I'm wondering what some opinions are about the current PDGA dresscode for A, NT, and Major tournaments.

Gregg

As long as your shirt doesn't say Disc Golf Elite, it should be allowed... I kid, I kid Gregg.

Mmk... According to the Competition Manual the brunt of the dress code isn't in place for A-Tiers, just the shirt and shoes rule. It is "recommended" for A-Tier (supertour) events.


maintain a clean and well-groomed appearance
at all event sites and associated functions.


I'm not sure who decides what is clean and well groomed, to be honest.


All players must wear a shirt covering their upper
chest area. A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down,
mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered
collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm
from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as
the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable.


I'm fine with this so long as they don't outlaw my favored shirt: a button down buttoned in only the very middle for as much air flow as possible in the summer.


No tee shirts will be allowed, except for competitors in
the Junior and Amateur divisions during preliminary
rounds only. Juniors and Amateurs shall not wear tee
shirts during semifinal or final rounds.


I'm meh on this. Personally I am a fan of t-shirts and a threadbare one breathes very well. I can see the need for decorum, but t-shirts look good in some cases and dress shirts can look horrid.

The PDGA would have me wear...
http://www.nhl.com/features/gallery/finals/gm3/images/page3.jpg
(no offense to Don Cherry, he's effin' great...)
before they'd let me wear...
http://www.marshallstreetdiscgolf.com/prodimages/tshirt_soft_mst_big.jpg

Too bad. :)

The unhemmed thing is kind of dumb. I have plenty of collared shirts that are unhemmed at the sleeves and at the bottom of the shirt. They're great shirts, tasteful and more than good enough for a silly sanctioned tournament, but technically I'm violating the competition manual if I wear them... The hell, eh?

Finally the profanity thing I'm okay with. There are young kids at events, no need to expose them to things they don't need to be exposed to.


-Chris.

is it a stroke if you are not with in the dress code?

is it a stroke if you are not with in the dress code?



You "COULD" be asked to leave......OR may not be allowed to play UNTIL the dress code is met.

Those dress codes are pathetic... must maintain a well groomed and whatever appearance. judging the book by its cover, gotta love it.. :p

... judging the book by its cover, gotta love it.. :p



last time I checked, that's how the real world works.

... judging the book by its cover, gotta love it.. :p



last time I checked, that's how the real world works.



You are exactly right!!! And if we want the REAL world to accept and sponsor and watch and support our events then we better start acting and presenting ourselves like professionals!!! You dont see Kenny or Barry or Feldburg or Jenkins or any of the SUPER PROS dressing like crap or wearing cut offs or looking like a bum that just walked out of an alley do you??? No you dont because their sponsors and supporters expect and in most cases im sure INSIST that they look and act like professionals while playing and attending ANY event from a XD Tier all the way to the USDGC and Players Cup!!!

This is the real world folks and if you want this sport to go anywhere your going to have to accept that the world looks at something and judges it without any prior knowledge of anything............So man up wear nice looking apparel when you play and MAYBE just MAYBE the real world will start to take us seriously and not just look at us like a bunch of drunk stoner bums that throw frisbees at trees!!!

And dont give me the I CANT PLAY WELL IN A COLLARED SHIRT!!! Its BS and almost ALL the top pros do it and it doesnt seem to affect them at all!!! And to all the people who use that excuse do you REALLY think Climo would have played better this year if he wore a T shirt instead of a collared shirt???

... judging the book by its cover, gotta love it.. :p



last time I checked, that's how the real world works.


Of course! stereotyping is just the way it is!! in that case it must be correct.

I'm sorry looking nice is such a struggle for people.

I never said there was anything wrong with looking nice! :p

of course not, you said you want to dress like an alcoholic pothead without being stereotyped as one.

: ) :

way off!! I never said anything even remotely resembling that! :p

collard shirts can still be tye dyed :p ,
what rule will ban tye dye to help shed the pothead image?
or how about the Mullet? If an outsider sees someone on TV playin disc golf with a mullet, that would forever ruin the sport /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

especially a Myspace Mullett.. :p

... judging the book by its cover, gotta love it.. :p



last time I checked, that's how the real world works.



do you REALLY think Climo would have played better this year if he wore a T shirt instead of a collared shirt???


Yes.




:D:D:D:D

Collared shirts as a "dress code" is a joke, DISC GOLF Iis not GOLF! golf is a sport that old RICH yuppies play, Disc golf is a new sport with tons of youth getiing involed and addicted to the game.
there needs to be a dresscode, its should be about cleanliness.

btw, my hair is not a mullet lol!!!!

... judging the book by its cover, gotta love it.. :p



last time I checked, that's how the real world works.



do you REALLY think Climo would have played better this year if he wore a T shirt instead of a collared shirt???


Yes.




:D:D:D:D



Then you REALLY REALLY REALLY have problems!!!

Collared shirts as a "dress code" is a joke, DISC GOLF Iis not GOLF! golf is a sport that old RICH yuppies play, Disc golf is a new sport with tons of youth getiing involed and addicted to the game.
there needs to be a dresscode, its should be about cleanliness.

btw, my hair is not a mullet lol!!!!



Sorry to disagree but im POSITIVE there are many many many more youths that are getting involved and addicted to Ball Golf AND they are required at most courses to look like a presentable decent human being!!! I could care less what your hair looks like but dont roll up to a professional event in cut off jeans and a ratty T Shirt!!! You make yourself AND the sport look bad!!!

Oh and I know someone on here is going to say " OH BUT I CANT AFFORD A DECENT COLLARED SHIRT!!!!" and to that I say there are thrift stores everywhere with quality collared shirts for much less than the cost of a disc!!!

Get a collared shirt...........Get some decent looking shorts and make the sport look good!!! Its not hard and whether you like it or not the world outside of disc golf and some INSIDE the world of disc golf with judge you by how you look NOT by what kind of person you are........By the way Greg I play ball golf and by no means am I rich or a yuppie and in this day and age WAY more middle class and even middle to lower class people play ball golf and most of them find it in their budget to look presentable to the outside world!!!

No offense by the way, and I love your hair :D:D:D

hey greg, how have you not gotten the trademark infringement warning yet? the last time someone (ab)used the logo they got in trouble. :eek:

Seeing you are a PDGA board member you are obligated to protect the interests of the PDGA. Do something about it rather than just act like an outsider. It may fall under parody, but if you don't defend your trademarks, you can lose them. IANAL.

I'm gonna go <font color="green">green</font> &amp; PDGA legal by sewing some <font color="green">collards</font> into my T-shirts' necklines. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Collared shirts as a "dress code" is a joke, DISC GOLF Iis not GOLF! golf is a sport that old RICH yuppies play, Disc golf is a new sport with tons of youth getiing involed and addicted to the game.
there needs to be a dresscode, its should be about cleanliness.





Sorry to disagree but im POSITIVE there are many many many more youths that are getting involved and addicted to Ball Golf AND they are required at most courses to look like a presentable decent human being!!! I could care less what your hair looks like but dont roll up to a professional event in cut off jeans and a ratty T Shirt!!! You make yourself AND the sport look bad!!!

Oh and I know someone on here is going to say " OH BUT I CANT AFFORD A DECENT COLLARED SHIRT!!!!" and to that I say there are thrift stores everywhere with quality collared shirts for much less than the cost of a disc!!!

Get a collared shirt...........Get some decent looking shorts and make the sport look good!!! Its not hard and whether you like it or not the world outside of disc golf and some INSIDE the world of disc golf with judge you by how you look NOT by what kind of person you are........By the way Greg I play ball golf and by no means am I rich or a yuppie and in this day and age WAY more middle class and even middle to lower class people play ball golf and most of them find it in their budget to look presentable to the outside world!!!





This is an excellent way to teach young people how to follow rules and present themselves appropriately. It doesn't matter whether it's disc golf or ball golf, the lesson is a good one. The percentage of the current population that learned this lesson seems to be lower than when I was growing up.

The perception of disc golf as a haven for people who don't want to follow rules does nothing to advance the sport to where it deserves to be.

It's too bad we have thug golfers on TV teaching kids to not follow the rules right? :p

Davids reply on PGA Dress code (http://www.golfonline.com/golfonline/features/feherty/columnist/0,17742,1161647,00.html)

It's funny that players on the PGA tour are allowed to wear non-collard shirts and disc golfers are not :D:eek:

It's funny that players on the PGA tour are allowed to wear non-collard shirts and disc golfers are not :D:eek:



You might want to read the rule on that again.

Disc Golf has a lot further to go for respect than ball golf.


... Although NASCAR is more popular than ball golf these days. Maybe we should ALL grow mandatory mullets and wear flannel?

this is the only rule i found on dress code for the PGA.


Dress Code

Female participants must wear slacks, culottes, walking shorts, or golf skirts which constitute acceptable clothing worn by women in connection with participation in professional golf tournaments. <font color="red"> Male participants must wear slacks and participants shall not wear shorts anywhere on club property. Jeans are not to be considered slacks. </font>

I was talking about the PDGA dress code.

(3) No tee shirts will be allowed, except for competitors in
the Junior and Amateur divisions during preliminary
rounds only. Juniors and Amateurs shall not wear tee
shirts during semifinal or final rounds. Crew neck or
V-neck shirts made of high-performance or high-tech
materials, such as Dry-Fit, Cool-Max, and others will
be allowed.

So the only change is you cant wear cotton tee-shirts? Are Dri-fit T-shirts ok? or does it have to be a V-neck?

I guess it's not really that big of a deal <font color="blue"> innapropriate material deleted </font>

this is the only rule i found on dress code for the PGA.


Dress Code

Female participants must wear slacks, culottes, walking shorts, or golf skirts which constitute acceptable clothing worn by women in connection with participation in professional golf tournaments. <font color="red"> Male participants must wear slacks and participants shall not wear shorts anywhere on club property. Jeans are not to be considered slacks. </font>



Did you find that on the PGA website, or on a flyer for a PGA Sectional golf tournament (which, by the way, is not the PGA Tour)? The PGA Tour Dress Code is not on their website.

The traditional golf dress code is dictated by the clubs they play at, for the most part. We play in public parks. I would think clean and neat is the best dress code for us. Our sport did not evolve from country clubs. You can be professional without wearing a suit and tie, or a collared shirt, or a tuxedo. It all depends on your milieu. A person wearing a tee shirt would be out of place if he were working in a commercial law firm. A person wearing a shirt and tie would be out of place playing disc golf.

Chap

Seeing you are a PDGA board member you are obligated to protect the interests of the PDGA. Do something about it rather than just act like an outsider. It may fall under parody, but if you don't defend your trademarks, you can lose them. IANAL.

absolutely agreed. dont assume it has not been mentioned. previous "adaptations" have been cease-and-desisted.

I don't mind wearing a collared shirt, but if your going to wear one why not put on a decent pair of shorts? I've never been a fan of wearing a collared shirt with a pair of gym shorts, I think it looks tacky. Plus, if the pdga is going to enforce collared shirts they should make you wear a presentable pair of shorts as well. If the PGA was allowed to wear shorts do you think they would be wearing gym shorts? Heck no! Below are some examples of what i'm talking about.

http://www.innovadiscs.com/team/images/matt_orum/finals_awards-119.jpg

http://www.dgwn.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/nateyell.jpg





http://www.innovadiscs.com/team/images/ken_climo/DSC_9655.jpg http://static.flickr.com/83/214614880_4e1293adb3.jpg http://www.usdgcblog.com/USDGC_2007/2007-10-05/hole_1_G_1.jpg

www.yahoo.com/s/774777 ("")

want more payout? maybe we need to get some strippers to hang around the tees and greens, put Mark Cubans HDNet video experts out there, get Imus to do the voiceover, and go try the opposite route for a while?

I don't mind wearing a collared shirt, but if your going to wear one why not put on a decent pair of shorts? I've never been a fan of wearing a collared shirt with a pair of gym shorts, I think it looks tacky. Plus, if the pdga is going to enforce collared shirts they should make you wear a presentable pair of shorts as well. If the PGA was allowed to wear shorts do you think they would be wearing gym shorts? Heck no! Below are some examples of what I'm talking about.

Not sure what I think about the shorts, I don't spend a lot of time looking guys' legs. (There doesn't exist a pair of shorts that I would look good in.) But if I, personally, were sanctioning or sponsoring the event pictured, I can confidently say that the guys wearing collared shirts present the image I would want to stick with people.

It's also really, really nice that no one is smoking. :cool:

this is the only rule i found on dress code for the PGA.


Dress Code

Female participants must wear slacks, culottes, walking shorts, or golf skirts which constitute acceptable clothing worn by women in connection with participation in professional golf tournaments. <font color="red"> Male participants must wear slacks and participants shall not wear shorts anywhere on club property. Jeans are not to be considered slacks. </font>



Did you find that on the PGA website, or on a flyer for a PGA Sectional golf tournament (which, by the way, is not the PGA Tour)? The PGA Tour Dress Code is not on their website.

The traditional golf dress code is dictated by the clubs they play at, for the most part. We play in public parks. I would think clean and neat is the best dress code for us. Our sport did not evolve from country clubs. You can be professional without wearing a suit and tie, or a collared shirt, or a tuxedo. It all depends on your milieu. A person wearing a tee shirt would be out of place if he were working in a commercial law firm. A person wearing a shirt and tie would be out of place playing disc golf.

Chap



The real question is??? What image does a T Shirt vs. A collared Shirt project to the outside world looking in???

Id say if potential sponsors showed up to 2 different events, one inforcing a collared shirt and decent shorts/pants/Skirts or whatever and one not enforcing it they would be much more likely to sponsor the event with the Dress code enforced because A it just flat out LOOKS better......B it makes their company look better which what sponsorship is all about and C it makes the people playing the sport look alot more serious about what they are doing. And when it comes to sponsorship why should anyone outside the sport care about how we look and function if WE the players dont even care how we look or function???

Dress codes are everywhere.........They are there for a reason and the reason is a good one.

I mean do people really LIKE the fact that when people see a disc golf tournament going on or here about one the 1st thing that comes to mind is a bunch of bums getting drunk and high while throwing frisbees threw the woods???

the way you say it, it sounds like you want to trick people into sponsoring your event.

bottom line for me is that i want to enjoy the game. i dont know that i have a large problem with the dresscode (because of the dryfit uncollared options) but pretending to be something you arent, i do have a problem with. i dont think that trying to pretend we belong to some country club, or equate ourselves to 'ball golfers' is the answer.

if you think the dresscode is a good thing, without referring to the pga or ball golf thats great. but, i dont think that being the PGA should be the goal, especially for the stage that this sport is at.

you have to remember that not only sponsors see the players all dressed up, but also newcomers and casual players. id be willing to bet that if every pdga member played the course all the time in dress pants and collared shirts, many of those casuals would never play a tournament. its just not everyones idea of fun to have to dress nice to play. comfort is very high on many peoples list.

It's also really, really nice that no one is smoking. :cool:




http://static.flickr.com/83/214614880_4e1293adb3.jpg

Wasn't this image on the COVER of DGWN?


Hey, What's that crouching guy doing in the background? Is he preparing something? Use your photo image magnifier and i think you'll see.

Still looking at the world through green colored glasses?

If you crank the zoom up to 400% it does look like the crouching guy may just be up to something less than legal...

Also at 400% My_Hero's avatar is even more disturbing than normal too. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

it doesnt look like a disc golf move, does it. whatever it is, its not smoking

Is that Pepper in the red hat? :D

Still looking at the world through green colored glasses?



No Greggy. My sis and i graduated to these. Don't need the zoom to see what the guy is doing when wearing this kind. Check us out:

http://strangecosmos.com/images/content/100734.jpg

It's also really, really nice that no one is smoking. :cool:




http://static.flickr.com/83/214614880_4e1293adb3.jpg

Wasn't this image on the COVER of DGWN?


Hey, What's that crouching guy doing in the background? Is he preparing something? Use your photo image magnifier and i think you'll see.


Oh come on, that's obviously a child playing in the dirt. You're REALLY reaching with that one.

Reaching for what Chris? The only thing i mentioned is he is preparing something. What exactly are YOU talking about?

Thanks Pat and David (what's up?) for making me laugh uncontrollably. I'm drooling on my keyboard. John, last time I saw Julia she didn't look anything like this girl and I know the Florida sunshine couldn't do that to anybody. For those that have not had the pleasure of meeting jiggle's sister know that if Hero was a woman he'd be smok'in!

Reaching for what Chris? The only thing i mentioned is he is preparing something. What exactly are YOU talking about?


Quite obviously I am talking about banana cream pie and crumb cakes.

Yummmmmm. Jiggly man's favorite, except i now need a XXXXXL collared shirt for the Players Cup and USDGC.

the way you say it, it sounds like you want to trick people into sponsoring your event.

No tricking just enticing!!!


bottom line for me is that i want to enjoy the game. i dont know that i have a large problem with the dresscode (because of the dryfit uncollared options) but pretending to be something you arent, i do have a problem with. i dont think that trying to pretend we belong to some country club, or equate ourselves to 'ball golfers' is the answer.



Who is asking you to pretend anything..........All we are asking is that you look like a professional for god sakes!!! Is that too much to ask of people who are playing a sport at a PROFESSIONAL level??? Plus no one is asking you to equate yourself to a ball golfer........Again all im asking is that professionals look and act like professionals.


if you think the dresscode is a good thing, without referring to the pga or ball golf thats great. but, i dont think that being the PGA should be the goal, especially for the stage that this sport is at.




I do think the dress code is a GREAT thing and NOT because ball golf or any other sport does it (but those are good reasons as well). I think it makes our sport look more serious more classy and ALOT more professional. Oh and alot of the reason our sport is in the position its in and not closer to mainstream is BECAUSE of our image. So I think its a HUGE step in the right direction if it is ENFORCED at all the higher level tournaments and heck I even think it should be enforced at B Tiers and above since they draw quite a bit of attendance and need quite a bit of added cash to become a solid B tier.


you have to remember that not only sponsors see the players all dressed up, but also newcomers and casual players. id be willing to bet that if every pdga member played the course all the time in dress pants and collared shirts, many of those casuals would never play a tournament. its just not everyones idea of fun to have to dress nice to play. comfort is very high on many peoples list.



Did I say I want everyone to wear dress pants and collared shirts??? Im pretty sure I didnt...........I said a collared shirt and decent looking pants or shorts.........Nothing more nothing less........Comfortable yet still classy and professional...........And you dont see anyone getting turned away from ball golf because they have to wear slacks and a collared shirt.......I dont know who you are but you can be comfortable and wear slacks and a collared shirt........I do it every time I set foot on a ball golf course......I dont think we should wear slacks........It would be much harder to play in those seeing as we have much more lower body movement than ball golf.........All I said was collared shirt and decent looking pants/shorts/skirts. And im talking about tournament play............I never said you should play casually this way and there is no way to enforce that anyway because we DONT play at a country club we play almost exclusivley in city parks for FREE so anyone and everyone can basically do and wear what they want, but when it comes tournament time everyone should look classy and professional not dirty, broke and lazy!!!

you guys just like to argue...

1)collard shirts are not mandatory
2)tournement sponsors don't sponsor the weekend of the tourney it's usually months before.
3)i respect other pro athletes that don't wear collars like basketball, baseball, football, soccer, cyclist, etc....
4)i just bought 3-4 drifit t shirts and what makes a Vneck better than a round neck? i know i wouldn't look more professional if i showed a little chest hair /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
5)is a crew neck the same as a t-shirt??? cause the images that came up when i searched look like it :confused: if so nevermind #4
6)after reading the rule about 4 times it looks like you can wear almost any shirt as long as its "high tech material",

you guys just like to argue...

1)collard shirts are not madatory <font color="orange"> This is true but they should be!!! </font>
2)tournement sponsors don't sponsor the weekend of the tourney it's usually months before. <font color="orange"> This is true but if they show up to the event they sponsor and see that people looke great and professional in the event they sponsor they will be more willing to sponsor next year or the next event </font>
3)i respect other pro athletes that don't wear collars like basketball, baseball, football, soccer, cyclist, etc.... <font color="orange"> Those are all TEAM sports and they wear uniforms........Would it be ok for Rasheed Wallace to show up to a Pistons game in a Tar Heels Uniform??? I think not </font>
4)i just bought 3-4 drifit t shirts and what makes a Vneck better than a round neck? i know i wouldn't look more professional if i showed a little chest hair /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif <font color="orange"> Those are legal as of now and they look professional.....Not dirty and torn and like a bum would wear. </font>
5)is a crew neck the same as a t-shirt??? cause the images that came up when i searched look like it :confused: if so nevermind #4 <font color="orange"> Im pretty sure they are the same thing........Crew just means it may be a little more defined than a standard cotton T-Shirt </font>

we play almost exclusivley in city parks for FREE so anyone and everyone can basically do and wear what they want, but when it comes tournament time everyone should look classy and professional not dirty, broke and lazy!!!



A better level of attire at tournaments may help, at public parks, let casual players as well as other park users know that something "serious" is going on.

Some people will take instruction about moving their picnic more readily from a well groomed disc golfer than from an inscence peddler.

The first time I played Hudson Mills Monster Course, Sheila and I stood on the tee pad for Hole 18 and said, "We'd better see what's around that corner."

We walked down the fairway and across the bridge and saw this old guy (seriously, older than me) and his wife setting up a picnic blanket about where we figured my drive would land.

We approached them and explained that they were on the fairway for a disc golf course and that we wanted them to know that there was a good chance they would have to "duck" my disc. (I even showed him what the sharp edge of a driver looks like.)

The "man in charge" told me that he "understood" about "people like you" and that if I further annoyed him, he would go to his car and get his hand gun.

When I went to the park office for assistance, I was quite happy to be wearing a collared shirt.

maybe if you were wearing a tye dye t-shirt he would have been less intimidated and not threatened you. :p

I posted the below sometime in 2004 on a similar thread. I would say the post still represents my position well enough to repost it. I edited out a couple of specific comments responding to other smaller issues related to that thread. My last thought is, if collard shirts for NTs cause this much whining, what will happen when a minimum rating to play a NT/Major occurs one day?


This thread bothers me because it seems to be a forum for people to create an excuse for their poor play in tournaments and major PDGA events. Oh no! A collar and those tight sleeves are going to cause me to play like cr*p and prove that I don�t really throw/putt/play as well as I say I do on the �How Far Can You Drive/How to Putt/Ratings� Threads.

Here�s my take on all the above whining (all the posts)�It�s BULL for so many reasons.

We play in Ice Bowls to raise money for charity in the middle of winter for crying out loud. Maybe all of you are from the South but many disc golfers play in parkas, goggles, gloves, even snowshoes have a good time and raise money for a good cause. Here in Colorado, I�ve seen some pretty good players play well bundled up in blizzards. Now granted�no one I�ve seen in an Ice Bowl has had the discomfort and disadvantage of wearing a collard shirt at the time so maybe this is an entirely different issue.

The PDGA saying that players at a top-level tournament need to conform (not a word many disc golfers like I know) to a certain dress code is about image for the sponsors and media and pride and respect of the people who take disc golf to the highest levels. Disc golf is growing and the better public image we have the easier it will be to take it to the next level. I�d love to see live USDGC coverage on ESPN2 someday. But that won�t happen until some major money starts coming in. It�s about selling an image.

I have run tournaments here in Montrose, Colorado for four years now (Ice Bowls, One day events, and C &amp; B-tiers). Trying to sell disc golf to sponsors is hard enough without running up against the negative image some people seem proud to perpetuate on the courses and on this forum. Are they disc golfers�yes. Are they welcome at my tournaments�YES! Are they who I want on the front page of the local paper putting at a basket�NO! I want a positive image for disc golf in Montrose, in Colorado and around the world so I can send copies of the articles from the paper to my sponsors so they feel they are getting their money�s worth in sponsoring future disc golf events. It�s positive images my club needs so we can continue to get support from the City and Recreation Departments to upgrade the existing course we have and plan future courses. When someone writes, �The Bowl Hole� on a tee sign (I assume your courses have at least one similar hole even if it�s not so obviously marked) it�s kinda funny until you hope that someone important from the city doesn�t see it and nix the use of land or doesn�t include your club in planning of the growth of the park and the baskets your group raised six grand for disappear and you�re back to throwing at trees with flagging on them.

Whining about a dress code is a slap in the face to the thousands of people who run large PDGA events, build courses, volunteer hours, raise money, create ratings systems, etc. just so you can play in an organized event, get a little swag in your player�s package and hopefully a prize if you can overcome the difficulties of your attire. The ones doing their best to put on great events for the masses want their players to pretend to look nice just in case a TV crew actually comes by or the newspaper photographer shows up. They take it seriously at that level and want the players to as well.

If you don�t want to wear at collared shirt or footwear of any kind while you play, don�t play A-Tiers and other Majors. Stick to the lower Tier events or non-sanctioned events, enjoy the heck out of it and wear what you want. If you want to play big events because you think you�re good enough (We all know we are despite our results in the past), or you want the experience, or wanna see the awesome people play�wear nicer clothing. Heck�you�ve even got options several people have listed. Show that chest hair through the Hawaiian shirt, get a white collared shirt tie-dyed (one of the best Masters golfers in Colorado has two for big events), get collared shirts with your club logo made for the members who travel to tournaments and wear them with pride�or get a bowling shirt in medium-quasar-metallic-blue�Whatever!. Last year for prom (I teach high school in Western Colorado) a junior girl thought that all the dresses were ugly so she and her mom made one out of camouflage (Mossy Oak pattern) and a vest for her date. It was creative, made a statement, conformed to the dress code and actually looked pretty good. Do something similar that says I don�t conform but I meet the rules. It will add good color to the tournament.

If none of these options work but you still gotta see the great players play and stay true to the main negative image of disc golf because, �you�re alternative Man��smoke up in your car, wear the wife beater and cut-offs, flip flops and watch some those awesome few who try to make a �living� playing disc golf (in collared shirts no less) with a beer in you hand from the sidelines. Just because 99.9% of us will never be that good doesn�t mean they don�t have pride in their work (or art at times). They are the best, in general they present a clean image through their behavior during tournaments and they don�t whine about dress codes much. They understand that it�s their practice (rather than how loudly they post on this forum) that matters.

Support your local disc golf club, throw a tournament, play a tournament or just play disc golf. It�s a great game so enjoy in the way that fits you best.

Max Maclay
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p.s. I moved to Denver this past summer but each year after our event, I was able to hit all my sponsors with a thankyou letter and photos from the local paper of disc golfers and the associated stories. The last two years, box scores were included! It was a big hit and is one of the reasons I was able to get over $1000-$2500 in cash sponsorships the past three years for the Montrose Open. Looking good and acting nice does make a difference. I always wore a collared shirt when asking for sponsorships! :cool:

ok, all of the talk from here previous aside, here is a different question. how would you feel about a dresscode that excludes certain things, instead of requiring certain things.

for example perhaps it says, 'acceptable clothing contains.. no stains, tares or holes, which is also clean and free from offensive material'

im not saying this is an answer, or even my opinion. im just curious to see weather the problem for people is in the conformity and envisioned restriction, or the fact that there is a dresscode at all.

??

Good question. Does the clean part have to be during the entire round? What about at the start of the 2nd round of a day? Many golfers have a way to get dust/dirt/blood etc on themselves throughout a round (myself VERY included). If all courses were grass it might not be a problem but any dust on the bag straps gets transfered to my shirt pretty quickly.

Also, who gets to decide what "clean" is or what a stain is or even "offensive material"? I have a different view of clean than my wife does so I figure golfers wouold have many different opinions as well.

I also think some people (comment not directed at any actual individual) don't care as much about appearance to the public during a tournament so rules asking a certain amount of conformity "stick in their craw." It is just supposed to be a fun game. However, I've heard much more cursing from players about their shooting rather than their attire so I don't think the clothes are restricting their fun. It's their attitude towards their game and how they play. Well...that's a different subject.

I think there will be whining either way. If the PDGA asks for what it expects (players at their TOP EVENTS ONLY to look pretty decent) it is more likely to get it than by having a list of what is not allowed that will get longer and longer as people find exceptions that are not acceptable to the PDGA.

Any thoughts from others?

Chings and cheers,

MADMAX
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All,

In my opinion,

A) It is a virtual impossibility to create a manageable list of exclusions.
B) The question of what is "offensive" is dependant on the TD/Official, as well as each competitor. If you are wearing something that might be offensive to another competitor (or multiple competitors), I would suggest bringing a second shirt with you.
C) Dresscodes (or any rules) need to be enforced in order to be valuable.

Thank you,

Steve

Good question. Does the clean part have to be during the entire round? What about at the start of the 2nd round of a day? Many golfers have a way to get dust/dirt/blood etc on themselves throughout a round (myself VERY included). If all courses were grass it might not be a problem but any dust on the bag straps gets transfered to my shirt pretty quickly.

Also, who gets to decide what "clean" is or what a stain is or even "offensive material"? I have a different view of clean than my wife does so I figure golfers would have many different opinions as well.

I also think some people (comment not directed at any actual individual) don't care as much about appearance to the public during a tournament so rules asking a certain amount of conformity "stick in their craw." It is just supposed to be a fun game. However, I've heard much more cursing from players about their shooting rather than their attire so I don't think the clothes are restricting their fun. It's their attitude towards their game and how they play. Well...that's a different subject.

I think there will be whining either way. If the PDGA asks for what it expects (players at their TOP EVENTS ONLY to look pretty decent) it is more likely to get it than by having a list of what is not allowed that will get longer and longer as people find exceptions that are not acceptable to the PDGA.

Any thoughts from others?

Chings and cheers,

MADMAX
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I bristle at one thing you said, and I think it's a common theme for many people.

You said (and I might be paraphrasing): "We're seliing an image."

I think you're wrong there, or at the very least, you're putting the cart before the horse.

We ARE selling the game/sport of disc golf first. Image is secondary. If you can't sell the sport to people, it won't matter whether players are dressed in tee shirts or tuxedos. Let's face it, our sport is a bit of an acquired taste, and while people DO like to play it, watching it on TV is a different story entirely. The same can be said of traditional golf. Tradtional golf's ratings aren't really that great, but it appeals to a segment of people who are a little more affluent, and can afford to support traditional golf's sponsors (Cadillac, Rolex, etc...) More people were brought into watching traditional golf when John Daly won the PGA, and then it literally exploded when Tiger woods came along. But still, TV ratings for Sunday at the Masters pale in comparison to the Super Bowl, or even the World Series.

And Terry, I think people in the park office would not have treated you differently if you showed up in a tee shirt. I'm sure tee shirts are traditional dress for most park-goers at Hudson Mills. If I were a park ranger there, you would have more than gotten my attention when you said the guy had a "handgun".

Chap

We ARE selling the game/sport of disc golf first. Image is secondary. If you can't sell the sport to people, it won't matter whether players are dressed in tee shirts or tuxedos. Let's face it, our sport is a bit of an acquired taste, and while people DO like to play it, watching it on TV is a different story entirely. The same can be said of traditional golf. Tradtional golf's ratings aren't really that great, but it appeals to a segment of people who are a little more affluent, and can afford to support traditional golf's sponsors (Cadillac, Rolex, etc...) More people were brought into watching traditional golf when John Daly won the PGA, and then it literally exploded when Tiger woods came along. But still, TV ratings for Sunday at the Masters pale in comparison to the Super Bowl, or even the World Series.



I agree with you Chap, but if your trying to sell the sport and you show up to a sponsors office with a Video of torn tye dye, cut off jean no sleeve having guys drinking beer and looking like bums, its going to be alot harder to sell than if you show up with a Final 9 Highlight video from worlds in which all the guys are wearing collared shirts and looking professional and acting like they actually CARE about the sport they are playing.

Just my 2 cents

We ARE selling the game/sport of disc golf first. Image is secondary. If you can't sell the sport to people, it won't matter whether players are dressed in tee shirts or tuxedos. Let's face it, our sport is a bit of an acquired taste, and while people DO like to play it, watching it on TV is a different story entirely. The same can be said of traditional golf. Tradtional golf's ratings aren't really that great, but it appeals to a segment of people who are a little more affluent, and can afford to support traditional golf's sponsors (Cadillac, Rolex, etc...) More people were brought into watching traditional golf when John Daly won the PGA, and then it literally exploded when Tiger woods came along. But still, TV ratings for Sunday at the Masters pale in comparison to the Super Bowl, or even the World Series.



I agree with you Chap, but if your trying to sell the sport and you show up to a sponsors office with a Video of torn tye dye, cut off jean no sleeve having guys drinking beer and looking like bums, its going to be alot harder to sell than if you show up with a Final 9 Highlight video from worlds in which all the guys are wearing collared shirts and looking professional and acting like they actually CARE about the sport they are playing.

Just my 2 cents



Actually, sponsors respond better to numbers. If you have lots of people watching and playing disc golf, the sponsors will come. If sponsors had a problem with ratty cut-off jeans, sneakers, and baggy clothes, skateboarding would never have gotten as many sponsors as it has.

I've watched skateboarding for many years and I don't recall seeing any COMPETITORS looking like you are suggesting. Sure, they wear clothes that are baggy and most wear t-shirts, but you don't see the wife-beaters or t-shirts with pot leaves, and most of the competitors I've seen are pretty clean-looking. I don't know for sure, but I'd bet there are some clothing restrictions at the X-Games. If there weren't, I suspect some of those COMPETITORS would make us cringe with what they would choose to wear.

I've watched skateboarding for many years and I don't recall seeing any COMPETITORS looking like you are suggesting. Sure, they wear clothes that are baggy and most wear t-shirts, but you don't see the wife-beaters or t-shirts with pot leaves, and most of the competitors I've seen are pretty clean-looking. I don't know for sure, but I'd bet there are some clothing restrictions at the X-Games. If there weren't, I suspect some of those COMPETITORS would make us cringe with what they would choose to wear.



And we've already establsihed that clean and neat would be acceptable. No one is suggesting that pot leaves and tee shirts promoting marijuana use should be acceptable dress for PDGA events. At least I'm not. And I don't think anyone's said there should be NO restrictions on dress. We just differ on what those restrictions should be.

I remember at the Wide Open in 2003 that I had to send a local player home to change shirts (he lived really close to the park) because he was wearing a tank top. However, this guy looked in the tank top, the tank top was PRESSED (yes, I mean ironed), and he looked very presentable. Meanwhile, there was another player that had a collared golf shirt, but looked dissheveled, wrinkled, and a little dirty (this was before the tournament started), yet he was in compliance with the dress code. The guy with the tank top was MUCH more presentable than the guy with the collared shirt, yet we had to ask the tank top guy to change shirts.

Chap

:p

I guess what I'm trying to point out is if skateboarders can conform to a dress code (and I'm only guessing they have one), why is it so hard for disc golfers to come up with something similar?

I have never had a problem with looking acceptable, in fact, I used to get heckled about trying to look too professional when I was in my travelling phase. I always wore nice shirts, shorts (or pants if cold), and shoes, and I still do. My rating has been up and down over the years, so I don't think my clothes had much to do with my skills. During practice rounds (daily activities), I've tried no shirt, as well as several shirts (when cold out), and pretty much shot basically the same kind of scores either way.

Sponsors do look at the numbers, but the image has to follow as well.

Why act like something we are not. Most people in this sport could care or less about looking presentable. The only way disc golf ever goes mainstream is for a HUGE sponsor to look at us and accept us for who we are and market the game. Dress code should be very tolerant when it comes to tournaments. The only exception would be majors; USDGC, PLAYERS and WORLDS.

As far as I am aware, there is no dress code at the X Games. I imagine most competitors determine their wardrobe based on what is given to them by their sponsors.
I have a friend that actually has competed at the X Games, in FMX not skateboarding, but I have never asked about a dress code. I will next time I see him.

Why act like something we are not. Most people in this sport could care or less about looking presentable. The only way disc golf ever goes mainstream is for a HUGE sponsor to look at us and accept us for who we are and market the game. Dress code should be very tolerant when it comes to tournaments. The only exception would be majors; USDGC, PLAYERS and WORLDS.



I always try to look presentable whether i am playing DG or not. Looking presentable is all about having people taking you seriously.

except when trying to dance with a parking lot cable

What is the dress code? I thought it was just collared shirts for A tiers and up?

except when trying to dance with a parking lot cable



Hey, I think that an $8,000 surgery and 208th place @ am worlds is pretty serious. I must not have had my collered shirt on that day.

So all this b itching is about having to wear a nice shirt at the larger tournaments? You've got to be kidding... :p

So all this b itching is about having to wear a nice shirt at the larger tournaments? You've got to be kidding... :p



exactly...

here's the whole rule in case anyone was too lazy to go look it up...

3.4. Dress Code
A. All competitors and staff are required to wear a shirt.
B. All competitors and staff are required to wear shoes or
other foot coverings. Players will not be allowed to play in
bare feet. Sandals or slides are allowed.
C. The following dress code for all competitors will be
enforced at all PDGA National Tour and Major Events. The
PDGA also recommends that this dress code be enforced
at Super Tour and lower tier events, but this decision lies
solely with the Tournament Director:
(1) All players in PDGA sanctioned competition and
tournament staff are expected to dress appropriately
and to maintain a clean and well-groomed appearance
at all event sites and associated functions.
(2) All players must wear a shirt covering their upper
chest area. A well-tailored shirt with a fold-down,
mock turtle, v-neck, crew neck, Henley, or zippered
collar, and with sleeves covering the part of the arm
from the shoulder to the elbow (commonly known as
the upper arm), shall be considered acceptable.
Women are also allowed to wear sleeveless shirts as
designated above.
(3) No tee shirts will be allowed, except for competitors in
the Junior and Amateur divisions during preliminary
rounds only. Juniors and Amateurs shall not wear tee
shirts during semifinal or final rounds. Crew neck or
V-neck shirts made of high-performance or high-tech
materials, such as Dry-Fit, Cool-Max, and others will
be allowed.
(4) Shirts that hang down lower than the bottom hemline
on the player�s shorts shall be tucked in.
(5) No ripped shirts, shorts, pants will be allowed on the
course. This includes unhemmed, torn or cut �vents�
at the shirt collar.
(6) No offensive, profane, or obscene slogans or logos
shall be allowed on any clothing. Junior players may
not wear slogans or logos referring to alcohol or
tobacco.
(7) This dress code will be in effect from start to finish at
each event, including all tournament rounds.
(8) Players who do not make a cut, but wish to remain on
site through the duration of the tournament, will be
considered spectators and will not be required to
conform to the Tour�s dress code.


According to the rule Collard shirts are not even required for majors or NTs... I thought they were required last year, was i wrong? I agree that they should be required for A-tiers and up.
Are the rules getting more lenient? I couldn't find the Competition Manual from 07, I wonder what the real differences are in last years dress code and this years??? Is there a document somewhere with just the "changes for 08"?

The 2007 and 2008 manuals are identical on the dress code.

The 2007 and 2008 manuals are identical on the dress code.



Guys &amp; Gals,

The dress code has remained essentially unchanged since late 2004. We changed it slightly in late 2004 to allow henleys and the nice, dry-fit crew neck shirts, and also so amateurs and juniors could wear tee shirts in preliminary rounds at majors. Events have always been allowed to make the dress code MORE restrictive if they wished (although I'm not aware of any that have done so), or petition the PDGA to be less restrictive (which was allowed for Mid-Nationals in 2005-2006 and Am World Doubles in Texas in 2005-2006, both at the TD's request).

Chap

Do you think that a man competiting at a WDGC with most of his hair streaked pink would comply with 3.4.C(1):

(1) All players in PDGA sanctioned competition and
tournament staff are expected to dress appropriately
and to maintain a clean and well-groomed appearance
at all event sites and associated functions.

Are you talking about the "Women's Disc Golf Championships"? If so, I believe it's clearly stated that males may not participate in a female division, so your example should never happen.

WDGC = World Disc Golf Championship.

And my example DID happen.

WDGC = World Disc Golf Championship.

And my example DID happen.



as long as he is clean and 'groomed' he should be fine. it doesnt say anything about fashion or style, which dyed hair would fall into. unless you are insinuating that dyed hair is not 'appropriate'.

if so, there is no way to quantify such a subjective word into an objective rule.

It was recently on the news here in DFW that one high schooler was told that if she came back after Christmas break with her hair still the shade of orange-pink that she had dyed it, she would be put in an alternative school.

And that's right, I don't think it was appropriate for someone to purposely have that appearance at a World Championship, and the fact that it was allowed was disappointing to me. He had no sanctions, but someone who rolled his sleeve to putt and neglected to roll it down on the next hole received a warning by an official.

Dress codes can go two ways: A laundry list of do and don'ts, or a simple directive to have an appropriate appearance, and since what goes for "appropriate" with some is at the very least on the lower end of appropriate, we have a long and incomplete list.

Do you think that a man competiting at a WDGC with most of his hair streaked pink would comply with 3.4.C(1):

(1) All players in PDGA sanctioned competition and
tournament staff are expected to dress appropriately
and to maintain a clean and well-groomed appearance
at all event sites and associated functions.



i dont think this rule says anything about hair.

there are plenty of sports where players have dyed hair. i dont see how dyed hair is inappropriate. would you also consider piercings and tattoos 'not appropriate'? where is the line between expression and 'professionalism'?

i think that its a bit extreme to try to limit anything beyond clothing, especially at this point in the game. be inviting and grow the sport before trying to make a list of restrictions. thats how i see it at least.

The PDGA should adopt my mom's advice... "just look decent, could ya?"

To all:
Are we now to ban abnormal colors of hair...such as the result of anti-gray formulas? So what if someone wants to appear like a poodle or a Christmas tree. Tattoos, piercings, hair color, blah-blah-blah...so difficult to draw lines in the sand these days. Times are STILL a'changin...and as a sport we need to quit running away from our images and embrace them. The 60s happened. The 70s happened. The 80s happened. The 90s happened. Our roots run REAL DEEP. Ain't it American to have freedoms? Can we not express ourselves; even if not everyone agrees?

Yes we must police ourselves, and I am providing no answers, but, there's enough gestapo tactics going on around here...and the DISCussion of such should not be construed as anything other than...DISCussion...keeping it civil, of course. Being clueless is American, too.

Message boards such as these <u>require</u> some skin thicker than thin. This type of 'boardroom' is a place to get our points expressed...and to critique other's opinions...and to accept the critique of our own.

Clean lines are only drawn in wet, milk~toasty sand...this is dry sand here people. This is America. The Land of the gray area.

I like what this dude above me said, clueless, hmm, whats that?

to the other guy from colorado who said "stop whining about the dress code, because its a fun game so enjoy it how you want"

I obviously wasn't only talking to you but thanks for your opinion, when are you gonna hit up the majors and NTs?

I guess i was targeting some folks with the desire to have Disc Golfing be a new phenomenon.

HAVE FUN AT THE ICE BOWL!
lol :D

I'm not quite sure what your saying about me (the guy from Colorado) but it's not like I've never played NTs and Majors. I make the Memorial when I can, played Worlds in '06 and I play the A-tiers I can reach. I have tye-dyed collard shirts I use for those event and enjoy the heck out of the experience. As a pro-donator at the bigger events, I don't exactly have the option to go on tour. Disc golf for me is a hobby since teaching is my day job. I do take it seriously (I'm talking about disc golf at the moment but I do take teaching seriously too :)), practice when I can and run an event or two. Sadly, I won't see you in AZ this year since I have a new job in Denver and I choose not to take that kind of time off my first year in a new place. Good luck.

Addressing someone else, I don't think I ever said, "We're selling an image." I did say it's easier to get sponsors in Montrose, Colorado by looking nice and being polite and I figured it works across the country too. I do agree that disc golf as a sport will have to sell itself for what it is, not by selling an image. I believe disc golf will continue it's growth, eventually get much more sponsorship and more people will have a chance to make a living at it. However, in my opinion, more doors will be opened faster if the small percentage of disc golfers who play at the biggest events look good. Whatever image disc golf presents will not make it the huge sport many believe but a very negative image could break it. PDGA has some simple rules that I don't find too hard to adhere too and I support them.

Have a nice day all. May your drives land near the basket and your putts find chains. Support your local ICE BOWL!

-MADMAX

well put!

are those magnets working out ok?

of course, theyre magnets arent they? half breaking in for putting and half for short drivers. thanks again.

The PDGA should adopt my mom's advice... "just look decent, could ya?"



Problem is, different mothers think decency mean different things. Apparently, someone's mother in DFW thinks pink hair is indecent. I don't think having pink hair conflicts with the PDGA dress code. Of course, if someone thinks thinks pink is indecent, we could always ask Scott Papa to change it to something like purple, red, or blue. :)

Chap

I always use my mom's definition of "decent". :D

She's a pretty fair woman. I don't think she would have a problem with Scott's pink hair as long as he combed it.

Chap,

I didn't say it was indecent, I said I thought it was not appropriate.

Anita, I wasn't going to name names, so you either saw it at that WDGC, or is this the way he always goes to a WDGC?

Chap,

I didn't say it was indecent, I said I thought it was not appropriate.

Anita, I wasn't going to name names, so you either saw it at that WDGC, or is this the way he always goes to a WDGC?



Actually, I said it, and Scott always has some different color in his hair. He's done that as long as I've known him, and not just for Worlds...that's just normal for him, I think. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

I don't see anything inappropriate about having pink hair at a disc golf tournament. I wouldn't do it personally, but Scott wears it well.

Also, I'm with you on the rolling down of the sleeves at Worlds in 2004. I don't remember who it was (I remember it was a Masters player....pretty sure it was either Mark Ellis, or someone Mark was playing with), but I thought whatever official it was that gave him guff for not rolling them down immediately overstepped their authority. But I wasn't in charge that year. We softened the dress code after that from what Nez had originally put in place.

Chap

At the final round for the KC Wide Open this past year, an official told Geoff (Bennett) that his Team Discraft tee shirt wasn't OK and had to change at the car, which I had parked behind hole 1's basket. We were both just shaking our heads...especially since his round had started w/o anyone saying anything and I guess the manner of which he was "informed" (threatend more or less).

And how about dreadlocks for that matter? This was my first season with them, but I don't plan on cutting them soon. As a touring player, do I REALLY misrepresent our sport or my sponsors? I'd like to think no, but I'd like to see how this fits in with color restrictions and the like. (Theorhetical or otherwise)

...and what about people who are just plain UGLY?? they obviously are tearing down our well-crafted image of a beautiful game played by beautiful people.

At the final round for the KC Wide Open this past year, an official told Geoff (Bennett) that his Team Discraft tee shirt wasn't OK and had to change at the car, which I had parked behind hole 1's basket. We were both just shaking our heads...especially since his round had started w/o anyone saying anything and I guess the manner of which he was "informed" (threatend more or less).

And how about dreadlocks for that matter? This was my first season with them, but I don't plan on cutting them soon. As a touring player, do I REALLY misrepresent our sport or my sponsors? I'd like to think no, but I'd like to see how this fits in with color restrictions and the like. (Theoretical or otherwise)



That's interesting...I was the marshal at that event, and I know I wasn't the one that told Geoff to change. This is the first I've heard of it, and Geoff never mentioned it to me. Who was this official that told Geoff this? I do remember having to clear a path through the spectators for Geoff at one point, because he overthrew a hole at Swope (I think hole 8), and had to play an upshot over the pro shop to the pin. But I don't recall any dress code issues.

And you're just keeping your dreads so you can have worse hair than Nikko. :)

Chap

Personally, I understand both sides. I have never been a fan of telling people what to wear. (Especially shoes- if you don't want to wear shoes- you shouldn't have too) However, if you show up at the tournament and smell like [censored] before we even start....Please allow me to introduce these new fangled products called soap and deodrant.

At the final round for the KC Wide Open this past year, an official told Geoff (Bennett) that his Team Discraft tee shirt wasn't OK and had to change at the car, which I had parked behind hole 1's basket. We were both just shaking our heads...especially since his round had started w/o anyone saying anything and I guess the manner of which he was "informed" (threatend more or less).

And how about dreadlocks for that matter? This was my first season with them, but I don't plan on cutting them soon. As a touring player, do I REALLY misrepresent our sport or my sponsors? I'd like to think no, but I'd like to see how this fits in with color restrictions and the like. (Theoretical or otherwise)



That's interesting...I was the marshal at that event, and I know I wasn't the one that told Geoff to change. This is the first I've heard of it, and Geoff never mentioned it to me. Who was this official that told Geoff this? I do remember having to clear a path through the spectators for Geoff at one point, because he overthrew a hole at Swope (I think hole 8), and had to play an upshot over the pro shop to the pin. But I don't recall any dress code issues.

And you're just keeping your dreads so you can have worse hair than Nikko. :)

Chap



You'd have to ask him about the details, I just remember him being pretty upset in the moment.

Nikko's got nothing on these natties!

What?!? You guys are coming after my hair? But I have so little left would it maybe just be a warning or at most a one stroke penalty? I thought it was more offensive to most people that I am an LA Clippers fan..... Well, I guess I will just try to have it whatever color the least amount of people will find offensive, but that will probably change per event.

Or maybe I will just handle it like I have my whole adult life....I will do whatever I **** well please with my hair and really not care what anyone thinks. Understand that I love the fact that people get a kick out of it but I have been dyeing my hair since 1979 and I doubt I'm going to change as long as I have the few threads that I do left.

The fact is that I started dyeing my hair to REMOVE myself from the norm and let everyone know right upfront that I am not just like them. Most people rejoice that they are not like me so I think it was a win-win situation. But get past the hair and you may just find out that I attempt to be one of the most professional players on tour.

So please don't make me make my hair normal. I mean, I just wouldn't feel pretty anymore..........

Scott Papa and normal do not belong in the same sentence. But a Clippers fan????

I just got the mental image of a hot pink combover! :eek:

NONONONONONONOOOOOOO!!!!!!! I won't stoop to the combover but don't be surprised to see the most awesome blue Ben Franklin-doo that you have ever seen.

And hellz yeah the Clippers! They just beat the Suns last night and are clearly on their way to winning their twelfth game this season. It's called pacing and they don't want to have tired legs going into the playoffs in 2009.....

Why are women allowed to wear sleeveless shirts but not men?

Do they have special armpit ventilation needs? Is it because men don't shave their armpits? Then what about the European women who don't shave?

I'm all for sleeveless shirts, if they are clean, athletic attire, such as what all basketball players wear (both men and women). How often have you had to or have you seen some guy pull at his shirt sleeve because it was sweaty and sticking to his arm before putting or driving. I do that all the time when it's hot. It's annoying. I would consider that an unfair advantage for women, especially when putting. Women have the same chance of making a putt than a guy does. Granted, we don't play against the women, but that rule should be the same for both.
Also, the rules say that the mens shirt sleeve should cover the area of the arm down to the elbow? How many shirts actually do that?

Why are women allowed to wear sleeveless shirts but not men?



Oh it's a cruel and unfair world. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Acceptable fashion for women has always been broader than that for men. Men don't usually wear heels, but it is fashionable for women. The list goes on and on. The dress code for women in the LPGA is broader than the men's tour code. Just the way life is.

Oh and Scott... the blue Ben Franklin look would be to die for! :D

Attaboy Matt. Down with sleeves and collars! Clothing and basket hardware.

Why are women allowed to wear sleeveless shirts but not men?



Oh it's a cruel and unfair world. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Acceptable fashion for women has always been broader than that for men. Men don't usually wear heels, but it is fashionable for women. The list goes on and on. The dress code for women in the LPGA is broader than the men's tour code. Just the way life is.

Oh and Scott... the blue Ben Franklin look would be to die for! :D



I don't understand why this is an issue. I'm quite willing to let any guy who wants to, wear one of those cute collard sleeveless shirts. Innova has some nice ones.

Great question Matt! I have always wondered why there is a double standard for sleeves/sleeveless. I'd be more than willing to shave under my arms if it meant I could wear a neat, well-tailored, sleeve-less shirt during competitions!

3.4. Dress Code
A. All competitors and staff are required to wear a shirt.
B. All competitors and staff are required to wear shoes or
other foot coverings. Players will not be allowed to play in
bare feet. Sandals or slides are allowed.
C. <font color="#666666"> The following dress code for all competitors will be
enforced at all <font color="green"> PDGA National Tour and Major Events. </font> The
PDGA also <font color="red"> recommends </font>that this dress code be enforced
at Super Tour and lower tier events, but <font color="blue"> this decision lies
solely with the Tournament Director: </font>

NONONONONONONOOOOOOO!!!!!!! I won't stoop to the combover but don't be surprised to see the most awesome blue Ben Franklin-doo that you have ever seen.

And hellz yeah the Clippers! They just beat the Suns last night and are clearly on their way to winning their twelfth game this season. It's called pacing and they don't want to have tired legs going into the playoffs in 2009.....



I think your hair's ok (I wouldn't do it, but it looks good on you...LOL), but I don't think I ever called it normal. :) As for you being a Clippers fan, well, we all have own crosses to bear, so to speak. :) You are truly a tortured soul if you're a Clippers fan (and I'm a KC Royals fan, so I know all about being tortured)

Chap

Why are women allowed to wear sleeveless shirts but not men?



Oh it's a cruel and unfair world. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

Acceptable fashion for women has always been broader than that for men. Men don't usually wear heels, but it is fashionable for women. The list goes on and on. The dress code for women in the LPGA is broader than the men's tour code. Just the way life is.

Oh and Scott... the blue Ben Franklin look would be to die for! :D



Are you serious...that's your response to the question? Fashion?

Fashion has nothing to do with the question...we're talking about the ability to wear athletic clothing that won't hender the movement of or annoy the player.

So, according to you...women should be allowed to have a more liberal dress code than men because it's the way life is?

Wow that's a lot to infer from my post.

I think you are taking the word "fashion" to literally. What's been considered appropriate for men's and women's dress has always been different.

I don't see where the problem is. If ball and stick guys have to wear slacks and shirts with sleeves, I don't see a problem with a pretty much voluntary and fairly liberal dress code in disc golf.

Your telling me that you can't find a shirt with sleeves that doesn't restrict you motion? The dry-fit shirts fit a bit better. You don't see Tiger wearing a baggy shirt.

When I see guys hiking up the sleeves of a shirt to putt, that shirt is usually hanging down to their elbows. Most shirt are not meant to hang down to your elbows. Get a shirt that fits better, then it would hang like it is supposed to and wouldn't be sticking and putting you off your motion.

The merchants at the top of the forums would be glad sell you one. The Huk Lab one's are really nice.

Just schedule all of your tournament play over seas. They let the guys wear pretty much whatever they want to wear - tank-tops, wife-beaters, etc.... Check out the pictures in the latest DGW and see what the champions and the TD's wear. :eek:

you could always just wear a dress with a nice flower print on it.

Is a moo-moo acceptable?

http://www.toomik.net/helen/blog/images/Homer_muumuu.jpg

As long as it covers the upper part of your arm. :D

Man...aren't you guys just funny...not. Rather sad how people team up on others when they have an opinion and valid question. In all of the meetings that I conduct...I call those people the "sidetrackers". They don't have a serious opinion or comment of the question or item at hand, but they can't resist wanting to be apart of it all, so they just throw out ignorant statements.

So answer the question Annita...why do you think women need to wear sleeveless shirts then?

I wear shirts just like Tiger and most other players. I just don't like the double standard simply because a woman is a woman. There is no need to wear sleeveless shirts for them. Either both sexes are allowed or they aren't. Simple as that.

Its common for women to be allowed to wear sleeveless shirts while men aren't. That's how my high school was. That's how many country clubs are, it's even true on one street in Louisville:
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=1968558

Why? I have no idea, its just the way it is.

Anita did not say there was a need to wear sleeveless shirts, just that women are allowed to do so and that's the way it is.

Other things that are the way they are:
Men can go topless in more public places than women can.
Only men can be Catholic priests.
George Bush is a moron.
The foot fault rule is seldom enforced.

I don't like double standards either. In fact, they mostly enrage me. But I pick my battles and accept that which is unlikely to change and push for gradual change in other areas. For example, not designing Par 54 disc golf courses anymore.

Women don't need to wear sleeveless shirt. They are allowed to. That's just the way it is.

There are double standards all over the place. I don't feel like I'm getting some special edge because I'm allowed to wear a sleeveless shirt, which I don't.

I didn't realize anyone was asking a question. I offer an explaination as to why the dress code is the way it is.

I do however think that there is a lot of indignation over nothing. If having to wear a shirt with sleeves is messing you up, you need to work on the mental game because there are shirts the don't hinder motion.

Matt- I'll trade ya- You can wear a sleeveless shirt at the tournament that I run- when you can get my boss to pay me as much as the boys in the office make. Sound fair?

Anita-

It isn't that you feel you play any differently with or without sleeves. The problem is that there are some people that don't want to be told what to wear. Then they see the "injustice" of women being allowed to go sleeveless when they are forced to wear sleeves.

This isn't about you.. :-) Its about you having a right that they don't. Its like the regular stories where I grew up where the schools had a no shorts rule, but skirts had to reach the top of the knee. Invariably, every year you'd have a protest as a boy is sent home for wearing a skirt on an 85 degree day to a school without AC...

If I wore a sleeveless shirt my shoulders would get a courtesy violation for blinding people with my farmer's tan...

Is the US Women's Disc Golf Championships in Illinois considered a "Major" event?

Why are some of the Amateur women allowed to wear regular t-shirts at this prestigious event?

Is the US Women's Disc Golf Championships in Illinois considered a "Major" event?

Why are some of the Amateur women allowed to wear regular t-shirts at this prestigious event?



Read the dress code again very carefully, and you'll find the answer to your question.

you could always just wear a dress with a nice flower print on it.



I have long toyed with the notion of wearing a kilt. Free, open, easy movement and since there is not much confidence in my game I might as well show confidence in something. However, I am not sure if it would be best for straddle putts. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Dave,

Before you are going to wear a kilt, you are going to need to invent a brain scrubber. /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif

Steve

Actually- I don't think the inherent problem is the straddle putt but the pricker bush that you are straddling.