We are looking for feed back from players on the Diablo-DT's and Hi-flex Diablo's.

I received two Diablo DT's (a 173g and 172g) at a tourney about a little while ago, and took them out to test in a field before one of the rounds. Initially they held a good hyzer line for about 350'. They didn't take much punishment other than that and I thought they were pretty good discs. However, they seem to be following the same track that as the Raging Inferno's that I bought. After a little light testing they now have somehow become very understable to the point that no matter how much hyzer I put on them they immediately flip over and fly off like a super beat Roadrunner. I've checked them and there seems to be no warping of the rim or even any scuffing for that matter.

That being said, the plastic is really grippy and seemed more durable than the Inferno's and I'm still going to get a Hi-flex Diablo from the local disc store just to try it out. I hope this helps.

The Evolution Diablo DT is without a doubt the fastest, farthest driver I have ever thrown. I keep 5 of them in my bag and have several more in my room as backups. I like how once they beat in they start to turn so with the right amount of hyzer I am able to get awesome distance. Before the Diablo DT's I was throwing Wraiths about 330 ft. max, but now I can throw at least 400ft, sometimes 425ft! Defintitely the best driver ever!

I have a few Hi-Flex's but have not thrown them enough to give a review as I simply prefer the EVO Diablo's..

I have two Diablo Dt's both of which right out the box threw amazing. Very stable and long, with a little fade at the end. Needless to say one has been hit by a truck, ran over, and caught a couple trees. I can almost release it straight up and down and it still flips on me. I LOVE IT!

The Hi-Flex I have is a little more overstable than the regular DT's. Still just as long, I can release this one with a little less degree of an angle.

I love em both!

There have been 3 runs of diablo DT so far.
The first run ( 3000) have the text only stamp, the 2nd run (2500) are the hi-flex and the latest run ( which is the most durable = 3000) have the diablo-dude with the Hat, but the HI-flex text is gone. An easy way to tell if you have a 3rd run is the S & C in disc sports on the engraving is missing on the underside of the disc. These start out slightly more overstable than the 1st and break in nicely.

Ok, so I went out to the park today and made sure to bring the Diablo DT's. I think I need to recant on what I said before. They still hold their line, even with a slight headwind. They glide farther than my Wraith when there is a tailwind. I was getting consistent distances to about 300' (it was pretty windy). I seemed to get the best results with a hyzer flip. I will definitely check out the Hi-flex, and I think the ones I have now will keep their spots in my bag.

Which run were the discs with the Dynamic Discs logo? Are the first runs the only ones that are not Hi-flex?

The DD were from the 3rd run which is not high flex, but has the same stamp, minus the words "hi-flex"

i haven't tried the 3rd run, but all of them that i've thrown so far just aren't durable enough. i like the discs when they're new and slightly broken in, but when a disc changes flight every week you just cant keep it in the bag.

the hi-flex felt like a slightly different mold. they don't have nearly the same glide as the first runs and protos. they were very predictable though. still, i don't feel good throwing a disc that is so flexible. just isn't comfortable for me.

if you can make a run exactly like the protos, but more durable, you have a winner. i loved the protos. maybe that's the 3rd run, i don't know.

I was a big fan (and still) of the first run. I REALLY liked that disc. I assume that the Bowling Green Disc was also the first run...

The BG ones are the proto's I believe and they're the only ones I throw. Perfect glide and durability.

Well then those are that one that I really liked. I also had 2 unstamped ones that seemed to be of the same run then. Gateway sent them with an order for us to check out...

yes, those are all protos. the first runs were a little more overstable to start, but beat up to fly a lot like the protos.

Are the first runs as stable as the Hi-Flex??

yes

I had one in my bag and had some amazing drives with it.
But then, as time went on I had some really ugly drives as well. Maybe I just need some more time with it, but it does seem to change rather quickly.
It's out of the bag now so I'm not tempted.
(red prototype stamp)
I want to be a believer again, this disc flew so NASTY when it was new.

I loved the protos. Plastic was ok. I think the best way to descibe them was neutral. Very easy to put on a line and it would hold it. Not bad in slight headwinds. very good in cross and tailwinds. Very long with minimal effort.

The 1st run with the diablo stamps were way tp different. I know there are variations between runs, but this was a big swing. These were very overstable to start with and the glide wasn't there like it was in the protos. They broke in nice, but didn't hold the sweet spot for very long. This is what took them out of my bag.

If another run came out like the protos, I would probably put it back in.

I loved the protos. Plastic was ok. I think the best way to descibe them was neutral. Very easy to put on a line and it would hold it. Not bad in slight headwinds. very good in cross and tailwinds. Very long with minimal effort.

The 1st run with the diablo stamps were way tp different. I know there are variations between runs, but this was a big swing. These were very overstable to start with and the glide wasn't there like it was in the protos. They broke in nice, but didn't hold the sweet spot for very long. This is what took them out of my bag.

If another run came out like the protos, I would probably put it back in.



The 1st runs are my longest disc. Of course they are 166 and 169. Anyway I am bombing a Hiflex right now and I have been getting 2's on a 460ft hole in which the drive must cover 420ft to clear the OB fence

Matt,
how is the Hi-flex holding up?
I havent had one in the bag long enough for them to get beat up as I always seem to give mind to someone to try and they dont ever give it back

Its holding up pretty well. I have to give it a little hyzer now but that is after 3 months of use.

~Gateway Evolution Diablo DT (http://sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1454)
~Gateway Evolution Hi-Flex Diablo DT (http://sunkingdiscs.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=1681)

Diablo DT's are the best drivers on the market. I have two proto's that are slightly understable, five 1st run which is my primary driver, and one hi-flex for a little more stable flight. The proto's broke in a little fast, the 1st run broke in a little slower, and I don't think you can break in the hi-flex. I play here in Montana and have hit rocks and trees at full speed with the hi-flex and the disc just absorbs hits and has great memory. I think all Gateway drivers should be made in hi-flex plastic.

we will take that into consideration for future disc development.
The thing is our high speed drivers have very flat molds that allow for the shrinkage to make the dome, if we used the HI flex plastic, all of the high speed stuff would be even more overstable than they already are.

We will be working on the high flex in the sabres, blazes, elements and Elx.

So how about a hiflex baby blue illusion? (Cause I am really not into the throw 30 degree hyzer flip at 85% and watch it go)

I like the DT for it's ability to stick the landing and not skip off past the pin. I use it for island shots and shots with OB right behind the pin.

Its holding up pretty well. I have to give it a little hyzer now but that is after 3 months of use.



My first Diablo DT is now like a Sidewinder/Roadrunner. I HAVE to hyzer it to get Big D. Some are straight and stable, and others fly with an S curve because they're not as beat up. That's why I carry so many in my bag because I know how each one flies so I can use them on different shots.

we will take that into consideration for future disc development.
The thing is our high speed drivers have very flat molds that allow for the shrinkage to make the dome, if we used the HI flex plastic, all of the high speed stuff would be even more overstable than they already are.

We will be working on the high flex in the sabres, blazes, elements and Elx.



You and I have talked previously about ways to make the element mold slightly more stable. Would a high-flex plastic accomplish this?

I would like to change my original statement.

I haven't thrown a diablo in a few monthes and i have changed my grip and tweeked my form a bit since I had last thrown them.

I went and tossed around the regular production ones. A 168 and a 174. I think the 174 may be a high flex test because its super flexible when compared to my others.

These are very fast and had a nice S to them. Not nearly as overstable as I remember them being. I used to have nose up problems. I was throwing these about the same distance as my teebirds on line drives. These got there much faster.

All in all, much better than I remembered. I'm going to put them in my bag to try them out again.

At first I was having a bit of trouble with them too. I was putting too much power on them and they would hyzer off, so I gradually took off power throwing about 70% and then they were flying! After they started to beat up I could put full power on them with hyzer and now I'm ripping em!

we will take that into consideration for future disc development.
The thing is our high speed drivers have very flat molds that allow for the shrinkage to make the dome, if we used the HI flex plastic, all of the high speed stuff would be even more overstable than they already are.

We will be working on the high flex in the sabres, blazes, elements and Elx.



You and I have talked previously about ways to make the element mold slightly more stable. Would a high-flex plastic accomplish this?



I got some of the "E" Elements that are white with the black Element stamp on them that are PERFECT! they fly beautifully, nice and staight with just a little fade at the end. if you can get another run like these, that would be awsome. i've thrown alot of the different elements and this is the best by far.

TK

we will take that into consideration for future disc development.
The thing is our high speed drivers have very flat molds that allow for the shrinkage to make the dome, if we used the HI flex plastic, all of the high speed stuff would be even more overstable than they already are.

We will be working on the high flex in the sabres, blazes, elements and Elx.



You and I have talked previously about ways to make the element mold slightly more stable. Would a high-flex plastic accomplish this?



I got some of the "E" Elements that are white with the black Element stamp on them that are PERFECT! they fly beautifully, nice and staight with just a little fade at the end. if you can get another run like these, that would be awsome. i've thrown alot of the different elements and this is the best by far.

TK



If you ever get a chance, see if you can aquire some of the hunter orange domey elements that are kinda flexy. Great flyers.

Are the white ones you are talking about domey or flat?

they are domey, and are sweet flyers

TK

oh yea, i have some of the orange ones, that was my favorite, till i got these white ones, they are just perfect!

TK

Huh. That's pretty interesting. Are they as flexy as the orange ones, or are they the stiffer pearly opaque stuff?

No not the pearly, but just pure white, Dave may know more about that run of elements, not sure when the were ran, but they are sweet.

TK

No not the pearly, but just pure white, Dave may know more about that run of elements, not sure when the were ran, but they are sweet.

TK



Dave, speak up! I want to know more about these!

Ok,
I think I know which ones, in fact I just put one in my bag and showed it to Justin today.
They are just about dead stable and can be worked left to right or thrown as an over stable mid range as well.
They basically go where you throw them.
They fly very similar to the orange ones,but they are no where near as flexible.

we do plan on running more flexible mids and long range drivers over the winter, but more flexible usually means flatter and this mean understable in the mids and overstable in the High speed stuff and MONEY in the sabres,
we will just have to see what happens once we get some ran!