What discs released in the last year have made the most impact on your game?

Before I write up a poll I just want to get a good list of what the choices should be. I imagine the Destroyer is going to get a lot of votes. I'm going to personally say the Rogue because it was a winter '06-'07 release and it is now my primary distance driver.

I believe the Turbo-Putt introduced in 2007 had the most impact on the game even though few threw it for competition because it triggered the disc tech standards review that will now impact disc designs for a long time to come.

Much like the Rogue, the SS avenger was released late in the year. It has become an important utility disc for me, slowly taking over the XL's position for roller/turnover/helix shots.

the Innova Cro. now my primary putter.

: ) :

Does it have to be a new disc? The Challenger would be my disc of the year every year.

The first flight Shockwaves have been the disc that impacted my game the most this year. Having a straight midrange in high end plastic that is dependable and I didn't have to pay an arm and a leg for me has been huge.

Destroyer for sure...best driver on the market in any plastic

Its an old mold, but the re-release Ontario Rocs are awesome! They get my vote

Illusions

FLX BUZZ
Sonic
Destoryer

2008??? Star Ontario Rocs, for sure!

Re-Release of the DevilHawk!!!

Definitely the Destroyer as it was (still is?) all the rage back when it came out, including eBay bidding wars that allowed people who bought one for $35 or so to get triple or better than that in a couple of weeks.

Turbo Putt is an interesting nomination (honorable mention?) as it did start the tech standard review.

Prediction for 2008 - Re-release of the San Marino Roc.

You know...my vote would have to go to the Avenger SS.

The best out of the box roller I have ever used(And I have tried a lot of them). It's also an easy to control turn over disc. This is definitely a great disc to have in your bag.

My vote goes to the Cro - similar flight path to the Roc with less glide and more ballistic properties (less mass in the flight plate). These characteristics make it (for me) the easiest straight to hyzer mid to throw consistently accurately. Plus, the soft star plastic is freakin' awesome - great in all weather, durable, easier to grip and rip

Black 12x Aviar

I don't know if it came out in 07 (don't think so) but the squall has made a huge difference in my game. It is my go to disc from 250-325.

The Destroyer takes a lot of power to get it going and it isn't as hss as I would like - in the star plastic anyway.

Turbo putt is interesting, probably the biggest impact disc for the sport this year.

The shockwave would get my vote as overall biggest impact on my game.

Jordan

FLX BUZZZ

Definitely the Destroyer as it was (still is?) all the rage back when it came out, including eBay bidding wars that allowed people who bought one for $35 or so to get triple or better than that in a couple of weeks.

Turbo Putt is an interesting nomination (honorable mention?) as it did start the tech standard review.

Prediction for 2008 - Re-release of the San Marino Roc.



i agree on all counts...

The Avenger SS definitely has my vote w/ the Sparkle Buzz SS an extremely close runner up, GO DISCRAFT!!

I would say the Diablo because I can bomb the [censored] out of it and it is controllable and the Rage because it is very fast and predictable for hyzers.

yeah I don't throw anything that came out in 2007. The newest disc in my bag is the Max.

yeah I don't throw anything that came out in 2007. The newest disc in my bag is the Max.



You throw that P.O.S? Go back to the Firebird or the even better monster.

The newest disc in my bag is the wraith.

FLX Surge

Destroyer !!!!

How many do you have !!!! :o

FLX Buzzz gets my vote

The Diablo DT has impacted my game the most by making fairways obsolete!

my vote is for the diablo as well. it is definatly my go to disc for a variety of situations

yeah, no new disc here either. i think the newest in my bag is a teerex.

of all the discs to come out this year i'd say the diablo was the best. if they make it in better plastic it might be worth throwing.

I would say the Diablo because I can bomb the [censored] out of it and it is controllable and the Rage because it is very fast and predictable for hyzers.



Which Rages do you throw?

I would say the Diablo has been huge for my game.

yeah I don't throw anything that came out in 2007. The newest disc in my bag is the Max.



You throw that P.O.S? Go back to the Firebird or the even better monster.



the firebird is still in the bag - the max is doo doo for thumbers

but its a great sidearm disc for me and a great disc when I want firebird stability but can't reach it with a firebird.

FLX Surge and FLX Challenger. Love that plastic!

Crystal FLX Buzzz is also way way cool!!!

The newest disc I'm currently using is the Teerex X. I can't remember is it was released in 06 or 07. The next newest mold is a Teebird/Leopard/Firebird.

I'm also trying out the shockwaves. I'm really liking the flat not 1st runs. Don't know if it will stay. I'm getting a Star Whippet to try out that will compete with it.

Will there be a poll where we vote on best Distance Driver, Fairway Driver, Midrange and putter based off the info given on this thread?

If you make it, they will vote!

flx challenger and buzz here.

FLX Surge and FLX Challenger. Love that plastic!

Crystal FLX Buzzz is also way way cool!!!



Hey I sent you the FLX Challenger and CryZtal FLX BUZZZ!!! GO DISCRAFT!!! :D:D:D

flx buzz

Destroyer and Spike....

Diablo, for the fact alone that it brings for Dimple Technology.

Hip Hip Hooray for companies like Gateway and Quest that take this sport to the next level!

Destroyer.

i like the idea of a disc from each category w/ maybe an overall winner. (just listing the ones people have said so far.. my picks have *'s)

Drivers
*Destroyer
Rogue
SS Avenger
Shockwave
Diablo
Rage
FLX Surge

Mid
*FLX Buzzz
*Cryztal FLX Buzzz
*Cro
Ontario re-run

Putter
12x
*Turbo Putt
FLX Challenger

i like the idea of a disc from each category w/ maybe an overall winner. (just listing the ones people have said so far.. my picks have *'s)

Drivers
*Destroyer
Rogue
SS Avenger
Shockwave
Diablo
Rage
FLX Surge

Mid
*FLX Buzzz
*Cryztal FLX Buzzz
*Cro
Ontario re-run

Putter
12x
*Turbo Putt
FLX Challenger





You forgot Illusions! Baby Blue won distance @ USDGC. This disc should be on the list.

What about the Teerex X? or was that 06?

Illusions are old. We are talking about discs released in 06-07.

Then the FLX surge, Buzzz, and challengers shouldn't be on here. Neither should the 12x. Black 12x Plastic and FLX Plastic should.

I'd have to agree with Chuck, there will always be new plastic (destroyers, surge, etc.) but how many will stick around (i.e. Rocs, Teebird, XL, Firebird)? Who remembers the fervor over Valks and how many people still throw them today, not too many :o

The impact made by the Turbo will be around for a while...other than that, I think that the 1080 Radius is a disc with some staying power that can survive the hype/fad phase.

PS - Dimple technology has been around forever...

Illusions are old. We are talking about discs released in 06-07.



O yea.... I knew that!

I'd have to agree with Chuck, there will always be new plastic (destroyers, surge, etc.) but how many will stick around (i.e. Rocs, Teebird, XL, Firebird)? Who remembers the fervor over Valks and how many people still throw them today, not too many :o

If flat top CE Valks were still being made alot of people would have them. Current Valks are nothing like those. I agree with Chuck that the Turbo will have the most influence on the future.

The impact made by the Turbo will be around for a while...other than that, I think that the 1080 Radius is a disc with some staying power that can survive the hype/fad phase.

PS - Dimple technology has been around forever...

The Shockwave is a midrange. Although it does go far :).


i like the idea of a disc from each category w/ maybe an overall winner. (just listing the ones people have said so far.. my picks have *'s)

Drivers
*Destroyer
Rogue
SS Avenger
Shockwave
Diablo
Rage
FLX Surge

Mid
*FLX Buzzz
*Cryztal FLX Buzzz
*Cro
Ontario re-run

Putter
12x
*Turbo Putt
FLX Challenger

Meteor, SS Avenger, FLX Pred

Let's keep this thread going for about a week, tally up all the discs and then make a poll. New plastic for an old mold does count.

Who remembers the fervor over Valks and how many people still throw them today, not too many :o





ummm...I would say that it is definitely still one of the most popular fairway drivers in the world. At least where I am located most of the top pros still throw them.

and it still holds the record for farthest thrown golf disc :o

For me it's the cro. Great predictable flight

i like the idea of a disc from each category w/ maybe an overall winner. (just listing the ones people have said so far.. my picks have *'s)

Drivers
*Destroyer
Rogue
SS Avenger
Shockwave
Diablo
Rage
FLX Surge

Mid
*FLX Buzzz
*Cryztal FLX Buzzz
*Cro
Ontario re-run

Putter
12x
*Turbo Putt
FLX Challenger



no thunderbird? please add to your list. :D
"make mine a Thunderbird"

Driver: champ destroyer, hands down

Mid: crystal flx buzzz, flx buzzz

just my 2 cents...

Who remembers the fervor over Valks and how many people still throw them today, not too many :o





ummm...I would say that it is definitely still one of the most popular fairway drivers in the world. At least where I am located most of the top pros still throw them.

and it still holds the record for farthest thrown golf disc :o



Distance /= golf IMO and I guess I'm biased about the valks; I just haven't seen any valks around in a few years (I read on a couple websites "still one of the most popular molds" - oops!). I still don't think they've lived up to the early "hype" of a few years ago - you don't see many of them in the bag of Innova players (besides the Protos which were very different discs) like you see Teebirds and Firebirds which are even older molds.

I'd have to agree with Chuck, there will always be new plastic (destroyers, surge, etc.) but how many will stick around (i.e. Rocs, Teebird, XL, Firebird)? Who remembers the fervor over Valks and how many people still throw them today, not too many :o

The impact made by the Turbo will be around for a while...other than that, I think that the 1080 Radius is a disc with some staying power that can survive the hype/fad phase.

PS - Dimple technology has been around forever...




1080 radius would be a vote for a warlock, unless we are going to separate all the variations of plastic

+rogue for sure...fo sho. I"m gettin that fo sho!

Destroyer.



No question.

Destroyer and Cro!! Both have found a home in my bag. :D

YOU SAID IT DESTROYER AND CRO :Din all plastics and all weights they fit almost every shot I need :cool:

P.S. If you got one of these disc or are getting one or more of these disc for the holidays and you don't like it you can send it to me for a good HOME /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D

for me, dx cro and pro destroyer

1080 Disc
Radius 1-17-07
Ching
Prodigy 7-15-07
Daredevil Discs
Swift Fox 1-19-07
Timberwolf 1-19-07
Beaver 1-19-07
Polar Bear 6-12-07
Wolverine 1-19-07
Woodchuck 1-19-07
Caribou 6-12-07
Moose 6-12-07
Grizzly 6-12-07
Gamedisc 1-19-07
Disc Golf Aotearoa, Ltd.
Arcturus 6-22-07
Rippa 6-22-07
Disc Golf Association
Titanic 9-19-07
Shockwave 10-29-07
Discraft, Inc.
Impact 10-26-07
Discmania
CD 3-8-07
P1 3-8-07
P2 3-8-07
MD111-14-06
Gateway Disc Sports
Warlock 3-8-07
Blast DT 9-21-07
Rage 3-8-07
Diablo DT3-29-07
Innova- Champion Disc
Destroyer 6-26-07
Starfire L (SL) 6-21-07
Teebird L (TL) 3-8-07
CRO 6-21-06 (Released 07)
Gremlin 6-5-07
Kite 2-11-07
Skeeter 7-8-06 (released 07)
Sonic 9-19-07
Latitude 64
Vision 1-8-07
Spike 3-25-07
Quest
Double D 10-22-07
100 Meter Lazer 25 5-3-07
T-Bone 5-18-07
Rock-It 6-12-07
Turbo-Putt 6-5-07
Wham-O, Inc.
Superturn Driver 7-10-07
Discovering the World
Turnover Driver 4-11-07
Pluto Platter 7-10-07

I know some disc may have been approved in 06 but released in 07 if you know of any other disc to add please do. This is the PDGA approved disc from this year.

Innova's Cro has seriously improved my game!

Cro... prefer the DX... but the Star has its uses.

I have to say the Warlock. I don't putt it, but use it as a short driver. Well, not always so short. This thing is the longest flying putter I have EVER seen.

Cro
Next question

I'd have to say FLX Buzzz and FLX Surge.

Pro Destroyer has to be the best disc Ive thrown this year they are so stable and have some great distance to them

Polls like this make me laugh...this is nothing but a "Disc X improved my game"....nothing wrong with that I guess, its just so subjective. I guess units sold would be a better way, but even then its just a popu;arity contest.

If lightning made the Destroyer, would you all throw them?

If lightning made the Destroyer, would you all throw them?


:D:o:D

Polls like this make me laugh...this is nothing but a "Disc X improved my game"....nothing wrong with that I guess, its just so subjective. I guess units sold would be a better way, but even then its just a popu;arity contest.

If lightning made the Destroyer, would you all throw them?



Opinion polls tend to be on the subjective side...anyway, if Lightning made the Destroyer it would still be in crappy plastic, so I would not buy it.

I'm sure the bandwagon is already so full its dragging its axle, but I've got to give a nod to the Destroyer. It is a great distance disc considering speed, glide, and predictability. That being said, I only get to throw it a couple times a round, so I can't really say its helped my game in a tangible way. The Buzz SS has made a bigger impact for me this year, but I'm not sure if that counts totally as a new disc. It flies on the same lines at 200-260 as the Buzz flies at 300-350. It also goes farther downhill/downwind. This disc has saved me some strokes fo sho.

Polls like this make me laugh...this is nothing but a "Disc X improved my game"....nothing wrong with that I guess, its just so subjective. I guess units sold would be a better way, but even then its just a popu;arity contest.

If lightning made the Destroyer, would you all throw them?



It's like dimple technology. I guarantee if INNOVA or Discraft put dimples on their disc the public would eat it up and everyone would consider them geniuses simply because the brand is INNOVA or Discraft.

I've met too many people afraid to try new things simply because of a company name. I remember this one tournament in the fall, I was in a group with this one dude who saw I had some Diablo DT's in my bag. He acted smug and patronizing saying "You actually throw dimpled discs?" I responded yeah, and if he had a problem with it, to which he he replied "Yeah, I have a BIG problem with it!" and so I asked why and he didnt even answer. Then I asked him, if INNOVA or Discraft came out with Dimple Technology would he throw it and he actually responded "Yeah."

Needless to say I had the biggest WTF look on my face. Now, this is not a bash against INNOVA or Discraft because they make EXCELLENT discs. TeeBird, Buzzz, Cro, Orc, Surge to name a few, They were the companies I started throwing first and I highly recommend starting with those companies. Every new player I meet I tell them to buy either a TeeBird, Leopard or TL and an Aviar as their first disc. But because these two companies have been around longer and were able to snatch up the better players, the average joe feels a sense of obligation to throw them in order to fit in. I couldnt tell you how many times I've had to deal with put downs and people laughing in my face because I throw Gateway, but take those same discs and slap INNOVA or Discraft on the hotstamp they'll eat it up.

It should be about feel and comfortability with the disc, but instead has de-evolved into a brand issue. Shame really.

Polls like this make me laugh...this is nothing but a "Disc X improved my game"....nothing wrong with that I guess, its just so subjective. I guess units sold would be a better way, but even then its just a popu;arity contest.

If lightning made the Destroyer, would you all throw them?



It's like dimple technology. I guarantee if INNOVA or Discraft put dimples on their disc the public would eat it up and everyone would consider them geniuses simply because the brand is INNOVA or Discraft.

I've met too many people afraid to try new things simply because of a company name. I remember this one tournament in the fall, I was in a group with this one dude who saw I had some Diablo DT's in my bag. He acted smug and patronizing saying "You actually throw dimpled discs?" I responded yeah, and if he had a problem with it, to which he he replied "Yeah, I have a BIG problem with it!" and so I asked why and he didnt even answer. Then I asked him, if INNOVA or Discraft came out with Dimple Technology would he throw it and he actually responded "Yeah."

Needless to say I had the biggest WTF look on my face. Now, this is not a bash against INNOVA or Discraft because they make EXCELLENT discs. TeeBird, Buzzz, Cro, Orc, Surge to name a few, They were the companies I started throwing first and I highly recommend starting with those companies. Every new player I meet I tell them to buy either a TeeBird, Leopard or TL and an Aviar as their first disc. But because these two companies have been around longer and were able to snatch up the better players, the average joe feels a sense of obligation to throw them in order to fit in. I couldnt tell you how many times I've had to deal with put downs and people laughing in my face because I throw Gateway, but take those same discs and slap INNOVA or Discraft on the hotstamp they'll eat it up.

It should be about feel and comfortability with the disc, but instead has de-evolved into a brand issue. Shame really.



Poor marketing...

Polls like this make me laugh...this is nothing but a "Disc X improved my game"....nothing wrong with that I guess, its just so subjective. I guess units sold would be a better way, but even then its just a popu;arity contest.

If lightning made the Destroyer, would you all throw them?



It's like dimple technology. I guarantee if INNOVA or Discraft put dimples on their disc the public would eat it up and everyone would consider them geniuses simply because the brand is INNOVA or Discraft.

I've met too many people afraid to try new things simply because of a company name. I remember this one tournament in the fall, I was in a group with this one dude who saw I had some Diablo DT's in my bag. He acted smug and patronizing saying "You actually throw dimpled discs?" I responded yeah, and if he had a problem with it, to which he he replied "Yeah, I have a BIG problem with it!" and so I asked why and he didnt even answer. Then I asked him, if INNOVA or Discraft came out with Dimple Technology would he throw it and he actually responded "Yeah."

Needless to say I had the biggest WTF look on my face. Now, this is not a bash against INNOVA or Discraft because they make EXCELLENT discs. TeeBird, Buzzz, Cro, Orc, Surge to name a few, They were the companies I started throwing first and I highly recommend starting with those companies. Every new player I meet I tell them to buy either a TeeBird, Leopard or TL and an Aviar as their first disc. But because these two companies have been around longer and were able to snatch up the better players, the average joe feels a sense of obligation to throw them in order to fit in. I couldnt tell you how many times I've had to deal with put downs and people laughing in my face because I throw Gateway, but take those same discs and slap INNOVA or Discraft on the hotstamp they'll eat it up.

It should be about feel and comfortability with the disc, but instead has de-evolved into a brand issue. Shame really.



This was true 5 years ago, but not now. Gateway has enough successful players and discs to hold their head up. Third best isn't bad...you get all the rebel type players who don't want to be as mainstream as the big guys (innova and discraft).

Polls like this make me laugh...this is nothing but a "Disc X improved my game"....nothing wrong with that I guess, its just so subjective. I guess units sold would be a better way, but even then its just a popu;arity contest.

If lightning made the Destroyer, would you all throw them?



It's like dimple technology. I guarantee if INNOVA or Discraft put dimples on their disc the public would eat it up and everyone would consider them geniuses simply because the brand is INNOVA or Discraft.

I've met too many people afraid to try new things simply because of a company name. I remember this one tournament in the fall, I was in a group with this one dude who saw I had some Diablo DT's in my bag. He acted smug and patronizing saying "You actually throw dimpled discs?" I responded yeah, and if he had a problem with it, to which he he replied "Yeah, I have a BIG problem with it!" and so I asked why and he didnt even answer. Then I asked him, if INNOVA or Discraft came out with Dimple Technology would he throw it and he actually responded "Yeah."

Needless to say I had the biggest WTF look on my face. Now, this is not a bash against INNOVA or Discraft because they make EXCELLENT discs. TeeBird, Buzzz, Cro, Orc, Surge to name a few, They were the companies I started throwing first and I highly recommend starting with those companies. Every new player I meet I tell them to buy either a TeeBird, Leopard or TL and an Aviar as their first disc. But because these two companies have been around longer and were able to snatch up the better players, the average joe feels a sense of obligation to throw them in order to fit in. I couldnt tell you how many times I've had to deal with put downs and people laughing in my face because I throw Gateway, but take those same discs and slap INNOVA or Discraft on the hotstamp they'll eat it up.

It should be about feel and comfortability with the disc, but instead has de-evolved into a brand issue. Shame really.



Poor marketing...



How does Gateway or Quest's premium plastic compare to Innova or Discraft as far as durability?

For me, if they don't have a Z or Champion equivalent, then it is not worth it, but I have only thrown their DX equivalent (Raging Inferno DT, Inferno, and Diablo DT). I hit a tree with the Raging Inferno, and it took the biggest chunk out the disc that I have ever seen. I still throw the other 2 in the field and they are right up there with Destroyers, Wraiths, and Surges, but it is not worth it for me to put them in my bag because of the durability.

Polls like this make me laugh...this is nothing but a "Disc X improved my game"....nothing wrong with that I guess, its just so subjective. I guess units sold would be a better way, but even then its just a popu;arity contest.

If lightning made the Destroyer, would you all throw them?



It's like dimple technology. I guarantee if INNOVA or Discraft put dimples on their disc the public would eat it up and everyone would consider them geniuses simply because the brand is INNOVA or Discraft.

I've met too many people afraid to try new things simply because of a company name. I remember this one tournament in the fall, I was in a group with this one dude who saw I had some Diablo DT's in my bag. He acted smug and patronizing saying "You actually throw dimpled discs?" I responded yeah, and if he had a problem with it, to which he he replied "Yeah, I have a BIG problem with it!" and so I asked why and he didnt even answer. Then I asked him, if INNOVA or Discraft came out with Dimple Technology would he throw it and he actually responded "Yeah."

Needless to say I had the biggest WTF look on my face. Now, this is not a bash against INNOVA or Discraft because they make EXCELLENT discs. TeeBird, Buzzz, Cro, Orc, Surge to name a few, They were the companies I started throwing first and I highly recommend starting with those companies. Every new player I meet I tell them to buy either a TeeBird, Leopard or TL and an Aviar as their first disc. But because these two companies have been around longer and were able to snatch up the better players, the average joe feels a sense of obligation to throw them in order to fit in. I couldnt tell you how many times I've had to deal with put downs and people laughing in my face because I throw Gateway, but take those same discs and slap INNOVA or Discraft on the hotstamp they'll eat it up.

It should be about feel and comfortability with the disc, but instead has de-evolved into a brand issue. Shame really.



Poor marketing...



How does Gateway or Quest's premium plastic compare to Innova or Discraft as far as durability?

For me, if they don't have a Z or Champion equivalent, then it is not worth it, but I have only thrown their DX equivalent (Raging Inferno DT, Inferno, and Diablo DT). I hit a tree with the Raging Inferno, and it took the biggest chunk out the disc that I have ever seen. I still throw the other 2 in the field and they are right up there with Destroyers, Wraiths, and Surges, but it is not worth it for me to put them in my bag because of the durability.




Not sure about Quest but Gateway's E plastic is just as durable as Champ/Z

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Not sure about Quest but Gateway's E plastic is just as durable as Champ/Z

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If you consider every variation of plastic that Gateway has written "E" on the back of, then they are nowhere near as durable as champion or Z. Maybe 1 out of 5 "E" plastic discs are made of enough premium plastic to compare to the average Z or champion. The other 4 would be comparable to Star/ESP at best, pro/x/dx at worst.

Also, it seems that Quest is molding more and more of Gateway's drivers. Right now their plastic does not hold up to the industry standard for drivers. That said, they are a huge injection company and premium DG plastic is not necessarily any more expensive than crappy DG plastic, so I expect Quest to figure out how to make better discs with more experience.

i agree--I have tried all the newest drivers from gateway and quest and none are durable, except maybe the early spirits.

i agree--I have tried all the newest drivers from quest and none are durable, except maybe the early spirits.



when did Quest ever run spirits?

The earlier runs from Quest were very durable because I have hit several tress and rocks and they didnt scuff, but the current runs are real flimsy and you could probably slice it with your fingernail. This one Raging Inferno I have has hit everything with 100% force, but still in great condition. I've been throwing it almost a year, and it's still very stable.

Not sure about Quest but Gateway's E plastic is just as durable as Champ/Z

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If you consider every variation of plastic that Gateway has written "E" on the back of, then they are nowhere near as durable as champion or Z. Maybe 1 out of 5 "E" plastic discs are made of enough premium plastic to compare to the average Z or champion. The other 4 would be comparable to Star/ESP at best, pro/x/dx at worst.

Also, it seems that Quest is molding more and more of Gateway's drivers. Right now their plastic does not hold up to the industry standard for drivers. That said, they are a huge injection company and premium DG plastic is not necessarily any more expensive than crappy DG plastic, so I expect Quest to figure out how to make better discs with more experience.

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Um I pretty sure I said Gateway's E. All Sabres, Blazes, Spirits,Illusions, Speed demons, Elements, Element-Xs, and wizards come in the good stuff only not the crap Quest makes. I would say the plastic those molds are made in are better than Champ/Z.

The only molds that were in the crap called E were Quest discs and the Diablo. I think the rage may have been made in other stuff they labeled as E but it wasn't too bad about 85% as good as normal E.

didn't mean to imply quest ever made spirits. but it drives the point home, huh?

Not sure about Quest but Gateway's E plastic is just as durable as Champ/Z



If you consider every variation of plastic that Gateway has written "E" on the back of, then they are nowhere near as durable as champion or Z. Maybe 1 out of 5 "E" plastic discs are made of enough premium plastic to compare to the average Z or champion. The other 4 would be comparable to Star/ESP at best, pro/x/dx at worst.

Also, it seems that Quest is molding more and more of Gateway's drivers. Right now their plastic does not hold up to the industry standard for drivers. That said, they are a huge injection company and premium DG plastic is not necessarily any more expensive than crappy DG plastic, so I expect Quest to figure out how to make better discs with more experience.

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Um I pretty sure I said Gateway's E. All Sabres, Blazes, Spirits,Illusions, Speed demons, Elements, Element-Xs, and wizards come in the good stuff only not the crap Quest makes. I would say the plastic those molds are made in are better than Champ/Z.

The only molds that were in the crap called E were Quest discs and the Diablo. I think the rage may have been made in other stuff they labeled as E but it wasn't too bad about 85% as good as normal E.

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Ok...you're either seriously biased or I suspect that you get to pick out the good stuff and are not considering all of the crap sent out to retailers. I have had E spirits that tacoed, an E Sabre that lost any stability it had after about 3 hits, and my Gateway sponsered friend tells me that the "baby blue illusions" get really flippy after a couple of good hits and thats why they are good distance discs. I have also had E element x's that were like KC pro plastic and a glow E Wizard that tacoed and folded the plastic permanently. The only good E discs I've seen were mostly or totally transparent. The rest, like I said earlier, are like star or pro plastic at best.

I don't consider myself bias, and I've got tons of different runs of quality Gateway plastic.

I'm not at all trying to say that Gateway does not make quality plastic. What I'm saying is a lot of Gateway's E plastic does not compare in durability to your average Champion and Z plastics. They have made plastic that compares, but because of many factors inherent to trial and error injection molding they have not made the majority of their E discs in pure Champion/Z style plastic. This probably has most to do with the fact that they have produced and sold far fewer discs than Innova or Discraft, but it is true nonetheless. Once again, I am still a fan of Gateway and I think that someday they will compare more to the big boys in production and sales (especially with Quest's help).

Not sure about Quest but Gateway's E plastic is just as durable as Champ/Z



If you consider every variation of plastic that Gateway has written "E" on the back of, then they are nowhere near as durable as champion or Z. Maybe 1 out of 5 "E" plastic discs are made of enough premium plastic to compare to the average Z or champion. The other 4 would be comparable to Star/ESP at best, pro/x/dx at worst.

Also, it seems that Quest is molding more and more of Gateway's drivers. Right now their plastic does not hold up to the industry standard for drivers. That said, they are a huge injection company and premium DG plastic is not necessarily any more expensive than crappy DG plastic, so I expect Quest to figure out how to make better discs with more experience.






Um I pretty sure I said Gateway's E. All Sabres, Blazes, Spirits,Illusions, Speed demons, Elements, Element-Xs, and wizards come in the good stuff only not the crap Quest makes. I would say the plastic those molds are made in are better than Champ/Z.

The only molds that were in the crap called E were Quest discs and the Diablo. I think the rage may have been made in other stuff they labeled as E but it wasn't too bad about 85% as good as normal E.

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Ok...you're either seriously biased or I suspect that you get to pick out the good stuff and are not considering all of the crap sent out to retailers. I have had E spirits that tacoed, an E Sabre that lost any stability it had after about 3 hits, and my Gateway sponsered friend tells me that the "baby blue illusions" get really flippy after a couple of good hits and thats why they are good distance discs. I have also had E element x's that were like KC pro plastic and a glow E Wizard that tacoed and folded the plastic permanently. The only good E discs I've seen were mostly or totally transparent. The rest, like I said earlier, are like star or pro plastic at best.

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Pretty sure all the discs I mentioned are in good plastic because I have a box of them in my car. Anyway I don't get to pick just tell Justin to send me 3 E Sabres, 3 spirits, etc. and they are all good.

I'm pretty sure the 1st run of baby blues were flippy to start out with and the 2nd run I throw is holding up well and is still overstable. I have a disc that I have had for over three years in my bag that is still great and 4 more I have had for two years and none of them are beat to h*ll.