betlowj
Dec 14 2007, 06:06 PM
Does anyone know when the Earlewood Classic is this year? It hasn't shown up on the tour list yet, but I was trying to make plans to fit it into my schedule. Thanks.

cwphish
Dec 14 2007, 06:11 PM
Usually the first weekend in March. It may be full already! :D

MTL21676
Dec 14 2007, 06:13 PM
best

short

course

ever

johnbiscoe
Dec 14 2007, 06:24 PM
mtl is correct

date should be 3/1-2 this year. it should fill any day now.

MTL21676
Dec 14 2007, 06:27 PM
the usually dont open registration until feburary 1st.

MICHAELMART
Dec 15 2007, 10:02 PM
best

short

course

ever




AND WILL FOREVER BE THE GREATEST!!!!!!!!!!

Parman
Dec 16 2007, 11:46 PM
Baskets with hats

davidsauls
Dec 17 2007, 09:27 AM
March 1-2 is almost certain. It's been the first weekend in March as long as there have been bevel-edged discs.

For anyone who hasn't played (or been shut out), wondering about the references to the tournament being filled already.....
the flyer is usually released about a month before the tournament, and notice posted on this discussion board. Registration is by mail or in person only. Last year it filled (90) in 5 days, 4 mailing days as one was a Sunday. So be on your toes and don't wait to pull the trigger when the flyer comes out.

scoop
Dec 20 2007, 10:52 PM
I'm here in Columbia visiting my brother at Ft. Jackson for the Holidays...

We played Earlewood twice yesterday and once today --- and I'd have to agree that this is one tremendously enjoyable short little course to play. As fun as any pitch and putt course I've ever played.

And the famous Earlewoods roll down some of those hills after you thought you'd stuck the putt? Brilliant!

Hole 18 is a fun finishing hole --- but I really like the hole where you throw across the back side of the amphitheater (near the newly planted tree with the fenced barrier around it).

There's definitely no course like it in the Austin area --- so it was a real treat getting to play it.

Vanessa
Dec 21 2007, 12:25 PM
If you're in the area, be sure to play the course in Chapin. Not long, but lots of fun. Try to get up to Newberry to play the Sauls' course at Stoney Hill -- I've not played it but it is said to be terrific!

stack
Dec 21 2007, 02:28 PM
dont forget charlotte and rock vegas just up the road ;)

being in this area for DG... you done stepped in it now!

davidsauls
Dec 21 2007, 03:45 PM
I'm here in Columbia visiting my brother at Ft. Jackson for the Holidays...

We played Earlewood twice yesterday and once today --- and I'd have to agree that this is one tremendously enjoyable short little course to play. As fun as any pitch and putt course I've ever played.

And the famous Earlewoods roll down some of those hills after you thought you'd stuck the putt? Brilliant!

Hole 18 is a fun finishing hole --- but I really like the hole where you throw across the back side of the amphitheater (near the newly planted tree with the fenced barrier around it).

There's definitely no course like it in the Austin area --- so it was a real treat getting to play it.



An opinion shared by enough disc golfers to explain why there's such a scramble to get into the Classic. We hold a match play tournament (March Madness) 3 weeks later....which has filled or nearly filled in recent years as well.

davidsauls
Dec 21 2007, 03:47 PM
Stoney Hill....is said to be terrific!



(at least by the owners)

Richard
Dec 27 2007, 05:24 PM
I see the tournament up on the PDGA site. Any registration info. Check is ready to go.

davidsauls
Dec 27 2007, 06:37 PM
Registration does not begin until the flyer is posted. It ends shortly thereafter.

Normally this is about February 1 or thereabouts. The TD issues it, the club president posts it to the club and state websites, I try to get a mention in on this discussion board, and then it's an Oklahoma Land Rush to the TD's front door or mailbox.

Any information I get in the meantime, I'll pass along.

bgwvdave
Jan 25 2008, 12:56 PM
David,
Just checking in to see how the flyer is coming along :D can't wait for a return to Columbia. also do youthink it would be possible to get the TD's physical address? i plan on UPSing my entry to ensure 1 day delivery

davidsauls
Jan 25 2008, 02:22 PM
We met Tuesday to finalize the wording on the flyer. To my knowledge, Dave Cannon intends to post it on the website on February 1. I sugggest monitoring www.scdgo.net (http://www.scdgo.net) and/or www.columbiadiscgolfclub.com (http://www.columbiadiscgolfclub.com) next week. Whenever I know it's posted, I'll mention it on this discussion board.

(The "flyer" is pretty much online only, though I guess it will get posted at Earlewood too. It doesn't get mailed as, by the time the post office delivered it, it would be too late).

I don't have Ed's home address at hand, but it will be the same as the mailing address on the flyer for mailing in registrations.

davidsauls
Jan 25 2008, 02:35 PM
It is possible that the rush may be abated a little this year, since the IDGC is running a C-tier 90 miles away on our traditional weekend, and may siphon off some players that normally come to Earlewood.

Or maybe not.

bgwvdave
Jan 25 2008, 03:08 PM
I don't have Ed's home address at hand, but it will be the same as the mailing address on the flyer for mailing in registrations.


David,
thanks for the info. as always. as for the syphoning i don't think it will effect you guys that much and i know alot of N.C. is already making plans. You can not ship UPS to a P.O. Box so if that is the address i will jsut snail mail and keep my fingers crossed

davidsauls
Jan 25 2008, 03:17 PM
Don't sweat....Ed always uses his house address, not a P.O. Box, for mailing registrations.

bgwvdave
Jan 25 2008, 03:19 PM
thansk again dave for all the information. i am going to realx now :D

Jan 25 2008, 03:46 PM
David,

I am sure that you guys don't have to worry as all the Augusta golfers i have talked to will be trying to get into earlewood. We are holding our FIRST SATURDAY monthly no matter what tournaments are going on rain or shine.

Its hard to stray from the first Saturday format as that is what people will become accustomed to. Actually I hope we will be siphoning the people that couldn't get into earlewood. We checked all the distance requirements of competing tournaments for the year and are totally in compliance, so send em our way if they don't get in!!

davidsauls
Jan 25 2008, 04:32 PM
Earlewood will fill....just maybe not quite as fast if a dozen Augustans choose IDGC instead.

With so many new courses in the area and each of us wanting to host 2 or 3 (or a dozen) events, the calendar's gotten a bit crowded and it's harder to avoid overlaps. Which I guess is a good problem to have, at least from the viewpoint of someone who remembers when S.C. had 2 courses and 3 events per year.

I hope I can make one of the IDGC monthlies later in the year.

Jan 25 2008, 05:06 PM
I hope you can make it out sometime too! Actually i wish i could go to Earlewood, Atlanta Open, and Elberton this year but i will be here running the monthlies.

Oh well i guess those will be good month's to get some points, when everyone else is out of town!!!

If you want to transfer your 40 person waitlist down here i have no problem with it! :D :cool:

davidsauls
Jan 25 2008, 05:47 PM
Being stuck at IDGC is another good problem to have!

You'll also miss Upstate & Charleston, by the way.

Thanks to everyone for all you do at the IDGC. I was there for the Hall-of-Fame and hope to get down this summer.

For anyone who doesn't get in at Earlewood, IDGC will be an option for that weekend. For anyone who doesn't know, there is another event at Earlewood 3 weeks later---March Madness---a very different type of event.

Parman
Jan 30 2008, 05:32 PM
Bump da bump. Any word on the flyer?

davidsauls
Jan 30 2008, 05:53 PM
I talked to Ed yesterday afternoon and he was making final tweaks on some wording. Website says flyer will be posted by Friday. I suspect it will be posted tomorrow night.

The really anxious can monitor it at

www.columbiadiscgolfclub.com (http://www.columbiadiscgolfclub.com)

davidsauls
Jan 31 2008, 09:49 AM
Dave Cannon confirms that flyer will be posted tonight.

davidsauls
Jan 31 2008, 06:25 PM
The flyer has been posted at

www.columbiadiscgolfclub.com (http://www.columbiadiscgolfclub.com)

and the TD advised to reinforce his mailbox

MTL21676
Jan 31 2008, 07:19 PM
already overnighted mine and 4 other entries.

getting to eds before 3 tomorrow :D

CAN NOT WAIT!

If I only could play 5 tournaments a year, this would clearly be one of them.

stack
Jan 31 2008, 08:35 PM
just saw the flyer... thats a cool way to put the pdga fee in.... $50 for ams ... but $40 w/ PDGA discount.

Hope to make this one... Wisco and I stopped by and played this course on the way down to Chucktown and LOVED IT! Not counting on it during the tourney but we both deuced hole 18 (him-element me-buzzz) and put it within 10-15.

Cant wait (gotta get that $ in!)

stack
Jan 31 2008, 08:36 PM
wait!... no paypal!?! :( CRAP!

kostar
Jan 31 2008, 08:45 PM
one of the best course's EVER ! These guys run a smooth op.
Hole 4 .... do or die ! Hole ? Big hyser........ ace.

cwphish
Jan 31 2008, 09:45 PM
I heard that one!

mynameisJonas
Feb 01 2008, 09:26 AM
We are coming to Earlwood, hopefully. I am not sending it overnight but I did bring it into the post office, inside, so it got that far already.

I do not like Earlwood, there I said it, booo all you want. The people are great though, so I wouldn't miss it.

The PDGA put out great suggestions on how to sell the new non-member rate increase. I sent in a complaint, but I never heard back. Maybe they got more than just my complaint.

MTL21676
Feb 01 2008, 09:51 AM
I do not like Earlwood, there I said it, booo all you want.



Wha Wha What??

Earlewood is the best designed course I've ever played!

We all got opinions though!

Looking forward to seeing ya Jonas!

bschweberger
Feb 01 2008, 10:04 AM
I do not like Earlwood............WOW that is definitely a first time that I have EVER heard that comment about this course.

Please...Explain Why?

jlmeier
Feb 01 2008, 10:28 AM
Sent my registration in this morning. Will there be a list of who is getting in and who isn't so I can possibly arrange lodging?

davidsauls
Feb 01 2008, 10:29 AM
I do not like Earlwood............WOW that is definitely a first time that I have EVER heard that comment about this course.

Please...Explain Why?



Please don't.

Hey, different strokes for different folks. If everyone liked the same thing, all our courses might look alike.

davidsauls
Feb 01 2008, 10:30 AM
Sent my registration in this morning. Will there be a list of who is getting in and who isn't so I can possibly arrange lodging?



Dave generally posted the pre-reg list on the PDGA promptly.

davidsauls
Feb 01 2008, 10:33 AM
wait!... no paypal!?! :( CRAP!



Think of it as a throwback tournament. Mail registration only. If you played it in 1993, it's nostalgic---same course, many of the same people, same registration, altogether different discs.

Vanessa
Feb 01 2008, 10:47 AM
Our registration is in the mail too. (Just Greg and me again this year; Connor's got another jazz band competition conflict and some lucky parent has to take him there - thanks Coleman!).

Gotta love Earlewood - old school baskets, old school registration methods, great course, great folks, and the EDGE cafe!!

mjhofman
Feb 01 2008, 10:56 AM
Is it really that Jonas doesn't like the course... or does he not like the infamous Earlwood roll?

MTL21676
Feb 01 2008, 11:06 AM
I one time hit a 30 footer on 16 for 3 and it bounced out and rolled all the way down to the bottom of the amphitheather.

Next shot I threw in and it spun around the basket and out popped out and rolled back to me.

Next shot I did the SAME THING and it rolled about 50 feet.

Then I made the jump putt for a 6.

Craziest hole I think I've ever played.

Stoney Hill DGC
Feb 01 2008, 11:07 AM
Jonas not liking Earlewood?? Thats coming from someone who has won 2 tournaments there. It's ok though, I've said things worst things about the course. Usually while my disc was still rolling.

mynameisJonas
Feb 01 2008, 11:11 AM
It doesn't fit my game. I feel like I have to make 9-10 40 foot putts to compete in any division above Intermediate. You shoot even par and get rated in the 800's. The ground is too hard. The baskets are too small. The hills are too steep.

The tee signs are beautiful and I like the big trees!

davidsauls
Feb 01 2008, 12:28 PM
just saw the flyer... thats a cool way to put the pdga fee in.... $50 for ams ... but $40 w/ PDGA discount.




Oddly enough, we spent half the last meeting kicking around how to word that. Glad you liked it.

johnbiscoe
Feb 01 2008, 01:06 PM
only short course i've ever played with 18 distinctly different, fair, reachable holes- i wish all baskets were dometops.

for those of you who don't get in (which will be many) come north to the loriella challenge- it will fill before the event as well but not in the first couple of days of registration- you can register online at discgolfseries.com

stack
Feb 01 2008, 01:49 PM
wait!... no paypal!?! :( CRAP!



Think of it as a throwback tournament. Mail registration only. If you played it in 1993, it's nostalgic---same course, many of the same people, same registration, altogether different discs.



no worries... i wasnt complaining... just realizing I need to get to the post office ASAP! (which I just did... checks in the mail!)

i just hope my ability doesnt 'throwback' to '93 since I didnt even know what DG was until around '03

Even though the course & roll aways will probably tear me a new one... i cant wait!

DNA_2
Feb 01 2008, 03:14 PM
Its going to be a great tourney in GameCock Land and my stomping ground. Get your registrations in quick. If your registrations are not to the post office by Monday or Tuesday you probably wont make it in.

TraddR
Feb 04 2008, 12:41 PM
Props to Blaine (Charleston) for his ace on #1 this weekend...straight up the gut!

Looking forward to some more Earlewood!!

stankee
Feb 04 2008, 05:35 PM
Anybody know when pre-reg will be posted?

mule1
Feb 04 2008, 09:00 PM
Rumor has it that the field is filled already!

MTL21676
Feb 04 2008, 09:26 PM
wow!

glad I overnighted a check thursday.

johnbiscoe
Feb 04 2008, 09:36 PM
my all-time earlewood highlight is that i got larry leonard to eat what he thought was sushi (actually california roll) on his birthday in '97(?) at the japanese place down the road from the holiday inn.

i think radley hurt himself playing b-ball in the holidome that same year.

MTL21676
Feb 04 2008, 09:43 PM
throwing the tee shot of hole 2 with basketball going on right behind you = super fun

MTL21676
Feb 04 2008, 09:45 PM
and my highlight is a round that went...

22223*2222222333434
* = circle

the last deuce Cuban aced that hole and took the box and it honestly worked me.

Gotta love blowing that round.....:D

Captain
Feb 04 2008, 09:52 PM
If its full is there a pre-reg list?

I would like to know if I got in or not.

MTL21676
Feb 04 2008, 09:57 PM
I've heard the answer to this before but I can't remember...

why is there not two weekends for this?

And wow, gotta give thanks to Ed. I can't imagine having that many registrations in that short of time. 1st class TD and a 1st class event

DNA_2
Feb 04 2008, 10:36 PM
I will try to get with Dave tomorrow to get him to put the pre-reg list up.....I doubt its filled but it is probably close based on the info Ive gotten.

Captain
Feb 04 2008, 10:43 PM
I have to say I am a fan of limiting events to Adv and Pro only...keeping monthly and weekly league events for all divisions with a focus on Intermediates.

I have thought for years that this event is a great example of an event that should be Adv and Pro only. Either that or split the weekends. There are way too many Pros that get shut out of this one every year.

MTL21676
Feb 04 2008, 11:46 PM
the list is up and the tournament is full!

UNREAL!!

Thanks for getting the list up!

davidsauls
Feb 05 2008, 09:38 AM
Regarding splitting the tournament---we've discussed this here before. The merits are obvious. Among the drawbacks would be (1) the calendar is already full and we'd be end up overlapping some other area event; and (2) a lot more work for a very small local club and staff, committing us to 2 full weekends, with some of us running another event, March Madness, later the same month; and (3) going back many years to when there were few tournaments and the Earlewood Classic kicked off the season in the area, with many players traveling from Raleigh & Atlanta & Tennessee & beyond, we had a lot of cases of Pros & Ams traveling together, and there's sentiment to keep that available. Plus, we're slaves to tradition; as mentioned before, if you haven't played here since 1993, you won't find much has changed. Any or all of which may change in the future, of course.

Amazing facts about this year's registration:

* It filled in 4 days---3 mailing days, with a mail-only registration. Broke last year's record of 5/4.

* This, with limited divisions, Pro & Advanced only. No intermediates, recreational, or novice divisions.

A big thanks to everyone for showing such interest, and to Ed for doing such a great job over the years to make it worth the effort.

For those who didn't get in---

* There's always the waiting list, which has already formed. It seems like last year a number of people had to withdraw, and I thnk there were 6 no-shows on gameday, with their spots going to the waiting list.

* IDGC has a 1-day, C-tier on Saturday, for which they've solicited our overflow.

* March Madness (http://www.saulsinsurance.com/marchmadness) on Saturday, March 22, a chance to play Earlewood for those who missed out, or to play it again for those who didn't, in a very unique format.

I also see the Hall of Fame will be well represented.

davidsauls
Feb 05 2008, 09:43 AM
I have to say I am a fan of limiting events to Adv and Pro only...keeping monthly and weekly league events for all divisions with a focus on Intermediates.

I have thought for years that this event is a great example of an event that should be Adv and Pro only. Either that or split the weekends. There are way too many Pros that get shut out of this one every year.



We hold another sanctioned event in the fall, open to all divisions, to give the intermediates & below a chance at a sanctioned tournament. Also, March Madness, which is Pro-only, has a non-sanctioned Am side which picks up a lot of them, including people who don't otherwise play tournaments.

Pro & Advanced only is also nice because everyone is experienced, and odds are better for it to run smoother with better compliance with rules and tournament procedures. No guarantee, but better odds.

stack
Feb 05 2008, 10:06 AM
i knew it'd fill quick but dang!!! Hope I'm high up on the waiting list!... I mailed mine the next morning after the flyer was posted Thurs night/evening and didnt get in.

mynameisJonas
Feb 05 2008, 11:27 AM
That is sick! I hope you get in Stack, I mailed mine the same time, but mail moves really fast within SC. I guess overnight priority is the only way to go.

Next year you could offer early registration to all sponsors. Get some added cash that way for sure. $50 to reserve a spot. I wonder what that would generate? Scary, probably not allowed, what ever.

Stoney Hill DGC
Feb 05 2008, 12:36 PM
That is actually a really good idea Jonas. I thought about registering (although I can't play) and placing my confirmed entry spot on ebay and selling it to the highest bidder. Probably not allowed either.

stack
Feb 05 2008, 02:30 PM
anyone know when the waitlist will be up? and that is a great idea Jonas!

davidsauls
Feb 05 2008, 02:41 PM
How fast would this tournament fill with online registration?
(It would be like getting concert tickets).

The wait list may not be posted promptly. Give Ed a few days and give him a call and he should be able to tell you where you stand.

I once proposed a loyalty registration period, where people who had played a certain number of consecutive years would get first option to register. The idea was dismissed, probably because it was a bad idea, but also because PDGA rules require registration on a "first come-first serve" basis, and it was reasoned that such a loyalty registration would break that rule. A sponsorship registration would presumably also violate that rule. Otherwise, it's a great idea. Or, we could just figure a way to auction spots in the tournament.

stack
Feb 05 2008, 03:00 PM
Gotcha... thanks David!

and I wouldnt think a 'sponsorship registration' would violate any rules. Just announce that next year there will be 20-30 or so spots held aside for sponsors and sponsors can put in all their registration info early. Seems like it'd be similar to what USDGC does.

Vanessa
Feb 05 2008, 03:27 PM
Is it permissible to set aside a certain number of spots for a certain class of potential registrants (I think this is done at NTs and the like for pros with tour cards? or perhaps blocking some number of entries off by division or gender -- holding a number of slots open for women, for example)? When I've seen this done, the reserved slots usually revert to first-come, first-served if they aren't filled by a certain date. If so, couldn't you set aside a class of spots for "sponsors" or "SC residents" or "out of state residents" ... or "5-year+ participants" ??

davidsauls
Feb 05 2008, 03:37 PM
I don't think the set-asides for divisions are legal but they're done---I think we did them at least once in the past. Of course, there are a lot of minor transgressions of the rules and a lot of people haven't ever seen the competition manual, or I could be overlooking the set-aside provision. I think it's a good idea to at least ponder. With the USDGC, a lot of things are different---it's not open registration, first-come, first-serve---as they probably should be.

I was wrong about the waitlist---the initial waitlist from yesterday is posted at www.columbiadiscgolfclub.com. (http://www.columbiadiscgolfclub.com.)

johnbiscoe
Feb 05 2008, 03:41 PM
i think the set-asides are allowable as long as they are advertised. i do it every year for hawk hollow by division.

davidsauls
Feb 05 2008, 04:42 PM
They are, for divisions. I should have read before writing.

"All openings in the field of play will be filled on a first come-first serve basis, until the allocated places in each division have been filled."

Sorry about spreading misinformation.

Not sure this can be stretched to sponsors, long-time players, etc.

jnosnevets
Feb 05 2008, 04:52 PM
Well, maybe someone within the Columbia Disc Golf Club should ASK the PDGA if any of these ideas are permissible....for future Earlewood Classics. :)

bgwvdave
Feb 05 2008, 05:07 PM
Was the weather really bad last year?

MTL21676
Feb 05 2008, 05:14 PM
not that I remember

jlmeier
Feb 05 2008, 05:57 PM
Did I overlook a host hotel on the flyer, or where does most everyone else stay while at the tournament?

davidsauls
Feb 05 2008, 06:00 PM
Was the weather really bad last year?



My memory---and keep in mind that I'm the one who was passing along faulty information about 6 inches above here---is that we've had fine weather for several years in a row. We used to have a reputation for bad weather, made worse by the fact that I kept talking about it, but I think we're over that now.

davidsauls
Feb 05 2008, 06:08 PM
Well, maybe someone within the Columbia Disc Golf Club should ASK the PDGA if any of these ideas are permissible....for future Earlewood Classics. :)



Ask? I'm guilty of not even reading the stuff they sent me thoroughly! Why ask when I can conjecture?

Seriously, we should ask, but only if we might pursue these ideas.....a counter argument is that a sponsor provision would be a de facto entry fee increase, and a large one at that. We could just increase entry fees to meet the market demand. But probably the right thing to do is keep the fees reasonable for everyone, so no one feels they have to pony up a sponsorship just to get in.

davidsauls
Feb 05 2008, 06:13 PM
Did I overlook a host hotel on the flyer, or where does most everyone else stay while at the tournament?



I think we went away from the host hotel, on the grounds that few if any were using it. A greater percentage of players just commute these days, and everyone else seems to use the online searches that weren't available back in the day.

A couple of years ago about 1/3 of the field stayed with Travis, seriously cutting into the hotel business, not to mention their sleep.

jlmeier
Feb 05 2008, 07:36 PM
How is the Masters Inn in Columbia, they have rooms listed at 49.95/night? Nice area? close to any attractions if there are any in Columbia never been there.

jlmeier
Feb 06 2008, 02:13 AM
Found Scottish Inns not far from the course maybe 6 to 8 blocks and they are $36 per night

davidsauls
Feb 06 2008, 09:23 AM
I can't speak for the hotels themselves, but the Masters Inn near the airport would be a better neighborhood than the Scottish Inns near I-26/I-126. The latter is in something of a red light district, with easy access to strip clubs, which you may want to visit but not necessarily stay near.

As for attractions....it depends on what attractions you're looking for. Columbia's biggest is its zoo, generally rated one of the 10 best in the country. It's about a half-mile from Earlewood Park, so any hotel close to the course is close to the zoo. Ditto for museums, historic houses, historic neighborhoods, and nightlife---all within a mile of Earlewood. For nature, Congaree Swamp National Park is about 20 miles out of town in a direction with no hotels. Not sure what else counts as an attraction; Columbia is a fine place to live but hardly a tourist destination.

davidsauls
Feb 06 2008, 09:46 AM
re: Masters Inn

There's also one on Knox Abbott Drive, which is probably the one you were asking about, not the one at the airport. This would also be a good area, and very convenient to both Earlewood & nightlife.

CLeemo
Feb 06 2008, 10:46 PM
Hey does anybody know the Zip code for earlwood area?

CLeemo
Feb 06 2008, 10:48 PM
anybody got space for me and Mcree?..

Cleetus.

DNA_2
Feb 07 2008, 12:45 AM
29201 is the local area....if you guys are looking for hotels close to the course there are a few nearby. The newly renovated Courtyard Mariot on Assembly (formerly holiday inn) is a good choice and is only a mile or two from the course. Also there is a Masters INN on knox abbott which is right across the bridge from columbia in Cayce (zip 29033) and is about 4 or 5 miles from the course. But im sure the sauls have some space like always so that may be most people's best bet.

jlmeier
Feb 07 2008, 04:37 AM
Anyone want to split a room?

davidsauls
Feb 07 2008, 09:26 AM
One option is the Studio Plus off Greystone. We thought about them as a host hotel last year, when standard rate was $55; it's now $65. It's as close to the course as possible yet in a good neighborhood. I think they have mini-efficiencies (save money on meals), but no pool (hey, it's March) or on-site restaurant. I referred someone there last year and he reported that it was very nice. Not a bottom-dollar option, but reasonable.

Chris's "crash as Sauls's for low-cost lodging" referred to Travis, of course. The rest of the Saulses are 45 minutes away.

DNA_2
Feb 07 2008, 11:19 AM
You are very correct David I meant at Travis's pad. Greystone is a good area, and has a couple of hotels.

CLeemo
Feb 07 2008, 04:01 PM
Can't wait to come back to Earlwood.. its been like 7 years..lol. I hope it hasn't changed much. I also look foward to gettin down with all my rowdy friends!!!

getcha ya pop corn ready!!!!

davidsauls
Feb 07 2008, 05:31 PM
You are very correct David I meant at Travis's pad.



Of course, if you want to SLEEP, you might better pony up for a hotel room.

DNA_2
Feb 08 2008, 07:04 PM
Haha, yeah....

stack
Feb 13 2008, 10:23 AM
everyone's registered... a wait list has been establish... kinda quiet in here ;)

davidsauls
Feb 13 2008, 11:05 AM
Everyone's catching their breath.....90 sighing with relief....about 25 holding their breath for an opening....

Welcome back to Stan McDaniel, former Earlewood Classic regular, after an extended absence. And welcome to the Hall of Fame contingent (Stan, Vanessa, Alan, & Carlton) who will be joining us this year.

mynameisJonas
Feb 19 2008, 02:57 PM
Less than 2 weeks before the action at Earlwood. I think we need a Jan or Feb SCDGO event next year. Maybe West Ashley in Charleston will be ready to step up for next year. I heard many good things about the Stoney Hill event last weekend at the Sauls Estates. I hope to be at the next event, April 12th.

davidsauls
Feb 19 2008, 03:28 PM
Hope to see you there. Don't know if this affects you, but we're moving it to Sunday, April 13, for personal logistic reasons.

We lucked out on weather this weekend, but if someone's going to have an SCDGO event in January or February, the warmest place possible---say, West Ashley?---would certainly be desirable. Assuming it's not too short a turnaround from hosting the Charleston Classic.

mynameisJonas
Feb 19 2008, 03:53 PM
I just feel like the break is too long from playing SC events. Chucktown/West Ashley is nice in the winter in that there are less degrees in the temp and less bugs in your pants. By this time next year the course will be broken in nicely and ready for a big SC welcome.

The 13th it is!

stack
Feb 20 2008, 01:21 PM
just curious but what are the OBs on this course? just the main stream that runs through the middle... roads, tennis court and the ampitheatre stage?

i guess im wondering about the dry creekbed that runs downhill along some of the holes... i also heard a rumor that 17 might be roped off as an island (if not how far out is the OB on that ...down the hill towards the houses)... and on 18 is the creek OB beyond the basket... if so is the bank on the other side OB?

Cant wait!!!

davidsauls
Feb 20 2008, 02:59 PM
Generally, for all tournaments, in addition to being in the creeks or on the roads, the deep ditch between #5 & #6 is roped off, and throws in or over it are OB. On #10, the sidewalk, and between the sidewalk and building, are OB. The amphitheatre stage is OB, but the seating area and paved walkway up to pavillion are not. #17 is roped off, not as an island, the low flat area 30' behind it, circling around the backside (what was originally a road). More of a peninsula.

For the Earlewood Classic, which has only Pros & Advanced, the creeks AND BEYOND are OB (affecting holes 3, 10, 12, 13). Hole 4 will be roped into an island, with a drop zone, as I understand it, about 35-40' away.

Disclaimer: If there is any discrepancy between my understanding and what the TD says.....believe the TD. But you can practice based on the above and I think it'll be right.

MTL21676
Feb 20 2008, 03:01 PM
all creeks should ALWAYS be OB and beyond. There is no way anyone should ever throw a shot and be OB and someone throws a worse shot and be IB.

That is one of my biggest pet peeves about some tournaments.

johnbiscoe
Feb 20 2008, 03:24 PM
unless the hole crosses said creek...

davidsauls
Feb 20 2008, 03:28 PM
"Always"????

Crooked Creek #2, with creek running 30' in front of basket? "Beyond" is the green.

Some places, beyond the creek is thick woods, about as bad as in the creek.

And at the subject Earlewood, the creek ducks under ground repeatedly, requiring lots of extra rope to define. How would you define "beyond the creek" on #4?

Perhaps there are times when a creek can be like a sand trap--a weaker throw is safer than a longer throw, or if you dare throw near the creek, you risk the chance of a penalty.

That said---For all but #4 at Earlewood, "beyond is OB" is appropriate.

MTL21676
Feb 20 2008, 03:36 PM
David,



unless the hole crosses said creek...

stack
Feb 20 2008, 05:27 PM
...
For the Earlewood Classic, which has only Pros & Advanced, the creeks AND BEYOND are OB (affecting holes 3, 10, 12, 13).



thanks David and I would imagine #18 would be included eh?

davidsauls
Feb 20 2008, 05:32 PM
Yes, thanks, I forgot about that. My sorry arm has never overthrown #18 in 20,000 tries, so it wasn't on my mind. Beyond the creek should be OB on #18 for the Earlewood Classic, as well.

Parman
Feb 20 2008, 06:58 PM
The reason he's asking is he did just that with a buzz I think. What a great little course. We went down on Monday and played in the wind. Is it typically breezy out there?

I can't wait to see what McRee shoots this year. I bet 175 again.

bschweberger
Feb 20 2008, 08:59 PM
Not likely, that was some amazing shooting.

mule1
Feb 20 2008, 09:36 PM
I had a couple of good tournaments there in 94 and 95. In 94 I shot a 40 one round, but I have no idea how to find out what I shot for the tournament. Are there any archives to search for stats like that?

ck34
Feb 20 2008, 09:49 PM
Hoeniger has been working on old stats every so often and he might be able to find it for you.

MTL21676
Feb 20 2008, 09:54 PM
40 is decent.

mule1
Feb 21 2008, 09:02 AM
You have let me down Chuck. I figured a numbers guy like you would have those stats memorized! Oh well, vague memories are usually more glorious than what actually happened.

gotcha
Feb 21 2008, 09:05 AM
I sort of remember hearing that before....

davidsauls
Feb 21 2008, 09:43 AM
The reason he's asking is he did just that with a buzz I think. What a great little course. We went down on Monday and played in the wind. Is it typically breezy out there?




Probably no breezier than other non-wooded courses, but of course March is prime wind time. #17 is subject to strong cross winds coming off a wide open area, messing with a somewhat technical shot. Winds do tend to swirl among the hills, so sometimes what you have on the tee is not what your disc meets halfway down the fairway, particularly on #9.

ck34
Feb 21 2008, 10:29 AM
You have let me down Chuck. I figured a numbers guy like you would have those stats memorized! Oh well, vague memories are usually more glorious than what actually happened.


Trot out your old DGWN or Disc Golfer. If you finished in the top with scores like that, they might be in there.

mule1
Feb 21 2008, 11:36 AM
I thought about that, but don't have the gumption to go through all those boxes of crap to try to find out that I did not shoot nearly as well as my memory told me I did. I will simply revel in mythical memories.

bschweberger
Feb 21 2008, 01:07 PM
Revel Revel revel.... OLD man

ck34
Feb 21 2008, 01:12 PM
I will simply revel in mythical memories.



I'd chose to revel in a 36 or even 35 rather than a 40 if that's the case. :D

DNA_2
Feb 25 2008, 03:40 PM
5 days and counting. Hope everyone is ready.

davidsauls
Feb 25 2008, 06:08 PM
I can't wait to see what McRee shoots this year. I bet 175 again.




Not likely, that was some amazing shooting



Amazing, but that's about that it takes at Earlewood. Recent winners, not including 2005 when there was a 19th hole added, shot:

2003 176
2004 177
2006 176
2007 175

davidsauls
Feb 25 2008, 06:15 PM
5 days and counting. Hope everyone is ready.



5 days? We've only got FIVE DAYS ??!!! And so much still to do! We petitioned for 10 extra days in February to get ready, but only got one! (Wonder if I can learn to putt in 5 days?)

Forecast for Saturday:

Partly cloudy, 68 degrees, 10% chance of rain, 100% chance of rollaways.

DNA_2
Feb 25 2008, 07:07 PM
Went out today and the weather was great and the course looked good. I see they added some timbers behind #15 which will make the hole a tad bit easier but not by much. Does anyone know when the ropes will be put down?

stack
Feb 25 2008, 07:09 PM
Forecast for Saturday:

Partly cloudy, 68 degrees, 10% chance of rain, 100% chance of rollaways.



hilarious and true but you forgot 30mph winds!

davidsauls
Feb 26 2008, 09:36 AM
The plan is for some ropes to go down Thursday afternoon, the rest Friday afternoon.

mule1
Feb 26 2008, 07:46 PM
Ropes? Tell me about ropes, please!! And the weather forecast is wonderful! No rain and lows in the mid 30's and above, and the highs in the 60's,,,,YIPPEE!!

mynameisJonas
Feb 27 2008, 09:39 AM
Don't worry, there is no rope under the basket.

davidsauls
Feb 27 2008, 09:49 AM
re: Ropes (Recap)

Generally, for all tournaments, in addition to being in the creeks or on the roads, the deep ditch between #5 & #6 is roped off, and throws in or over it are OB. On #10, the sidewalk, and between the sidewalk and building, are OB. The amphitheatre stage is OB, but the seating area and paved walkway up to pavillion are not. #17 is roped off, not as an island, the low flat area 30' behind it, circling around the backside (what was originally a road). More of a peninsula.

For the Earlewood Classic, which has only Pros & Advanced, the creeks AND BEYOND are OB (affecting holes 3, 10, 12, 13, 18). Hole 4 will be roped into an island, with a drop zone, as I understand it, about 35-40' away.

Disclaimer: If there is any discrepancy between my understanding and what the TD says.....believe the TD.

mule1
Feb 27 2008, 01:23 PM
Cool, that is pretty much how I remembered it, but it has been 6 years since I have played a tournament at Earlwood.

davidsauls
Feb 27 2008, 02:55 PM
We had to tighten it a little. We can't have people running around, shooting 40 on our course.

Actually, very little ever changes around Earlewood. But the city built amphitheatre seating and a roof over the stage, so rollaways on #15 don't go as far as they used to. The tee view on #16 is a bit cooler, though it takes a bad shot for the roof to have an impact.

jlmeier
Feb 27 2008, 07:26 PM
Anything going on tomarrow (thursday) I will be headed in to learn the course. Maybe a local could show me around.

DNA_2
Feb 27 2008, 10:35 PM
Goodluck its suppost to be freezing tomorrow so I don't very few locals will be out.

jlmeier
Feb 28 2008, 09:32 AM
It's supposed to be 45 deg by 1pm, but on the way up i'm stopping by Bass Pro Shops for some warm gear for sure.

davidsauls
Feb 28 2008, 11:24 AM
We're trying to clear the cold weather out before the tournament starts. In the meantime, maybe you can generate some body heat climbing hills.

stack
Feb 28 2008, 11:35 AM
looking pretty good to me!

SAT --> Mostly Sunny (high 69 - low 42)
SUN --> Sunny (high 70 - low 47)

and yes David... chance of roll aways are still @ 100% ;)

DNA_2
Feb 29 2008, 02:24 AM
Does anyone know who the ebay seller specialedbarton is? He's been selling lots of 10 discs that look like they have been fished out of a pond or something. He's from charleston, SC. So if anyone has lost any discs at Trophy Lakes or most likely Hampton Park take a look. It might all be on the up and up, however, he has sold alot of discs and is selling at least 30 more right now that are all used and that is alot of discs to be selling that are all his. Hope all is good and these are not discs that were found and not returned. Go to ebay and type in "discraft lot of 10" take a look and see if anybody recognizes anything if they are "lost discs"

mynameisJonas
Feb 29 2008, 09:25 AM
I don't see the ebay post you are talking about. I did see several other people selling used lots of discs on there. If someone does go into Hampton Park pond and sells the discs online, good for them. At least the discs are up in the air again free from the dark mud that ain't mud to fly and find chains. They should charge extra for the sweet aroma that comes with a Hampton Pond almost new disc.

stack
Feb 29 2008, 09:58 AM
yeah... i couldnt find them @ first either but heres a link to one of them...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Disc-Golf-Lot-of-Dis...1QQcmdZViewItem (http://cgi.ebay.com/Disc-Golf-Lot-of-Discs-Innova-Discraft-Champion-DX_W0QQitemZ330215263952QQihZ014QQcategoryZ79804QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

there are some that've already sold last week if you click on his rating and view past auctions... they have 3 listings up now.

My guess is it wouldn't be hampton park since there is sooo much DX in the auction and I wouldnt think that much dx plastic would get flung @ that tourney but who knows. I did send them a message just asking if they see anything with my name on it to please call me first... i would hope someone would do that with anyone (especially since almost all of his discs listed say they have ink on them)

Mikegdc
Feb 29 2008, 10:14 AM
Yea, ink in the odd form of someone's NAME

MTL21676
Feb 29 2008, 10:20 AM
I have been wondering where my Puma was.

TraddR
Feb 29 2008, 11:08 AM
As I'm sure Jonas would've mentioned, but just to clear it up - this Ed Barton guy is in no way affiliated with the Charleston Disc Golf Club.

Although the name ed barton does ring a bell, I can't think of how I know that name. I will brainstorm.

back on topic:

EARLEWOOD - T-minus 8 hrs

stack
Feb 29 2008, 12:04 PM
FYI (re: discs on ebay)... i just heard back from the guy and he's getting these out of West Ashley (crazy to think theres already that much plastic in the murky deep out there!)

Dana
Feb 29 2008, 12:05 PM
Isn't Ed Barton your alias, Tradd?

Everyone have fun at Earlwood this weekend. I'm jealous!

mynameisJonas
Feb 29 2008, 12:29 PM
I have never lost a disc at Earlwood. I left one in the fairway once, but I got it back. Yet another reason Earlwood isn't that bad.

DNA_2
Feb 29 2008, 01:01 PM
Yeah thats exactly what I was thinking, I just thought it was weird to see that much plastic that has been sold or being sold in a short period of time that is used and most has ink. I knew no Charleston Club Members would do something like that and it was probably just some random guy.

davidsauls
Feb 29 2008, 02:53 PM
Most or all of the rope is out, as Ed was out in the early dawn this morning creating OB where none existed the night before.

I think we're close enough to safely predict terrific weather for this weekend.

DNA_2
Feb 29 2008, 03:33 PM
Lets hope your right. I remember when I first started playing I think it was the 03 Classic and I came out and watched the action in the cold and rain. That was the first time I saw what disc golf really was. Oh the memories and you can't forget about the tree falling over on #11's fairway during the tourney weekend.

davidsauls
Feb 29 2008, 03:49 PM
We had lots of bad weather, for at least part of the tournament, in the late 90s or early 00s. I know 2002 saw a heavy, cold rain for at least one of the days, because I was coaching baseball that season and unable to play, so I spotted on #18---from inside my heated van!

For those who missed it, Chris refers to the one year when the only bad weather we had was a fierce storm that passed through during lunch. It topped a large pine across the #11 fairway, making that hole considerably tougher for the rest of the tournament. Weather was beautiful during actual play.

MTL21676
Feb 29 2008, 03:51 PM
yeah that was my first year there - it was nuts.

it sounded like firecrackers going off as the tree broke in half.

stack
Mar 01 2008, 04:01 AM
its almost go time... see everyone in the morning!

Vanessa
Mar 02 2008, 09:17 AM
I looked at what special ed barton had for sale on Ebay and by golly, one of them is a disc of mine. Marked, I might add, with my name, phone number -- and Mike Kuziak's name and number since its an old Kuz disc from Trophy Lakes. Special Ed agrees that my name and number are on there, but doesn't want to return it to me (says it would be too much time and trouble since he's already put it up for auction!!!). I've got his phone number and I'm not sure I should publicize it here on the board but I will be glad to share it with those who need it.

xterramatt
Mar 02 2008, 09:31 PM
Boo. :(

MTL21676
Mar 02 2008, 11:20 PM
thanks to the Columbia crew for a great tournament and thanks to Beave for putting us up.

And BOOOOOO on the last round ratings. 47 being under a 1000 is beyond stupid

DNA_2
Mar 02 2008, 11:37 PM
I second that

stack
Mar 02 2008, 11:50 PM
i'll 2nd the first part but not the 2nd part... to that i'll say that I should've shot well enough to matter.

fun time though... will def. do it again... i'll start collecting $ now from people to hand deliver when registration opens next year!!

ck34
Mar 03 2008, 12:40 AM
Looks like 47 will rate about 1001 in all four rounds once everything is averaged for the official processing.

Mar 03 2008, 10:00 AM
Good Job Josh!!! Augusta Represent!

Vanessa
Mar 03 2008, 10:02 AM
I caught up with Special Ed Barton yesterday and he agreed to return my disc; he also said that he'd pulled all the ones that had numbers and was making phone calls. He is a local. He said that in the future he will make an effort to get in touch with the person whose name on the disc. Hooray!

davidsauls
Mar 03 2008, 10:24 AM
Thanks for everyone who came. If nothing else, we'd like to grab credit for providing great weather, as advertised (if we can get away with it). One oversight: I reviewed the flyer, and it said nothing about swirling winds.

How about Josh Childs rallying for 5 down in the last round? Or Stan McDaniel, returning from exile to shoot a 44 & 43 on Sunday?

Stoney Hill DGC
Mar 03 2008, 11:11 AM
... and what about David Sauls getting his 1st win. Congrats!

davidsauls
Mar 03 2008, 11:38 AM
... and what about David Sauls getting his 1st win. Congrats!



Witnesses to history---

Never in 45 previous tournaments over almost 12 years has an entire group of players managed to finish behind me. I owe thanks for my success to all those bogeys and bad rolls everyone else suffered. Thanks, guys.

MTL21676
Mar 03 2008, 11:40 AM
I only had one roll away the whole weekend. I threw a terrible shot on 8 and it flipped into the hill and rolled to the bottom of the hill.

I don't how in the world I managed to get so lucky to avoid roll aways like I did.

davidsauls
Mar 03 2008, 12:27 PM
I only had one roll away the whole weekend. I threw a terrible shot on 8 and it flipped into the hill and rolled to the bottom of the hill.

I don't how in the world I managed to get so lucky to avoid roll aways like I did.



Remember that next year when your luck evens out. I saw people get twice as many rollaways on a single hole.

stack
Mar 03 2008, 01:02 PM
... and what about David Sauls getting his 1st win. Congrats!



Witnesses to history---

Never in 45 previous tournaments over almost 12 years has an entire group of players managed to finish behind me. I owe thanks for my success to all those bogeys and bad rolls everyone else suffered. Thanks, guys.



David... that is a hilarious way to put it... great win!!!



I only had one roll away the whole weekend. I threw a terrible shot on 8 and it flipped into the hill and rolled to the bottom of the hill.

I don't how in the world I managed to get so lucky to avoid roll aways like I did.



Remember that next year when your luck evens out. I saw people get twice as many rollaways on a single hole.



Wish I could blame my poor play on roll aways but I got out of the weekend with 0! I did see some pretty nasty ones though... you never wish it on anyone but it is almost 'fun' to watch when looking 5 holes over on the course and seeing a disc almost magically stand up and meander down/across/up the hills and find OB.

Thanks again for the great weather and swirling winds just add to the 'fun'

CYA next year! (if I get in ;)

davidsauls
Mar 03 2008, 01:29 PM
You mention a cool feature of Earlewood, at least this time of year---from almost any vantage point you can watch about a third of the tournament going on around you. Which is especially great when you wish to be distracted from your own game.

I may have had the longest hangtime on a roll---on #8, my perfectly-placed upshot meandered for about 2 minutes before reaching the #4 fairway. The most tragic I saw was Randy Tedder on #6---his drive hit 6' from the pole and rolled down to the bottom, circling to land behind the only available tree. His upshot from there landed 2' from the pole, and proceeded to role towards the roped creek, only stopping a few inches from going OB. I believe I saw the aftermath of someone's putt on #14 rolling all the way across the #5 fairway to go into the OB ditch (but not so tragic since he could take his previous lie and re-putt).

Sometimes at Earlewood is now how your disc flies, but how it lands, that counts.

stack
Mar 03 2008, 01:33 PM
the part about seeing the whole course (or a lot of it) is something I enjoyed a lot... and the worst rolls I saw were probably all Kilgus' ... he can elaborate more but one was him putting on 16 and rolling down near 12's basket (first round I think) and another was putting on hole 8 and having 2 or 3 roll aways in a row.

MTL21676
Mar 03 2008, 01:59 PM
worst hole / roll of the tournament.

Hole 14.

Mike Hofmann putts his drive 30 feet left. He misses his putt off the top and it rolls OB in the ditch on 5.

He then takes it from his previous lie and proceeds to 3 putt.

OUCH

DNA_2
Mar 03 2008, 03:29 PM
Yes my rolls were the worst. I had 6 roll aways total all 50 ft plus and 4 out of the 6 were for birdie puts from 30 ft. in. #16 was the worst because I had only about 15 ft for the bird and then I proceded to double the hole after the roll away. every roll away turned into a bogey or worse. Total birdies in 4 rounds =22.....total amount under=9.....inconsistancy LOL

MTL21676
Mar 03 2008, 03:51 PM
i saw a reporter and a camera guy out.

anyone have links to an article?

jmonny
Mar 04 2008, 12:32 PM
Yea and I'd luv to see some pics posted too, I saw a bunch of photogs out there.

I had a great time at my first Earlewood, thanks to everyone who helped put on this event. Looking forward to next year.

KevinJohnson
Mar 05 2008, 12:27 AM
Yea, I wish The State would have covered this tournament like they did the SC Championships last October. But overall, great tournament and great weather! I can't complain, walking away with no roll-aways and a win!!! :)

DNA_2
Mar 05 2008, 11:06 AM
I just picked up another sponsor!!!! THANK YOU Long Tee Disc Golf Apparel for the pick up....Team Long Tee....for those of you that don't know about Long Tee, they sponsor top pro's like Cale L, Justin Bunnel, E Mac, etc. and are starting to pick up some good Am's. Thanks again to Long Tee Disc Golf Apparel and Alan B.

davidsauls
Mar 07 2008, 12:01 PM
I caught up with Special Ed Barton yesterday and he agreed to return my disc; he also said that he'd pulled all the ones that had numbers and was making phone calls. He is a local. He said that in the future he will make an effort to get in touch with the person whose name on the disc. Hooray!



Good work by Chris for bring this out in the open, and Vanessa for bringing Special into the world of disc golf etiquette. Hopefully he'll be on the receiving end of returned discs one day, and appreciate the guidance.