he said was that he agreed with no limit on the amount carried?





whoa!
I didn't think I was JUMPING all over anyone and certainly didn't intend to.
I was merely asking a question on what we might be over thinking.
I guess I shouldn't have said that the limit was not meant for any one individually or specifically!
Sorry about that!

IMO,,,the only reason for a limit would be testing!

the only time I could see it being a problem carrying too many discs is when it takes you more than the alloted time to choose your disc and make your shot!

Just to set the record straight, ball golfers do lose clubs.

About once every three rounds someone from a group ahead of you will come back and ask "Did you find a pitching wedge by the green on hole #X?"

Granted, this doesn't happen in PGA Tour events, but it does happen during small club events and the like...


I've seen clubs break at PGA events. Hitting a ball off of a cart path or gravel is another reason to replace a club.

Carry as many discs as you can.
/especially if you're a Master, playing against me.

i honestly think there should be a limit to how many discs you can carry for a round
mj

for what reason mike?

i honestly think there should be a limit to how many discs you can carry for a round
mj



I don't think that blue discs should be allowed. :eek:

to me i think you should be able to make all the shots you need to be able to with out carrying 30-40 or more discs like some do. i think it shows the skills that are necessay to be called a pro. i do think you should be able to add to the bag for things like excessive disc lost(i.e USDGC 17) but that being said can you not make a shot work with one disc and not some particular disc that you carry for one shot that might be used every 3rd or 4th round if that much. it also brings more of a mental part of the game into play, like which discs do i bring for one course, or do i need to change my bag a little for conditions.things of this nature are not brought into this sport if you can lug around 40 discs that can do whatever situation you get into. there is a mental part of the game that we miss by allowing unlimited number of discs being carried
mj

great points MJ! what would you set the limit at if there was one?

i dont know somewhere between 20-30

how about 25! :)

that sounds like a good number to me

FWIW ... just got my first issue of 'Flying Disc' and theres an 'Ask a Pro' section where someone (named Vickie) asks Hammock if he thinks there should be a limit... here's his response.

"Fourteen is a good number. You should be able to do anything you want with that many discs. I would support a limit. Personally I think the worst part of the game is lugging around a big bag of discs. But I guess if someone wants to carry a fridge full on their back they're just using up more energy and making it easier for me to take them down"

me personally... i'd be fine w/ 14 but I would think 25 would be 'safer' or more realistic.

15

25 is a lot of discs, might as well not have a limit.

i think it should be closer to 20 probably, but with one not in place people can carry as many as you like, so if you want to lug a suitcase full of discs around be my guest i just hope peoples backs can take it

18 - one for each hole

It depends on the goal. If the limit is to prove that you are a "true pro" by not needing a different disc for every type of shot, 25 way too many. You could carry a different driver for each of 18 holes, 6 different midranges, and a putter.

To force the player to make some decisions, you need to put the limit at 12 or less. Still that's 3 drivers, 3 fairway drivers, 3 midrange and 3 putters... but then, if you lose a disc, it might have an effect...

So, what is the goal of limiting the number?

I carry about 16 discs, but I would probably only lose a stroke or three a round if I played with TL-Roc-Rhyno.

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So, what is the goal of limiting the number?




For me it is to be able to check discs to make sure they conform to the rules at the highest level of competition and only at the highest level.
There is really no need to test at any other time and certainly not at local events or pdga A, B and C tiers, that would be asking too much of the volunteer TD's.

Limiting the number of discs is a practical and logical idea,,, if and when this day comes!

20 seems like plenty, but 24 might would probably make more people happy! ( or keep them from freaking out) :confused: :D

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So, what is the goal of limiting the number?




For me it is to be able to check discs to make sure they conform to the rules at the highest level of competition and only at the highest level.
There is really no need to test at any other time and certainly not at local events or pdga A, B and C tiers, that would be asking too much of the volunteer TD's.

Limiting the number of discs is a practical and logical idea,,, if and when this day comes!

20 seems like plenty, but 24 might would probably make more people happy! ( or keep them from freaking out) :confused: :D



Except Feldberg, he would like a limit of 40.

It depends on the goal. If the limit is to prove that you are a "true pro" by not needing a different disc for every type of shot, 25 way too many. You could carry a different driver for each of 18 holes, 6 different midranges, and a putter.

To force the player to make some decisions, you need to put the limit at 12 or less. Still that's 3 drivers, 3 fairway drivers, 3 midrange and 3 putters... but then, if you lose a disc, it might have an effect...

So, what is the goal of limiting the number?

I carry about 16 discs, but I would probably only lose a stroke or three a round if I played with TL-Roc-Rhyno.



2nd that (except I'd probably go with a Tee-Rex, Firebird & Aviar myself.)

I don't think there should be a limit because bag weight is already a limiting factor.

The question does need to be answered:
What would be a valid reason (other than Gateway Dave's testing crusade :p) to limit the number of discs?
Different reasons = different number limits

my 28 cents (adjusted for inflation)

- JPB

Along the same lines, if you are carrying too many discs, you don't know each of them as well as if you were only carrying a few.

If I had to make an extremely accurate throw of 100 feet, but there were no consequences from a floaty shot past the target or a roll away, there's no doubt, I'd pick an Ultrastar. Why? On an average weekend I throw an Ultrastar 100+ times, forehands, backhands, hammers, blades...

If I have a disc in my bag for a shot I throw once every 5 rounds, how well am I going to throw it? If you can carry 40 discs and know them all really well... then you deserve an advantage... I carry 16 discs right now. Two I don't throw during most rounds (Monster and Sidewinder) but are there if I need to throw a blade (in trouble) or a roller (not normally on my two home courses). I carry two discs that I use for tee shots on one hole each (Gator and Stingray) and that's it. The other 12 discs handle on average probably 50 shots with 24 or so Rhyno putts, a 1080 and a Sonic for upshots, a Roc and an Impact for short holes, and Destroyer/TeeRex/Surge/TL/Leopard for the long drives.... with a Teebird and JK Aviar in there for kicks and giggles...

instead of limiting the number of discs one can carry, if you really want to have them prove their skills. limit the number of molds one can throw.That way one can carry as many backups as he or she likes. i personally don't see that point of limiting discs that can be carried. however i can see where Dave mac's point that it would make checking discs a lot easier, which should be done at A tiers and the like.

Probelm: Define molds.

Rancho Roc, Ontario Roc, San Marino Roc
Rhyno, Tank?
Big Bead, Small Bead, No Bead Aviar?
Teebird, TL?
Wizard, Warlock?

Are they different?

There are three different Birdies out there. Can I carry all three and count it once?

My solution to testing: Grab every prime number player... 2,3,5,7,11,13,17 etc. Pick 10 random discs from their bag, test them for weight. If any fail, test the entire bag.

Like random drug testing, it may not catch everyone the first time, but cheat long enough, and you'll get caught...

If a person is willing and able to carry 20 or 30 or 40 discs, they may get more tired than someone carrying 10-15. However, that's their choice.

Also, if people are confident someone carrying 30 discs can't know them all very well, wouldn't that also be to the advantage of someone carrying 10 discs he or she is very comfortable with?

So, if someone wants to wear himself or herself out carrying a bunch of discs he or she can't throw as well as you can your 10 or 15, why should it bother you?

I'm still a newbie to the PDGA. I won't tell you how many I carry because I don't think it should matter to anyone. Whoever shoots the lowest score wins--no matter what you're carrying. Heck, Doss, Climo, Feldberg, Reading, the Jenkinses, etc. could beat me with two random discs from the local gas station. Most of you could beat me with less than ten. If I wanted to carry a bag full, it shouldn't bother anyone. I just want to have fun and play. :D

to me i think you should be able to make all the shots you need to be able to with out carrying 30-40 or more discs like some do. i think it shows the skills that are necessay to be called a pro. i do think you should be able to add to the bag for things like excessive disc lost(i.e USDGC 17) but that being said can you not make a shot work with one disc and not some particular disc that you carry for one shot that might be used every 3rd or 4th round if that much. it also brings more of a mental part of the game into play, like which discs do i bring for one course, or do i need to change my bag a little for conditions.things of this nature are not brought into this sport if you can lug around 40 discs that can do whatever situation you get into. there is a mental part of the game that we miss by allowing unlimited number of discs being carried
mj



This is a good argument, however I think that you have to take into account different personalities. It would not benefit me to carry 40 discs around everywhere. On many courses it would cause me to over-think about the "perfect" disc for every little situation. Also, if you carried a ton of discs, there would be long stretches of round-time where you do not use certain discs. My game is constantly evolving in little ways, and if I pulled out a disc that I had not used for 2 months, I would not have too much confidence in the shot, regardless of situation.

So, because of my personality and style, I would never carry more than 15 unless heavy disc loss was imminent. So some people may carry 40...I think its kind of foolish, but definetely not an advantage over my bag. I think the best two points regarding disc limits were given by Dave Mac and Chuck K.

If we start inspecting equipment, we will need limits to make it practical.

Chuck brought up the issue of carrying capacity/caddies/carts. Personally, I like the romance of carrying your own bag.

I don't think that caddies should be allowed in many cases. I've seen pro's caddy for amateurs and tell them what to do. This is not fair to the other competitors and takes away from the individual and mental nature of golf. Also, if it is an endurance course, then a caddy would be a big advantage that should only be allowed if everyone has equal access to one. If you drive 300 miles by yourself to a multiple day tourney at a grueling course, you're SOL.

I also don't think too much of carts. They can be distracting, are impractical for much of the terrain DG courses are built on, and they are not marketed for and widely available for disc golf. We can't make our own discs and use them, so why carts? I do see carts as something helpful for DGer's who for age or health reasons cannot carry their own bag, but everyone else should be carrying imo.

For me it is to be able to check discs to make sure they conform to the rules at the highest level of competition and only at the highest level.
There is really no need to test at any other time and certainly not at local events or pdga A, B and C tiers, that would be asking too much of the volunteer TD's.

Limiting the number of discs is a practical and logical idea,,, if and when this day comes!

Dave, I'm sure you've seen a lot of top players, and you've seen them in competition. How many are actually carrying more than 15-20 discs? My guess is there aren't many who carry a lot of discs like Feldberg does (Like I said, I'm just guessing, I don't know for sure). So when your crusade for testing becomes reality at the bigger events, how many top players are going to slow up the testing process just because they have 40 discs in their bag? Once again, just a guess here, but I'd suspect the testing process will flow smoothly because most top pro players don't need a large number of discs in their bag.

reallybadputter -
Along the same lines, if you are carrying too many discs, you don't know each of them as well as if you were only carrying a few.



I disagree. I carry 20-25 disc in my bag and have over a 100 in my closet and I can tell you how all of them fly. Just like you said about the Ultrastar - some of us actually spend time in a field learning our discs and perfecting our game.


mike jo -
to me i think you should be able to make all the shots you need to be able to with out carrying 30-40 or more discs like some do. i think it shows the skills that are necessay to be called a pro.



Its not that a pro can't throw different shots with the same disc, its just that he or she elects to use certain discs for specific shots. I can throw a hyzer with a sidewinder, but thats what eagles are made for. Not too mention that the discs in my bag tend to beat in slower since I only use them for their specific purpose - try using a beat in TL to throw a hyzer with a 20 MPH headwind - thats not skill its stupid.

The underlying reason for many discs, for me at least, is to have the right tool for the job.

IN THE BAG (http://discgolfer.ning.com/profile/DionArlyn)

2 questions because this is all just silly anyway:

1) what does Limiting discs have to do with TESTING?? that still makes no sense to me.. sorry

2) Why even set a rule? As long as each disc conforms to the new PDGA requirements then who cares how many you throw? More discs ISN'T always an advantage. So what the heck is the big deal? There are no rules in place now.... Why would you automatically expect that we would be required to have a rule just because the sport is growing????

You are all sounding like our politicians and lawmakers in The U.S. Just because there ISN"T a LAW doesn't mean you have to CREATE one. And most of you are being biased.. You are setting numbers above your own Disc count, but you don't care about the others who have more discs than you.. Just selfish and sad just like our current government.

I personally can play a round with 4 discs or 12 and get around the same results.. I don't throw many discs so I am not looking at this in any other bias than the fact I don't like to make new rules that have NO effect on everyone in the game.

-Scott Lewis

2 questions because this is all just silly anyway:

1) what does Limiting discs have to do with TESTING?? that still makes no sense to me.. sorry

2) Why even set a rule? As long as each disc conforms to the new PDGA requirements then who cares how many you throw? More discs ISN'T always an advantage. So what the heck is the big deal? There are no rules in place now.... Why would you automatically expect that we would be required to have a rule just because the sport is growing????

You are all sounding like our politicians and lawmakers in The U.S. Just because there ISN"T a LAW doesn't mean you have to CREATE one. And most of you are being biased.. You are setting numbers above your own Disc count, but you don't care about the others who have more discs than you.. Just selfish and sad just like our current government.

I personally can play a round with 4 discs or 12 and get around the same results.. I don't throw many discs so I am not looking at this in any other bias than the fact I don't like to make new rules that have NO effect on everyone in the game.

-Scott Lewis



If you are not interested in this topic, why post a bunch of negative stuff about the people that are? Heck, I bet most of us are just bored at work or stuck inside due to weather...There's no need for the annoyed tone of your post imo.

Scott Lewis is right. Why make a rule where one isn't needed? Run out of things to do? Need to look busy? Busybodies are ruining this country.

Scott Lewis is right. Why make a rule where one isn't needed? Run out of things to do? Need to look busy? Busybodies are ruining this country.



I agree, this is stupid! Let your opponents carry 100 of them if they like to make their bag heavier! DUH! Do you want to limit the amount of water they carry too?

i think eyeglasses and contacts should be disallowed... and eating well... and exercising... and being ugly for god's sake!!!!

Then Hysell would be DQ'd for just showing up..... :D

How many are actually carrying more than 15-20 discs? My guess is there aren't many who carry a lot of discs like Feldberg does (Like I said, I'm just guessing, I don't know for sure). So when your crusade for testing becomes reality at the bigger events, how many top players are going to slow up the testing process just because they have 40 discs in their bag? Once again, just a guess here, but I'd suspect the testing process will flow smoothly because most top pro players don't need a large number of discs in their bag.

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sounds right...

There shouldn't be a limit, because of the natural scientific fact of human nature...when you carry more...you get tired faster. Even the best athletes will tire quicker when carrying more. Yea, its only plastic, but I lifted a guys bag last weekend at a tourny to help him speed up to the next hole, and had to have weighed 50lbs. Its fine if he's willing to carry it, but there is a fine line. There are many discs that us players use and need during a round, but many people carry extras, or doubles of discs. That can be dead weight, but to each their own. I'll let my competitors carry more discs and tire quicker, and also have better chances of outplaying my opponents if they don't know many of their discs as they ought to. I carry about 18 discs with me, and even that can be a lot of weight somtimes, especially with water bottles. my 2 cents

Speaking of weight... what about all of that sand in the bag?

reallybadputter -
Along the same lines, if you are carrying too many discs, you don't know each of them as well as if you were only carrying a few.



I disagree. I carry 20-25 disc in my bag and have over a 100 in my closet and I can tell you how all of them fly. Just like you said about the Ultrastar - some of us actually spend time in a field learning our discs and perfecting our game.




But I doubt you throw most of the 100 other discs as well as you throw the ones that you throw all the time. Duplicates of the same mold don't count.

If you put you bag away and grabbed 20-25 different molds from your closet and went out to the course and shot a round, would your score be any different?

Do you really, intimately know 120-125 discs as well as you know your putter, straight midrange, and straight fairway driver? If you are practicing with those random discs that much, I'm impressed that you can play to a 988 rating. But I'd also suggest that you stop practicing throwing the X-clone that you probably haven't used in a tournament round in the last 5 years... :)

I probably threw an ultrastar 100+ times today in 30-40 mph wind... no it wasn't fun...

Now, despite your insinuation (and the opinions of some of those who have seen me play :-) I do actually practice. But I am a realist. For example, I carry 4 midranges. I know them pretty well, and if I lose one, I can force one of the others to fill in. If I wanted to add another and practice with it equally, that would require taking 20% of the practice time from each of the other discs...

Its diminishing returns. Lug 297 discs if you want to... How about this: limit the number of discs a caddy can carry to 20. Any additional discs must be carried by the player...
:D

reallybadputter -
Along the same lines, if you are carrying too many discs, you don't know each of them as well as if you were only carrying a few.



I disagree. I carry 20-25 disc in my bag and have over a 100 in my closet and I can tell you how all of them fly. Just like you said about the Ultrastar - some of us actually spend time in a field learning our discs and perfecting our game.




Do you really, intimately know 120-125 discs as well as you know your putter, straight midrange, and straight fairway driver? If you are practicing with those random discs that much, I'm impressed that you can play to a 988 rating. But I'd also suggest that you stop practicing throwing the X-clone that you probably haven't used in a tournament round in the last 5 years... :)





Throwing discs to know them and throwing discs to practice technique is two different things. I grab a stack of drivers and mids and throw in a field for awhile, the focus being on my technique, not the disc. I can tell you how all of my discs fly, I just can - call me a savant if you must - but that doesn't mean I am planning on using them for every tournament, it just means I like to throw 30-40 drives without interruption. Picking them all up is the only real hassle. Oh, I don't have an X-clone, nor have I been playing tournaments for 5 years :) Close though, 5 years this upcoming summer!

Ok, a difference in practice style... In a field I throw 8-10 discs before shagging them and I'll throw a mix of drivers and midranges.

That way I'm throwing the discs I throw in competition and I won't have to remember where too many of them went.

They say the memory is the second thing to go...

That's misplacing a club. Like, "I left my disc in the shule after I shot."

Losing a club would be like "I lost my club in that lake over there." In which case, I'm imagining it took some "help" to find that lake.



Daly has thrown more than one club in a pond, though that aws surely on purpose & there's always a few fans ready to div ein after it.

i think eyeglasses and contacts should be disallowed... and eating well... and exercising... and being ugly for god's sake!!!!



You're in dangerous waters, John. If we outlawed ugly, we'd have a bunch of empty courses. Much more practical to make the ugly golfers just wear paper bags. And the obnoxious golfers wear plastic bags without airholes... you should just make some home rules for Hawk Hollow tourneys to start implenting these sweeping reforms and cleaning up our sport. ;)