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Way to go TEAM JUSTICE !!!!

Wow! Looks like a great line-up on some of my favorite courses! I'm gonna have to start adding stuff to my 2008 calendar for at least 4 maybe 5 of these babies!

Great to see it Mitch and Patty. I'm looking forward to playing in some of these!

Mystery Box #1 rocks. I'm pretty sure I hold the course record there. ;)

Anyone know if Texas 10 will be back up? Was this created to fill the void when Texas 10 stopped?

can i go ahead and pre-register for all 8!!

I don't know what's going on with Texas 10, and no, HOTT was not created as a substitute.

Three of the HOTT events have been around for 9 or more years (17 years for COTO).

This tour came about through a combination of existing event support, requests for events at certain venues, requests for one-day events in our area, and mine & MJ's passion to grow this sport....it's that simple.

We are very excited about what's in store for Texas next year!

All year....at every event & on-line in between.....we will be raising money for both EDGE and Breast Cancer Awareness.
Not only will we will have CFR discs available all year that will benefit these charities, there will be other fundraisers as well at each tournament that will raise money too.

Details, details���..everything will be announced in detail soon.

For now, mark your calendars��& prepare for an awesome final at Circle R!

Only a Legend could hold a record at a mystery course............I'm convinced. So.....give us a couple hints! :D

Soon, you will be able to register, on-line, directly, with TeamJustice for all 8 of the qualifiers!

You must play in 4 qualifiers (same division) before you can sign up for the final. Sign ups for the final will be open to everyone one week after the last qualifier (Oktoberfest). Only players that play in 4 qualifiers will be in the Final Bonus.

Let me clarify.......

Once a player has played in 4 qualifying events, they may sign up for the HOTT Final. The final will open to non-qualifying players one week after Oktoberfest.

Anyone who qualifies as 'official' HOTT Staff /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif :D, will get an event credit.

Now, that's HOTT!

What qualifications are needed to become an 'official' HOTT Staffer? :confused:

'Official' HOTT staff doesn't mean you have to be a PDGA official /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

1. Anyone who staffs a HOTT event will earn an event credit.

2. Staff spots will be limited according to venue.

3. Getting a shirt that says...."HOTT Staff".......priceless!

:D

Mo City Mash Jan 19 is on the new Texas States Course!!
Great, great piece o property and a Neal Dambra designed "course of pain"!!

You will love this venue!!

Looking at the 08 schedule:

March 15 Bass same weekend as HOTT The RED Rock Show (Red Rock)
May 24 McDade same weekend as S TX Shootout (Beeville)
Aug 9 Kingwood same weekend as Shule School (Ingleside)
Sept 6 Spring Valley same weekend as HOTT Mystery (who knows)
Oct 4 1st Colony same weekend as HOTT Octoberfest ( Round Rock)
November 8 TC Jester same weekend as HOTT Lewisville Open

Is this a problem for anyone?


reply back or pm back asap! We can look at changing some dates but we want to do it early so that people can make plans (I know, how un-disc-golfer-like)

This should only affect a few of you tournament-obsessed types that want to play both series events or for some unknown reason want to escape the gentle balmy warmth of Houston for the harsh arid clime of Centex

but we have to know cuz we plan on submitting our sanctioning paperwork sooooooon (for disc golfers )

So, replay back or pm me asap!!!

Mo City Mash Jan 19 is on the new Texas States Course!! Mo City Mash Jan 19 is on the new Texas States Course!!

I know let�s do like before.
Have a 2 tournaments every weekend....that way NO-ONE will have a good turnout :confused: And I don't want to hear " we had a good turnout"
CAUSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BIGGER IF ANOTHER EVENT WAS GOING ON!!
What is it going to take to make people understand this.....
You have waves of T.D's that run events for 4 or 5 years and get burned out cause of poor attendance....then another wave of T.D'S come along and do it again....results poor attendance for all Texas events and poor attendance = NO NT!
Instead of running a tournament...run some minis to promote local involvement, contact your churches / schools and do demonstrations. But going up against another town�s tournament is not the answer. The city wants to know what kind of outside revenue will your tournament bring to the city?
How many people attending you event from outside the hosting city?
Just lie to your city officials : cause telling them the true: no outside money will come of the event and will not get you very much city involvement or outside the city sponsorship.
Gary Duke can do a great job, if all the Texas Disc Golf Promoters (or whatever you want to call yourselves, I call yah short time money grabbing off the backs of disc golfers) work with him.
I may not be the state coordinator��..which I a sure these Disc Golf Promoters would love me as the coordinator. But I will be the first golfer to voice my opinion on an new event that goes up against ANY long running event.
I'll step off the soap box now

Vinnie, these guys are targeting a different market than your usual tournament player, so the likelyhood that they would take away from another event out of town is slim.

I posted the following on HFDS board when responding to same post there:

<font color="red"> Posted on Wednesday, December 12, 2007 - 11:48 am:

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IMO, most of the conflicts are with events that are not generally attending by your target market.

I am sure that those of us who are "DIE-HARD" Moody's fans will opt out for RRS and Oktoberfest both. But those are two day camping events, and not heavily attended by H-town players.

Think you shouldn't have any real issues with your events as presented. </font>
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Those of us who go "out of town" regularly, will continue to do so, and we need to let these guys generate some new interest in the HOUSTON area, God knows we need it.

I don't believe you can put these guys in same catagory as some of the previous Houston area promoters.

Suemac with respect.....WHATEVER!

I am not singleing out any one group.......TEXAS as a whole is who I am singleing out.....I should of known some group would take it personally.......thats cause the BIG picture is what needs to be hashed out!

Vinnie,

Whatever back to you Mr. Donkey ;), but when you post right behind their post, what's an intelligent person expected to assume. :D

lil girl flyer? :D :p :D

Of our conflicts so far:
Mar 15 - No other open weekend in Mar
World dubs weekend is a possibility
Aug 9 - Crowley is 215 miles from Kingwood
I don't see that anyone from Houston area made the trip last year
Sep 6 - ?? location from Spring Valley?
We both want the only open date in Sept
Oct 4 - Red Rock
I will recommend Oct 25th
Nov 8 Circle R (the final)
I will recommend Nov 15


What other tourneys are going to turn up this year?
March, April, July, Aug and Sept are all full

It would really help if people would get their calendars out NOW

It would really help if people would get their calendars out NOW




What calander. I thought everything went through Gary and he had the final say on this. When I first saw both sets of events, I was excited trying to figure out which ones I could make over in Houston after scheduling the ones here in central Texas.

I just figured they had been sent to Gary already and he had worked on them, but then I didn't find anything on the LSDGA website.

Where is the calander that you are referring to that has other tournaments listed or are you going by the dates from last year?

I think from reading MM1's first post about the conflicts, he was asking about what other tourneys were out there and he was more than willing to try and move the Houston Tourneys so they wouldn't conflict. I think that is a STAND UP TD to try and do so here on the MB.

With my inlaws in The Woodlands, I am planning on playing McDade and Spring valley this year and others if they work into my schedule.

If there is a tourney calander out there already, please let us know so others can start setting ours schedules. All I have so far are what is listed on the PDGA tour site and the ones listed in Houston and HOTT.

Vinnie,
If you are running for president, I might vote for you. :D

We have worked very closely with the state coordinator in developing this schedule, and all our dates have been approved by him.

Two of the dates you refer to are established tournaments (The 10th Annual Red Rock Show &amp; The 10th Annual Oktoberfest�.both located in Red Rock, Texas�.&amp;�..both have been around 10 years for a reason).

The HOTT final will be in Wimberley (Circle R) and is an A-tier (already submitted to and approved by Mr. Gentry).

I hope the Houston tour does well next year.

Texas is BIG and we all need to work together to make disc golf what it should be in this state�..BIG.

sweet!

After considering the number of spots available in the Final,

We have decided to set spots aside for any Touring Pros who want to play back-to-back A-tiers in Texas (the second A-tier being the HOTT Final). Yes, next year there will be back-to-back A-tiers in Texas!

Well congratulations, Alice, for working the system better than us. I guess if you get with the State Coordinator first, you can run over the other people that want to run tournaments. We will just set our dates on the days that you cannot stop us and say good luck to all.

&lt;--------shaking head!!!
The mind-set:An event 200 miles away from my event will not be affected, IS WRONG. No-one will travel to an event if one is going on in their own back yard. The best compliment a T.D./ course can get is a player traveling those 200 miles. If all your players are local....then what you are doing is having a sanctioned mini.
I know just about very T.D. in Texas and I will be happy to help ANYONE.
Anyone want to talk further on this subject....My # is 512 848-9676
To all you Disc Golf Promoters....Please don't ruin Texas Disc Golf!

I dont think she is trying to run over any other TD,she has a good point about established tournaments such as Red Rock Show and Oktoberfest;most people pick 1 or the 2 and play them so your 1st Colony date shouldnt be that bad anyhow.

ding ding and in this corner :D:D

There will not be any battle
NO Am td wants to get in the ring with a pro TD /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

I don't think this is such a big deal. I personally don't think either TD, or any TD for that matter needs to consult another TD for scheduling a C tier. I am not sure about the official rules.

Whether we like it or not, disc golf in Texas the last few years has become regional. A few travel outside their region for select events, but for the most part, people stay close to home. This apparent desire not to travel is best served by people putting on regional tournaments, without regard to what other regions are doing. Therefore, I am super thankful for what Mitch and Patty are doing, and would feel the same about Michael if I were in Houston. Hell, I want the local clubs to fill up all the open dates, and when I say open dates, I mean when there is not a tournament in Waco, Temple, Gonzales or the the Austin or SA metro areas.


The bottom line: very few travel these days, and setting up a statewide tournament structure to lure travelers is pointless and counterproductive. People want to play close to home.

It almost sounds like Vinnie is advocating the elimination of C-tier events...


Red Rock fills every year
COTO fills every year
Octoberfest fills every year
Gonzales fills every year (so much so that Third Coast ran another event on Sunday this year to meet demand)

All of those are 1 course events - they max out at 90-105 players. There are more than 200 players between Austin and Houston.

Having a competing event 3 hours away will not change the above statements.

As for an A-tier at Circle R - it's probably going to be limited to 144 players and it will fill too.


(And I'm not even considering the TD skills of Team Justice. Count those and the HOTT is a slam dunk success.)

Vinnie,
If you are running for president, I might vote for you. :D



heck, i would work for your campaign! :D

quote] Instead of running a tournament...run some minis to promote local involvement, contact your churches / schools and do demonstrations.

[/QUOTE]
James did you understand this?
If we had ONE PDGA event on a weekend, traveling WOULD grow.
So run the minis and let the sanctioned events reap the benefits.
Has anyone heard " the left had has to work with the right had to clap"

Has anyone heard " the left had has to work with the right had to clap"



Is my left eye seeing what my right eye is seeing? :D

This is where we disagree. In the past, Gary has provided the required protections, designed to prevent a PDGA local event from tempting players away from traveling. It hasn't worked. Very few people travel. For example, take our Austin tournaments of COTO, Waterloo and Outlaws. It's mostly locals, very few travelers. I think the market is speaking: disc golfers, for the most part, don't travel much anymore, even with geographic protections, therefore, the geographic protections are starting to seem unnecessary and counterproductive.

Just a sec! This is no battle. I bow respectfully to the ones that have already given and done so much to the sport we love. I know the dedication and hard work that y'all have put into making Centex dg successful is all about the love of the game. (some would say obsession but they would be spouses) Birdshot has no intention of doing anything but help that continue. Our goal is to get the Greater Houston tournament scene off of life-support and back to growing like it should.

Our mission is to attract new players (and those geographically challenged) into friendly little C tiers so that some day they can grow up and play with the big boys and girls. At our last tourney we had 16 boys and girls under 13. We had over 30 golfers playing their first PGDA event. Believe me, as "fun" as that was, you don't want that at a B Tier!

We foresee that with the amazing growth of our sport in Texas, every tournament will soon fill. Our goal is to get as many new players into the sport as possible to make that happen as soon as possible.

Unless Gary already has one, going forward I would be willing to put together a comprehensive spreadsheet of tournaments and distances to minimize confusion and maximize tournament dates.

We are going to schedule one tournament each month. One of the reasons that we decided on one-day only events was to make it easier to move them away from the established tourneys. Since March, April, July, Aug and Sept are all full (assuming tourneys from the 07 calendar will be run again in 08) that doesn't leave us much choice but to schedule on weekends that are occupied by someone. We tried to avoid weekends that had 07 tourneys that Houstonians have demonstrated that they were willing to travel to. We will continue to do that. I will start a thread in the Houston area. If everyone would post there or email me, I will put it together and post it like the Lonestar calendar on the Birdshot website.

You can not use the 07 schedule as a starting point...The PDGA moved the "A" tiers around so other events had to move as well in 2008...You should work with Mr.Duke to find less conflicting dates...that is what we did...we have already moved 5 of our 9 dates to weekends that had no other PDGA events scheduled...When we did our schedule you had already picked dates that conflicted with long standing events...maybe you should try scheduling your PDGA events with the PDGA ...Mr.Duke is very good at what he does...and I though Vinnie was president :D

So there is a spreadsheet somewhere?

Third coast will have a series with a final this year also!! :D

West Texas may also have a series next year :D

texas disc golf schedule (http://lsdga.com)

Third coast will have a series with a final this year also!! :D


hmmmm interesting idea
A year ago today this was posted
I am proposing to all the different regions of Texas to work together and promote their area with Amateur events that lead to a pro/advance event in their area.
All of the regions have very large pools of amateurs and the amateur pool in any sport is bigger than the professional pool. And that is the reason for galleries at other sporting events. The growth of our sport has always been centered on growth of the amateur player and should continue to have a strong push. In conjunction I believe we are at a time where the better skilled player should be exposed to larger named sponsors. And the main driving point for a larger company to entertain the idea of sponsoring anything is exposure to their products. Any sport today sponsored by large companies has exposure through media coverage, galleries and product sales.
These would mean more amateur events than pro/advance events, the pro/advance events would benefit from a small percentage of the amateur retail to wholesale profit generated at the amateur events. These would stimulate the pro/advance player attendance.
I have listed my opinions on the pros and cons. I would like to know from a player�s view and the T.D.�s views.
Pro
� Amateur winners are bestowed with self worth by being the highest offered division at the event. (not sharing the lime light with better skilled division winners)
� More room in divisions for amateur players at amateur events.(No pros saved spots)
� Course flexibility centered around the amateur player.(course would not need to cater to pro skill level of play )
� Less preparation by T.D. marking multiple tee boxes.
� T.D. could focus on obtaining added to amateur payout and would not have to obtain required added to pro payout.
� PRO/Advance events could obtain gallery from the amateur base not offered
� Amateur events could obtain gallery/staff from the pro base not offered.
Cons
� T.D. logistic agreement to feed a set small percentage (some trust)
� Less pro /advance events ( but that could be a good thing)
� A agreement with region leaders on place of pro/advance event.(Everyone is proud of their course and believes the best player in the world will play there one day)
� T.D.�s obtain less profit margin on retail to wholesale (There are better ways to make money for the people out there in it to make money and it should not be on the back of a amateur entries)

This not a science but I hope the leaders of the below regions can take my thoughts and decide on the healthiest path for their areas. I am sure I am leaving out a course and I can not know the inter working of the regions on growth and future plans. So there is plenty of room with in the regions to grow. But bottom line a trust amongst the events to highlight one or two events as pro/advance is the goal.





BUT here it is:
South:
Live Oak
Gonzales
Universal City
Kyle
San Marcus
These guys should run c tiers (am events) with Live Oak becoming a A tier (not necessary a pro\advance only event
Costal
Corpus Christi
Beeville
Victoria
Port Author area
These is a good scenario for a rotating b tier pro/advance event (between Vic and Corpus until growth in the region)
Houston
Many events occur in are heading up their state NT
Austin
Many event occur in area heading up the COTO
Dallas
BB Owens
Carrolton
Lewisville
This region could use more events
Arlington/Fort Worth
Cedar hill
Crowley
Z boas
Veterans
Fritz Park
These region is a toughie with all ready strong mind T.D.�s and A tiers events (these IMO should be apart of an rotating Texas NT thing that I think these state needs)
West Texas
Abilene
Lubbock
Amarillo
San Angela
Weatherford
These is a good scenario for a rotating b tier pro/advance event (with a future A tiers)
East Texas
Nachadotoes
Tyler
Athens
These is a good scenario for a rotating b tier pro/advance event until growth in the region

Central
Round Rock
Waco
Temple
Georgetown
These is a good scenario for a rotating b tier pro/advance

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or how about this :o

Vinnie - Looks like it's time for our annual discussion about getting TDs/organizers around the state together and seeing if we can come up with something that everyone can buy into and that everyone can benefit from.

Can we think about setting a place and a date and really making an effort to get everyone there? Do we need to get GnD involved for scheduling purposes? :D

Vinnie,
If you are running for president, I might vote for you. :D



heck, i would work for your campaign! :D



He could start by ending the war.

Y'all still intend to herd cats?

This bottom up approach of collecting all TD's aspirations and trying to equitably schedule them is UNDOABLE. Just give it up. A much better approach is a top down approach where the state is divided into sensical regions (not what is listed above) and then allot each region one or two exclusive dates, depending on the number of golfers in the region. These dates should be scattered uniformly across the calendar. All other dates are left open to anyone and everyone, and every TD will know that no PDGA protection will be afforded those dates and they are on their own.

To understand just how ineffective this bottom up approach is, look at this thread. Right now, only two areas are represented. Just wait until Third Coast, DFW, Lubbock, East Texas, et al jump in. It's madness.

The 3rd Coast dates will probably end up all the same as last year. We were trying to move the CCO to not conflict with BAB but the only other option looks like it would have to be the same weekend as waterloo so... Waterloo let us know if it would be cool other wise i guess we'll leave it how it was last year....

the schedule is lookin somthin like:

Sat 29-Dec-07 Sun 30-Dec-07
Sat 05-Jan-08 Sun 06-Jan-08 PIO(NTS)
Sat 12-Jan-08 Sun 13-Jan-08
Sat 19-Jan-08 Sun 20-Jan-08 GHCS
Sat 26-Jan-08 Sun 27-Jan-08 Lewisville Open
Sat 02-Feb-08 Sun 03-Feb-08 Superbowl
Sat 09-Feb-08 Sun 10-Feb-08 Big Show(NTS)/GHCS
Sat 16-Feb-08 Sun 17-Feb-08 Big Show(NTS)
Sat 23-Feb-08 Sun 24-Feb-08 Victoria
Sat 01-Mar-08 Sun 02-Mar-08 Huck Fest/Moffit Show
Sat 08-Mar-08 Sun 09-Mar-08 TX State Doubles
Sat 15-Mar-08 Sun 16-Mar-08 HOTT(Red Rock Show)/GHCS/Concho
Sat 22-Mar-08 Sun 23-Mar-08 Easter
Sat 29-Mar-08 Sun 30-Mar-08 HOTT(Gonzales)/Conroe-moving
Sat 05-Apr-08 Sun 06-Apr-08 Tx States
Sat 12-Apr-08 Sun 13-Apr-08 Am WD Dbls/BG Pro
Sat 19-Apr-08 Sun 20-Apr-08 Woodmen/PPO
Sat 26-Apr-08 Sun 27-Apr-08 GHCS/West Texas Dbls/TWC
Sat 03-May-08 Sun 04-May-08 PGM/Disc Crazy
Sat 10-May-08 Sun 11-May-08 Mother's Day/A-Z/SFMC
Sat 17-May-08 Sun 18-May-08 GCC Tulsa/HOTT(COTO)
Sat 24-May-08 Sun 25-May-08 GHCS/S, <font color="red"> TXShootout </font>
Sat 31-May-08 Sun 01-Jun-08 TWFSolo/
Sat 07-Jun-08 Sun 08-Jun-08 Waco
Sat 14-Jun-08 Sun 15-Jun-08 FDF/GHCS
Sat 21-Jun-08 Sun 22-Jun-08 Wild Hair/ <font color="red"> FlyinSaucer 3C Challenge </font>
Sat 28-Jun-08 Sun 29-Jun-08 HOTT(Kyle)
Sat 05-Jul-08 Sun 06-Jul-08 LOSO
Sat 12-Jul-08 Sun 13-Jul-08 GHCS/ <font color="red">Shule School</font>
Sat 19-Jul-08 Sun 20-Jul-08 Cedarville Open
Sat 26-Jul-08 Sun 27-Jul-08 HOTT(Manor)
Sat 02-Aug-08 Sun 03-Aug-08
Sat 09-Aug-08 Sun 10-Aug-08 GHCS/PIAS Open
Sat 16-Aug-08 Sun 17-Aug-08
Sat 23-Aug-08 Sun 24-Aug-08 TOT/ <font color="red">Gonzales Open </font>
Sat 30-Aug-08 Sun 31-Aug-08 HOTT(Snow Farm)
Sat 06-Sep-08 Sun 07-Sep-08 HOTT(Blanco)/GHCS
Sat 13-Sep-08 Sun 14-Sep-08 Mr Jim's
Sat 20-Sep-08 Sun 21-Sep-08 Outlaws
Sat 27-Sep-08 Sun 28-Sep-08 Lewisville Fall Classic
Sat 04-Oct-08 Sun 05-Oct-08 HOTT(OctoberFest)/GHCS
Sat 11-Oct-08 Sun 12-Oct-08 Big Arms/ <font color="red"> CCO </font>
Sat 18-Oct-08 Sun 19-Oct-08 Waterloo
Sat 25-Oct-08 Sun 26-Oct-08 OO
Sat 01-Nov-08 Sun 02-Nov-08 VPO
Sat 08-Nov-08 Sun 09-Nov-08 HOTT Final
Sat 15-Nov-08 Sun 16-Nov-08 GHCS
Sat 22-Nov-08 Sun 23-Nov-08 TX Teams
Sat 29-Nov-08 Sun 30-Nov-08 Thanksgiving
Sat 06-Dec-08 Sun 07-Dec-08 Piney Woods
Sat 13-Dec-08 Sun 14-Dec-08 GHCS/NTS
Sat 20-Dec-08 Sun 21-Dec-08 Christmas
Sat 27-Dec-08 Sun 28-Dec-08 Christmas

Well.........isn't this thread a fireball of entertainment; however, I do believe there are existing threads with the sole purpose of debating the Texas Disc Golf Schedule infrastructure.



Now, back to our regularly scheduled program�����������

Manor should be open by the end of February! We�ve been waiting a long time for this course to open, and I can assure you, it will be well worth the wait!
That means you�ll be able to practice the course for several months before the 1st Annual Manor Championship (July 26th, 2008). Not only is the course top notch, the park rocks too. Some extras in the park include fishing ponds, basketball courts, picnic tables, bbq pits, a swimming pool ran by the YMCA (pay to swim) with a special �pirate ship� pool for the kids, and much more. It really is a great place to take the whole family! There�s something for everyone.

I saw a somthing about Manor on the news the other day, sounds like a real nice park..

By the way I am defenitely lookin forward to playin an A-tier at Circle R!!! :D:D
Great Job makin that happen!!!

Now where are those threads on the Texas DG infrastructure at again?

Well.........isn't this thread a fireball of entertainment; however, I do believe there are existing threads with the sole purpose of debating the Texas Disc Golf Schedule infrastructure.


Agreed. Everyone interested in rehashing the "what's best for disc golf in Texas debate" should go to...
Central Texas DG (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Other%20PDGA%20Topics&amp;Number=60 7328&amp;Searchpage=5&amp;Main=607328&amp;Search=true&amp;#Post607 328)
or...
What's wrong with disc golf in Texas... reincarnated (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Other%20PDGA%20Topics&amp;Number=45 0863&amp;Searchpage=1&amp;Main=450863&amp;Search=true&amp;#Post450 863)
or even...
Too Many Texas Tournaments? (http://www.pdga.com/msgboard/showflat.php?Board=Other%20PDGA%20Topics&amp;Number=26 2116&amp;Searchpage=7&amp;Main=262116&amp;Search=true&amp;#Post262 116)

Give Team Justice their tournament thread back.

Okay Okay ;)

Sorry Patty, please forgive me. I'll go to timeout now. :p

Thanks LouTastic :D

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Gonzales
Snow Farm
Finale for sure!

I really want to get up there for COTO once where I can play in it too, but something always seems to bombshell me on COTO weekend...

Thanks Team Justice! :D

I get too busy to look at the site for a couple of weeks and every thing falls apart.

Just a quick note. I have some time again, passed my finals and can breath now. The schedule will be up on the LSDGA.com site this weekend.

Yes, Vinnie I am upset that there are no free weekends in the fall and that we are once again having to put events against each other, but care is taken to put events that don't normally draw from the same player base on the same weekend.

Already I have 62 events (5 of them A-Tiers or Majors, 21 of them B-Tiers) and 8 holidays to fit into 52 weekends. There is going to be some overlap.

I have not heard from most of the TDs of unsanctioned events so there are about a dozen more that will pop up soon.

I expect to be really close to 100 events this year. I think most of them are going to do very well.

Please take any further discussion to one of the other threads the Lou pointed out, and Good Luck with the HOTT series of events.

GnDuke

I was really hoping to play in this series, but I don't know if I'll be able to go to enough qualifiers. COTO is the same weekend as the NT in Tulsa, Outlaws is the same weekend as the USWDGC's, and Snow Farm is the same weekend as the Southern Nationals Pro Championships (Little Rock this time).

I saw those conflicts after a brief glance at the schedule.

O.k. James.......you can come out of the corner now :D

Yeah......COTO hasn't had to go up against a NT so close before (it's had the same weekend for several years now), but I'm not worried about it. I'm excited for the Tulsa guys &amp; gals. They worked hard to get their NT, and I don't think our little 'Super B' will affect them.
Outlaws is not a qualifier for HOTT.
We moved the Snow Farm event to that weekend because it was an open weekend in Texas (one of few) &amp; we didn't want it to conflict with things here.
That leaves you 6 other qualifiers.....you only need 4 to qualify for the Final Bonus.......you got that
;)

I'm going to have to see how the heck I'm going to try and squeeze 4 of the events in... :( When will the mystery box event be decided? Any prospects for that location yet?

We will open Mystery Box #1 soon!

I'll give you a hint...........

It will be in the Heart of Texas :D

We will open Mystery Box #1 soon!

I'll give you a hint...........

It will be in the Heart of Texas :D



Dang! You're trying to pull the ol' bait 'n' switch routine on us now!!! :D

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We will open Mystery Box #1 soon!

I'll give you a hint...........

It will be in the Heart of Texas :D



I'll start the rumors now.....


I heard it was going to be at Bart :D:D

and it's gonna be HOTT!!! :D

Bart? I'm not really a fan of Bart :o, but that could be due to how many discs I've thrown in the water there ;)

I'm thinking........no!

Hmmmmmmmmm......the schedule Erron posted says Blanco...could be there....heeee heeeeeeeee........

I heard a rumor it was going to be Thing one &amp; Thing two!

You never know what might pop out of a mystery box!

September 6th should still be pretty HOTT 'round here, for sure!

I'm going to have to see how the heck I'm going to try and squeeze 4 of the events in... :( When will the mystery box event be decided? Any prospects for that location yet?



So Lizard which tourney should i fly back for?

We will open Mystery Box #1 soon!

I'll give you a hint...........

It will be in the Heart of Texas :D



I'll start the rumors now.....


I heard it was going to be at Bart :D:D



Bart? I'm not really a fan of Bart :o, but that could be due to how many discs I've thrown in the water there ;)

I'm thinking........no!

Hmmmmmmmmm......the schedule Erron posted says Blanco...could be there....heeee heeeeeeeee........

I heard a rumor it was going to be Thing one &amp; Thing two!

You never know what might pop out of a mystery box!


Maybe a one day with two championship courses at Twin Parks Country Club! (http://twinparkscountryclub.com/) Now, that would really be cool.:D

'Official' HOTT staff doesn't mean you have to be a PDGA official /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

1. Anyone who staffs a HOTT event will earn an event credit.:D
2. Staff spots will be limited according to venue.

3. Getting a shirt that says...."HOTT Staff".......priceless!




Lists have been started and staffers are rolling in! If you want to staff one of the HOTT events, please contact us.

I'm going to have to see how the heck I'm going to try and squeeze 4 of the events in... :( When will the mystery box event be decided? Any prospects for that location yet?



So Lizard which tourney should i fly back for?



Fly? Wassup with that? Did you move out of state or something?

Hmmm...If you like doing the somewhat primitive camping thing, then the Snow Farm gig is a great place and a great time. The after-hours scene is always lots of fun too...:D

Man! It sure is gonna be tough to hit 4 of these...

Patty/Mitch: Does the finale itself count as the 4th one, or do we have to hit 4 events BEFORE the finale?

We will open Mystery Box #1 soon!

I'll give you a hint...........

It will be in the Heart of Texas :D



I'll start the rumors now.....


I heard it was going to be at Bart :D:D



Bart? I'm not really a fan of Bart :o, but that could be due to how many discs I've thrown in the water there ;)

I'm thinking........no!

Hmmmmmmmmm......the schedule Erron posted says Blanco...could be there....heeee heeeeeeeee........

I heard a rumor it was going to be Thing one &amp; Thing two!

You never know what might pop out of a mystery box!


Maybe a one day with two championship courses at Twin Parks Country Club! (http://twinparkscountryclub.com/) <font color="red"> Now, that would really be cool.:D</font>



No, not cool.... HOTT

Twin Pssh

We will open Mystery Box #1 soon!

I'll give you a hint...........

It will be in the Heart of Texas :D



I'll start the rumors now.....


I heard it was going to be at Bart :D:D



Bart? I'm not really a fan of Bart :o, but that could be due to how many discs I've thrown in the water there ;)

I'm thinking........no!

Hmmmmmmmmm......the schedule Erron posted says Blanco...could be there....heeee heeeeeeeee........

I heard a rumor it was going to be Thing one &amp; Thing two!

You never know what might pop out of a mystery box!


Maybe a one day with two championship courses at Twin Parks Country Club! (http://twinparkscountryclub.com/) <font color="red"> Now, that would really be cool.:D</font>



No, not cool.... HOTT


Thank you to correct me. :D

We will open Mystery Box #1 soon!

I'll give you a hint...........

It will be in the Heart of Texas :D



My money is on a course where the holes are tight and the hills are sandy. ;)

8 qualifiers and the final (not a qualifier).

When you play in 4 qualifiers (or staff - staffers get an event credit), you qualify for the Final Bonus payout....which I'm thinking will be pretty juicy. With the Final being an A-tier, there'll be at least another $1500 cash added to the Pro payout.

Squeezin' in that 4th event will be WELL worth it!

'Official' HOTT staff doesn't mean you have to be a PDGA official /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

1. Anyone who staffs a HOTT event will earn an event credit.:D
2. Staff spots will be limited according to venue.

3. Getting a shirt that says...."HOTT Staff".......priceless!




Lists have been started and staffers are rolling in! If you want to staff one of the HOTT events, please contact us.


I'd like to staff COTO again this year. :D

I used to be one of the most traveled players in Texas, but the last couple of years I've really started playing less and less tournaments.

The biggest reasons have been time and money. With the increases in gas prices and tournament entry fees, plus the cost of lodging, I was having a hard time justifying spending thousands of dollars a year to play in 25+ tournaments.

Plus, as others have stated, playing in a two day tournament away from home really puts a strain on getting home early enough on Sunday night to get ready for work on Monday.
___________

With ALL that said --- I am extremely excited about the new regional series popping up in Texas for 2008. Especially the Justice's efforts to pull together HOTT.

I look forward to supporting this series, as it's exactly what I was hoping for in terms of tournament opportunities this year.

You got it!

Thanks, Bert :)

Rooster,

Glad to hear we'll help make your '08 tournament year more exciting!

All last year, we listened to the golfers in this area talk about what they wanted/needed when it came to local events &amp; tried to address everyone's wants/needs when organizing HOTT. Of course, there's no way we can make everyone happy, but we are definitely gonna crank it up and make it HOTT 'round here!

Happy Holidays!

Its Getting Hott in here!!

Waco, Mystery box?

make that 2 votes for Waco,2 rounds at Cameron East

What about 1 round at Bart, 1 round at (the upcoming 18 hole Champ layout at) Circle C? :D

Its Getting Hott in here!!

I would just like to add on that some of us cannot travel.
I am a full time student and cannot give the funds or an entire weekend to traveling. I love knowing there is something going on nearby. Either way, there will be conflict and not everyone will be pleased. So take the good with the bad and bring it to the course whenever you can.

I just want to play some freakin golf!

Moon

I would just like to add on that some of us cannot travel.
I am a full time student and cannot give the funds or an entire weekend to traveling. I love knowing there is something going on nearby. Either way, there will be conflict and not everyone will be pleased. So take the good with the bad and bring it to the course whenever you can.

I just want to play some freakin golf!

Moon


Well Said!!!!! I could not agree more. There is no schedule that is going to make everyone happy so let's just get out there and throw!

I LOVE Waco.....both courses, and Old Cameron is one of my favorite courses of all time. I played some of my first tourneys there &amp; had my one &amp; only ace ever on #8 (during a tournament.....while pregnant!).
Sorry, but no, Waco is NOT the Mystery Box.......good guess, though!

I LOVE Waco.....both courses, and Old Cameron is one of my favorite courses of all time. I played some of my first tourneys there &amp; had my one &amp; only ace ever on #8 (during a tournament.....while pregnant!).
Sorry, but no, Waco is NOT the Mystery Box.......good guess, though!



C'mon this is easy..........WILCO!

Ok, so it's a no brainer... :eek:

Ok, so it's a no brainer... :eek:




I hope so considering it is the best in Austin.

Ok, so it's a no brainer... :eek:




I hope so considering it is the best in Austin.


It is a great course but, not really inside of Austin. Wilco is closest to Leander in Williamson County.
Have you played Seawrong yet?

Ok, so it's a no brainer... :eek:




I hope so considering it is the best in Austin.


It is a great course but, not really inside of Austin. Wilco is closest to Leander in Williamson County.
Have you played Seawrong yet?



Yeah a long time ago. Please don't try to say it is the best...........

Ok, so it's a no brainer... :eek:




I hope so considering it is the best in Austin.



i concur!

Get it right.....Wilco is NOT a Austin course
that ones ours /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

and a real easy way to tell is there is not piles of beer cans and cigerettes on every other tee box. like Peace park. that new hole 13 in the back has so much trash on it I thought the tee box was a dumpster.

Get it right.....Wilco is NOT a Austin course
that ones ours /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif



yes, and y'all make such good use of it too. How many tourneys have y'all run there? :eek:

How many tourneys have y'all run there

1 would be more than you have ran in your whole life. :D

How many tourneys have y'all run there

1 would be more than you have ran in your whole life. :D


OUCH!!!!

How many tourneys have y'all run there

1 would be more than you have ran in your whole life. :D



You're getting good at the zingers. One is about seven less than should have been out there.

Sorry for the thread drift Patty. ;)

Looking forward towards the HOTT series and Happy New Year to Team Justice.

The county is a bunch of money grubbing non-mentionables.
Atleast we get to play it
What GREAT course in Austin doesn't run events.....wait....there ain't any great courses in Austin /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

The county is a bunch of money grubbing non-mentionables.
Atleast we get to play it
What GREAT course in Austin doesn't run events.....wait....there ain't any great courses in Austin /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif





That's better than Houston. We don't have anything close to a great course.

What GREAT course in Austin doesn't run events.....wait....there ain't any great courses in Austin /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif


Pease, less the retard traffic used to be GREAT. That is until 3 holes were butchered. Who cares that one of the most scenic holes in all of Texas, The Capital Hole, no longer exists-I CARE. On a side note- Great Tee signs Zach!!! :cool:

Butchered?????? You got to be kidding. Olse took two ridiculous holes and one scenic but pedestrian hole and made two good ones and probably the best par 4 in central Texas. Man, disc golf has a long way to go.

Butchered?????? You got to be kidding. Olse took two ridiculous holes and one scenic but pedestrian hole and made two good ones and probably the best par 4 in central Texas. Man, disc golf has a long way to go.



Yeah I like the new version better especially the old capitol of TX hole.

I can undestand about old 12 being ridiculous because of the trees. So instead of cutting 3-4 trees and making a line, 20+ trees were bulldozed. Creating a new 12 that is a straight uphill shot, wow hard, then 13 which is a "lucky" par 4 and now 14 is a crappy slight dogleg right. I say 13 is a "lucky" par 4 because it doglegs right-downhill. So where ever your tee shot lands, if you hit the gap, it is luck to see how far down the hill you roll/skip. I don't understand how you convinced the city to let you plow through the back part of the park but can't maintain tee boxes. Disc golf has already come a long way. More athleteic people are taking up the "sport" now. I bet you think 400ft thumbers at Texas Teams is cheating too...

Peace is a good course. I agree.....any course can be good when all the rest of your course are bad examples
And anyways EVERYONE in Austin loves or thinks when you throw a disc, it should hit as many rocks,slice your disc,or skip of homeless fairways /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
We should move this conversation to Waterloo thread....no one in Austin reads the tourney page as much as they do the tye dye thread :D

Vinnie is there a schedule of discgolf tournaments in Texas? If so where can I find this? Thanks.

yeah, I agree. Dragon's discussing what makes a good golf hole is a far out, freaky thing. It should be on a tye-dye thread inspired by bad acid.

For the record It's "Newcap" to you lamens and I challenge you to three it.

You might get it once in COTO, but just once. :eek:

already 3'd it. :D

already 3'd it. :D



yes, but how many times?

For the record It's "Newcap" to you lamens and I challenge you to three it.

You might get it once in COTO, but just once. :eek:



Already have but just once as I have only played it twice.

I have played it 3 times one 3 and 2 4's. I dont play peace much to due to I like my plastic without gouges in them. :confused:

I have played it 3 times one 3 and 2 4's. I dont play peace much to due to I like my plastic without gouges in them. :confused:




Trees will do that to you Round Crockers.

not the trees you fool. I am talking the lack of grass and abundance of ROCKS!!!

C'mon Ware, we all know you discs hit more trees than ground.

I think hole 13 is a very nice hole. It is a good, challenging par 4. SuperGirl (Nicole) had an easy 15 foot putt for par once on that hole (she has played the hole 3 times). Unfortunately she missed the putt. I think she could make a 3 if she could manage to hit the 1st opening in the trees with her sidewinder. It is a difficult 1st shot (if you are trying for a 3), but it is doable (especially for top players). Of course I am not a top player, so I would be very happy with a 4 on that hole.

Thanks.......Rick

C'mon Ware, we all know you discs hit more trees than ground.

yea right we all know I throw over the trees. :D


" think hole 13 is a very nice hole"
it is a nice hole but not near as scenic as when you would drive staring at the state capitol...

now back to the HOTT series

not scenic,but the new hole plays at least 2 strokes harder;I used to get a lot of 2's on the capital hole but I have yet to get a 3 on the new #13.

It's official.......

The Mystery Box event will be held at Twin Parks Country Club (http://www.twinparkscountryclub.com/):cool:in Dripping Springs, TX!

The official schedule will be updated soon.

My goal is to have most of the tour stuff (including all current details) up on the website by the end of this month. Which is also when the first HOTT CFR discs will be available.

We will have several exciting announcements over the next few weeks; so, stay tunned!

We will open Mystery Box #1 soon!

I'll give you a hint...........

It will be in the Heart of Texas :D



I'll start the rumors now.....


I heard it was going to be at Bart :D:D



Bart? I'm not really a fan of Bart :o, but that could be due to how many discs I've thrown in the water there ;)

I'm thinking........no!

Hmmmmmmmmm......the schedule Erron posted says Blanco...could be there....heeee heeeeeeeee........

I heard a rumor it was going to be Thing one &amp; Thing two!

You never know what might pop out of a mystery box!


Maybe a one day with two championship courses at Twin Parks Country Club! (http://twinparkscountryclub.com/) Now, that would really be cool.:D



You mean I guessed it right? :eek: :o:D:p
Can I pick the white tees to play from?

I'll start the rumors now.....





Maybe a one day with two championship courses at Twin Parks Country Club! (http://twinparkscountryclub.com/) <font color="red"> Now, that would really be cool.:D</font>



No, not cool.... HOTT

Ding....Ding...Ding!

Yes, Bert, you guessed right!

We are excited to hold an event at, &amp; give back to, a unique Texas Disc Golf venue that has given so much to the disc golf community!

Again, staff spots will be limited; so, if you'd like to staff the 'The HOTT Twin Parks Country Club Clash 2008', please contact us.

Patty,

On the PDGA schedule it shows the HOTT Finals being at Wimberley, not Circle C???

Patty,

On the PDGA schedule it shows the HOTT Finals being at Wimberley, not Circle C???





It is at Circle R...............

:o:o:o:p

Yes, it's at Circle R! :cool:

In fact, I think I better go check out those courses ;)

...........off to play some golf!

I'm gonna have to turn on my heater 'cause I wanna be HOTT now! :D

The first HOTT CFR's are on the way and should be available by the 21st :cool:

There will be a series of CFR discs for HOTT. Each run will have a different HOTT stamp!

There will be a series of CFR discs for HOTT. Each run will have a different HOTT stamp!


and none of them will suck! /msgboard/images/graemlins/ooo.gif :) :cool::cool:

Is it too soon to start a thread about the 10th Annual Red Rock Show?

availability info coming soon...
support your TeamJustice and your DiscNation!

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We are very excited to announce
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as the Presenting Sponsor for HOTT 2008!

Check out DiscNation (http://www.discnation.com) for all your disc golf gear.

DiscNation will also be taking all on-line registrations for the Heart Of Texas Tour 2008. On-line registration for The 10th Annual Red Rock Show will be up this week!

Yes, the CFR's are in! This is the first set of a 10 set series. All discs are numbered, and #'s 1-13 are signed by the artist....ZAM. They'll be available to purchase on-line VERY soon!
We have:
Champion Glow Wraiths!
Star Ontario Rocs!
AND
Pro Line Destroyers!

I managed to get one up today....between sneezes

check it out here:
HOTT CFR Star Ontario Roc #5 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;rd=1&amp;item=290200517975&amp;ssPa geName=STRK:MESE:IT&amp;ih=019)

___________________The 10th Annual Red Rock Show
_____________Event #1 of the Heart of Texas Tour 2008
____________________Presented by Disc Nation
____________________A TeamJustice Production


Moody�s--Red Rock, Texas--March 15th and 16th
This event will be the first of eight qualifiers for the HOTT Final Bonus
3 Rounds, 21 holes each, plus a 9 hole final for the top �
There must be at least 3 players entered to support a division.
Players meeting Sat. 9:00am-1st round 9:30am
PDGA B-tier
****************$750 added to the Pro payout***************


All Heart of Texas Tour events will be raising money for E.D.G.E. and Breast Cancer Awareness
The Other HOTT Final Qualifiers:
Gonzales March 29th �C� tier * Capitol of Texas Open May 17-18th �B� tier
Kyle June 28th �C� tier * Manor July 26th �C� tier * Snow Farm August 30-31st �B� tier
Twin Parks September 6th �C� tier * Oktoberfest October 4-5th �B� tier
The Final
Circle R November 8th-9th �A� tier
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Red Rock Show 2008
Name___________________________________ PDGA#_________
Address___________________________________________ ______
City____________________State_____________Zip_____ _______
e-mail_______________________
I would like to register to play in the ______________ division
Fees: (X) all appropriate amounts
___ $68.00 MPO-FPO
___ $58.00 Pro Master
___ $53.00 All Advanced Divisions
___ $38.00 All Intermediate and Recreational Divisions
___ $5.00 Ace Pot
___ $10.00 non-pdga fee
_X_ $10.00 Greens Fee (not optional)
***All entries include a $3 PDGA Fee and $5 to the HOTT final bonus***
*** Green Fees include Camping Friday and Saturday***

$______ Total fees enclosed
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This event will sell out! Don�t delay�..
Register online today at www.discnation.com (http://www.discnation.com)
Mail: send your registration form and check or money order to:
Team Justice
3437 Cox Rd.
Blanco, TX 78606
Questions or Sponsorship call (830)-392-6060 or
e-mail: [email protected] or
Get more information at www.teamjusticediscgolf.com (http://www.teamjusticediscgolf.com)

The revamped TeamJustice (http://teamjusticediscgolf.com) website is up! :cool:
Things will still be changing/updated on a regular basis....so stay tuned.

Special thanks to ZAMdesign (http://www.zamdesign.com) ;)

After careful consideration, we decided not to take our own on-line entries this year. Online registration for HOTT events will be taken by Disc Nation (http://www.discnation.com) .

HOTT CFRs are now available on the TeamJustice website!
DiscNation will also have HOTT CFRs available very soon!

There are still exciting things to come!

I think it's getting HOTTer 'round here
:D

The Gonzales Liberty Battle

Details for this PDGA C-tier may be viewed here. (http://www.teamjusticediscgolf.com/gonzaleslibertybattle08)

It is the 2nd of 8 total HOTT 2008 Final Bonus qualifiers.

Register today online at Disc Nation. (http://www.discnation.com/HOTT-Event-2-Gonzales-TX-p-14087.html)

Updates &amp; other details will be posted on the TeamJustice (http://www.teamjusticediscgolf.com) website.

I have a few things to announce :)

First of all....

I'm excited to announce the Susan G. Komen for the Cure - Austin Chapter (http://www.komenaustin.org/site/PageServer) as the official HOTT breast cancer awareness charity. We CAN make a difference! Soon we will have 'Texans for Tatas' items for sale on the TeamJustice website and at all The HOTT by Disc Nation events. It is my pleasure to announce that 100% of all net profits from 'Texans for Tatas' t-shirts will go directly to the Susan G. Komen for the Cure!

Next and kinda cool��������

Millennium Golf Discs has seriously stepped up to the plate for HOTT 2008!

Thanks to Millennium Golf Discs, there will be $75,000 in HOTT Hole-In-One contests this year!!!!

:cool::D :D

awessome , well done team Justice!!!! Keep up the good work!!

Thanks!

Check out all the new &amp; updated Red Rock Show information here. (http://www.teamjusticediscgolf.com/redrockshow08.html)

Stuff you need to know about tee times, food, payout, &amp; more!

Hi Patty. I'm a little slow, can you confirm that the only advanced division playing the long tees is the MA1 group not including MM1(old people). Basically are Mitch(he's old) and I playing the longs or not?

Correct MA1 will play the longer tees...with all other non-pro divisions (including the old people) playing the shorter tees

Is this thingclose to selling out? Will I be able tos ign up day of?

My calculations put this at sold out by March 4th....so, I dont think you can successfully wait til day of...

We are about half full at this point(around 60 signed up)...and there will be no day of sign-ups

Sooooooo.....
When will registration for Kyle begin? :cool:

Very soon...Disc Nation has the info...we should be live in the next few days

Kyle info is up

here. (http://www.teamjusticediscgolf.com/KYLEentryo8)

Patty and Mitch: do you know why the gonzales info wasn't in the lastest ratings update?

I've seen this happen before though not by anything any of the T.D.s did. Most likely you will see the ratings on the next update.

I've seen this happen before though not by anything any of the T.D.s did. Most likely you will see the ratings on the next update.



They just didn't get the TD report and everything else sent in for it to make the update.

gonzales info wasn't in the lastest ratings update

actaully I paid Mitch and patty to burn those scores :D

actaully I paid Mitch and patty to burn those scores :D


So first he demands the scores be posted and then he pays to have them burned??? :eek: :D

I didn't pay. I only asked nicely. :o

It sure will be great to see the Twin Parks Hill Country Clash sign-ups soon. I got money burning a hole in my pocket. :o:D

I didn't pay. I only asked nicely

I did :D:p