true dat

A Tiers and NTs stats are good, and no doubt they are important, but just like in golf, our "Majors" are what defines the top players

so as others have said, its not over until its over, especially with 3 of the biggest tournaments of the year left

Exactly! You don't win rookie of the year from how you play halfway through the season. But I agree McBeth is definitely the front runner and more than likely will take it.

Slick Willie was throwing roc's futher than Paul when he was in town. Shoestring also beat'em by 6-7 strokes this weekend too. :o




I beat Paul too but that doesn't mean much! So far Paul is killing the As and NTs by anyone's standards and was #6 in NT points. Beating him at a B-tier is only a chink in the armor.

A Tiers and NTs stats are good, and no doubt they are important, but just like in golf, our "Majors" are what defines the top players




Given this philosophy, where does Sharp stack up against Nikko for the 07 race?
I'm pretty sure Nikko is ahead in every single statistical category for results in A tiers, NT's and Majors.

Should rookie of the year be voted on or based on statistical data, kind of like world rankings?

voted on.

voted on.




Based on what? The stats they send to us or something else?

voted on.




Based on what? The stats they send to us or something else?



I guess I was thinking a formula of sorts:
rating, ranking, money earned,wins, top finishes in A tiers, NT's and majors. how many players they beat that year with ratings higher then them, how many 1000 rated players were beat,,etc!

For the future of the ROY award, voting just doesn't seem like the logical way to assure the best player wins the award.

I can see hall of fame voting being done by other hall of famer's, that seems appropriate.

Maybe I'm confused about ROY and relating it too much to traditional sports, where they give the award to the Best Player based on stats.

I am not on here to defend Nikko actions over the last few years, of course they were unacceptable to me at times.
He was an 16-18 year old kid with lots of energy and emotion who is out there up against some pretty big odds each and every week, trying his best to perform.
For those of you who have not played a sport at the highest level of competition, it comes with a lot of pressure.
Nikko is maturing and becoming an adult, this doesn't happen overnight, but he has gotten a lot better and tries to make sure he does not effect others with his style of play.
I can make a long LONG list of disc golf players past and present that expect a lot out of themselves during play and release frustration as a way keeping their game together.
There is a fine line between doing this and interfering with other players.
This exact thing happens in Ball golf and Tennis more then you would ever imagine and there's thousands of people watching.

If a rookie player ranked out of the top 130 in the world wins this award over a player ranked 24, it would be just one more thing keeping the professional disc golf association from being legitimated.

voting for an award...

choosing a best movie or music artist is opinion based. choosing who will be most likely to succeed in your yearbook is opinion based. there's no other way to do it.

but in sports, one player can actually be better than another and it will show in the stats. you're not voting for who you like better. it shouldn't be a popularity contest. stats should decide the award.

we'll see!

no doubt, but i have a feeling that it will turn into a "what rookie has made the most friends?" award.

or a which rookie represented the game the best award?

i know we've been through this before but can someone point out which sports the ROY award is NOT subject to a vote?

Players don't all play a set line up of tournaments. So, while stats are a generally good indicator, they are not the be all and end all. It's not like a distance contest where the winner is easy to determine. IMO, sportsmanship SHOULD be a factor in deciding who gets Rookie of the Year.

sure, i can see it being a factor, but it would have to be more important than EVERYTHING ELSE to matter. that's the point and the only way that nikko would lose. he wins in every other category, so what is this award really about?

or a which rookie represented the game the best award?

i know we've been through this before but can someone point out which sports the ROY award is NOT subject to a vote?


In very few, as in almost never, sports does a guy with runaway stats lose over sportsmanship. Usually it is a deciding factor in closer races.

Sharp's a cool guy, met him last weekend.
Nikko's an... unusual... guy, met him last year.

Both are cool to hang out with, and if their stats were similar I'd probably be really torn over this if I had a vote, and may even vote Cory over what I've seen of him on the course... but their stats aren't all that close really. Not that it matters, I don't have a vote.

I told Nikko to forget about the ROY award and it looks like he has and moved in to bigger and better things like trying to win worlds. /msgboard/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

scooter good thing you told him because he didn't win LOL! ...didn't win both the things you stated :[

scooter good thing you told him because he didn't win LOL! ...didn't win both the things you stated :[



Yeah good thing because as in all those awards the most deserving payers don't always win so there is no need to worry if you don't win. You just need to make sure you continue to play well and finish high at the top tournaments and not fall off the map after winning an award.

May not have won worlds but certainly put on one hell of a show. I think we all knew Nikko was an awesome player, but placing 10th and even holding the top spot for a while in his rookie year definitely proves his future is bright. I'm honestly more impressed with Nikko's performance than Feldberg finally winning his 1st worlds, not to make it sound like I'm taking away from Feldberg because he has paid his dues and truly deserves it.