If you were the King of Disc Golf what would you do? This shouldn't be a place to flame other's ideas, just present your own good ideas (maybe someone will notice). Here are a few of mine (reposted from another thread).

1. Make one day B and C tier tournaments the norm not the exception. If a TD wants to use two days on a particular weekend make Sat. Amateur and Sunday Pros. That way a tournament can support 144-200 players comfortably and raise even more money for the PDGA. This would also allow AMS to play with Pros on Sunday or make up a gallery to watch the Pros. Last year I played eight, one day tournaments and three, two day tournaments. And guess what? The best player still wins those one day tournaments.

2. Make every pro pass the Officials test.

3. Give PDGA members the right of first refusal pertaining to tournament sign ups. Give non-members the last week before a tournament to fight for the remaining spots.

3a. Give all of the entry fee money from non-members to the pro payout. I'm really starting to get sick of seeing an AM2 get a basket and a stack of discs for shooting a +12 I don't care how many players were in their division.

4. Limit worlds to four days to help cut a player's expenses. If the US Open or the Masters can be decided in four days, I think our World Championships could do the same.

5. Have a Worlds on the west coast for god's sake. California has the most PDGA members and we're rewarded by making us travel at least 2000 miles to a Worlds (Flagstaff during monsoon season being the exception). And California players still do really well.

6. Marketing. I say embrace the counter culture spirit of the sport. I realize that disc golf will never be ball golf and we shouldn't try to be. It's a square hole and we are a round peg. We need to go after the Jackass generation. It should be marketed as the opposite of ball golf. Yelling, screaming, taunting, funky clothes, crazy hair. Whatever it takes to get advertisers to notice. If a company would pay for an ad on "Flava of Love" they would certainly want to be part of "Not you father's golf."

Enough for now.

If you were the King of Disc Golf what would you do? This shouldn't be a place to flame other's ideas, just present your own good ideas (maybe someone will notice). Here are a few of mine (reposted from another thread).

1. Make one day B and C tier tournaments the norm not the exception. If a TD wants to use two days on a particular weekend make Sat. Amateur and Sunday Pros. That way a tournament can support 144-200 players comfortably and raise even more money for the PDGA. This would also allow AMS to play with Pros on Sunday or make up a gallery to watch the Pros. Last year I played eight, one day tournaments and three, two day tournaments. And guess what? The best player still wins those one day tournaments.
<font color="blue"> I would disagree with this. One day tournaments are just better and much more a show of skill rather than random hot play. Plus I want to play a course 4 times b/c most of the time it is the only 4 rounds a year I get on the course. </font>
2. Make every pro pass the Officials test.
<font color="blue"> I disagree. The rules test is a test of intrepretation of the rules, not knowledge. Just b/c someone can look up in the book that answer does not mean they will know the call on the course. </font>

3. Give PDGA members the right of first refusal pertaining to tournament sign ups. Give non-members the last week before a tournament to fight for the remaining spots.
<font color="blue"> Agreed </font>

3a. Give all of the entry fee money from non-members to the pro payout. I'm really starting to get sick of seeing an AM2 get a basket and a stack of discs for shooting a +12 I don't care how many players were in their division.
<font color="blue"> our sport is not large enough to do this yet. We need ams to grow our numbers in our sport and sadly at this point, paying them out big is the main way to do so. </font>

4. Limit worlds to four days to help cut a player's expenses. If the US Open or the Masters can be decided in four days, I think our World Championships could do the same.
<font color="blue"> The thing abot worlds I like is that it is my vacation - I get to spend over a week away from my job and stuff. Shortening would shorten my vacation. There are more players like me that play worlds than players there actually working by playing in the tournament. </font>

5. Have a Worlds on the west coast for god's sake. California has the most PDGA members and we're rewarded by making us travel at least 2000 miles to a Worlds (Flagstaff during monsoon season being the exception). And California players still do really well.
<font color="blue"> Agreed. Worlds location is east coast biased. I would love to be able to play out there for once. </font>

6. Marketing. I say embrace the counter culture spirit of the sport. I realize that disc golf will never be ball golf and we shouldn't try to be. It's a square hole and we are a round peg. We need to go after the Jackass generation. It should be marketed as the opposite of ball golf. Yelling, screaming, taunting, funky clothes, crazy hair. Whatever it takes to get advertisers to notice. If a company would pay for an ad on "Flava of Love" they would certainly want to be part of "Not you father's golf." <font color="blue"> Disagree. Your images break the rules of our game. Bad habits that transfer over into the actual sport are not good in my opinion</font>

Enough for now.



This is a great thread topic, btw.

This shouldn't be a place to flame other's ideas, just present your own good ideas (maybe someone will notice).

Did you miss this part?

I was giving my ideas through responding to his. I didn't flame him, every one I disagreed with I provided a reason why.

Build an Amateur game without the Pro circuit

Require that all tournaments have free food: b-fast, lunch and din-din.

Beer

No cheating

Stand in on second throws to eliminate foot faults

2M rule be hole specific

No dress code

You have to have long hair or wear a wig (wig, not pig ya big baboon!)

All courses be par 60 or higher


Allow TDs to earn a living

Win Worlds (Oh wait, this isn't the wishful thinking thread)

Have a major event in each state (the equivalent in size to an NT) that requires qualification from state events with a final National or Worlds event that requires qualification from the NT events

Given a King with unlimited time and resources:

Run one or two events (not tournaments, but 'Events') each year. Events run by professional promoters (who make a profit) that include rock concerts at night and day, big screen replays and live broadcasts to large screens dispersed all over the grounds, and top pros who are encouraged to be 'characters' on and off the course. 48 top players with the attitude of Crazy John Brooks, encouraged to entertain and play to the crowd and the cameras as much as possible. Crazy outfits, crazy shots, and a resulting killer video backed up with the live music and interspersed with the concert footage that ends up looking like a 90 minute GenX/MTV celebration. Bands like Aerosmith, Allman Brothers and the like. Sell near Woodstock size crowds tickets to the 'event' (concert, tournament, camping and so on all included), have a food and beverage court, t-shirt shops, discs and souvenirs, and in the middle of the whole extravaganza, a disc golf tournament breaks out. Leaders dragged up onstage with the band between rounds, wild lights, lasers, flash pods, 50 foot images of Ken Climo yelling into a mike with Steve Tyler the night before the finals. A virtual Wayne's World/Woodstock/Summerfest party with disc golf being just one of the added attractions. Bring the freestylers out also, the guts players, and anyone else with plastic and attitude. So many people there, frisbee folks as well as people just looking to have a good time, that sponsors are diving over each other to get in front of the 50,000 in attendance, let alone have their name put on the video. A wild Frisbee-Palooza!!

Perhaps someone like Crazy John Brooks can imagine it and even pull it off. Then again, perhaps my kingdom is 'Dreamland'.

Re: having a Worlds on the west coast. I don't recall any bids from a group on the west coast being turned in the last, say, 18 years or so. Let's have a left coast group step up and bid. Nothing is stopping them. There is no "East Coast" bias, and anyone who says there is, is a <font color="blue">(deleted by PEBCAK) </font>.

Announcement: Bids are still open for 2010 Pro Worlds and later. No viable bids for PW2007 were received. Highbridge was Plan B.

Ya see? Ya see? I told ya!!!

And what are you doing back so soon, CK34?

I said I would still post announcements when needed... No commentary.

2M rule be hole specific





This option was given to TDs over 2 years ago.

great, he's making progress! LONG LIVE THE KING!

There's a bid in the works for 2010PW, but it's not west coast.

where?

Cincinnati

I know this is not suppose to be a flame thread, but this post has so many things that are wrong (well, this is an opinion, so it can't be wrong, but you get the point). Comments below


Build an Amateur game without the Pro circuit

<font color="blue"> I would tend to agree with this. We need ams to grow the sport. </font>

Require that all tournaments have free food: b-fast, lunch and din-din.
<font color="blue"> Not all people want this. All this does is add more work for a TD to do and less money within the tournament.</font>

Beer
<font color="blue"> Don't even get me started.....</font>

No cheating
<font color="blue"> Have you ever read a rule book? Cheating is not allowed and it is clearly defined.</font>

Stand in on second throws to eliminate foot faults
<font color="blue"> Are you serious? Later in the post you want ALL courses to be par 60+ which means you will have more than likely at least 6 shots on the course over 300 feet that you can't run up on? All this to eliminate something that should be addressed by the group that is playing with the guy? </font>
2M rule be hole specific
<font color="blue"> It is. TD gets the choice to put it in. If he doesn't say anything, it is not in the tournament.</font>

No dress code
<font color="blue"> I can go both ways on this, but the issue is you have to have some standards to prevent extreme examples that could cause problems.</font>

You have to have long hair or wear a wig (wig, not pig ya big baboon!)
<font color="blue"> Obviously satire,so I will move on. </font>

All courses be par 60 or higher
<font color="blue"> If you aren't going to allow us to run up on anything past a tee shot I def. don't want this to be the case. However, simple courses are needed to draw players into the game. I use Renny in Charlotte as an example a lot - some say this is the best course in the world and most people who have played it have it in at least thier top 10. If every single course in the world was like this, 80% of the people who played the game for the first time would not play again. Simple easy courses where Joe 3 disc can go out and shoot +4 makes him come back. Then as he starts to shoot 6 and 7 under, he will naturally become bored with the course and move on the tougher courses.</font>

Allow TDs to earn a living
<font color="blue"> No arguments here </font>

Win Worlds (Oh wait, this isn't the wishful thinking thread)
<font color="blue"> Amen! </font>

Have a major event in each state (the equivalent in size to an NT) that requires qualification from state events with a final National or Worlds event that requires qualification from the NT events
<font color="blue"> I like where you are going here, but this is waaaaaaaaaay in the future if it happened.</font>

Your inadequacies as a player notwithstanding :D(and you should well realize I know just how good you are at this sport MTL) I disagree with you on standing in and par 60.

First, I can stand in and throw 350 feet as can any accomplished player (and in fact, a good player can throw even farther). A Par 60 course isn't just about distance, it's about accuracy, dog legs, approach areas and thinking. All of that aside, standing in, even by your measure, would increase the pars of a number of courses, thus moving them towards the Par 60 goal.

As for cheating, when I say no cheating I mean no cheating. I've yet to see a tournament played where there wasn't ample intentional and especially unintentional rules breaking. I want an attitude adjustment where players "really" police themselves. Oh wait, that's back to the wishful thinking thread.

Breakfast, lunch and dinner. We are so caught up in the Pro game and hard core tournament play that we've forgotten that this is supposed to be fun. Beer, and food would move us back in a direction that is more casual. It changes the emphasis of the sport.

So I missed the 2M rule, hey, if I were brilliant I'd have enough money to start my own sport and then all of these items would be reality, especially the wig requirement :D

I def. don't agree with your thoughts, but I can and do respect them :D

All courses be par 60 or higher
<font color="blue"> If you aren't going to allow us to run up on anything past a tee shot I def. don't want this to be the case. However, simple courses are needed to draw players into the game. I use Renny in Charlotte as an example a lot - some say this is the best course in the world and most people who have played it have it in at least thier top 10. If every single course in the world was like this, 80% of the people who played the game for the first time would not play again. Simple easy courses where Joe 3 disc can go out and shoot +4 makes him come back. Then as he starts to shoot 6 and 7 under, he will naturally become bored with the course and move on the tougher courses.</font>



have to disagree there Lyle... even thought Renny is considered a Pro Players Course... there is a constant flow of 'casuals' playing out there that you will never see @ one of our organized local events let alone a pdga event.

It was actually my first course i played and i'm still around and its still one of my wifes favorite courses and she rarely plays and cant throw over 150 (she is spoiled that her favorite courses get to be Renny and winthrop)

All courses be par 60 or higher
<font color="blue"> If you aren't going to allow us to run up on anything past a tee shot I def. don't want this to be the case. However, simple courses are needed to draw players into the game. I use Renny in Charlotte as an example a lot - some say this is the best course in the world and most people who have played it have it in at least thier top 10. If every single course in the world was like this, 80% of the people who played the game for the first time would not play again. Simple easy courses where Joe 3 disc can go out and shoot +4 makes him come back. Then as he starts to shoot 6 and 7 under, he will naturally become bored with the course and move on the tougher courses.</font>



have to disagree there Lyle... even thought Renny is considered a Pro Players Course... there is a constant flow of 'casuals' playing out there that you will never see @ one of our organized local events let alone a pdga event.

It was actually my first course i played and i'm still around and its still one of my wifes favorite courses and she rarely plays and cant throw over 150 (she is spoiled that her favorite courses get to be Renny and winthrop)



Let me restate, Par 60 from the long Tees. The concept of multiple Tee arrangements is a good thing.

BTW - I disagree with the notion that a player doing poorly on a tough course is going to make said player quit. I've seen way to much evidence to the contrary. In fact, I'd guess that a player for whom that makes a difference is probably not going to stay with the sport long term regardless.

I would much rather see multiple tees and one basket placement (unless there are multiple baskets on the hole) b/c then the player is always given the option of which layout to play rather than with moving baskets is forced into one layout.

BTW - I disagree with the notion that a player doing poorly on a tough course is going to make said player quit. I've seen way to much evidence to the contrary. In fact, I'd guess that a player for whom that makes a difference is probably not going to stay with the sport long term regardless.



More than a "tough" course, a course that is difficult to walk (creeks/streams/marshy areas that need to be crossed and no bridges - v. common in DFW courses) or a course that is difficult to navigate (no tee signs, no indication on or near the entrapment device as to the direction of the next tee) is much more likely to discourage a new DGer from returning.

I have never broken 100 on a ball golf course, but that doesn't keep me from playing, and when I do play, it is *really* easy to find the hole from the tee, and the next tee from the hole.

Lunch provided at tournaments does not cost the event any more cash. Charge $5 for lunch, hot dogs and or burgers, and you make money!!!!

BTW - I disagree with the notion that a player doing poorly on a tough course is going to make said player quit. I've seen way to much evidence to the contrary. In fact, I'd guess that a player for whom that makes a difference is probably not going to stay with the sport long term regardless.



More than a "tough" course, a course that is difficult to walk (creeks/streams/marshy areas that need to be crossed and no bridges - v. common in DFW courses) or a course that is difficult to navigate (no tee signs, no indication on or near the entrapment device as to the direction of the next tee) is much more likely to discourage a new DGer from returning.

I have never broken 100 on a ball golf course, but that doesn't keep me from playing, and when I do play, it is *really* easy to find the hole from the tee, and the next tee from the hole.



I like this one! the course should be easy to play in terms of finding your way around!

Lunch provided at tournaments does not cost the event any more cash. Charge $5 for lunch, hot dogs and or burgers, and you make money!!!!



Not cash, but you need a minimum of 3-4 more volunteers to get that rolling, plus making money isn't as easy as it would seem, with having to guestimate how much and what food to buy without coming up short (pissing off players) and have an excess (that's where you're $2 per burger profit goes bye-bye.)

If properly planned with volunteers available, yes this could be profitable, but often those resources are not readily available.

I'm just as happy letting a 3rd party lunch provider come in to handle everything..have them come in the morning, take orders and money, and return at lunchtime w/ food..much less strenuous.

At the ZZ open, we decided we could makle the most profit by making pasta. Homemade sauce, penne pasta, rolls, and parm cheese, soda...First soda was free, second a dollar. We raised well over 100$ for one day with lunch. Two volunteers to take money and serve.

So far too many JESTERS and not enough Kings and Queens.

Ok, here is some of my random thoughts on what I would like to see.

1. Get rid of bad TDs. I understand the volunteer aspect and appreciate it, but man, if you can't fill out a TD report correctly or do a payout correctly or organize a leader board in under 30 min or have a players meeting shorter than 20 min......

2. Harsher penalties for drug / alcohol violations. Why does this still happen? Well, it will always happen - but, the very small penalties for such don't help.

3. More staggered start final rounds / final 9's - gives the chance to let amateurs see pros play, which they rarely do.

4. Adjust payouts in majors much better - it is sad that if you finish 15th in the world championships you struggle to break even that week.

5. Have local clubs donate to the world championships. Imagine if every club around the country ran just one tournament throughout the year and all the profits were donated to the world championships how much money you could have right there. It would be similar to an ice bowl or worlds biggest.

1. No whining--PERIOD.
2. Foursomes, no fivesomes at tournaments--see #1
3. No added, extra holes for PDGA events. See #1 and #2
4. DROTs are holed out. See #1
5. Tournaments must start on time. See #1
6. See #1.

:D:D:D

Cincinnati



Great Disc Golf City!!! I love business trips up there.

7. Trophy-only for ams. See #1 above.

Ok, here is some of my random thoughts on what I would like to see.

1. Get rid of bad TDs. I understand the volunteer aspect and appreciate it, but man, if you can't fill out a TD report correctly or do a payout correctly or organize a leader board in under 30 min or have a players meeting shorter than 20 min......


5. Have local clubs donate to the world championships. Imagine if every club around the country ran just one tournament throughout the year and all the profits were donated to the world championships how much money you could have right there. It would be similar to an ice bowl or worlds biggest.


Why should local clubs contribute when most members (local club) aren't PDGA members and already pay an Asinine $10 to play. Take some from that.

And DON'T get ME started on the Alcohol thing. It should atleast be sold to spectators. (Like other PROFESSIONAL EVENTS)

And DON'T get ME started on the Alcohol thing. It should atleast be sold to spectators. (Like other PROFESSIONAL EVENTS)



The main problem is most tournaments take place where alcohol is illegal.

NOT WHEN I'M KING and At several WORLDS COURSEs this YEAR.

Coldbrook tourneys in the day always had a keg of Bells when we finished

will they have Bell's @ Worlds?! one would think so but man would that be awesome. (its not technically illegal to drink @ worlds if you are playing is it?!)

- everyone would pre-register
- no one would ask for their payout before you're ready to give it to them
- they would listen at the players meeting
- no stupid questions regarding info which is in the printed materials
- trees would pull up their roots and shuffle out of the way of my disc
- waters would part to allow my disc to be dry
- big fat outside sponsorship without asking for it
- no multi-use courses
- cheaters would be summarily executed
- 80% of the field would be really hot chicks who are hot for the best golfer on any given day
- 20% of the field would be ugly men who i can beat every time
- the ratings system would be based on math that actually holds up under scrutiny
- volunteers would all be replaced by capable professionals in every capacity
- no idiots
- no whining idiots
- no whining crybaby idiots
- no whining crybaby idiots whose parents didn't spend enough time with them
- cow poop at HH would be worth it's weight in gold

- everyone would pre-register
- no one would ask for their payout before you're ready to give it to them
- they would listen at the players meeting
- no stupid questions regarding info which is in the printed materials
- trees would pull up their roots and shuffle out of the way of my disc
- waters would part to allow my disc to be dry
- big fat outside sponsorship without asking for it
- no multi-use courses
- cheaters would be summarily executed
- 80% of the field would be really hot chicks who are hot for the best golfer on any given day
- 20% of the field would be ugly men who i can beat every time
- the ratings system would be based on math that actually holds up under scrutiny
- volunteers would all be replaced by capable professionals in every capacity
- no idiots
- no whining idiots
- no whining crybaby idiots
- no whining crybaby idiots whose parents didn't spend enough time with them
- cow poop at HH would be worth it's weight in gold



I was laughing most of the way and then the last one REALLY got me rolling.

nice thread idea Rich!

this isnt complete, but as King of Disc Golf i will complete it as i wish :Dmy first 100 days would do this:

1. Decree that 2008 as The Year of Respect for the Rules. rules violators (including equipment rules) will be racked.


2. overhaul the competition structure.
2.a for the true pros who can qualify: the Showcase Tour. a string of 4-6 events worth at least 75K. Open, Women, Masters (over 50) only.
2.b for developing,serious players: the Dev Tour. what you see today as NT,A,and large B tier events in PDGA nomenclature, and the larger field non-pdga events. analagous to the developmental tour in ball golf.
2.c for other players: the Players Tour. use the pdga div structure if you wish, or any other you feel like. this tour is for fun, for new players, for less-serious weekends. this tour will use the new, abbreviated rule book.

3. free all disgolf related data. all service providers will henceforth enjoy equal access and can efficiently exchange player, event, course and other data among themselves and with the kingdom's databases. horders of the Kingdom's data will face judas cradle


4. open the kingdom's coffers to encourage regional and local entities, tours, coalitions and discourage federal ones. federal ones that attempt to tax heavily will be seated in a very uncomfortable 16th century chair.


5. provide event insurance at cost. any middle man offering event insurance at a profit will be tickled


6. create a rating system that updates standings within 30 seconds of the receipt of an event results file.

7. change the tech standards to the following:
a.
discs must be less than 30cm diameter
b. discs must be less than 10cm height
c. discs must weight less than 200gm
violaters will face (of course!) The Wheel

- 80% of the field would be really hot chicks who are hot for the best golfer on any given day
- 20% of the field would be ugly men who i can beat every time



hey John, i'm doing the math, and i think you just said that when you get to be King of Disc Golf, you want to be a really hot chick who is into really hot chicks.

Did you say rack?

http://evilbeetgossip.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/giselle.jpg

- 80% of the field would be really hot chicks who are hot for the best golfer on any given day
- 20% of the field would be ugly men who i can beat every time


hey John, i'm doing the math, and i think you just said that when you get to be King of Disc Golf, you want to be a really hot chick who is into really hot chicks.



i knew my math was askew but i was hoping no one would catch it (similar to the rating system)- but i would be ok with your scenario either way. :D;)